Linux-Misc Digest #424, Volume #18 Thu, 31 Dec 98 22:13:08 EST
Contents:
Soundcard Busy Redhat 5.2 (Arno Bats)
Re: How To Slow Down System Clock (Gary Momarison)
Re: RH 5.1: Colours, Shutdown ("R.A. Wilson")
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. ("Patrick A. Bryan")
Re: identd (brian moore)
Compaq 5170 and lan (Joel Lefebvre)
Soundcard Busy Redhat 5.2 (Arno Bats)
Re: Problem with Netscape (Ruffian)
Re: Switching from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian ("Dave Nelson")
Re: How To Slow Down System Clock ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does ESS sound chip on laptop works on RedHat5.2? (Taso Hatzi)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Darin Johnson)
Real Player/Netscape problem (Juhani Vanhala)
Re: Linux telephone/talk software? (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: Embarrassingly dumb questio (Charles Mosher)
Re: parport/ppa problem with 2.2.0pre1 (Griffin Caprio)
Re: I am a Unix convert (Earl Dombroski)
Re: Partitioning - NT WON'T BOOT! ("Paul Riemerman")
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Marc)
Allman's Vacation program for Linux (Damon K. Haley)
Re: - Help is Linux Y2K Complient ?? - (Sean Yamamoto)
Re: Pussy shot from behind 1232 (Vance)
Re: Word perfect newbie question (Bill Unruh)
Re: help me choose license ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Arno Bats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Soundcard Busy Redhat 5.2
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:14:03 +0100
Hey!
When I try to setup my soundcard in Redhat 5.2 i get an error message
that the module is busy. Help me out man.
Greetings,
Arno Bats.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How To Slow Down System Clock
Date: 31 Dec 1998 17:55:24 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eddie Atherton) writes:
> How can I either find out why my System clock is gaining, or teach it
> to keep accurate time.
Just lousy hardware, I guess.
There's a bunch of clock info in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/clock.html
You can get software that estimates the clock drift characteristics
and makes corrections for them. The OS clock time value and drift
rate value (a kernel thing) and the HW clock time are adjusted
occasionally, based on manual, local net, or Internet updates.
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From: "R.A. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 5.1: Colours, Shutdown
Date: 31 Dec 1998 18:05:54 PST
> I had SUSE Linux before, and there, the console is "coloured", meaning
> that a ls would give you all different file types in colours - that's
> useful esp. for dirs. I did find a file called DIR_COLORS in the /etc
> folder that looks fine, but still... What do I have to do to get those
> colours?
>
==========================================================================
USING DIR_COLORS IN REDHAT.....
Copy the /etc/DIR_COLORS to your home directory as .dir_colors
and modify it to the colors you prefer.
In your "~/.bashrc" set an alias:
alias ls='ls --color'
alias lv='ls --color -la'
Then run the following command from the prompt:
dircolors -b ~/.dir_colors >> ~/.bashrc
This will export the Bourne shell compatable code to set the environment
variable for LS_COLORS, and add it to your bash initialization files.
Now, close your open shells and reopen them.
Voila!
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From: "Patrick A. Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:26:28 -0600
Nick Andrew wrote in message <76c4to$d9f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In <768b57$111$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peter McDermott
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> True. But it's also unfair to look *only* at the learning curve. This
>>> is what crippled the Mac - people insisted on not making it possible to
>>> ever get at a feature that might be hard to learn to use, even as an
>>> option.
>
>>Huh? I'm having trouble parsing this sentence.
>
>I believe Peter McDermott means that MacOS/applications typically fail
>to implement "advanced options" because their function may be hard
>to understand.
>
>>Do you have an example of some sort of functionality *not*
>>implemented on a mac that illustrates this, or were you
>>just mac-bashing?
>
>Try debugging a PPP connection on a Mac. I want a log of PPP packets sent
>and received, including appropriate decoding for readability (e.g. LCP
>packets need to have the various options listed in human-readable form).
>I also want a hex dump of each packet data contents.
Well Jeeeesssuuuss Chrrrriiistt.. dude, you go to the extreme of opposite
side. a SIZEABLE portions of systems are not able to do that without some
sort of secondary software...
nuf said..
>
>Come back to this newsgroup when you can do it.
>
>Nick.
>--
>Zeta Internet SP4 Fax: +61-2-9233-6545 Voice:
9231-9400
>G.P.O. Box 3400, Sydney NSW 1043 http://www.zeta.org.au/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: identd
Date: 31 Dec 1998 21:31:04 GMT
On 31 Dec 1998 06:15:34 GMT,
Bob Tennent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see the following kind of event in my /var/log/messages:
>
> Dec 31 00:55:16 Tennent identd[2692]: from: 193.12.6.130 ( ns.edu.stockholm.se )
> for: 4641, 21
> Dec 31 00:55:16 Tennent identd[2692]: Successful lookup: 4641 , 21 : rdt.rdt
>
> I don't know why anyone at that site would be looking up anything.
