Linux-Misc Digest #414, Volume #25 Fri, 11 Aug 00 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: BIOS calls (Dances With Crows)
Re: BIOS calls (Lew Pitcher)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
Re: Opinions on twm and fvwm? (Stephen Hui)
Linux on a comp from mdg.ca (Fred Nastos)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Robert Krawitz)
How could i make delay ("Sasha")
Re: Quick questions : installing RPM's in X ("Peter T. Breuer")
Multiplayer Quake on 1 machine (Jody)
Re: Opinions on twm and fvwm? (Ed Hurst)
Re: Multiplayer Quake on 1 machine (Florian Schmidt)
Re: very slow, any ideas? (Robert Wiegand)
Re: Problem with dosemu (Martin Herrmann)
Re: Problem with dosemu (Martin Herrmann)
Re: Quick questions : installing RPM's in X ("Michael")
Re: very slow, any ideas? (Patrick M Geahan)
Re: BIOS calls (Grant Edwards)
Re: Off topic question about colors (Grant Edwards)
Re: How to restore IP table on startup? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Allowing all users to access and write to a partition ("Charles Sullivan")
STTY and ERASE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Couldn't open Netscape (Jeff Peterson)
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Kevin Shelly)
linux ISP
Re: ht://Dig problems (Stephen Forbes)
Anyone have info on how to setup a dial-in server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: BIOS calls
Date: 11 Aug 2000 13:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:31:36 GMT, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:34:38 +0200, Werner
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Can anybody give me a pointer to a _complete_ list of BIOS functions
>>called by Linux ?
>
>Sure.
>There are no BIOS functions called by Linux
What Lew said is mostly correct--when the kernel has loaded and switched
itself into protected mode, no BIOS calls are made. However, LILO and
LOADLIN must use BIOS calls to get the kernel from disk into memory, and
the kernel does use a BIOS call to get the amount of available RAM. I
can't tell exactly what you want, but if you check in
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/ , you will see many things in the .s
files. It might be worthwhile to look in the LILO source too. HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Tyranny is always better organized
http://www.brainbench.com / than freedom.
=============================/ ==Charles Peguy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: BIOS calls
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:07 GMT
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:31:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew
Pitcher) wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:34:38 +0200, Werner =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=FChnert?=
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Can anybody give me a pointer to a _complete_ list of BIOS functions
>>called by Linux ?
>
>Sure.
>
>There are no BIOS functions called by Linux
Oops, not entirely true.
There seem to be some BIOS calls used on the i386 architecture to
manipulate the PCI BIOS.
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:55:45 GMT
Andrew Halliwell writes to the blowfish:
> Are you thick, or what?
You can only play a fish for so long before you have to either gaff it or
release it. He's given some good sport, but he's getting tired now. Let's
let him go.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: Stephen Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Opinions on twm and fvwm?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:54:58 -0500
IMHO, I find that fvwm is more "flexible" than twm. I hadn't used twm
very extensively, nor did I try to customize it, but it *felt* like to
me that the features that made fvwm a more pleasant experience were not
in twm.
Of course, I spent my formative UNIX/Linux years in fvwm, using twm only
when absolutely necessary. I have two Linux boxes at home, and I use
KDE on my K6-2/300 and fvwm on my 486/100. fvwm (and twm) are certainly
faster and smaller than KDE. Between fvwm and twm, I couldn't really
tell the difference in performance, even on my 486.
I never really used fvwm2, so I can't say much on it.
Stephen.
Chew GH wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been using twm for some time and I recently read two contradicting
> views. I would expect twm, the no-frill window manager, to function faster
> and use up less memory when compared with fvwm. A book on X windows agreed
> with this view. However, the man pages of fvwm says that it is a rewrite
> (correct me if I'm wrong) of twm and uses one-third the amount of memory twm
> uses. Obviously added modules would slow down fvwm, but considering the
> same bare basics configuration (menu that pops up when the background is
> clicked + xterm window + login window), is the difference significant? I
> haven't played around with fvwm enough to conclude. Would users of twm and
> fvwm (also fvwm2) care to comment?
--
Stephen Hui, ARL:UT, Austin, Texas
Computer Terms: Programmer - A red-eyed, mumbling mammal
capable of conversing with inanimate objects.
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From: Fred Nastos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on a comp from mdg.ca
Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:06:15 GMT
This is probably for canadian readers only. Has anyone got linux
running on a comp from mdg.ca? They seem to sell them without an
operating system, so seem ideal for getting linux. My concern is
with the components, and whether everything is compatible. I
contacted them, and they seemed pretty shocked that I wanted
linux on my system.
