Linux-Misc Digest #105, Volume #19 Sat, 20 Feb 99 02:13:09 EST
Contents:
Linux kick me out ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Ghostscript driver for HP695C Printer?? (Grant Taylor)
directory removal program (Steve)
why do some processes die for no reason? (Jinsong Ouyang)
Re: help needed mounting fd0 (Gary Strength)
Re: RPM and location of files (John Thompson)
Love and Unix (Arynx)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: Linux has too many problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Bill Unruh)
new named won't work w/o "kill -HUP" (Gary Krupa)
Re: Linux jingle (C. Costello)
help serial devices ("Anthony R. Pitts")
Re: How do i write window maker dock apps? (Brad Corsello)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (W Gerald Hicks)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Christopher Browne)
Re: The .pl- extension? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Christopher Browne)
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Christopher Browne)
Re: Small Biz Accounting Software (Christopher Browne)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Alexander Viro)
Re: Help w/ wildcard expressions (Jeff Graham)
Re: MCSE preparation exams (Wilder)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux kick me out
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:42:06 GMT
Hi,
Some time while I am working with linux it logg me out, and when I try to
loggin again it logg me in and out very quickly, I am using RH5.1 , and all
the security file kept to the default. and when I try to shut it down it stop
after completing level 6.
Help please, it is very annoying.
- Rayed
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Ghostscript driver for HP695C Printer??
Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:54:15 -0500
r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent) writes:
>> Could anyone tell me where to get a copy of gs driver for HP 695C
>> deskject printer? I found a file called hp850.zip but I couldn't
>> compile it.
> The gs driver for the 690C, 692C, 693C and 694C printers is the
> cdj550 so it would quite likely work for the 695C as well.
There's also a more specific third-party driver for the 670C which is
known to work for the 690; it should also work well for the other 690
printers. See http://www.erdw.ethz.ch/~bonk/hp850/hp850.html
Please let me know how it works so that I can update the HOWTO. See
http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
Cellphone information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/cell/
Libretto information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: directory removal program
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:37:22 GMT
Hi all..
I *know* there has to be an easier way than the way I've been trying
to do this..
Does anyone know of a small stand-alone program that will forcefully
remove a directory automatically instead of having to manually by hand
rm files, then rmdir directories??
If I untar a file that has an immense tree that it extracts, it takes
me half of forever to go through and remove all the unwanted files and
directories, one directory at a time..
An example of what I'm after is Window's deltree command. It removes
specified directories and all related files/subdirectories in one big
swoop.
Any url or ftp sites to download such an animal would be appreciated
(and my hands and fingers thank you too!)
Regards,
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jinsong Ouyang)
Subject: why do some processes die for no reason?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 04:03:38 GMT
I have been using RedHat Linux to run some Monte Carlo simulations.
Each job takes quite a while to finish. Sometimes, I found that
the job I submitted died for no reason. No core file is found.
The system is running well but the job disappears. But if you
submit the job again, the job may run all the way to the end
without any problems. So the problem seems to be random. I've found
this problem exists for both RedHat 4.2 and RedHat 5.2 and
for all the recent kernels. I guess this may be from SMP (I have
2 processors). But not sure at all. Does anyone have the same
kind of experience and solutions? Thanks.
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From: Gary Strength <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.admin,linux.help
Subject: Re: help needed mounting fd0
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:37:36 GMT
"S.J. Black" wrote:
> nitraat wrote:
>
> > Matteo Anselmi wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to mount , as root, my floppy
> > >
> > > # mount -o rw /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy and It works fine while I'm root,
> > >
> > > when I login as user my floppy is read only and I cant write or copy file on
> > > it.
> > > I'm a Linux novice and I'm looking for help.
> > >
> > > thanx in advance
> > > Matteo
> >
> > Try
> > mount /dev/fd0h1440 /mnt/floppy (/mnt/floppy must exist)
>
> or. more simply:
> mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
> --
> islandwolf
> "when a dachshund just isn't enough"
> Also, if you're trying to read a dos floppy;
mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM and location of files
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:30:08 -0600
Robert Crosbee wrote:
> When you intall an rpm package, how do you know where the files go? Im
> running kde on rh 5.2 and ive installed several rpm packages such as the
> kdeutils and kdegames but i cannot locate then anywhere on the disk.
