Linux-Misc Digest #443, Volume #18 Sat, 2 Jan 99 21:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: help me choose license (Bill Unruh)
Re: Specs for SONY CPD 1704S 17" monitor (Tovar)
Re: SuSE 5.3's eide01 and math? problem (Crispg)
Re: Best Free spreadsheet for Linux? (William Park)
Re: Unix vs Windows NT ("Andrew Haines")
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Alexander Viro)
egcs, g++ (Samuel Bridgeland)
Re: HTML-links and iso9660 (Chetan Ahuja)
Re: help me choose license (Byron A Jeff)
Re: Using a remote X Session (Victor Wagner)
Re: Soviets Backed Open Source Software in the '80s? (Victor Wagner)
Re: Linux won't boot run level 5 (Victor Wagner)
Re: Apache Linux NTFS: Serving html files from NTFS drive (Victor Wagner)
Re: MP3 to WAV or AU decoder? (Victor Wagner)
Re: UMAX Astra 1220P Scanner (Victor Wagner)
Re: Fetchmail (Victor Wagner)
Re: Linux Video Game Programming (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Please explain nice levels to me. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Wich Window Manag.for my 486 ?? (Victor Wagner)
Re: help me choose license ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: help me choose license ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: 2 Jan 1999 22:05:57 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
]steve mcadams writes:
]> 1. I would like the code to be free for use in free products, ie
]> products that are not sold. So it could go into distribution X, be on
]> the cheapbytes cdroms, etc.
]Cheap Bytes CD's are sold, so it could not go on them. All major Linux
]distributions are sold, so it could not go in any of them. See the Debian
]Free Software Guidelines at www.debian.org or the Open Source Definition at
]www.opensource.org for explanations and examples of free software licenses.
Nuts. It is up to him to decide. If he decides that it can go on such
distributions, then they do not fall under the "products that are not
sold" classification, by his definition. Legal documents define the
terms used, and those definitions are then binding on that document, no
matter how you may use that definition in your everyday life. It is only
if they are not defined that they take their normal meaning. In the
above he explicitely states that "be on cheapbytes cdroms" falls under
the "are not sold" ruberic.
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From: Tovar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Specs for SONY CPD 1704S 17" monitor
Date: 02 Jan 1999 14:10:13 -0800
Nope, but here's some places that might be worth looking at:
http://hawks.ha.md.us/hardware/monitor.html
http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Misc/monitors/o-z.html
http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Misc/monitors/a-n.html
http://www.monitorservice.com/
http://clarinet.dcs.uky.edu/~fineberg/pc-desc.html
http://www.mela-itg.com/
http://www.nashville.net/~griffin/mondata.html
http://cande.dyn.ml.org
In addition to his advice, please check the Sony website. That's where i
got the data on mine.
-- Tovar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Crispg)
Subject: Re: SuSE 5.3's eide01 and math? problem
Date: 2 Jan 1999 20:44:25 GMT
www.suse.com has an online docs section on how to create a bootable disk and
other install directions
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Park)
Subject: Re: Best Free spreadsheet for Linux?
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:17:31 GMT
Tom Evans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I'm looking for a simple (easy to use) spreadsheet program for occasional
: use, i.e. StarOffice, Applixware are overkill. Only need basic formulas
: such as sum a column, compare 2 cells, return larger/smaller, etc.
: Most important, I want it to be simple to use since I won't be using
: it everyday, some of the scheme spreadsheet formulas don't seem intuative
: to me.
Try curses-based 'sc' or X-bases 'xspread'. There are included in
my Slackware 3.3.
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From: "Andrew Haines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Unix vs Windows NT
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:18:35 -0500
Check out http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/games/dungeon/nethack/
Shani Oren wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>What?! No nethack on linux?!
>
>There must be nethack for linux, and it's the best ever, ya know...
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: 2 Jan 1999 19:44:29 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>-> I get very little spam these days. I think some of the spammers are
>-> getting the message. If you want to advertise, set up a website and
>-> buy ads on the search engines and other high traffic sites.
>-> Interested potential customers will come to you if you offer a
>-> legitimate bussiness.
>
>Jynx! I got two today. Both were identical from the same sender.
>Who the hell writes that bulk mailing software? They are idiots. All
>they have to do is look at majordomo to see how to do it right.
Oh, they are NOT idiots. Idiots are those who buy said software along
with "<sagan> millions, verified, no duplications, no flamers" address
lists. Usually those idiots believe that they can't be (trivially) traced
down - "but ads for the super-acme-mega-stealth-rapid-f*ckup said
that anti-commerce radicals willn't find me". Yeah. Right.
You see, there are two layers in this shit-cake. There are lusers who buy
the scumware and Lose Accounts Fast (tm) and there are shit-peddlers,
knowing pretty well what they are doing and bilking aforementioned lusers.