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From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 11 Aug 2000 10:19:33 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
> I don't see any worms. Of the Morris variety or otherwise...
I guess we've just discovered that worms can infect a blowfish, after
all.
--
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
"Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
--Eric Crampton
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From: "Sasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How could i make delay
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:27:17 GMT
Hi
I am a student doing TCP/IP programming. I don�t know how could I add some
delay between each packets leaving my computer. I want to write a program
which is able to test network protocol when we have delay in communication
line.
Should I make delay by making a new interface to the network driver and
increasing the IP queue or network output queue to keep the packet for some
mili second and transmit it later ?
Or this is not the way to do it. Please help if you know how to do it.
Thanks in advance Sasha
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Quick questions : installing RPM's in X
Date: 11 Aug 2000 14:16:49 GMT
Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The suggestion you made makes it sound like all users of X will have
: root access...or am I missing something? If it does give everyone root
You are missing most everything, by the sound of it.
: In Win 2k, if you do something that requires an administrator
: priviledge, you get prompted for the administrator password. You enter
: it and continue.
: I believe SCO has the same feature in the UnixWare gui.
: I thought Redhat 6.2 would have that functionality in their gui (never
Presumably gnome comes with a root window that you can login to. I know
kde does.
: mentioned here that it is a security risk to do things as root in X . I
Well, not _much_ more than from the command line. I think they meant
that it's a risk to run an X session as root. Yes, that's silly and a
no-no, simply becuase it implies running as root, which is silly and a
no-no.
: like in the command line, suing in for a minute should be okay.
Use sudo. Don't su (which is not as bad as logging in as root, but
still).
: Why is it a security risk in the gui? Would it be difficult to program
Because the gui is network transparant. You may actually be running
a term on a remote machine when you choose to su to root! And a whole
lot more reason besides. Think about where the X protocol packets go,
and where they might be visible.
Peter
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From: Jody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Multiplayer Quake on 1 machine
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:29:53 GMT
Does anyone know if this is possible. I'd like to know if anyone has run a
multiplayer game one one machine before (running linux). I mean one
machine,two mice,two monitors,two keyboards. Who has figured this one out?
Jody
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From: Ed Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Opinions on twm and fvwm?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:41:35 -0500
Chew GH wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been using twm for some time and I recently read two contradicting
> views. I would expect twm, the no-frill window manager, to function faster
> and use up less memory when compared with fvwm. A book on X windows agreed
> with this view. However, the man pages of fvwm says that it is a rewrite
> (correct me if I'm wrong) of twm and uses one-third the amount of memory twm
> uses. Obviously added modules would slow down fvwm, but considering the
> same bare basics configuration (menu that pops up when the background is
> clicked + xterm window + login window), is the difference significant? I
> haven't played around with fvwm enough to conclude. Would users of twm and
> fvwm (also fvwm2) care to comment?
If you are using older hardware or running on reduced memory, then it
makes a difference. If you have anything faster than 133mhz with more
than 64MB RAM, you won't be able to tell the difference in speed. Plus,
you will have the advantage of Fvwm's added controls for comfort.
Ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Florian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Multiplayer Quake on 1 machine
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:07:20 GMT
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:29:53 GMT, Jody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if this is possible. I'd like to know if anyone has run a
>multiplayer game one one machine before (running linux). I mean one
>machine,two mice,two monitors,two keyboards. Who has figured this one out?
>Jody
i never tried that. but for the two monitors u could possibly start
two xservers. u need, of course, two graphicscards for that. i do not
know, if linux can handle more than one keyboard (though i assume it
can). two mice should not be aproblem either (tell each xserver, which
device to use).. then log on as different users on the machine, and
everyone starts his game. one is the server and the other connects to
localhost... but, like i said, i've never tried this..
--
Florian Schmidt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: very slow, any ideas?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:32:22 -0500
"David M. Cook" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:31:17 GMT, Bart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I just loaded Mandrake 7.1 on a desktop with the following config:
> >200 pentium/32 megs ram.
>
> You need more RAM.
Run the "top" command to see if you are out of RAM and using swap.
You can also see which programs are using the most processor time.
--
Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Martin Herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with dosemu
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:06:46 +0200
"Prasanth A. Kumar" schrieb:
>
>
> Did you put a bootable dos floppy in the drive? Dosemu create a
> virtual system on which the dos is run and you need to provide this
> yourself. If you don't have one, look into the one called FreeDos.
