Linux-Misc Digest #879, Volume #18 Wed, 3 Feb 99 13:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: In search of recommendations (Ben Russo)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Matthias Warkus)
Aladdin V chipset (Matthias Warkus)
egcs RPM problem (Michael)
Re: Setting up Pine [loses ppp while fetching newsgroup list < / > ]
(joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
New Bible search software: testers requested (Dave Ulrick)
Re: Zip 250 under Linux 2.2 (Axel Probst)
Setting the Hostname ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Time Server Clients (John Hasler)
Unix/Advanced Computing People (Lakshmi Natarajan)
Re: In search of recommendations (Ben Russo)
linux startup (Gordon Vrdoljak)
Re: more fonts for netscape (Bob Tennent)
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In search of recommendations
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:26:36 -0500
Ken Wolff wrote:
> I have a question regarding the setup of a web server that will need to provide
>access to information stored in a database.
>
> We're running Red Hat Linux 5.2
>
> The application we are developing will need to provide the following:
> - There must be some type of database support (SQL if available)
For Linux: Oracle, Sybase, Informix, MySQL, PostgressQL, and others.....
>
> - On a nightly basis, data will be FTPed over from our production system and bulk
>loaded into the database.
All the databases can import data (if you write the code to do bounds checking and
format the data), and all Linux distrib's
support FTP.
> - This data will then be available to our internal staff via our intranet using a
>web browser.
You will need someone who has LOT's of experience with Web master and Web content.
There are many web servers available for Linux: Apache, Netscape Enterprise, Netscape
Suitespot, NCSA, and many others.
> - The server (we're thinking of using Apache at this time) will need to be able to
>pull data from this database.
Good choice! ANY cgi program can pull data from the database, and format the output
in HTML.
The differences are how hard it is to code and maintain that code.
> Does anyone have any recommendations on the following?
> - What database product should we use? This application will be limited to bulk
>loads of already formatted information. I'm
> guessing the database would need to be ODBC or JDBC compliant.
The ODBC and JDBC drivers would be needed if your client is running a client side
application (not the web interface) or if your
client is using a Java applet in their web browser that acts as the GUI component to
the Database which is accessed via a servlet
that uses ODBC or JDBC.
> - Would we access this information using ODBC or JDBC drivers?
Depends, if you write a client side application that uses the database you would want
to have a JDBC driver if you write the code
in JAVA
If you are writing your client side application in another language you would want to
use an ODBC
driver.
> - Will Apache support these drivers?
Apache will support many SSI, shtml modules, servlet engines, and of course CGI.
Your SSI engine, shtml parser, servlet engine or CGI programming language would have
to be able to use the drivers. Apache as a
web server wouldn't care what those things do, Apache just runs them and get's their
output.
###########################
I haven't done this with Linux boxes, but we have many Oracle systems with Web front
ends on HP-UX machines and Solaris machines.
Technology is changing so fast that for high level applications you should use
whatever is easiest, it will be outdated by the time
it get's into production anyway.
I suggest that you find someone with a few years of experience in UNIX system
administration, Web Content Development and
programming.
##############
ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY HAVE SEVERAL YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN A LARGE AND
VARIED UNIX ENVIRONMENT.
###############
Find someone else who has a few years of experience in a large and varied DataBase
environment.
First step is to work with the potential user base and find out what their work
consists of.
Talk to their management and find out what they want this system to be able to do.
-When do they need the system operational?
-How much do they want to spend?
-How many people will they staff to develop and later operate the system?
-Do they want Data Analysis?
-Do they want Report Generation?
-Do they want specific search engine capabilities?
-What level of system availability do they require?
-Do they want User-Group-DataRecord levels of access?
-Do they want to be able to add data? Browse Data? Edit Data?
-etcetera etcetera etcetera
Go sit down with the new Sys-Admin and DBA, and write up a very formal Functional
Specification.
This FuncSpec will not have any hardware or programming specifics in it.
It will merely be a description of what the system will allow users and managers to
do, and show
"mock-up" pictures of the screens (GUI's) that they might be able to use.
Go back to the user group and ask them to read through this Functional Specification
and ask them
if it will meet their needs. Get a good number of the potential users to proofread
the FuncSpec and
make DETAILED COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
Repeat this FuncSpec until you have a final draft for VERSION 1.0 of your system.
This may take a few weeks. Make it clear to the
user community that this Functional Specification will NOT BE CHANGED
after it is approved. No changes will occur to functional requirements until the
system is fully deployed and operational. (the
V2 of the project should be thought of as a seperate project)
##############
second step.