Former need to be pitied for their terminal cluelessness and shot.
Shit-peddlers... well, they shouldn't get out *that* easy. At least it
should be slow and painful. Details may vary according to your tastes.
--
Luser, n.:
Human-like creature that doesn't dare to use elevator, because of
its belief that only horrible geeks can master arcane and obscure art of
using control panel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Samuel Bridgeland)
Subject: egcs, g++
Date: 3 Jan 1999 00:43:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chetan Ahuja)
Subject: Re: HTML-links and iso9660
Date: 3 Jan 1999 01:03:50 GMT
I am no file system expert but my understanding is that the ISO9669 file
system is limited to 8.3 file names.
There are a couple of ISO 9660 extensions: Joliet extensions understood
by Windows and Rockridge understood by Unix. Now if this CD has been
burnt only with Joliet extensions that would explain why windows browsers
can see the filenames as defined in HTML links but not the Unix browsers.
Of course if the html files were prepared carefully with these limitations
in mind ( i.e. with all lower case file names in 8.3 format) this would
not be a problem... in the event, you don't really have much of an option
unless the CDROM in question was burnt with BOTH Joliet and Rockridge extensions
(and assuming the iso9660 drivers in linux are written with these extensions)
Chetan
Guido Gerding ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi!
: Maybe it's a mistake of the HTML Authors but this occurs with some
: CD-ROMs:
: I am able to browse a CD with HTML Pages with e.g. Netscape under Win95
: without any problems.
: The same CD has broken links under Linux using any browser.
: I mount my CD-ROM with this entry in /etc/fstab:
: /dev/scd0 /scsi_cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto,user
: 0 0
: The filenames were identical with this under Win95 with some -same-
: capital letters.
: One directory is mamed e.g. InfoSys on both OS. The link in the page is:
: .../infosys/... and doesn't work under Linux.
: My solution was to copy all the directories from the CD to HD and to
: create symbolic links e.g.
: infosys -> InfoSys - but: what a waste of Disk space!
: Is there any solution to make the fs more fuzzy?
: Thanks
: Guido.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: 2 Jan 1999 20:02:03 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
>On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:43:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Cheap Bytes CD's are sold, so it could not go on them. All major Linux
>>distributions are sold, so it could not go in any of them.
>
>I'm sorry, I still am not getting this, and am starting to feel pretty
>dumb. Why could the GPL version not go in any of them? Is there no
>GPL code in any of these?
A buttload. However there is a difference between the GPL and a not-for-profit
license. See the GPL doesn't prevent someone from selling a copy of the
code (for a reasonable copying fee I think the license states) It only prevents
them from hoarding the source code or any additions to it.
BTW it does shoot your "sell commercial licenses" in the foot. Any company that
wanted to could simply take your library and run all they copies they like
without paying an penny. Their obligation is only to redistribute any mods
they make to the code.
The GPL doesn't work here. It gives its users right to redistribute your
code, either freely or for profit.
As much as it sucks you're going to have to craft your own license that takes
into account everything you want:
1) Code can be freely used and redistributed for open source applications.
2) Code can be bundled and redistributed with other OSS software.
3) Code can be modified either by patches to the original sources or by
assignment of modifications to you. More on this point later...
The TrollTech QPL (www.troll.no) is the closest model to these requirements.
It isn't perfect but it'll protect your financial interests because then anyone
who either uses or develops commercial applications using your library will
be obligated to pay you for its usage.
As for the assignment it seems that a financial incentive may be conducive
to getting folks to sign on. Simply have a number of shares on the software
and for every buck that comes in, dole out a share of it to the participants
who assign the code to you. As patches that are useful come in, negotiate with
the authors a certain number of shares (say out of 100000). It'll create
incentives both to fix and enhance the library, and to create assignments to
you. For those who don't want to participate, they can release patches against
the original source.
I'm currently working on a compiled/interpreted operating environment for
microcontrollers and I'm considering the same issues. I'd like for it to be
open source, I'd like for it to be freely redistributable and freely used
for non-profit purposes, but if some company is going to insert 2,000,000
copies of the code for the next great Chrismas toy, I think it reasonable to
get a slice of that pie. I also think it's reasonable to share that slice
with any developers that made additions/bugfixes to the source.
This is a very tough battle. Open Source by definition defeats the idea of
selling the code. It opens up the genie of free redistributability and
modification while you are in fact trying to maintain a leash of being able
to sell if an interested buyer comes along.
I guess it's time to come up with the "Free for non-profit, Pay for profit"
license, with appropriate clauses for shares and assignments.
BAJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Using a remote X Session
Date: 2 Jan 1999 14:39:23 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Noel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Here is my problem. I have a Linux box running RedHat 5.2. My X server is
: configured correctly. It starts and I can launch x applications without a
: problem
: while I'm at the local machine.
: The problem comes when I try to do it remotely. I'm running Windows NT with
: Exceed. I start the Exceed server, I telnet over to my Linux box. I set my
: display
: environment variable to IP:0 or IP:0.0. This allows me to launch the X
: applications
: that reside on my linux box and view them on my NT machine. But when I type
: "startx", It launches the window manager on the linux machine as opposed to
: displaying it on my NT machine.
: Has anyone run into this problem before. Is there anyway that I can use the
: "startx" command and see the window manager on my NT machine, without having
: it launch on my Linux box. When I'm in my telnet session I see all the
: commands
: appearing on my NT machine but the X window manager actually starts on my
: Linux box.
: Someone please help!
You misunderstand meaning of startx command.
It is supposed to start xserver and initiate whole x session.
You can achive effect you want by running
sh ~/.xinitrc
(it is what startx does after it has started X server)
But startx is just a shell script, so find your local shell guru and ask
him to modify your startx so if it would see, that you are logged from
remote machine (using w command) it would set DISPLAY appropriately and
just start your X session clients on remote display.
: Thanks in advanced.
: Noel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: Soviets Backed Open Source Software in the '80s?
Date: 2 Jan 1999 15:30:05 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roman Suzi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Personally I can't understand why native english-speaking user
: thinks "Linux is hard to use", but for usual russian users its
: a problem (many of them can't even type latin letters fast
: enough!)
I'll explain it. You are assuming that average english-speakin user has
finished high-school in Soviet sense. It's just wrong. From my personal
experience I can say that about 1% of people have enough education to
work with language-based systems like Linux. No matter where - in the
West or in Russia. But in Russia knoledge of English is primary barrier.
In the West there are more people, who know English enough, but fewer
people who have enough literacy in other relevant areas, i.e.
mathematics, literature (I'm perfectly sure that you've read more
Shakespeare plays, albeit in Russian translation, than average American
CS student)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: Linux won't boot run level 5
Date: 2 Jan 1999 16:00:26 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Hello,
: I just switched my RH5.2 box to Run Level 5, and now it won't reboot. It
: seems it's not finding a file needed to start kde. Does anyone have the key
: sequence to be able to boot into Run Level 3 and fix the problem?
Press Shift or CapsLock during bootup and
LILO boot:
prompt would appeared.
Type "linux n" there where n is number of desired runlevel (in your case
- linux 3, although I'll prefer to fix such troubles in single-user mode
(linux single).
I assume that you haven't enabled prompt in LILO by default (so you need
to press Shift)
and you have X server constantly respawning (so you cannot just find
free virtual console). If it is wrong, and you get X login widget, but
after log in session terminates immediately, just press F1 instead of
Enter after typing in password. You'll get X session without window
manager but with one X term, where you can do anything.
: Thanks,
: Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: Apache Linux NTFS: Serving html files from NTFS drive
Date: 2 Jan 1999 16:06:36 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: `Thanks a lot for the response. I will chew on this info for a while. I
: should work with your instructions.
: Using the ntfs-981207.gz driver, I got my NTFS drive to read in Linux
: How can I make my html files on my NT hard drive be my default home page in
: Linux.
: By default, the Linux index.html file is in /home/httpd/html. I have
: configured my srm.conf and access.conf files (in the /etc/httpd/conf
: directory)to point to /mnt/hda1/inetpub/wwwroot (this is where my html files
: are stored on my NT hard drive)instead.
: The problem is that I get: "Error 403. Forbidden You don't have permission
: to access / on this server."
I think that your NTFS drive have default.htm instead of index.html for
directory index.
Find line saying DirectoryIndex index.html in your apache configs
(don.t remember if it is srm.conf or httpd.conf. I always put ANYTHING
in httpd.conf) and add default.htm here.
You might also add
Options +Indexes
in the config of required directory.
: If I enter the actual file name, however,
: (/mnt/hda1/inetpub/wwwroot/index.htm( the file reads fine.
: Any ideas?
: P.S. Is it just my machine, or is there not a "right paragraph charactor" in
: Linux's Netscape? It is bugging the heck out of me!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: MP3 to WAV or AU decoder?
Date: 2 Jan 1999 15:10:53 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Igor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I am looking for a good MP3 to WAV decoder. Command line preferred.
: I need to use it with XCDROAST.
: Any suggestions?
mpg123 (produces raw audio file) + sox
: thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: UMAX Astra 1220P Scanner
Date: 2 Jan 1999 16:11:13 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Benoit Lefebvre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi, anyone have a program to scan from a UMAX Astra 1220P scanner ?
