Linux-Misc Digest #412, Volume #18               Wed, 30 Dec 98 19:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: Parallel ZIP and RH 5.1 ("J�rgen Exner")
  xwindow on NEC versa LX (Marc  Delarue)
  grep to a tab (Dave Packard)
  Re: Printing Questions (Gary Momarison)
  Re: Infringement of the GPL (Marco Anglesio)
  Turtle Beach Voyetra sound card support? (Brian Newman)
  Cook 2.7 - file construction tool (Peter Miller)
  HELP with RH installation PLEASE  <:( (Giorgio Panizzi)
  libfl.a (linking Mozilla) (Matthias Warkus)
  Pentium Pro vs Pentium II ("Pat Donahue")
  Re: fetchmail? (Paul Griffiths)
  wp8 registration (Sir Awl)
  Re: PATH not working! (Paul Griffiths)
  Help with GCC cross compiler and RH 5.2 (Frederick Byrne)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Evan Carew)
  Re: Printing Questions (Michael Powe)
  Re: how hard is it to setup 2 computer network? (Ed Anderson)
  Re: Can't quite connect (Norman Elliott)
  Re: Problem with Netscape (Ruffian)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (jedi)

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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Parallel ZIP and RH 5.1
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:23:06 -0800

Teo Chun Lip wrote in message <76cse1$1ov$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Anyone knows how to configurate and detect the Parallel Iomega ZIP
>
>drive under Redhat 5.1
>
>I have managed to mount a Win95 partition(hdc1)and able to read its text
>file
>but not Lotus Smartsuite files
>
>My Iomega is attach to lp1(Printer port)
>
>Any idea what sort of command to mount this ZIP
>
>and how is it called?
>
>What is ZIP file system called?
>
>Please reply by e-mail
>as I have too many bookmaark at newsgroup and tends to forget which
>newsgroup I send query to


Are there any issues which are not answered in the "ZIP-Drive" and
"ZIP-Install" Mini-HOWTOs?
You can find them in the usual places, e.g.
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini.

jue
--
J�rgen Exner; microsoft.com, UID: jurgenex
Sorry for this anti-spam inconvenience





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc  Delarue)
Subject: xwindow on NEC versa LX
Date: 30 Dec 1998 18:04:33 GMT

Hello,

I am trying to run Xwindow on a NEC Versa LX laptop computer, under
Debian Linux.
I am supposed to have an SVGA screen (800x600) with a chipset named ATI
Rage-LT Pro.
The only way I can make it (slightly) work is by creating the link
ln -s XF86_SVGA X
in /usr/X11R6/bin
and then configuring by XF86Setup; everything went fine, and I had to choose
SVGA in the card menu; Things start more or less correctly,
but then the file /etc/X11/XF86Config is wrong concerning
the number of lines and columns of the screen, even though I chose
the right option in the menu; it seems it was not retained...
Running xinit, there is a blind region in the screen (in the middle).

I was told that I should use XF86_mach64 since this is the correct one
for ATI cards, plus choose the option Mach64 in the card menu
but if I do this the screen goes blank when I try to run
xinit or startx and I have to reboot the system...

Does anyone has a file XF86Config that works on a Nec Versa LX ?
Or can anyone tell me what to do?

Thanking you for your help,

Marc DELARUE
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Dave Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: grep to a tab
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:36:30 -0800

I have not had any luck getting grep to search only the first column of
a tab delimited database. I have tried grep ^.*\t to no avail - it
doesn't seem to recognize the \t - am I doing something wrong?

Or is there a better way to search just the first column of this
database?




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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing Questions
Date: 30 Dec 1998 11:31:01 -0800

Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Second, I have this setup in my /etc/printcap:
> 
> lp|PostScript|DJet|HPDeskJet694C:\
> :lp=/dev/lp1:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp1:\
> #:if=/usr/local/bin/dj550c-filter:
> 
> I thought that the # in front of the last line would comment it out.

The "\"s make the three lines appear as one to the lpr programs.

I guess that :#: is just ignored.

I notice that the printcap and termcap man pages say nothing
about "#" or comments at all.  I'd call that a man page bug.