Now that you know what the users want/need done. You will have to start looking at
how you will provide this functionality within
the alloted time and budget.
Have your UNIX SA and DBA write a Technical Specification that wil explain in terms of
Hardware and Software how the system will be
implemented. Find a consultant who has worked for many other companies with good
recommendations to review the functional spec
and the techspec. Explain to him that he Functional Specification is complete, but
that you want a detailed evaluation of the
Technical Specification to see if it will work.
###############
third step.
Come up with an implementation plan that outlines the obstacles to creating the
software subsystem.
1. HW
2. SW
3. Custom Code
would be good major items, there may be dozens of minor sub-items each with several
sub-items under them for this.
Assign these to individuals with a project plan that shows the inter-relationship of
the obstacles, and the timeframes you expect
to allocate to the items.
(for example you can't install software until the hardware is installed.)
Go over the plan again. You may want to have a consultant look over this as well.
###############
fourth step.
Start following the plan laid out in step three.
Make sure that your UNIX SA and DBA work together to oversee the development of the
project.
LISTEN TO THEM. THEY ARE LIKE YOUR PARENTS, THE MORE EXPERIENCE YOU GET THE
MORE THEIR NAGS SOUND LIKE PEARLS OF WISDOM.
It is all a balancing act, you have to decide which factors are important.
For example if you are at a small company and the biggest factor is personel cost, and
you have an expert in MS Access on the staff
already, you may choose to have that individual use Front Page and ACCESS.
If you are a larger company where the availability of the system, or it's future
scalability and portability are the big issues,
you may decide that features of a particular software suite like Oracle Enterprise
Server are important, and you would then go and
spend $120K/year for a Sr. DBA.
-Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:05:36 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:51:46 GMT...
..and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, if this refers to me, it's inaccurate. I did not write that the
> > first computer was built in England, I wrote that it was invented in
> > England. So, you're tilting against a windmill & denouncing a
> > statement that never was made. Since all the accounts I have seen
> > derive the modern computer from the abacus and Babbage's Analytical
> > Engine, -- in no way, shape or form did Americans "invent" the
> > computer.
> >
>
> Well, it's crap this way, too. Computers were NOT invented in England.
> Babbage invented the Difference Engine, which never actually worked. The
> Difference Engine was supposed to be a mechanical computer.
The Difference Engine worked and it was not a real computer by our
definition. OTOH, the Analytic Engine was. The Analytic Engine was a
programmable mechanical computer, but Babbage never got around to
build it because of lack of money and mechanical difficulties. The
thing probably would work if one built it today.
> There's an
> ENORMOUS difference between the way a mechanical computer works and the way a
> digital, electronic computer works.
The Difference Engine and the Analytical Engine were both digital.
Mechanical != analog. Consider the difference between a sprocket and a
pulley.
mawa
--
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My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Aladdin V chipset
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:26:02 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What exactly are the problems Linux has got with the Aladdin V
chipset? I remember some... and now the question has become acute
since I've bought a new box with a kick-ass Socket 7 motherboard...
but <sigh>, yes, it's got ALi Aladdin V hardware.
mawa
--
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My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: egcs RPM problem
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:27:55 +0100
Hello!
Im running RH 5.0, and found out The ecgs fortran compiler was not
installed.
I have tried to rpm ecgs1.0.3, and got the following:
# rpm -U egcs-1.0.3a-14.i386.rpm
/lib/cpp conflicts with file from gcc-2.7.2.3-8
/usr/bin/protoize conflicts with file from gcc-2.7.2.3-8
/usr/bin/unprotoize conflicts with file from gcc-2.7.2.3-8
/usr/info/cpp.info.gz conflicts with file from gcc-2.7.2.3-8
/usr/man/man1/cccp.1 conflicts with file from gcc-2.7.2.3-8
error: egcs-1.0.3a-14.i386.rpm cannot be installed
What's safest and fastest to do if I am not to loose my C compiler?
Do I get them back by just rpm -e gcc, and retry ecgs?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joseph_a_philbrook__iii)
Subject: Re: Setting up Pine [loses ppp while fetching newsgroup list < / > ]
Date: 3 Feb 1999 17:27:00 GMT
[Reading news with pine]
>> Nope. You only need Innd if you want to read news offline from your
>> own box.
>> What can I say? Pine sucks.