Because you were ftp'ing from there.
Ident is a rather clever protocol, designed so that it won't give it
information to random strangers. In order to get an ident, there needs
to be an open socket between the two systems, and all that is passed for
a lookup is the pair of ports, since the IP numbers are a given.
So you had a a socket from port 4641 on your machine open to port 21 on
their machine. Must have been downloading SIAG, eh?
> Is there any reason to be concerned?
No.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Joel Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compaq 5170 and lan
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:35:02 -0700
Is there a driver for Linux to use the DEC21143 chip thats in my 5170.
The 5170 also
has a plug in modem (rockwell chip set) that I can't get to work with
Linux ( Also have
the same problem with NT). The only info I have is when NT boots, it
finds the modem card, say's it's not recognized as a valid serial
device, and removes it from the system. Therfore the serial port doesn't
exist and I can't configure the modem on it.
Thanks for any help
Joel
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From: Arno Bats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Soundcard Busy Redhat 5.2
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:14:32 +0100
Hey!
When I try to setup my soundcard in Redhat 5.2 i get an error message
that the
module is busy. Help me out man.
Please reply to e-mail adres : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings,
Arno Bats.
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From: Ruffian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with Netscape
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:24:24 +0000
jack wallen wrote:
>
> i am having the same problem...and i've tried to configure it while
> online! anyone come up with a solution?
>
> On 30 Dec 1998 20:04:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Max) wrote:
>
> >Ruffian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >:
> >: If you're using 4.07 or later it'll do that if you
> >: try to set it up while offline. Try setting it up
> >: while you're online.
> >
> >Maybe this is not relevant to Netscape 4.07, but once set up in Netscape
> >4.5, I can't open Netscape Messenger unless I'm dialed into my ISP. Is
> >there a way around this?
> >
> >Thanks in advance and have a hippy New Year
> >
> >
> >:
> >Max Pyziur
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This was my lazy way around it...I always liked the Netscape
"3's" better than the "4's" so I'm using 3.04 Gold. That whole
communicator thing scared the hell out of me *g* But to tell
you the truth I never bother trying to open it until I'm online
so I can't help you there.
see you
Jan
reality.sys corrupt; reboot universe [y/n]?
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From: "Dave Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Switching from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:54:04 -0600
I don't think you will find it that easy. The configuration files are
different, as are the directories used. Debian is not an upgrade. It is a
system created by hobbyists who are attempting to bring a little law and
order to linux. Unless you are pretty familiar with linux and willing to
spend some time sorting through a lot of obscure documentation, stay with
your RedHat. You might try installing Debian separately and move your stuff
over as you learn.
Dave Nelson
Rod Person wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>How can I upgrade a Red Hat system to Debian without deleting the
>working binary apps? I think if I follow the installation procedures and
>not initalize a previous linux partition, it will just write over the
>red hat stuff. Any one know.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How To Slow Down System Clock
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:34:07 GMT
Cedric Ware writes:
> If it's on a permanent Internet connection, how about running an NTP
> daemon on it? Have a look at http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp - I've had
> problems with ntp4, but xntp3 works well enough for me, and you may
> already have it depending on your Linux distribution.
If you do not have a permanent connection you might want to try chrony. It
does almost everything xntp3 does but is easier to configure, supports
intermittent connections well, and calculates your drift rate and does
"dead-reckoning" corrections while your connection is down. It is
available as a Debian package in the unstable distribution (www.debian.org)
or from the author's site (see
http://www.curnow.demon.co.uk/chrony/index.html).
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will.
Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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From: Taso Hatzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Does ESS sound chip on laptop works on RedHat5.2?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:04:18 +0000
Bjoern Smith wrote:
>
> Hi!
> According to lots of comments on the net the ESS sound chip often
> used in modern laptops should work as a vanilla SB on Linux.
> I have a Best Note 1150 (PII266) running RedHat 5.2.
> Everything runs perfect except for the sound.
>
I have noname sound card based on an ESS chip. It works on RH5.2.
Here is what's in my /etc/conf.modules.
alias sound sb
alias midi opl3
options opl3 io=0x388
options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=0 mpu_io=0x300
'modprobe sb' produces no output.
/proc/pci contains:
PCI devices found:
Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio32/Trio64 (rev 0).