I wish I knew an easy way to report man page bugs (I've got
a list of several).  Maybe I'll work on that - RSN.


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From: Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:36:13 GMT

NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:36:13 PDT

Kenneth Crudup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I mean is, how do we know (unless, of course, we *do* :-) that the
> 9th wasn't Just Another Commissioned Work?

Beethoven composed the ode around 1822; there's no lack of documentary
evidence surrounding the events of his life, especially at the end of his
life. 

He accepted several commissions for work during that period, but none, it
seems, for the 9th symphony and his hopes to be appointed to a Court
composership went unrealized; instead, he sold copies of the score to
various court orchestras and the Philharmonic Society, and had the Missa
Solemnis and the 9th symphony, completed around the same time, performed
in concert from which he received some money. 

In the end, he was in worse financial shape upon the completion of the 9th
symphony than at the beginning, having no patron, no court appointment,
and little by way of regular income during that time.

And now, back to Linux.

marco

--
Marco Anglesio                                    Like Captain Idiot 
mpa at the-wire dot com                 in Astounding Science comics
http://www.the-wire.com/~mpa              (The Manchurian Candidate)


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From: Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Turtle Beach Voyetra sound card support?
Date: 30 Dec 1998 13:30:03 -0800

Any luck yet on Linux support for the Turtle Beach Voyetra sound card?  About a
year ago I was told it was "in progress"... :)

====================
Shade and sweet water,
Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.aracnet.com/~bnewman
"Like Kurosawa I make mad films / 'Kay, I don't make films /
 But if I did, they'd have a samurai" -- Barenaked Ladies

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From: Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d,gnu.gcc.announce,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Cook 2.7 - file construction tool
Date: 30 Dec 1998 23:14:34 +0100
Reply-To: Peter Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I am pleased to announce that Cook 2.7 is now available.

The cook program is a tool for constructing files, and maintaining
referential integrity between files.

You are invited to visit
        http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/cook.html
for a more complete description of what Cook is, and access to the
download files.  New features and bug fixes are described in the
cook-2.7.README file.

Regards
Peter Miller   E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/\/\*          WWW:    http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/
Disclaimer:  The views expressed here are personal and do not necessarily
        reflect the view of my employer or the views of my colleagues.


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From: Giorgio Panizzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP with RH installation PLEASE  <:(
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:08:41 +0100


i dont know why but i cannot install neither RH 5.0 or RH 5.1
the problem?

when i the installation program is about to install the various packages
on my hard drive i
receive all sort of error messages
one of these is this:

Oops: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010 : [<0011c147>]
EFLAGS: 00010202
eax: 00000519        ebx: 2d78756e      ecx: 00001000 edx: 00001ebd
esi: 03d7b8dc   edi: 01fe1400        ebp: 00000400     esp: 00ee1e94
ds: 0018    es: 0018    fs: 002b   gs: 002b   ss: 0018
Process runinstall2  ( pid: 6, process nr: 6, stackpage = 00ee1000)
Stack: 00000000    bfffeaa8    01fe1400    00000400    0000000
00000100
00158509    03d7b8dc
           00025000    01fe1000    00000400    00000000    03d7b910
03ec5bf4
03d7b8dc  00000000
           00000000   001f1148    00001000     00000000    00000094
00025000
00000000   01fe8e98
Call Trace: [<00158509>] [<0018800e>] [<0011c7aa>]  [<0012276d>]
[<0011784b>]  [<0010a7f5>]

Code: 39  73  08  75  f0  8b   7c  24  20  39  7b  0c  75  e7  ff  43
14   0f  ba  6b

Install exited abnormally -- recieved signal 11
sending termination signals...done
sending kill signals...done
unmounting filesystems...   /tmp/rhimage
                                        /proc
                                        /mnt/   unmount failed

you may safely reboot your system



Any help would be appreciated
Thanx very much.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: libfl.a (linking Mozilla)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:36:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I hope this is not too off-topic, but after all, I am building Mozilla on
Linux...

