Linux-Misc Digest #414, Volume #18 Wed, 30 Dec 98 22:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Applying redhat patches reconfigures kernel? (Mark Bashaw)
Re: execute a script copied from dos filesystem? (zentara)
Re: fetchmail? (zentara)
Re: Ghost / Drive Image functionality under Linux (zentara)
Re: AOL as ISP? (zentara)
Re: WP8 Install FAQ (Peter S. Frouman)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (NF Stevens)
Re: help me choose license ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Unable to Browse Internet with Netscape (zentara)
Re: AOL as ISP? ("Bob Crandell")
Re: hylafax and print to fax (Charles Stroom)
Re: Best Free spreadsheet for Linux? (Peter Potter)
Re: WP8 Install FAQ ("Kerry J. Cox")
Re: Why are mount/umount setuid root? (Jeremy Mathers)
Re: Using Linux for business? (Mark Bashaw)
Re: running xwindow on a NEC Versa LX laptop (Mark Bashaw)
Re: Applying redhat patches reconfigures kernel? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Applying redhat patches reconfigures kernel? (Bill Unruh)
Re: can't connect throug ethernet card (Steve Dunham)
Can't get mt to move tape past first filemark on RH 5.2 i (Dale Coleman)
Re: Complimenting WP8 for Linux (Rod Smith)
Re: grep to a tab (Dave Packard)
Re: Deleting /var/log/messages... (Byron A Jeff)
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From: Mark Bashaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Applying redhat patches reconfigures kernel?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:05:37 -0800
Pete,
The Errata updates would not have modified your kernel. What most likely
happened is that a configuration file has been modfied to work with the new
version of an application (library or executable). The standard mode for
Linux, and RedHat in particular, to do updates is to backup your existing
configuration files to a XXXXXXX.rc.backup or XXXXXX.rc~ file and then load in
the new application or library with the standard rc or other config file. The
easiest thing to do is just recopy the .backup file over the new file. That
should get you back to functioning. What I would do is look at your startup
scripts in /etc/rc.d and make sure that kerneld (the file that provides
loadable module support) is still being loaded and then check to make sure that
the PPP module is also being loaded. Also check your PPP scripts to look for
the .backup files.
Mark Bashaw
Pete wrote:
> Dear all, I have Redhat 5.1.
>
> Yesterday I began downloading and applying all the "errata" patches in
> alphabetical order, but skipped over "k". I got as far as N (which has
> netscape and ncurses patches).
>
> When I rebooted and tried remaking a ppp connection, my system said that
> a ppp connection can't be made because either the ppp module isn't loaded
> or the kernel isn't configured for ppp.
>
> Excuse my french, but this is bullshit. Why should applying errata patches
> reconfigure my kernel? I refuse to believe that Linux patching can be this
> lame. My ppp configuration should've been untouched.
>
> Can someone please either tell me that it's not a matter of reconfiguring
> the kernel (and what to do about it) or that patches really do reconfigure
> the kernel and that I need to recompile it?
>
> Thanks!
> Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Re: execute a script copied from dos filesystem?
Reply-To: ""
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:06:50 GMT
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:42:53 -0600, Mark McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Wrong!!! thanks for playing!!
>\r\n doesn't matter, a carriage return and a newline are _functionally_
>the same thing. Next time you are at a command prompt, type a <ctrl>m
>and you will see that it is the same as just hitting enter.
>
Excuse me for jumping in here, but there are problems with
carriage-return vs. newlines.
I have downloaded alot of perl cgi scripts that were stored
on windows servers, they would all give me errors when trying
to run under linux.
Finally I looked at them closely with the joe editor, and saw
the offending control characters.
I ran them thru a dos2unix converter, and voila, they worked.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Re: fetchmail?
Reply-To: ""
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:06:51 GMT
On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:19:25 -0800, Tanner McCarron
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can't get mail. Here is what I see whaen I try to get mail with
>fetchmail.