Medium devsel. IRQ 11.
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe7000000.
Bus 0, device 7, function 1:
IDE interface: Intel 82371 Triton PIIX (rev 2).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable.
Latency=32.
I/O at 0xe800.
Bus 0, device 7, function 0:
ISA bridge: Intel 82371 Triton PIIX (rev 2).
Medium devsel. Fast back-to-back capable. Master Capable. No
bursts.
Bus 0, device 0, function 0:
Host bridge: Intel 82437 (rev 1).
Medium devsel. Master Capable. Latency=32.
And lsmod produces:
Module Pages Used by
ppp 5 1 (autoclean)
slhc 2 [ppp] 1 (autoclean)
nls_iso8859_1 1 1 (autoclean)
nls_cp437 1 1 (autoclean)
vfat 4 1 (autoclean)
opl3 3 0
sb 6 0
uart401 2 [sb] 0
sound 15 [opl3 sb uart401] 0
soundlow 1 [sound] 0
soundcore 1 [sb sound] 6
All of the IRQ's, IO addresses, etc. listed above were automatically
assigned - I had nothing to do with it. The sound card is PnP.
MS-VMS (aka WinNT) couldn't deal with it.
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 31 Dec 1998 14:06:15 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Edstrom) writes:
> > But you are opening and reading a file, the "directory". The
>
> WHich you have to do anyway. You either open the directory file and
> then open a data file, or you just open the directory file.
Ah, but if you're finding 100 different values, you can open a single
data file and use an indexed search, or open the directory 100 times.
(sequential performance may be similar though) Rarely is a text file
used for a single configuration value.
All in all, it probably comes down to what you're using the data for.
On the other hand, actually using that left over space in an inode or
directory entry isn't a terrible idea. If you're going to have
resource forks and program defined meta-data, ala MacOS or OS/2, then
it's a good place to start storing it. (OS/2 stores the first part of
the resource data along with the normal meta data, then allocates more
blocks only if needed)
--
Darin Johnson
Laziness is the father of invention
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From: Juhani Vanhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Real Player/Netscape problem
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:39:37 -0500
I just installed Red Hat 5.2 to my computer, and so far everything has
gone quite smoothly. Now I have just one problem with Real Player or
Netscape. (I'm not sure which to blame)
RH installation disks came with Netscape 4.07, which I have now upgraded
to version 4.08. Today I downloaded Real Player v5.0 Beta2 (5.0.0.22)
and I'm trying to make it work with Netscape. I have set up everything
according to the README file that came with Real Player. Settings in
Netscape Application properties are:
Description: RealPlayer 5.0 Beta2
MIMEType: audio/x-pn-realaudio
Suffixes: .rm,.ra,.ram
[x] Handled By Application: /usr/bin/rvplayer %s
I have also modified /etc/profile to include:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/bin/rvplayer5.0b2
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
rvpayer works just fine when I run it from command line, and I'm able to
open .ram files both from my own HD and remotely.
The problem is that when I click on some audio/vide link in Netscape,
nothing seems to happen. Netscape just accesses the web page for a
moment and tells me that everything went OK, but Real Player newer pops
up. After a short investigation I found out that rvplayer had crashed
and dumped core. gdb interpretation of the core tells:
Core was generated by `rvplayer /tmp/MO368BE1750B50308'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0 0x401dbfaf in ?? ()
To further debug the problem, I changed Application properties in
Netscape so that it pops up xterm instead of rvplayer. Now, if I try to
run rvplayer from that xterm, it dumps the core every time. Running
rvplayer from any other xterm works fine.
Going through previous postings I found that some people have
~/.netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so file in their setup. Should I
perhaps have that installed too?
- Juhani
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux telephone/talk software?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:21:41 -0700
Chip & Debby Piller wrote:
>
> Are there any programs for Linux that I can use to talk with someone else on
> the internet? How can I do this, using a microphone and sending/receiving
> audio?
> I have a Creative Labs AWE64 V sound card, microphone, speakers, and run
> RedHat5.2
> Thanks much,
> Chip
There's speak_freely, available on sunsite as RPM. I played with it a while ago
but got only one-way sound. This is because Linux sound driver is half-duplex.
Perhaps the newest version fixed this...
--
Vladimir
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From: Charles Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Embarrassingly dumb questio
Date: 31 Dec 1998 21:15:35 GMT
Charles Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
a rant.
The news server at svpal crashed very shortly thereafter, so I did not get
to see any of the followups in comp.os.linux.misc. The news server
finally was able to be brought up this morning.
I would like to thank those of you who replied by email, and to apologize
to those of you whose followups I did not get to see because news was down
at svpal.org. I will mark this thread as unread and see if any more
followups come by.