I have finally figured out how to make configure detect the NSPR libraries,
and with generous usage of linker options, I even figured out why it won't
work even if I specify paths: /usr/lib/libfl.a contains an undefined
reference to yylex.

Can anybody tell me what this is about, I think libfl is the flex library?

mawa
-- 
Matthias Warkus    |    [EMAIL PROTECTED]    |    Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...

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From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pentium Pro vs Pentium II
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:43:48 -0800

Hello,
I'm running Slackware Linux on Pentium Pro 200's. Will it perform better on
the Pro's, as compared to a >233MhZ P II ?These are single processor, and
I'm concerned that  ?upgrading? to the P II's will gain me nothing.
TIA,
Pat Donahue




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From: Paul Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fetchmail?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:46:02 +0000

Tanner McCarron wrote:
> 
> I can't get mail.  Here is what I see whaen I try to get mail with
> fetchmail.
> 
> [tannerm@earthlink /]$ fetchmail -c -p POP3 mail.earthlink.net
> Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> fetchmail: 4 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [tannerm@earthlink /]$ fetchmail -p POP3 mail.earthlink.net
> Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> fetchmail: 4 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> reading message 1 of 4 (822 bytes) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost
> failed: Connection refused
> fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from mail.earthlink.net
> 
> [tannerm@earthlink /]$
> 
> Any advice?

I had the exact same thing happen to me this morning. It turned out that
sendmail wasnt listening when it was supposed to be. I simply did:

/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd
fetchmail

and everything went peachy. Maybe that'll work in your case.

HTH
-- 
Paul Griffiths

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From: Sir Awl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wp8 registration
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:12:58 +0000

Installed wp8 with only minor problems, then tried linux.corel.com to
register it, and heeeeeeeeey, what ever happened to UK, or Great
Britain, or even England.
It's a mandatory box, choose a country it says, but i think i am going
blind cos i cant find any of the above.
So, interesting question, how do i register the thing?
-- 
Sir Awl

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From: Paul Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: PATH not working!
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:48:17 +0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Ok everyone,
> 
> I have a weird problem. For whatever reason, the PATH that is listed in the
> rc.sysinit is not working! It was working for a long time, and then one day,
> all of a sudden it didn't work. I am not sure what I did to the system because
> I installed a bunch of software. Anyway, this is what SHOULD be listed as a
> Path:
> # Set the path
> PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/scripts
> export PATH
> 
> If I type this in manually in bash, it seems to work, but not automatically
> like it used to. i assume this is because it is being changed somehwere else
> in the startup, but where? How can I check?
> 
> I am somehwat new to this (used to having just one autoexec in DOS), so i need
> some help.

Try:

.bash_profile

in your home directory (presuming you use BASH - there'll be something
similar if you use another shell). That's where I change mine.

HTH
-- 
Paul Griffiths

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From: Frederick Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with GCC cross compiler and RH 5.2
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:06:27 -0500

I have RH 5.2 and downloaded a binary distribution for a gcc
to MIL-STD-1750A cross compiler.  When I try to run it CPP
complains about every line in either the file itself or any
included files.  If I strip it back to a tiny program with
a loop, it complains about a file in the /tmp/ directory
and then proceeds to blow out all the virtual memory.
I tried defining the GCC_EXEC_PREFIX and using the -b
switch but nothing seems to work.  Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated.

-- 
==============================================================
The opinions and ideas expressed here are my own (unless they
make money and then they belong to my employer :-)

        Frederick "Rick" Byrne  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Lockheed Martin Government Electronic Systems

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From: Evan Carew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:22:25 +0000

Tim,

Try this on for size. Bring up a copy of XEmacs, then a copy of Netscape. point
Netscape at something like this news group, go to a thread you would like to add
something meaningful to, then write your message in XEmacs. When you are finished
writing you message in XEmacs, copy the text into ONE of X's copy buffers by using
the mouse to select some text then use the Edit|Copy menu function. Next, go into
Netscape, move around, respond to an article, then start a new one, go to
Edit|Paste in Netscape, and viola, you have pasted text from a nonvolatile buffer
in a two step process. Others can correct me if I'm wrong here but I think other
windowing systems like MS Windows are capable of doing the same (sarcasm).
Seriously tho, I think you will find that most windowing systems are capable of
doing what the average user wants.