Yes, I forgot to mention. There was a diskette containing Windows 98
(created with format /s) in the drive.
It also does recognize the OS: "System type is WIN95." (see original
posting)
cya,
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://martin.herrmann.home.pages.de
ICQ: 15480366
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From: Martin Herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with dosemu
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:09:36 +0200
> Unlike Windows, DOS can't live on virtual directories, so dosemu has
> to provide it whole virtual disks. Seems the original poster didn't
> have that or it isn't defined in dosemu.conf .
Well, I might have got some of the terms wrong...in fact, that
setup-bootdir program (script?) is supposed to create such a directory
for dosemu...but it crashes without creating it.
What is that you think I should define in dosemu.conf?
cya,
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://martin.herrmann.home.pages.de
ICQ: 15480366
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From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Quick questions : installing RPM's in X
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:01:23 -0400
Peter T. Breuer wrote in message <8n11sh$jc2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: The suggestion you made makes it sound like all users of X will have
>: root access...or am I missing something? If it does give everyone
root
>
>You are missing most everything, by the sound of it.
>
I'll look into it further.
{snip}
>
>Presumably gnome comes with a root window that you can login to. I know
>kde does.
Yes, but that is Xterm (as far as I know), which is command line.
>
{snip}
>
>: Why is it a security risk in the gui? Would it be difficult to
program
>
>Because the gui is network transparant. You may actually be running
>a term on a remote machine when you choose to su to root! And a whole
>lot more reason besides. Think about where the X protocol packets go,
>and where they might be visible.
>
>Peter
Okay..thanks for the insight.
Michael
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From: Patrick M Geahan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: very slow, any ideas?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:14:09 GMT
David M. Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000
23:31:17 GMT, Bart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I just loaded Mandrake 7.1 on a desktop with the following config:
>>200 pentium/32 megs ram.
> You need more RAM.
Need? No. Could use? yes.
His performance is not standard for a P200 with 32MB of RAM. I run one,
and his performance is WAY below mine. Logically, throwing more RAM at it
probably won't solve the problem.
Unless his problem is lack of swap. I forget how much swap I have
exactly, but it's over 128MB.
Barring that, you might check to see where your bottlenecks are.
--
=======Patrick M [EMAIL PROTECTED]=======ICQ:3784715======
Quote of the Week: "I can't believe I barfed in Harrison Ford's
helicopter" - hiker rescued by actor Harrison Ford in Wyoming.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: BIOS calls
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:22:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:34:38 +0200, Werner =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=FChnert?=
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Can anybody give me a pointer to a _complete_ list of BIOS functions
>>called by Linux ?
>
>Sure.
>
>There are no BIOS functions called by Linux
Except for the ones called by Linux.
Like calls to PCI BIOS routines.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm meditating on
at the FORMALDEHYDE and the
visi.com ASBESTOS leaking into my
PERSONAL SPACE!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Off topic question about colors
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:25:59 GMT
>What's smug about them? As far as I know SAT is used as an
>entrance test for all US students.
Nope. You can take ACT instead of SAT if you want (AFAIK, most
Universities will accept either). Some schools don't require
either one if you're not fresh out of high school.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I feel like a wet
at parking meter on Darvon!
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to restore IP table on startup?
Date: 11 Aug 2000 15:37:03 GMT
Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> /etc/sysconfig/static-routes is the file.
> each line is:
> device args
> where:
> /sbin/route add -$args $device
> makes sense (since that is what /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-routes
> does).
Thanks Robert; can you give me an example of a formatted line? I'm not that
knowledgeable on the format of these scripts. My 'route add' looks like this
for example:
route add -host ivan dev eth0
John Meshkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Allowing all users to access and write to a partition
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:40:51 GMT
Stuart D. Gathman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chew GH wrote:
> >
> > I am running RH6.1 and win98 on my computer. I have set aside a FAT32
> > partition (/dev/hda9) for files that can be accessed and modified by all
> > users and mounted it at boot time under /mnt/pub with this line in
fstab:
> >
> > /dev/hda9 /mnt/pub vfat defaults,user 0 0
> >
> > However, not all users are able to create files in that directory other
than
> > root. Chmod 777 /mnt/pub only changes the permissions of that directory
when
> > it's unmounted, but not when it is mounted already. It is troublesome,
as a
> > normal user, to unmount /dev/hda9 and mount it again so that files can
be
> > written. How do I allow writing of files to /mnt/pub for all users at
the
> > same time?