--
Charles Mosher
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Griffin Caprio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: parport/ppa problem with 2.2.0pre1
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:21:42 -0600
Allin Cottrell wrote:
> I have been using a parallel-port zipdrive with kernel 2.0.36
> with no problem. Now I'm trying to use it with 2.2.0-pre1,
> using parport to get access to both the zipdrive and the printer.
> The printer is working (after shifting it from lp1 to lp0, in
> printcap), but the zipdrive is not.
>
>
I can't even get my printer to work under 2.2.0pre1. It works fine in
2.0.36, but not in the newer kernels. I tried to switch from lp1 to lp0
and it still doesn't work. Any tips?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Earl Dombroski)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.hp.hpux
Subject: Re: I am a Unix convert
Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:28:49 GMT
Ben Russo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
: For LINUX preinstalled:
: I don't endorse any of these because I haven't used any of them, but you
: may
: want to check out http://www.varesearch.com, http://www.linux-hw.com,
: (there are many others that I don't know the URL of right off hand.)
I hope this isn't considered off-topic, but I wanted to put in 2 cents
for the Cobalt Cube. I'm using HP-UX and Linux (586) now. I have a
friend who installed one of these on his network, and after 10 minutes
with one, I'm planning for this addition to my net in FY99. It's not
everything the original poster was looking for - it's basically a
preinstalled Linux/MIPS server that you manage with a web browser - but
it is just way cool. They're intended as fileservers, but my friend
is using one with telnet for quick access to Objective C. They're
dirt cheap and rapid; for vendors, I suggest using a search engine
for "colbalt cube" - I turned up several.
On topic, HP-UX is (imho) neither fish nor fowl in the bsd/sysv world.
(Example: man pages generously refer to /etc/printcap in 9.xx, but
the printing is really controlled ala SysV. Example: the 10.20
file structure is OSF-inspired, but not compliant (HP has a very
white paper on their web about this).) I'm a dead-dog bsd fan
(kudos to the poster who identified /usr/local/bin as part of
God's plan), but Linux offerred the flexibility of h/w support
for PCs, so that swayed me, fwiw.
Cheers,
Earl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HP-UX/Linux/BSD/Ultrix - they're all the same - ya use 'em and
ya gets things done.
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From: "Paul Riemerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partitioning - NT WON'T BOOT!
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:33:09 -0500
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
If you are using a boot manager like selectit or bootmagic, hiding the linux
partitions can help.
Paul Riemerman
A.G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:76gjl9$ju4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I installed a couple of new linux partitions on my HD, and NT refuses to
> load now.
> It says that ntoskrnl.exe is corrupt or missing.
>
> I have NT4 SP4 installed on first primary FAT16 part'n, master HD on
primary
> controller.
>
> I inserted 2 more primary partitions right after it (Linux SWAP and Linux
> Ext2). There is another extended FAT32 partition with data. I used
Partition
> Magic, so I don't think there were any partitioning errors. I have
> partitioned HDs many times, so I don't really think that's the case.
>
> One thing that I noticed, and that alerted me: when I installed Linux
after
> that, it reported the linux swap partition to be the first on the HD, and
> the FAT16 -the second, whereas it should be the other way around. But PQ
> Magic shows FAT16 to be the first.
>
> BTW, LILO is installed in the Linux partition, not in the master boot
> record.
>
> Win98 boots alright *from the same partition* and I am able to browse all
NT
> directories, everything seems OK. I even overwrote ntoskrnl.exe from the
SP4
> CD to make sure the file is not corrupt, but I thing that the problem lies
> somwhere else.
>
> Could it be that the partition number changed and the boot manager tries
to
> load NT from a wrong partition? But then how come the same boot manager
> loads Win98 without problems?
>
> How can I manually edit boot manager's configuration? Is there a file I
can
> check?
>
> Do I have to reinstall NT?
>
> If so, will the setup keep configurations like Start menus and registry?
If
> no, which directories should I backup before reinstalling.
>
> Thanks a lot for any input!
>
> A.G.
>
>
>
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From: Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:52:39 GMT
He is not saying that the government should tell us what we can and cant post,
he is saying that the government should make it illegal for these companies to
send unsolicited commercial bulk email. which only costs us, not the companies
doing it,,,do you want to get 300 advertisments in your email box a day
regarding "Make money fast" or "Free XXX sites, just click here" ad
nauseam..........
but the point is well taken that the govenrment should not tell us what we
can/cant post. after all do we want their beliefs being forced on everyone just
cause they feel like it?
the gvmnt does not need to grow a set,,they need to learn how to use them
properly!