> It's a matter of background, I suppose.  I come from a Unix background,
> so find the way X combines two separate function (selecting text and
> copying text) to be ugly.  The problem with doing it that was is that
> there are many situations where you want to select text in order to do
> some operation other than copying.  E.g., you select text and press the
> delete key to delete it.  Why should copying be part of deleting?
>
> The place this is most annoying is when you do a select/copy, then
> switch to the place you want to paste on a different virtual screen, and
> notice you'd like to do some editing before pasting, and you happen to
> select something.  Oops...there goes your copy buffer.
>
> --Tim Smith




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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing Questions
Date: 30 Dec 1998 11:58:19 -0800

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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Michael> Two printing questions.  First, I had to ditch the new
    Michael> 2.2.0-pre1 kernel because I found myself w/o a printer
    Michael> and couldn't figure out what the problem was.  I booted
    Michael> with `parport=auto' on my lilo line and when I checked in
    Michael> /proc/parport, the parallel port seems to be correctly
    Michael> configured.  But ... no printing.  So, I swap kernels
    Michael> back to my original & the printing comes right back.

Doh!  Another problem solved -- I set my startup to 

parport=0x378,7 lp=parport0     #lp=parport1 didn't work though it's
                                 supposed to

changed the printcap to use lp0 and <still> couldn't get it to work
... until I went back over some old records and figured out the
obvious:  I had to symlink /dev/lp to point to /dev/lp0.  !!  Worked
like a charm.

That's the hell of doing these things once a year ... 

Now, if I could just figure out how to stop the printer from spewing
out a page before it starts printing.

mp

8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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- -- 
                             Michael Powe
            [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.trollope.org
                         Portland, Oregon USA

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From: Ed Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: how hard is it to setup 2 computer network?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:41:53 -0500

Go to http://www.troubleshooters.com.  He has an excellent tutorial on setting up a
2 computer network using Red Hat Linux.

lucindrea wrote:

> FYI the pins on the eathernet cable are
> 1&2=transmit
> 3&6=recive ( 4&5 for token ring BTW )
> 1 & 3 < and 4> are - voltage , 2 & 6 < and 5 > are + voltage
> for a crossover just switch the transmits with the receives... as for looking at
> the end and figuring out what's pin 1 and what's pin8 i would suggest looking a
> the doc's that come with the card because i fear if i try to explain it here it
> would only serve to confuse.
> of course if your going cheap none of this would matter because you'll be buying
> the cable as the crimpers aren't cheap... just make shore you get a EATHERNET
> crossover.
>
> Gregory Abbey wrote:
>
> > For networking just two computers . . you can get by with a CAT5
> > Crossover Cable and eliminate the hub . . saving some money!!
> >
> > -----------------message separator------------------
> >
> > On 16 Oct 1998 08:38:30 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh) wrote:
> >
> > >The second time you do it, it'll be easy.  But there's no way it
> > >will be easy the very first time, especially for a newbie.
> > >(I suppose this is probably true for many things in life:)
> > >But it will be worth it if you use computers seriously.
> > >John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > >
> > >Mark Woodward ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > >: Networking two computers can be easy or hard, it is up to you.
> > >: If you got Linux running, you are 99% there. How hard pressed are you for
> > >: money? Ethernet network cards are CHEEP! I have seen them for $19.99.
> > >: All you need is two of them and a cable.
> > >Actually, there are two typical kinds of cables:
> > >   (a) 10Base-T is like a large modular phone cord.  Then you also
> > >       need a little box called a hub (maybe $60 for a cheap one).
> > >       And you need two cables; one from each computer to the hub.
> > >   (b) 10Base-2 is somewhat like a coax cable on a TV.  Then you
> > >       only need one cable between the two computers (no hub).
> > >       But you also need two T-connectors and two terminators,
> > >       one set for each end of the cable.  The connector is needed
> > >       becasue the cable doesn't fit directly on the ethernet card,
> > >       and the terminator must be plugged onto the "empty" connection
> > >      of the T for electrical reasons (_do_not_ forget it).
> > >   If you choose (b), you need a "Combo" card which has both 10Base-T
> > >   and 10Base-2 on it.  I've seen cheap NE2000-compatible cards for
> > >   $29.99 at CompUSA (there are probably cheaper ones somewhere).
> > >   Despite the T-connectors and terminators, I think that's what
> > >   I'd recommend for a newbie and a small home network.
> > >: You could also use a null modem cable and slip or ppp, but, that would not
> > >: be very fast. I have even seen hookups using the printer port.
> > >Right...these options are kludgey and not very functional.
> > >But it may well be what the "guy" you spoke to had in mind when
> > >he discussed networking _two_ computers.  You can run ppp across
> > >two computers' serial ports with a null modem cable (I haven't tried
> > >this but understand that it can be done pretty easily).
> > >That would certainly be the cheapest alternative, and you wouldn't
> > >even have to open the computers.
> > >: There are plenty of HOW-TO docs, piece of cake.
> > >
> > >: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >: > Hi, i have two comptuers running linux and winnt (one is just linux the
> > >: > other is a dual boot deal.  I want to network the two together (use
> > >: > the linux only one as a "ppp-server" or sorts) but a guy (not
> > >: > nessisarily a reliable source) told me that networking two computers
> > >: > was mroe difficult.  I have no idea (being a newbie) if it is or not
> > >: > so i thought i would ask, is it really more difficult to network 2
> > >: > computers (as opposed to more than 2) and if so what does it involve?
> > >: > thank you,
> > >: >  -Gaiko