>> I wouldn't recommend it for newsreading at all - no threading and
>> ridiculously slow as you've discovered. If you want a recommendation
>> for a good newsreader, I'd go for tin, slrn or Gnus, in order of
>> increasing recommendation, and probably increasing complexity as well.
>> Stefan
Thanks for your opinion of pine... Since you seam to be familiar with it
AND with tin,slrn etc... Maybe you can provide me with A hint as to which
TEXT BASED <<no x >> news reader makes it easy to mark whole threads <<without
actualy opening the individual messages>> for downloading to a user owned
file (NOT A ROOT OWNED SPOOL) where a user can then read edit and delete
the file at will while offline???
I'm not anything like a linux expert, but I can do this with my unix login
at work with something they call trn (which is probably a commercial
program) the file from which I clipped the quotes from your folow-up
to my artical (when not at work I'm [EMAIL PROTECTED]) was automaticaly
saved in $HOME/News/Comp.os.linux.misc because thats the news group I
was "in" when I told trn to save selected threads...
I have the slackware 3.5 distribution on CD <which comes with lots of
packages... But I'm not experianced enough to recognize what package to
install which newsreader <the name of which I likely wouldn't recognize
as a news reader> nor where it would have been installed if I had had
the forsight to have installed the right package... <sigh> And almost
all the easy to find info either assumes I want to run a news spool that
requires root maintanance operations (and likely will insist on fetching
whole newsgroups rather than only downloading selected threads...) OR
if I don't want to do that then I must want free agent <which I would try if
it came in a text interfCace that wouldn't require I reinstalled x...>
I don't want to use a local news spool, but I do want to do the actual
reading while off-line... Once I have SELECTED threads downloaded to a
user owned local file, I should be able to do the rest...
thanking you in advance
-^- -^-
<?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
^
\___/ < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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From: Dave Ulrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Bible search software: testers requested
Date: 03 Feb 1999 10:48:52 -0600
Reply-To: Dave Ulrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I've been developing a Bible search engine which I eventually plan to
make available for free use and download under the GNU Public License.
Its working name is 'bgrep', short for 'Bible grep' (grep is a UNIX
utility for searching text files for lines which match a pattern). I
am targeting the users of platforms such as UNIX and OS/2, but it
should be portable to most any platform (it's written in ANSI C with
auxilary code in Emacs Lisp). Some features will work best if you are
running UNIX or if you have a fair number of UNIX-style utilities
installed on your non-UNIX system.
Once it is complete, bgrep will have the following features:
o Support for UNIX-style regular expressions.
o Multiple search expressions may be specified with a mixture
of required and optional expressions.
o Support for multiple translations. If you can find a
Bible in plain ASCII or HTML format, bgrep should be
able to support it.
o Command-line interface.
o Full-screen interface using the GNU Emacs or XEmacs
text editors. Because of bgrep's modular structure,
it would be straightforward to build other user
interfaces or GUIs.
o Search results may be output in plain text, HTML, or
as input for the LaTeX typesetting package. Its LaTeX
output can look very much like a professionally
typeset book!
o If you output your search results in HTML or LaTeX,
bgrep can display the results from two different
translations side-by-side.
o Support for use as a Web-based (CGI) Bible search
engine. It works great under Linux and Apache!
bgrep is not yet available for download. However, I would like to
have some brave individuals test bgrep in its Web-based guise. To do
so, point your Web browser at
http://a01dgu1.cso.niu.edu/bgrep/bgmenu.html
and follow the on-screen instructions. You may choose between five
different English translations of the entire Bible. (No plugins are
required, and no software will be downloaded to your PC.) For a
little more information about bgrep, including some sample output, you
may view:
http://a01dgu1.cso.niu.edu/bgrep/
Please email me with your feedback.
Thanks,
Dave
--
===========================================================================
Dave Ulrick Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DeKalb, IL, USA
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From: Axel Probst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zip 250 under Linux 2.2
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:29:48 +0100
Hi,
Richard Lewin wrote:
>
> I am thinking about buying one of the new Iomega Zip 250 drives (the
> parallel port version). But first I would like to know if it will work OK
> under Linux 2.2. Do I need any extra drivers? Also how will it affect
> the parallel port when I want to print from it? I read somewhere that you
> could use the parallel port for more than one thing but could only have
> one driver loaded at a time. Does anyone have any experience with using
> this drive under Linux?
>
> I would appreciate replies by email. Thanks very much in advance.
>
> Richard Lewin
Not long ago I asked the same question because I saw the drive in a
computer shop in my area. (I then bought a ZIP100 because it was only
half the price).