>
> If you're really desperate, you could try reading the man page (man
> mount), noting especially the section "Mount options for fat" (which
> also apply to vfat). But since you're probably just feeling lazy, you
> could think to yourself, "Hmmm, FAT filesystems have no user or group id
> on the files. The only way a FAT driver could possibly work is to use
> the same uid and gid for all files. Apparently, it defaults to having
> all files owned by uid=gid=0. It would be really handy if there was an
> option to change the default. If there was such an option, what would
> the author call it? In fact, wouldn't it be neat if there was an option
> to set the default umask for the FAT files as well?"
It seems simple enough to set the value of umask for the VFAT entries in
file /etc/fstab, and the SysAdmin then makes a conscious decision as to
who gets access. Why would any other scheme be "neater"?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: STTY and ERASE
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:35:17 GMT
I work on both Solaris and Linux servers and I use VT100 as my terminal
type to connect. Yet on linux stty erase defaults to ^? but on Solaris
it defaults to ^H, what gives?
Isn't VT100 supposed to be a standard? How do I change default settings
of stty (terminfo or whatever) ? I don't want to put stty lines into my
startup files, I want to change the default; how do I do that?
What is the correct behavior: ^? or ^H ? As I understand, the VT100
(some 70's keyboard, as I get it) had a delete key above enter key. But
who cares, today we have backspace key there. It seems more and more
logical that Sun has it right with Backspace key returning Backspace
signal (^H). Why is linux returning a DELETE (^?) signal when the key is
a backspace key ??? How can I fix the core of the problem (make sure
that on bootup the erase is set to ^H). I don't want to put this into
.tcshrc or .inputrc, or whatever other madness people use to "work
around" this problem.
Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Jeff Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Couldn't open Netscape
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:37:15 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"ywk@SuSE" wrote:
> I am running SuSE 6.4 with netscape 4.72. The problem is Netscape
> couldnot pop up on all my users' desktop. I have checked the settings,
> nothing wrong! Just SuSE keeps writing a lock file to .netscape
> directory that block the initialization of the browser, why?
> there is no problem on root. anything i can do about it please?
You may have to set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include the netscape
libraries. Also, set your MOZILLA_HOME to point to the netscape
directory.
This should work. I have the same problem with a couple of accounts on
my home computer.
Jeff Peterson
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From: Kevin Shelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:44:50 -0400
All the OS/360 stuff is still there - JCL, TSO, etc., but there is also
Unix System Services that you can logon to and get a real Unix shell
with real Unix commands, hierarchical file system, etc. All the system
calls required for Unix 95 branding are there with their c header
files. Both traditional datasets and Unix style files are accessible
from the shell and from regular JCL. It's pretty neat.
Ed Reppert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lew Pitcher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ed Reppert wrote:
> > >
> > > OS/390 is Unix?! When did that happen?
> >
> > IIRC, 1998 or so.
>
> [snip]
>
> Ah. After my time. :-) When the US Navy sent me over to England to run
> the Royal Navy's Personnel DBMS under OS/390, I was only mildly
> surprised to discover things hadn't really changed a whole lot (at
> least, not on the OS side) since OS/360 back in the early 70s.
> >
> > Anyway, IBM markets Apache for OS/390, with (IIRC) enhancements
> > rebranded as "WebSphere". Talk about scalability ;-)
>
> Yeah. Sheesh. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: linux ISP
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:56:28 GMT
Hello.
Does there exist a Linux ISP? I did search for it in excite, yahoo, and
several others, but found nothing useful. All I get are sites that tell
me how to connect. But I need to know what number to dial.
--
==============
siemel b naran
==============
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Subject: Re: ht://Dig problems
From: Stephen Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,uk.comp.os.linux
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:56:07 -0700
Assuming that the content of the different web sites is
contained in different filesystems, all that is needed for a
quick solution is to twweak your htdig configuration file. In
the directory where htdig is installed, there is a conf dir, in
which is htdig.conf. Change the line that starts exclude_urls:
to include the filesystems with the content you do not want the
search engine to know about, remove your index database in the
db directory (db.docdb, db.wordlist etc..) and reindex your site.
Any probs drop me a mail.
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Anyone have info on how to setup a dial-in server
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:50:10 GMT
Does anyone know where I can find documents on how to setup a dial-in
server on Redhat 6.2
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