If the package has been installed already "rpm -ql
[packagename]" will list the contents. If it hasn't been
installed yet you can use xrpm or TkZip to view the
contents.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Arynx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Love and Unix
Date: 20 Feb 1999 02:58:32 GMT
The following item may be of interest to readers of this newsgroup.
It appeared in a recent issue of the legendary Netsurfer Digest, the
oldest web-based e-zine covering various interesting and amusing things
in cyberspace.
The Digest can be found at: http://www.netsurf.com/nsd/
Love and Unix
Amid the Valentine's Day frenzy, we stumbled upon this little gem. It's a
touching essay on one man's love affair with a powerful cybernetic
abstraction - the Unix operating system. Thomas Scoville waxes eloquent
about the depth of feeling evoked by Unix, and throws in some not
undeserved swipes at its flashier, more gaudily made up rival, Windows NT.
Amusing.
http://unix.oreilly.com/news/unix_love_0199.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:48:49 GMT
On 19 Feb 1999 10:11:55 +0100, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose
to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>
>> I can only control and am only responsible for my own actions. That
>> others chose to buy a less safe vehicle is not under my control.
>
>But assuming the SUV is larger and heavier, thus causing more damage
>in a collision - would you advocate stricter penalties for reckless
>driving with a SUV than with a sub-compact?
No. Why should there be? The subcompact is just as big a hazard to
pedestrians and cyclists as the SUV is to the subcompact. Actually I
think the penalty for reckless driving anything should be a loss of
your driver's license for a very long time. We don't need anyone
driving like an ass in any class of vehicle.
>
>:-)
>
>> Your collectivist approach to responsibilty is incompatible with
>> freedom.
>
>Some of us do live in a society, which implies a compromise.
True. What Mr. Seerbach wants to do though is impose a safety system
based on the lowest common denominater. I find that to be
unacceptable. There is no reason that I should lower my level of
safety just because someone else cannot attain it. The SUV safety
issue is a smokescreen anyway. Semi-tractors without trailers and
trains kill more people in collisions in the US.
What Mr. Seerbach and his envirowhacko buddies really want to do is
bring the last class of truly safe vehicles left under the CAFE and
strict emissions controls standards. They are using this hysterical
safety non-issue in order to justify it.
>
>-kzm
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux has too many problems
Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:40:44 PST
In article <7ad3lv$e9r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"TomX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Extremely difficult to install. (take me one week to get installed)
Although, normally it takes a couple of hours to install Linux, it can
take many weeks for a newbie to get everything working. It took me
more than a month to get all these right - sound, ppp, printer, X with
best possible display (good resolution, refresh rate and high bpp),
zip drive, dual boot with NT etc. And I had good Unix programming
background. Due to the lack of commercial vendor support, installation
and configuration is an ardous task for a beginner.
In my opinion, multiple distributions and lack of standards have made
support a nightmare. I have been using Red Hat for 2 years and when my
friend recently asked for my help in installting SuSE, I found
installation and configuration of his system quite different and so
I had to do things slackware-style to get him a running system.
It is ridiculous that KDE has to distribute rpm files separately for
Red Hat, SuSE and Caldera even though they are all using RPM format.
Such fragmentation was the ruin for Unix and Linux community is
repeating such mistakes. I am aware of LSB initiative and I don't hear
much talk about it.
>From ISV viewpoint (for both free ISV like KDE and non-free like
StarOffice) and support organizations (like IBM), lack of standards is
a big hurdle and for users, it is confusing and frustrating.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: 20 Feb 1999 05:34:07 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill Polhemus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Why not persuade the folks at IBMS PSP (Personal Software Products, or whatever
>name they go by these days; they're in Austin, Texas) to port OS/2's Presentation
>Manager to Linux!?!?
>PM was THE reason I was so in love with OS/2. It adhered pretty strictly to the
>established CUA standards, was fully object oriented, fast and smart as a whip.
>Even in the OS/2 2.1 version, Windows 98 could only DREAM of being so tight!
I think this would be a great idea. I also like PM and found it ery
powerful. I suspect however that it would require at least some changes
to the filesystem (ie kernel changes) because of the Extended Attributes
associated with each file, which is what the power of OS2 really needs.
Unfortuately IBM's commitmant to Open Source is pretty low.
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From: Gary Krupa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: new named won't work w/o "kill -HUP"
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:27:28 GMT
I'm using slackware v. 3.5. I'm running a nameserver. To my chagrin,
after booting with named installed, the nameserver won't run after
starting ppp. In order to activate it, I have to type "kill -HUP <pid>".