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From: Norman Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Can't quite connect
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:10:08 +0000

See the good advice below.
Also you can do tail -n 30 /var/log/messages which will show what you have been
sending and what you have been getting back.
HTH
norm

Ed Young wrote:

> Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
> >
> > I just installed Linux and decided to add PPP support. Everything went well
> > and I can even see PPP frames in minicom (a terminal program). But that's
> > about it. I have also tried to use the ppp-on and ppp-on-dialer scripts and
> > after their excution the log file says that "serial connection has been
> > established", but then the next couple of lines say that SIGHUP signal was
> > received and that the connection was terminated. In other words, the
> > connection drops immediately after it has been established. I know that my
> > provider uses PPP. My PPP version is 2.2.0. What maybe the reason?
> > Thanx,
> > Sergei
>
> As I recall, ppp-on-dialer uses a chat script.  Change the invocation to chat to
> include a -v (verbose).  This may give you more insight into the problem.  It
> may be that you are not sending a username and password to your ISP?


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From: Ruffian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with Netscape
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:09:06 +0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> ARGH! I corrected all other problems now...but
> When I try to modify the preferences in Netscape
> eg at POP server, say, I type mail.xxxx.yyy.gg
> where xxxx yyy gg are my ISP required names.
> Netscape pops up a window and says this server is UNKNOWN?
> Anyone have an idea?
> 
> regards
> 
> beh
If you're using 4.07 or later it'll do that if you
try to set it up while offline. Try setting it up
while you're online.

see you
Jan
-- 
reality.sys corrupt; reboot universe [y/n]?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:24:48 -0800

On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:28:24 -0500, Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>jedi wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:06:27 -0500, Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>>
>> >       Fine. Suppose we build a tcsh that uses a global init file from NFS;
>> >what happens if NFS server or the network are down, and the machine has
>> >to be brought up without /export tree?.. No shell, no login... ooops...
>> >       There is a reason to only keep stuff that HAS to be shared, on the NFS
>> >volumes. The rest of little everyday doodads should remain local.
>> 
>>         Hire better staff. A reliable distributed unix enviroment
>>         is certainly quite feasable.
>
>       <sigh> Dude, reliability of your environment won't mean diddly squat
>when the switch dies... What you will then need is ability to operate
>without the network, until the switch is replaced.

        Somehow, my alma mater managed it. You certainly don't
        need to route your entire network through a single point
        of failure.

---
                Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
  
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or         |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out   / | \
as soon as your grip slips.

        In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com

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