>
>[tannerm@earthlink /]$ fetchmail -c -p POP3 mail.earthlink.net
>Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>fetchmail: 4 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[tannerm@earthlink /]$ fetchmail -p POP3 mail.earthlink.net
>Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>fetchmail: 4 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>reading message 1 of 4 (822 bytes) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost
>failed: Connection refused
>fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from mail.earthlink.net
>Any advice?
You probably have a default .fetchmailrc that isn't letting you
do anything. What does the .fetchmailrc in your home directory
look like?
It should be something like:
poll mail.earthlink.net
proto pop3
username tannerm
password $%^^&$
mda "cat >>~mailtest"
keep
fetchall
That will leave all mail on the server, but download copies of them
to a file in your home directory.
Later when you are sure you have it working, you can change
the mda line to use procmail, and send it to an assigned INBOX.
Where you can use pine or whatever to read it.
There are alot of command options you can put after
fetchmail when you run it, to check things, clear things, etc.
Read the OfflineMail-how-to, and look at the original
.fetchmailrc to see all your options.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Re: Ghost / Drive Image functionality under Linux
Reply-To: ""
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:06:44 GMT
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:45:17 +1100, Antonio Milillo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How can I make copies of whole partitions (of any OS, ie bit for bit),
>and then restore them? I believe that dd will read from files, but I
>don't know how to read an entire partition.
>
>The DOS programs Ghost and Drive Image give you this functionality.
Cat2 might do it for you. It will create an image of a drive
as a big file. Then you can mount the file as a loopback
device, then copy off of it.
Maybe a combo of cat2, and dd would do it.
Use cat2 to make the image, and then dd to write it
to a partition.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: AOL as ISP?
Reply-To: ""
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:06:46 GMT
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:43:40 -0500, Troutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In the past, using AOL 3, I have connected to AOL then minimized and run
>Eudora and Netscape to surf the net. That would tell me that they are
>using tcp/ip and it may be possible to run Linux on a home lan behind a
>proxy on the PC running AOL.
>
>Why on earth you would _want_ to do that is beyond me.
Maybe to use those 100 free hours they hand out. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: WP8 Install FAQ
Date: 31 Dec 1998 00:58:11 GMT
On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:09:09 +0000, Kerry J. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Also, good job pointing out the the gz file is really a tar file and that
>renaming it to something *.tar is a much better option than what Corel chose.
Actually, I think it only becomes a tar file if it is automatically
gunzipped by your browser as it is downloading (netscape does this). I
found this out the hard way when I downloaded part of it with netscape
then continued the rest with ftp. The resulting file was, of course,
unusable as the gzipped part was appended to the tar part.
-Peter Frouman | finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key
Zippy says:
Uh-oh!! I forgot to submit to COMPULSORY URINALYSIS!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:59:54 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Zeff) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) wrote:
>
>>For ppp all ISPs have voluminous material telling you how to hook up a
>>Win95 machine. Although it tends to be recipie type stuff, those recipies
>>should be translatable into linux recipies for connecting as well.
>
>Does Linux have Dial-Up Networking[1] or a Network Control Panel in
>which you can install Dial-Up Adapter and TCP/IP[2]? If not, the
>recipies aren't very adapable are they? Earthlink has a Linux
>cheat-sheet and it almost always works. Other ISPs should have just
>as much.
>
>[1]Often called "Dialing-up Network" by newbies.
>[2]TCIP to beginners.
When I set up my Windows 95 connection it took me ages to find
the dial up networking scripting tool which is not accessible from
any of the control panel dialogs that are used to set up the modem
and other settings.
If setting up your connection is any easier in Windows then it is
only because the ISPs have already done the hard work
generating those "cheat-sheets".
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:36:51 GMT
steve mcadams writes:
> I've been participating in a couple of threads about the GPL and Open
> Source and have discovered some things. The most important thing I've
> discovered is that I need some help in deciding how to license the
> software "product" that I'm currently developing.