This is a nuisance.
However, just for the hell of it, I decided to substitute my old named
program for the new one. And it worked fine! I was able to run nslookup,
netscape, etc. i.e. any program that relies upon nameservice.
The old named isn't perfect either. It refused to work after I typed
"kill -HUP <pid>" the first time. But at least it works without having
to restart the program.
Is the problem I've described due to a bug in the new version? Or is
there something in the DNS setup that I need to fix? The biggest
difference between the two named versions thus far, is the requirement
to do "kill -HUP <pid>" after booting.
Gary Krupa
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C. Costello)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux jingle
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:28:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brodo wrote:
>Hey Cool. The original is neat, but how to play mp3's anyone???
>
Download mpg123.
--
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. Now
I'm beginning to believe it.
-- Clarence Darrow
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From: "Anthony R. Pitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help serial devices
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:23:25 +1000
Hello people I have just installled RedHat Linux 5.2 on my Cyrix 6x86 233
Everything went well I though tthe inmstall would be a nightmare as I had
heard horror stories.
However Booting is fine and it loads just great but I have one small
problem. I can't use my mouse which is a microsoft compatible [serial] and
I installed it to the correct port com1 under dos but to no avail. It loads
and looks pretty but I have no functionality without a mouse. Could anyone
please help. If anyone from Australia is reading this I installed RedHat
Linux 5.2 from the March 1999 Australian pcWorld Cover CD.
Thanking you in advance
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Corsello)
Subject: Re: How do i write window maker dock apps?
Reply-To: bcorsello@usa.#NOSPAM.net
Date: 20 Feb 1999 05:44:11 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:26:44 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>is there any documentation about it ?
>
>
>pleasse reply to me directly
Why don't you just get the source to a dock app you like and clone it?
--
Brad Corsello, New York, NY. (Remove #NOSPAM from reply-to address.)
No animals were harmed in the writing of this message.
Check out my cats' home page: http://members.xoom.com/bcorsello/cats.html
*** Powered by Linux 2.2.1.
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From: W Gerald Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:01:00 GMT
Shaun Rowland wrote:
>
> The truth is both are very good, period. Linux and FreeBSD are both of very
> high quality. I would suggest that anyone interested in either try them out.
> If they find they like the Unix environment, give the other a try. I started
> out on Slackware 3.0. I liked upgrading it from the 1.2.13 kernel to 2.0, as
> it was a small challenge. I then moved on to Red Hat 4.2. Red Hat was
> interesting because it was more package based. This was a convenience, but I
> still longed for more of a source code approach. I have since moved to
> FreeBSD 3.0, and I must say that I am impressed. I now run FreeBSD on
> everything except my laptop. I love it. With FreeBSD I get the benefits of
> package based distribution (dependency checks, ect.) along with the building
> from source code aspect in the ports collection. Red Hat can also build
> binary rpms from source, but it is not quite the same, although this doesn't
> mean that one system is inherently better than the other.
[snip]
I submit that the FreeBSD ports collection, when kept current with
CVSup,
makes it inherently better than RedHat's approach. My friends who use
RedHat
are usually lagging behind in terms of updates and fixes to their
installed
software.
IMHO, Debian fares a little better that RedHat in this area, but we'd
still
like to see a ports subsystem backed up by anonCVS/CVSup become
available
for our Linux-oriented friends. It's all done with standard *nix tools,
so there is no reason why this couldn't be implemented on Linux.
Cheers,
Jerry Hicks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:47:59 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:05:16 GMT, Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:56:34 -0500, Robert S. Sciuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>the turn of the century ... it takes away others rights to derive
>>proprietary products. That is something to which I cannot subscribe.
>
>What rights are those, exactly?
It is an interesting assertion that people have some inherent "right" or
"entitlement" or other such notion of "expectation" to make use of
software in whatever way they like.
It is not generally borne out in most of the licenses used for different
sorts of intellectual properties; most licenses relating to things
regarded as "intellectual property" have fairly stringent criteria as to
what may be done with derivative works.
The claim that people should be entitled (on some inherent basis) to
take software that is being called "free software" and to establish an
inherent "right" to do anything in particular with that software is
every bit as much of a leap as it is when the GPL indicates that there
are certain *privileges* that it reserves to the original author of a
software work.
--
[In response to deprecations of the use of <linux/*.h>] ...I prefer code
that only compiles on Linux... I really don't care to help other
operating systems grow. -- Albert D. Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: The .pl- extension?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:48:00 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:47:19 +0100, M.C.F. van Deutekom
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Where does the .pl-extension stand for?