I got some answers and the most interesting for you is that the one told
me the ZIP250 would work with the imm-driver, originally written for the
ZIP Plus-drive.
HIH
Axel.
--
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Unter den Eichen 87, D-12205 Berlin
Tel/Fax: ++49-30-8104-3957/1337, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Setting the Hostname
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:52:39 +0000
This is kind of an embarrasingly easy question to be asking... but a
few days ago I changed the hostname on my Linux box (don't ask me why),
and I have been unable to put it back to where it used to be. I don't
exactly remember what I did to change it in the first place... but I
have tried putting it back using the "hostname" command, it works for
that session but then reverts back after re-booting. I have looked in
the "/etc" directory... the "HOSTNAME" file is empty (I was assuming
that this was where it was stored... if it's empty, where is the
*incorrect* hostname coming from?).
Can anyone tell me where the hostname for you Linux box gets stored,
and what the easiest way to change it is? Thanks!
Steve
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time Server Clients
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:09:54 GMT
Tim Pitman writes:
> I am running RH 5.2 did any kind of Time Server client come with this
> release, and if not what is available to use to sync my server's time up
> with and Internet time server.
Christopher Browne writes:
> Look for xntpd.
Or chrony, which is smaller and easier to configure.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will.
Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
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From: Lakshmi Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Unix/Advanced Computing People
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:22:49 -0500
Hi!
I am looking to network with people involved in Unix and advanced
computing
for both personal and professional reasons. I have been seriously
interested in the above for a long time. I have just joined USENIX and
hope it will be good for this purpose.
I am programmer, but my work environment does not have the concentration
in Unix that I am looking for.
I live in lower Westchester county, New York. I have got Linux on my PC
and
have been studying Richard Stevens' APUE as well as Bach's The Unix
Operating System. I am interested in Unix system programming,
administration, OS kernels, network programming, parallel processing
(don't
know much about it), Perl, Tcl/Tk, C, C++, Java, ... the whole bit!
I would appreciate some leads.
Thanks,
(Mr.) Lakshmi Natarajan.
--
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# Not by bread alone, or by music or by science, #
# but through all of them. #
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: In search of recommendations
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:37:29 -0500
Ken Wolff wrote:
> I have a question regarding the setup of a web server that will need to provide
>access to information stored in a database.
>
> We're running Red Hat Linux 5.2
>
> The application we are developing will need to provide the following:
> - There must be some type of database support (SQL if available)
For Linux: Oracle, Sybase, Informix, MySQL, PostgressQL, and others.....
>
> - On a nightly basis, data will be FTPed over from our production system and bulk
>loaded into the database.
All the databases can import data (if you write the code to do bounds checking and
format the data), and all Linux distrib's
support FTP.
> - This data will then be available to our internal staff via our intranet using a
>web browser.
You will need someone who has LOT's of experience with Web master and Web content.
There are many web servers available for Linux: Apache, Netscape Enterprise, Netscape
Suitespot, NCSA, and many others.
> - The server (we're thinking of using Apache at this time) will need to be able to
>pull data from this database.
Good choice! ANY cgi program can pull data from the database, and format the output
in HTML.
The differences are how hard it is to code and maintain that code.
> Does anyone have any recommendations on the following?
> - What database product should we use? This application will be limited to bulk
>loads of already formatted information. I'm
> guessing the database would need to be ODBC or JDBC compliant.
The ODBC and JDBC drivers would be needed if your client is running a client side
application (not the web interface) or if your
client is using a Java applet in their web browser that acts as the GUI component to
the Database which is accessed via a servlet
that uses ODBC or JDBC.
> - Would we access this information using ODBC or JDBC drivers?
Depends, if you write a client side application that uses the database you would want
to have a JDBC driver if you write the code
in JAVA
If you are writing your client side application in another language you would want to
use an ODBC
driver.
> - Will Apache support these drivers?
Apache will support many SSI, shtml modules, servlet engines, and of course CGI.
Your SSI engine, shtml parser, servlet engine or CGI programming language would have
to be able to use the drivers. Apache as a
web server wouldn't care what those things do, Apache just runs them and get's their
output.
###########################
I haven't done this with Linux boxes, but we have many Oracle systems with Web front
ends on HP-UX machines and Solaris machines.
Technology is changing so fast that for high level applications you should use
whatever is easiest, it will be outdated by the time
it get's into production anyway.
I suggest that you find someone with a few years of experience in UNIX system
administration, Web Content Development and
programming.