First you should understand that you as author are not bound by any license
you publish under. Releasing your library under the GPL does not prevent
you from distributing the exact same code under any other license you
choose. Thus companies that want to use your library but do not want to
put their code under the GPL can purchase proprietary licenses from you.
In addition to the GPL, you may want to consider Netscape's MPL
<http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/> and Troll Tech's QPL
<HTTP://www.troll.no/qpl> (the latter is under development).
> I'd appreciate any serious suggestions you may care to make.
Your library could be very useful. Please take the matter of licensing
seriously, and please do not attempt to write your own open source license
without consulting a copyright attorney who knows free software, or at
least asking for help from knowledgeable people such as those on
debia-legal. Every week or so we see another homemade license that
contradicts itself or fails to do what the author intended. Crafting free
software licenses is, unfortunately, damn near as difficult as crafting
free software. And not nearly as much fun.
I suggest that you use the GPL, with a notice to the effect that anyone who
wants to see their patches accepted should grant you a non-exclusive
unlimited license. While it would be possible for someone to fork a
version, there is no reason why anyone would use such a version as long as
you are doing a good job. If you die or go over to the dark side :) or
move to Tibet and take up yak herding, the library will live on.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Re: Unable to Browse Internet with Netscape
Reply-To: ""
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:06:48 GMT
On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:06:31 +1100, "Patrick D Phillips"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am having some trouble trying to get my internet connection working. I
>have been able to connect to my ISP O.K. and I get allocated a TCP address
>but I am unable to use Netscape to do any browsing. I type in an URL and it
>does nothing until timing out. I have looked in the message logs and I see a
>regular message �No link beat on the MII interface, status then 7809 now
>7809.� I am using Red Hat 5.2 and Netscape 4.07 and I have checked that the
>DNS is correct. My ISP does not use a proxy and they are unable to support
>Linux. As I am new to Linux any ideas would be appreciated.
>
Sounds like you don't have dns setup properly
on your machine. That is the addresses of your
nameservers on your isp. You can try to
ftp or http to an absolute address, if you
know one; i.e. http://somenumber.
You need your isp's name in your /etc/resolv.conf
like:
search myisp.com
nameserver 207.xxx.yyy.zzz
nameserver 207.xvf.ert.fgh
or whatever your numbers are.
You might have dns installed on your local machine, and
netscape might be trying to use your non-existent local dns
to resolve names. So uninstall the dns package, or turn it off.
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From: "Bob Crandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AOL as ISP?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Date: 30 Dec 1998 18:02:12 -0800
I called them to see if I could setup a little office using them as an ISP
and using WinProxy as the dialer. They said NO. No way. Not possible.
Forget it. Ain't gonna happen. I changed the office to CompuServe.
zentara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:43:40 -0500, Troutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >In the past, using AOL 3, I have connected to AOL then minimized and run
> >Eudora and Netscape to surf the net. That would tell me that they are
> >using tcp/ip and it may be possible to run Linux on a home lan behind a
> >proxy on the PC running AOL.
> >
> >Why on earth you would _want_ to do that is beyond me.
>
> Maybe to use those 100 free hours they hand out. :-)
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Stroom)
Subject: Re: hylafax and print to fax
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:13:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Dec 1998 21:39:22 GMT, John Meissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>
>In this paradigm it's really difficult to handle fax-type problems, like
>phone numbers. Since Postscript is ASCII, one approach is to embed the
>information in the Postscript file and have the print filter scan for
>certain keywords. The simplest way is to simply print to a Postscript
>file and then manually run a command to fax it. Personally, I don't
>understand why mature adults are so afraid of this. But then, I
>knew a contractor who literally didn't understand the difference
>between Windows95 and M$ Word.....when he turned on his laptop he
>started Word, and the concept of doing something OUTSIDE the Word
>environment was totally foreign. But that's not the kind of person who
>should be using Linux.
>
To set up a "fax server" printer on linux, see: "Linux simple fax
printer server mini-HOWTO (faxsrv-mini-HOWTO)", by
Erez Strauss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (part of RH5.1).