>Can a file with this extension be excuted or opened by another program?
Prolog.
There are a number of Prolog interpreters available for Linux; see the
URL below...
(Or perhaps the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister...)
--
[In response to deprecations of the use of <linux/*.h>] ...I prefer code
that only compiles on Linux... I really don't care to help other
operating systems grow. -- Albert D. Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/langobscure.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:48:17 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:59:51 GMT, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Stephen J. Tremblett writes:
>> I always assumed that was because the rpm/deb/etc packages are actually
>> were contributed by the maintainer to the FTP site. There are hundreds
>> of ftp sites that have Linux packages, and no real control over them, so
>> maintainers often have more current versions on their personal web pages.
>
>This is not true of Debian.
>
>> The FreeBSD ports is managed a little differently in that there is ONE
>> central 'contrib' place to get the official ports, thus the maintainers
>> know that is the place to put the package.
>
>And there is ONE official central place to get official Debian packages.
>All 2200+ of them.
Red Hat gets "bashed" rather heavily for somewhat private behaviour with
respect to the treatment of RPM packages; mostly unfairly.
The parallels between BSD Ports, RPM, and DPKG are *far* greater than
the differences. They all doubtless have some things to learn from the
other guys' approaches; it is unfortunate that people spend more time
griping over whether or not Red Hat is going to take RPM proprietary,
thereby leaving Slackware as the Only Remaining Linux than they do
thinking about how to make best use of the strengths of these various
systems...
--
"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which
differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are
even incapable of forming such opinions." (Albert Einstein)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:48:23 GMT
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:18:32 +0000, Matthias Warkus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:21:04 -0600...
>..and Greg Thorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[KDE]
>> I can't imagine that. Who would want all those apps glued into their WM?
>> That's kinda like integrating the browser with the OS. What a stupid
>> idea. I hope that the majority of KDE zealots aren't like that.
>
>You're wrong. You're wrong. The apps aren't glued into the WM. You
>need to understand this - they just use a common set of libraries.
>They are just like all the other applications, but they share the same
>look and feel.
Unfortunately, it has proven all too common for WM and Desktop
Environment to get confused for one another. One of the places where
the projects have Gotten Their Publicity Wrong.
>[schnibble]
>> Okay, that's all clearer now. So, in the future, apps developed can
>> either be programmed for X in general, or for GNOME?
>
>They can be so programmed as to use the Gnome API. They will run under
>plain X nevertheless, if the libraries are installed.
>
>Hell, I think I've got to do a screenshot for the unshaved masses - a
>screenshot to demonstrate what this is all about. Probably I will run
>a panel, a kpanel, a KDE app and a Gnome app all on the same screen
>and do a screenshot just for you to see that it's possible.
I don't think it's quite that simple.
If an application is programmed "for GTK," it starts getting less clear
whether that is:
- GTK, the library, or
- GTK, the GNOME-oriented library.
There are apps out there that are "just for GTK," as well as others that
are "just for Qt," that have no association with the respective desktop
environment projects.
>[schnibble]
>> Okay, finally, that makes sense. So is it possible to run both a GTK and
>> a WM theme at the same time? I guess the WM theme would only apply to
>> apps that are not GTK-aware.
>
>It would only apply to the WM itself.
That's a *bit* confusing, because while it only applies to the WM, the
WM controls the borders of the application, which means that it
*appears* to touch the application...
--
"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which
differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are
even incapable of forming such opinions." (Albert Einstein)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/xwindows.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Small Biz Accounting Software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:48:00 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:39:21 -0500, Sander Nyman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am looking for a robust Accounting Software package for small business
>(not a personal financial package) to run under Linux natively. I would
>appreciate recommendations. I would especially like to hear from other
>small business owners who are using an accounting software package under
>Linux.
>
>I have already visited http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/financelinux.html, but
>everything seems to be a work in development. I need to know what
>business people are using NOW in the Linux world, if anything.
>
>I am also looking for information regarding the possibility of running
>Peachtree Complete Accounting for DOS (version 11) under Linux. Can it be
>done effectively? How bad is there a performance hit? Anyone out there
>using it under Linux?
I have heard reports of people using Conetic C/BOOKS, and the InfoFlex
folks have been advertising ACCOUNTFLEX in Linux Journal for quite some
time now, which presumably suggests that they're getting some sales so
as to make it worthwhile to maintain the ads.