Clifford Kite wrote:
> Dennis McGrath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : Normally I do, but occasionally they ask for a email response. It's a pain
> : dealing with the anti-spamming addressing. What we need is to have a
> : government with the balls enough to do something about it.
>
> I'd personally rather have the spam than risk government meddling with
> regard to what you can or can't post.
>
> --
> Clifford Kite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not a guru. (tm)
> /* Speak softly and carry a +6 two-handed sword. */
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damon K. Haley)
Crossposted-To: comp.comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Allman's Vacation program for Linux
Date: 31 Dec 1998 22:38:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I would like to put the vacation program on my Red Hat Linux box.
I have searched for it at the usual linux places w/ no luck
(I even tried the Lycos FTP finder site http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/).
Does anyone know where I can download this program?
Thanks in advance
Damon Haley
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From: Sean Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: - Help is Linux Y2K Complient ?? -
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:45:22 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Short answer: generally speaking, Linux is Y2K compliant.
Long answer: well, you should go to
http://www.linux.org/help/beginner/year2000.html
and read the plethora of articles there.
Basically, UNIX doesn't care what year it is since the kernel stores
the date as seconds elapsed since 1970 as a 32-bit integer. Nothing
special will happen between December 31, 1999 and January 1, 2000.
The date you really want to worry about is January 19, 2038, 3:14:07
AM, if you're still running a 32-bit kernel 39 years from now.
S.
Fuboco wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I'm new to the Linux world, I just want to know is Linux and it's variants
> going to function Ok in the year 2000??
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan.
--
Sean Yamamoto If William of Ockham had a beard,
UNIX Cabalist At Large it wasn't because his razor was dull.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Apply Occam's razor."
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From: vancemaclaren@ NOSPAMhotmail.com (Vance)
Subject: Re: Pussy shot from behind 1232
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:42:08 GMT
The way to stop the porn pigs from posting to serious NGs is for
everybody to stop reading their spam and then visiting their filthy
www sites. Take away the motivation and maybe they will cut down on
the cross-posting.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Word perfect newbie question
Date: 1 Jan 1999 03:07:36 GMT
In <76g1ls$eoh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Bill Gates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I have installed the software but can not figure out how to run it it does
>not appear on the programs menu in xwindows. Any assistance would be
>greatly appreciated.
a) put the wpbin directory in your path and run from the command line in
an xterm
b) You have to install it yourself into your file menus. It will depend
on which window manager you are running as to how to do it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:06:00 GMT
steve mcadams writes:
> Can you point me to sources where I can learn more about this aspect of
> licensing and the GPL?
There are none that I know of. You just have to read the copyright law and
the licenses, read some case law, and try to think logically about it.
Copyright law grants you the right to forbid others to make copies of your
creative works which you have fixed into tangible form. Copyright deals
with *copies*, not ideas or information. A copyright license grants the
recipient of the copy to which it is attached certain copying rights. For
example, you might sell me a copy of your library with a license that says
that I may make one backup copy provided that I destroy it if I sell the
copy that I purchased from you. A copy sent to your publisher, on the
other hand, may carry a license that grants him permission to make and sell
all the copies he wants, provided he sends you $50 for every one he sells.
Note that the right to make copies implies the right to make partial
copies.
A free license grants the recipient of the copy to which it is attached the
right to make an unlimited number of copies and distribute them however he
sees fit and requires that he grant the same rights to those he distributes
copies to. Some free licenses place conditions on this. The GPL requires
that he make the source available to recipients of executables, and that
derivatives be distributed under the GPL. All these licenses, however, are
grants of rights from you as author to the recipients of copies. They are
not contracts and do not place any requirements on you.
> I guess that if someone else was involved in development, for example on
> the Linux port, this would get more complex; I don't understand just what
> the ramifications would be.
You and he would create a work which was a mixture of your work and his.
Such a work could not be copied without permission from both of you (though
in principle your part could be teased out and copied with only your
permission). The two of you should agree on a license before starting
work. If money is involved the agreement should be a formal contract.
> Can you tell me more about this? Any examples of existing licenses like
> this which I can go look at?
It isn't really a license. You would publish under the GPL following the
usual forms (look at anything from the FSF for an example). In addition to
the usual stuff, you would put a prominent notice in your archive
explaining that in order for patches to be incorporated into the
development tree you must receive an unrestricted non-exclusive license.
The most important thing you would have to do, though, is provide support.
You would need to put up a web page, run a mailing list, and probably a cvs
repository. Take a look at existing projects such as Gnome and KDE for
ideas. Don't follow KDE's example on licensing, though.
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