Once it works, you simply send a postscript file to the
'lpr -Pfax -J telephone_number'. It kind of works for me, although I
have some problems with file permissions.
But it certainly passes the telephone number to lpd.
--
Charles Stroom
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
url: http://www.stroom-schreurs.demon.nl/
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From: Peter Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Free spreadsheet for Linux?
Date: 30 Dec 1998 17:47:33 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Evans) writes:
> I'm looking for a simple (easy to use) spreadsheet program for occasional
> use, i.e. StarOffice, Applixware are overkill. Only need basic formulas
> such as sum a column, compare 2 cells, return larger/smaller, etc.
> Most important, I want it to be simple to use since I won't be using
> it everyday, some of the scheme spreadsheet formulas don't seem intuative
> to me.
There's a list in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/science-and-math.html
Check Christopher Browne's list linked there too.
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From: "Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WP8 Install FAQ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:09:09 +0000
It looks like a very good FAQ, but be sure to mention that you should run the
./Runme script as someone other than root. Root installs a diretory into the
/tmp file and that poses a serious security hole. All symbolic links follow.
Check out the latest posting on this security issue at http://lwn.net.
Also, good job pointing out the the gz file is really a tar file and that
renaming it to something *.tar is a much better option than what Corel chose.
KJ
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IBMackey wrote:
> WP8 Install Tips and FAQ For Piecemeal Download (7 install files)
> ---------------------------------------
> A lousy install by corel but an excellent program. Here's a
> straightforward approach to installing the program. Reasons follow
> after.
>
> 1. Make empty directory.
>
> 2. Copy all downloaded files GUI0x.GZ to directory as gui0x (small
> letters, no extension).
>
> 3. Untar gui00 only, (tar -xvf gui00).
>
> 4. run ./Runme. When it asked have you unzips and untarred all
> programs, answer y for yes.
>
> 5. Program will then install.
>
> 6. Choose another directory to house program (something like
> /usr/local/wp).
>
> 7. If you're using magicfilter and ghostscript, choose a postscript
> printer like NEC colormate P.S. Then when wordperfect is up and
> running, go to print, select and edit the driver. Edit the destination
> where Word perfect reads your printcap. Pick either lp, or whatever,
> for your lpr options.
>
> 8. The executable file will be in "directory/wpbin/xwp." (E.g. run
> wordperfect by entering /usr/local/wp/wpbin/xwp & ).
>
> 9. Delete your first "empty" (not so empty) directory.
>
> ------------------
>
> Explanation, apparently corel got two people working on the install.
> (1) The GUI0x.GZ files are in reality tar files. (2) The GUI00.GZ should be
> called install.tar and distributed with a readme that says just
> untar that file, it will untar and place in the proper directories
> the other tar files. (3) Since unix recognizes upper and lowercase
> filenames as different, the files should be lowercase so that Runme
> will recognize them (or rewrite runme and move files).
>
> Hope this clarifies things. Any problems, modify this and make sure
> it gets in the web.
>
> Special thanks to Shayget or Seth McQuale, Phillip Deackes for their
> contributions to the web.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Why are mount/umount setuid root?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:46:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Timothy J. Lee <see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome> wrote:
>On a Red Hat 5.1 Linux installation, why are /bin/mount and
>/bin/umount setuid root?
So that users can mount and umount things...
So, there must be something more to your question.
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From: Mark Bashaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Using Linux for business?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:31:06 -0800
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
> I'm writing an article on Linux, focusing on how people are using it
> in general business settings (not university or ISP settings). More
> people should know about this.
Reid,
There is a website that has over 300 links to businesses using Linux and
what they use it for. Quite a lot of them are not ISPs. The site is:
http://www.m-tech.ab.ca/linux-biz
Good luck on your project.
Mark Bashaw
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Bashaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: running xwindow on a NEC Versa LX laptop
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:27:10 -0800
Marc Delarue wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to run Xwindow on a NEC Versa LX laptop computer, under
> Debian Linux.