There may be a major "backlog" on the production of a free business
accounting package for Linux; there seems to be no lack of "more
expensive" options that likely *are* available today.
--
[In response to deprecations of the use of <linux/*.h>] ...I prefer code
that only compiles on Linux... I really don't care to help other
operating systems grow. -- Albert D. Cahalan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 19 Feb 1999 00:53:08 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
W Gerald Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[passed through fmt - what did you do with poor lines?]
>I submit that the FreeBSD ports collection, when kept current with
>CVSup, makes it inherently better than RedHat's approach. My friends
>who use RedHat are usually lagging behind in terms of updates and fixes
>to their installed software.
Agreed.
>IMHO, Debian fares a little better that RedHat in this area, but we'd
>still like to see a ports subsystem backed up by anonCVS/CVSup become
>available for our Linux-oriented friends. It's all done with standard
>*nix tools, so there is no reason why this couldn't be implemented on
>Linux.
D'oh. For binary upgrades (and keeping the system current,
keeping local packages/changes to packages alive, etc.) Debian is
probably more convenient than FreeBSD (via packages, that is). For
source... We have all stuff working for single packages (and it's
fairly similar to ports). We miss source dependencies between
packages. Tools? Heck, Debian source package consists of tarball
(pristine source), gzipped patch and a text file with signature. Untar,
patch, chmod +x several files in debian/ and say debian/rules binary.
First line in debian/rules being #!/usr/bin/make -f. Steps before the
last one can be done by dpkg-source -x foo.dsc (*.dsc - signature
file).
$ file `which dpkg-source`
perl script text
$
perl, tar, gzip, chmod and make - sounds like a normal tools for me.
Ports on Debian would be extremely nice, but personally I can live
without them. I can live with binary packages, assuming that I can
reproduce build process if I stumble across the bug. make world is
nice, but I usually have another massive make and/or CVS activity -
hacking on VFS stuff tends to produce a lot of it. Until userland takes
care of itself, upgrades from cron task and doesn't screw me up I don't
really care of the place where compile happens. I can reproduce it if
needed and that's enough for me. Ports system is aesthetically
superior, but for what *I* care dpkg and friends give me the same that
I'm getting from ports on *BSD. YMMV.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Graham)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.user-friendly
Subject: Re: Help w/ wildcard expressions
Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:58:26 -0800
You do realize you just did someones homework don't you?
In article <7agot2$7qb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Zuehl Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Larry Bados <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Please help a newbie get a grip w/wildcard expressions
>
>> What wildcard expressions would you use for the following:
>
>> 1) All files in the "/tmp" directory
>
>> syntax= ?
>
>ls /tmp or ls /tmp/*
>
>> 2) All files that contain a "w" in that directory (/tmp)
>
>> syntax= ?
>
>ls /tmp/*w*
>
>> 3) All files that start with "ab", contain an "e" and end with ".c"
>
>> syntax= ?
>
>ls /tmp/ab*e*.c
>
>> 4) All files that either start with "test" or contain the pattern "hi"
>
>> syntax= ?
>
>Example to list the files:
>
>ls -1 | grep -E "^test|hi"
>
>
>Hope that helps :)))))
>
>Regards,
>Hauke J.
>
>
--
Jeffrey Graham - Senior Systems Administrator (UNIX)
PGP public key by request - My opinions only, no one elses.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wilder)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: MCSE preparation exams
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:27:23 GMT
I have a ton of them most of them have a nice interface too. I will give
them to you for free if you really want them.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Lines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Not completely. I know a couple of professional Unix Sysadmins who value MCSE
>certification quite highly. Care to guess about the quality of work they turn
>out?
>
>Don't bother, I wont keep you in suspense. After working with one for a year,
>I've never seen him fix anything. He breaks something at least twice a week.
>He's very personable and spouts buzzwords in meetings. I've never seen the
> other
>one actually touch a unix box although I hear that she has. Since I've never
>seen her break anything, she rates quite a bit higher than the first.
>
>Both of them will ocassionally read newsgroups. Only at work of course.
>
>If this guy would accept a company P.O., they would order this stuff REAL FAST.
>
>Jayasuthan [VorHacker] wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Is this guy lost or what !
>>
>> : I have MCSE exam simulation prep materials for sale, $20 US each. Email for
>> : more information and list if interested.
>
___________________________
AJ Wilder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Maryland
Network Technician
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