: I tried sane, but it only scan with SCSI scanners, not Parallel
You should have a look on Sane BEFORE you bought scanner, and by only
supported one. Umax astra is great, especially 1220, but if, and only if
it has "S" at the end of number.
Now, if you are experienced hacker, you can hack parallel-port SCSI
emulation for it, based on ppa driver, for instance. I'm sure that once
you get kernel SCSI driver working on top of your parallel interface,
sane driver will work with it. Or sell this
scanner and buy SCSI one. Only two choices, I suppose
: Thnx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: Fetchmail
Date: 2 Jan 1999 14:32:27 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: O.K. sendmail is listening and var/log/maillog is complaining about
: Sep 16 17:36:21 localhost sendmail[507]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0,
: SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in /var/spool/mqueue)
: I have absolutely no idea what this means and would really appreciate some
: help. I loved fetchmail.
It is just so simple - your disk is filled out. senmail requires some
(101kb?) space in /var/spool/mqueue directory, but partition, containing
it is absolutely filled. Probably you have too much space used by log
files in /var/log.
Use df and du commands to find out some unneccessary data and delete it.
: Thanks again
: Chris
: >>P.S. If you can tell me in 10 words or less how to change my name from
: >>f%3king <Red Hat Linux User> in posts from slrn I'd really appreciate it
: >man chfn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux Video Game Programming
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:42:03 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:25:11 GMT...
..and John Hankey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is a good approach to porting / writing video games for Linux?
>
> I'd prefer to not use X Windows, so if SVGA lib the best way to go?
libsvga is getting deprecated. Use X or GGI.
> Is there anything similar to Microsoft's Direct X?
OpenGL (Mesa) is about the same as Direct3D, only better.
Perhaps the PenguinPlay SDK will be of interest to you, too.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Please explain nice levels to me.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:42:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:50:06 GMT...
..and Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >btw are there batch scheduling facilities in unix? i'd like to have a
> >batch daemon to which i submit jobs and it fifos them up and runs
> >them.
>
> Solaris has a batch(1) command, which is related to at and cron. The
> system administrator can control how many batch jobs get run at a time, and
> their niceness.
My SuSE system has got batch(1), too. It's really only a synonym for calling
at with certain options.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: Wich Window Manag.for my 486 ??
Date: 2 Jan 1999 14:43:01 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Airwolf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi,
: I'm looking for a Windon Manager that would not eat 95% of my CPU time
: (486 D4 100 with 50 Mb ram).It will be definitly not KDE (tested with a
: lot of patience). I'm thinking about fvwm95 because my girl friend need
: to use also my computer. Is it fast enough to run on my gear ?? I've
: been on many site dealing with the different WM but no one is talking
: about speed.
: Thanks a lot
: --
Yes, fvwm is good choice. I'm using it on work with 486DX266 20Mb and
quite satisfied with speed. But I'll suggest you to use plain fvwm2
instead of fvwm95. You can tune it up so it would have same buttons on
window borders like windows 95.
If you would use dfm file manager and put neccessary programs on your
girlfriend's desktop, she probably wouldn't miss taskbar very much.
Note that if you don't have 16-bit or more color, color icons are evil.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:43:04 GMT
Bill Unruh writes:
> It is up to him to decide.
Of course it is up to him to decide what license to use.
> If he decides that it can go on such distributions, then they do not fall
> under the "products that are not sold" classification, by his definition.
But the distributors decide, after reading his license, whether it complies
with their requirements for inclusion. They will do so based on what the
license actually says, not what he wrote once long ago in a usenet article.
> In the above he explicitely states that "be on cheapbytes cdroms" falls
> under the "are not sold" ruberic.
In the unlikely event that he was to do something as stupid as releasing
his library under a license which literally said "This work can not be sold
but could go into distribution X, be on the cheapbytes cdroms, etc." I
really doubt that it would go into any major distribution or onto any
Cheap Bytes CD's. It would certainly not go into Debian under such a
license, though if someone offered to package it we would contact him and
try to negotiate a sensible license.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:26:43 GMT
steve mcadams writes:
> Exactly what is the difference between a GPL license and a "you can
> not sell this" license?
I can sell a GPL program for whatever the market will bear, as long as I
offer my customers the source. My customers can do likewise. I cannot
sell a "you can not sell this" program, and so it cannot go on a Cheap
Bytes or Red Hat CD, since Cheap Bytes and Red Hat sell those CD's.
> It seems to me that both would allow anyone to use the code in free
> products,....
When I write "free software" I mean "free speech", not "free beer". "You
can not sell this" doesn't qualify as free in this sense.
> ...neither would allow anyone besides the author or the author's
> licensees to use the code in commercial products.
Of course GPL code can be used in commercial products. It is just that
those commercial products must be GPL. Cygnus sells a whole raft of them.
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