Marc,
Check out the Linux on Laptops page at Linux.org:
http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html
It has links to three different NEC laptop pages and specifically, running X on
laptops that may give you the info you need. I'm using an older VersaM and the
Versa page on Linux.org helped quite a bit.
Mark Bashaw
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Applying redhat patches reconfigures kernel?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:54:44 GMT
Pete writes:
> When I rebooted and tried remaking a ppp connection, my system said that
> a ppp connection can't be made because either the ppp module isn't loaded
> or the kernel isn't configured for ppp Excuse my french, but this is
> bullshit. Why should applying errata patches reconfigure my kernel? I
> refuse to believe that Linux patching can be this lame.
Your kernel is unchanged. One of the patches changed something in your ppp
configuration that is confusing pppd. This is pppd's favorite error
message: whenever it can't access something it jumps to the conclusion that
it's because the kernel doesn't support ppp.
> Can someone please either tell me that it's not a matter of reconfiguring
> the kernel (and what to do about it)...
The simplest solution is probably to just reconfigure ppp. I also would
file a bug report against ppp.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Applying redhat patches reconfigures kernel?
Date: 31 Dec 1998 02:06:09 GMT
In <76e713$6lf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete) writes:
>When I rebooted and tried remaking a ppp connection, my system said that
>a ppp connection can't be made because either the ppp module isn't loaded
>or the kernel isn't configured for ppp.
That is the generic error message when the module is not loaded. Make
sure that kerneld is running. (ps aux|grep kerneld).
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From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can't connect throug ethernet card
Date: 30 Dec 1998 17:55:33 -0500
Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't think pam lets root log in remotely. You have to login as
> a user, then su to root to do any work...
PAM will allow root to log in remotely if you comment out the
"securetty" lines in the /etc/pam.d/* files.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Coleman)
Subject: Can't get mt to move tape past first filemark on RH 5.2 i
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:01:29 GMT
Hi all, I'm trying to recover from a HD failure on my Linux RH Intel
box but I can't get mt to move the tape past the first file mark.
I was running RH 5.0 and after the HD died decided to upgrade to RH
5.2 The tape I want to restore from was working ok under RH 5.0
using the command:
mt -f /dev/nftape fsf 0
tar xvf /dev/ftape
would copy the tar file from the first file mark on the tape then
running:
mt -f /dev/nftape fsf 1
tar xvf /dev/ftape
would copy the next.
When I try the same command now with RH 5.2 the first tar file copies
ok but after running the second mt command I get a repeat of the
first. Another words I can't get mt to move the tape past the first
tar file.
Tried another tape that was working ok before and same result now, can
only copy the first tar file on the tape.
Anybody else using mt and ftape with RH 5.2? Any suggestions?
Thanks for any help,
Dale
RH 5.2 Apollo, Kernel 2.0.36, ftape 2.08
and output of mt -v is:
mt-st v.0.5
Conner Tape Store 800 using floppy controler and 5122 tapes.
--
Dale Coleman (kf4sir)
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.gate.net/~kf4sir/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Complimenting WP8 for Linux
Date: 30 Dec 1998 23:03:08 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Howdy all,
> I just wanted to share with you all some of my observations about the
> latest release of WP8 for Linux.
...
> 1) Speed - WP8 boots up EXTREMELY quick, it also saves the docs in no
> time at all
Compared to WP8 for Windows, I find that WP8 for Linux is pretty competent
speed-wise, but when doing work with text boxes, WP8 for Linux becomes dog
slow by comparison. This would make it hard to do certain types of
layouts (newsletters, say, or the CD jewel case templates I do with text
boxes). As long as it's straight text, though, WP for Linux is fine
speed-wise. (Oh, I've got a 233MHz AMD K6 with 64MB of RAM, running
1024x768 at 16 bits on a Matrox Millennium.)