##############
ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY HAVE SEVERAL YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN A LARGE AND
VARIED UNIX ENVIRONMENT.
###############
Find someone else who has a few years of experience in a large and varied DataBase
environment.
First step is to work with the potential user base and find out what their work
consists of.
Talk to their management and find out what they want this system to be able to do.
-When do they need the system operational?
-How much do they want to spend?
-How many people will they staff to develop and later operate the system?
-Do they want Data Analysis?
-Do they want Report Generation?
-Do they want specific search engine capabilities?
-What level of system availability do they require?
-Do they want User-Group-DataRecord levels of access?
-Do they want to be able to add data? Browse Data? Edit Data?
-etcetera etcetera etcetera
Go sit down with the new Sys-Admin and DBA, and write up a very formal Functional
Specification.
This FuncSpec will not have any hardware or programming specifics in it.
It will merely be a description of what the system will allow users and managers to
do, and show
"mock-up" pictures of the screens (GUI's) that they might be able to use.
Go back to the user group and ask them to read through this Functional Specification
and ask them
if it will meet their needs. Get a good number of the potential users to proofread
the FuncSpec and
make DETAILED COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
Repeat this FuncSpec until you have a final draft for VERSION 1.0 of your system.
This may take a few weeks. Make it clear to the
user community that this Functional Specification will NOT BE CHANGED
after it is approved. No changes will occur to functional requirements until the
system is fully deployed and operational. (the
V2 of the project should be thought of as a seperate project)
##############
second step.
Now that you know what the users want/need done. You will have to start looking at
how you will provide this functionality within
the alloted time and budget.
Have your UNIX SA and DBA write a Technical Specification that wil explain in terms of
Hardware and Software how the system will be
implemented. Find a consultant who has worked for many other companies with good
recommendations to review the functional spec
and the techspec. Explain to him that he Functional Specification is complete, but
that you want a detailed evaluation of the
Technical Specification to see if it will work.
###############
third step.
Come up with an implementation plan that outlines the obstacles to creating the
software subsystem.
1. HW
2. SW
3. Custom Code
would be good major items, there may be dozens of minor sub-items each with several
sub-items under them for this.
Assign these to individuals with a project plan that shows the inter-relationship of
the obstacles, and the timeframes you expect
to allocate to the items.
(for example you can't install software until the hardware is installed.)
Go over the plan again. You may want to have a consultant look over this as well.
###############
fourth step.
Start following the plan laid out in step three.
Make sure that your UNIX SA and DBA work together to oversee the development of the
project.
LISTEN TO THEM. THEY ARE LIKE YOUR PARENTS, THE MORE EXPERIENCE YOU GET THE
MORE THEIR NAGS SOUND LIKE PEARLS OF WISDOM.
It is all a balancing act, you have to decide which factors are important.
For example if you are at a small company and the biggest factor is personel cost, and
you have an expert in MS Access on the staff
already, you may choose to have that individual use Front Page and ACCESS.
If you are a larger company where the availability of the system, or it's future
scalability and portability are the big issues,
you may decide that features of a particular software suite like Oracle Enterprise
Server are important, and you would then go and
spend $120K/year for a Sr. DBA.
-Ben
------------------------------
From: Gordon Vrdoljak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux startup
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:52:26 -0800
Hello,
I'd like to know the process of how linux starts up from beginning of
boot up, to what scripts
are called for configuration of the components, to the startup of login
or Xwindows.
I am familiar with how this process works on a windows95/Dos computer,
and would like
to trace the process slowly on a linux system I have. It is redhat 5.2,
running Xfree86 with
FVWM95. I don't know where to begin, but would like to as there are a
lot of configuration
files for various components which I would like to have comprehension
of.
Any comments are greatly appreciated sent to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks.
Gordon Vrdoljak
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From: r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: more fonts for netscape
Date: 3 Feb 1999 01:50:20 GMT
On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:34:07 +0000, Cher-Wah Tan wrote:
>
>wonder how i could get more X fonts to be displayed for my netscape
>under X. i have installed all the fonts packages that comes with RedHat
>5.2 distribution but netscape still have only about 6 fonts in its font
>dialog box.
>
There are "free-fonts" and "share-fonts" packages around but
these are not of high quality. If you have Windows ttf fonts,
install xfsft or xfstt. Some good ttf fonts are available from
the Microsoft web site, believe it or not. And of course you
could always *buy* fonts; look for CDs with thousands of fonts.
Bob T.
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