> 2) File size - I cut and pasted some files over from SO5 and saved them
> in the exact same format. Without fail, the WP8 docs are a quarter the
> size of the SO5 docs
SO does produce some pretty huge files. I don't know if it's the same
cause, but I know that MS Word can produce big files if its "fast save"
feature is enabled (as it is by default). This speeds up document save
times by letting the program save CHANGES to the document rather than the
entire document itself. This also has the disadvantage of making imports
into other word processors more difficult. So if you routinely use MS
Word and want to be able to import those documents, turn OFF the fast save
feature.
> 5) Importing docs - WP8 can import WP AND MSWord docs. SO5 can only
> import MSWord and SO docs. Same goes for exporting.
WP's got some pretty good import/export features. I also like the fact
that it can import (but I don't recall if it can export) Applix Words
files, too. FWIW, I'd rate WP best, Applix second, and SO last in terms
of import/export filter selection. I'm not so sure about quality; that
seems to vary a lot with the documents in question.
> What do you all think? Am I out in left field on this one, or are
> others rejoicing like myself to finally be able to use WP again in a
> Linux environment.
I've had a love/hate relationship with WordPerfect for years on a variety
of platforms. The features have always been very good, but the
programmers have always managed to produce either a reasonably stable
program or a holy terror of bugs. WP 7 for Linux was closer to the
former than the latter, though it did crash rather too often for my
taste. WP 8 for Linux is much better, I'm pleased to say. The download
version is missing a number of features which are important to certain
types of writing (e.g., a font installer, an equation editor, etc.), but
the retail version is supposed to be $50 or so, IIRC, which IMHO isn't too
much to ask.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the digit and following word from my address to mail me
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From: Dave Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: grep to a tab
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:05:24 -0800
Actually what I was trying to do was match ^.*22.*\t (change 22 to whatever you
want). The first column of the database is the product number and I want to be
able to find any product with "22" in the product number, but not in the
description, price, etc.
My grep won't find any lines if I do \t though, although I know there are tabs in
the file. It also won't find [:space:] either... Any ideas?
brian moore wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:36:30 -0800,
> Dave Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have not had any luck getting grep to search only the first column of
> > a tab delimited database. I have tried grep ^.*\t to no avail - it
> > doesn't seem to recognize the \t - am I doing something wrong?
>
> Well, it's unclear why you'd want to match '^.*\t', since that's will
> match any line with a tab in it.
>
> > Or is there a better way to search just the first column of this
> > database?
>
> grep '^bob\t' filename
>
> It's not so much the \t: that works fine and dandy with my grep: it's
> the regex you're using:
>
> ^ match at start of line
> .* 0 or more bytes
> \t followed by a tab
>
> That will match any and every line with a tab, exactly like grepping for
> \t itself, but slower.
>
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Deleting /var/log/messages...
Date: 30 Dec 1998 21:18:22 -0500
In article <76dpb6$20d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-
-> I made the mistake of rm ing the thing once. Not pretty. Fortunatly
-> there was a Unix guru handy to help me out. He told me the proper way
-> was to truncate the file to zero length. Now if I just knew how to do
-> that...
->
-
-Pardon my ignorance, but why is it a bad idea to simply rm
-the file? I do it all the time on my slackware box, and
-have never had any problems. What distro do you use, and
-what were the problems associated with rm'ing the log
-file?
Because it doesn't delete the file right then and there. The daemon is
running and it has the file open. When the unlink system call (which rm uses)
is executed, the kernel notes that the file is currently in use, it removes
the entry from the directory, but the actual file isn't deleted until all
programs using it quit. Daemons usually don't quit until the machine is
rebooted. So while the file disappears, it's contents are still sucking up
disk space in the limbo between asking for deletion and actual deletion.
Another side effect is that since the daemon is still writing to the old file
that creating a new file of the same name doesn't cause the daemon to switch
to the new file.
So in short it defeats the purpose of what you're trying to do which is get
rid of the contents of the log file.
Truncating it actually ditches the contents of the existing file without
deleting it. So the daemon will continue to write to the file and the old
contents are discarded.
Hope this helps,
BAJ
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