Linux-Misc Digest #105, Volume #21 Wed, 21 Jul 99 05:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: DAT tape refuses to load - help? (coffee)
kppp setup solution! (Bernie)
Re: Linux tape backup crash? (Rod Roark)
Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap (Richard Kulisz)
Re: newbie wants advice (Rod Pinna)
help!!! "ifdown ppp0" doesn't kill pppd or reset modem. ("Duy D.")
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Jim Richardson)
Re: File systems ("John D. Verne")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Jim Richardson)
Re: root password (Paul Anderson)
Re: Multimedia software (Holczhammer Mark)
Re: CIA assassinations (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Richard Kulisz)
Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
marxism vs. catholic church (Richard Kulisz)
Re: newbie wants advice (Chris Mahmood)
competition in sports --> steroids (Richard Kulisz)
What to do with RPM files? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Holger Kruse)
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From: coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: DAT tape refuses to load - help?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:18:37 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Having recently taken over the work of dealing with tape backups, I find
> that the device has never properly worked. Yes, I have cleaned it
> (rather a bit of dust inside) but that still has not solved the problem.
> Yes, the device takes DDS3 tapes - well that is what the manual says and
> they are the tapes supplied with it.
>
> I have just noticed that the startup log (dmesg) shows the controller is
> 'auto-terminated'. would it help if I changed the dip-switches to
> configure a terminator on the drive?
>From what you said it sounds like its not a termination problem. Correct
me if Im wrong but for the most part if it was a termination problem
then the system would have problems sensing the drive is there or very
flaky opertations.
I would be interested to know if - with the cover off - when you stick
the tape in do you get slack in the take up reel when you load a tape?
If the beginning of the tape cannot be found it will attempt it again
and then eject the tape. Ive also seen this behavior on a drive where
the end of tape sensor was bad.
This is of course if its a hardware problem. But if it doesnt even load
the tape then its almost has to be a problem with either the tape or the
drive.
--
coffee at indy dot net * ICQ 1614986
Kokomo, Indiana, USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernie)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: kppp setup solution!
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:28:54 GMT
Hi all,
I had kppp dial-up setup proplems with kde in the Mandrake 6
distribution (which is based on RedHat 6).
The problem was that whatever I tried, the error message was:
the ppp daemon died unexpectedly
The current official solution to this setup problem which appears to
be caused by the distribution is:
Change the modem speed under the modem tab of the kppp setup once.
After the change, (I set it up from 57,000 to 115,000) you
can change it back to what you like.
Regards,
Bernie
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux tape backup crash?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 04:48:05 GMT
Chip Coldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've been having serious problems doing tape backups under Linux: namely
>the backup (using either 'tar' or 'dump') proceeds nicely until suddenly,
>without warning, the entire system freezes. I've had the same problem
>with both 2.0.36 (RedHat 5.2) and 2.2.5 (RedHat 6.0) kernels, using several
>different kinds of SCSI tapes and SCSI controllers. Does anybody have a
>clue?
Are you by any chance running dual CPUs? I recently had a persistent
problem like this that went away when I booted up a non-SMP kernel.
-- Rod
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Sunset Systems Preconfigured Linux Computers
http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap
Date: 21 Jul 1999 05:43:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The dictatorship of the proletariat is no better than any other
You are oh so wrong. You might as well say that any non-zero murder
rate is equivalent to any other non-zero murder rate. The heart of
the matter is whether you favour a minority or a majority. Some people
are gonna get screwed no matter what, the question is how many and
how much.
>dictatorship...or, as Robert Heinlein put it, in his classic _The Moon Is a
>Harsh Mistress_, "I am a royalist because I'm a democrat. Only a king can
>protect the people from tyranny, including the worst of tyrants -
>themselves."
What a load of crap. "I'm a right-winger because I'm a right-winger"?!
Heinlein was a fucked up asshole without the slightest grasp on reality.
>I'm not a royalist, but I can easily see the road to ruin of which Heinlein
>spoke. The people, left unchecked, will vote to take and take others' money
>and give it to themselves until there is no reason for anyone to do
>anything but take, at which point the whole economy collapses.
And why the bloody hell shouldn't workers take the *wealth* /they/
created in the first place?!
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From: Rod Pinna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie wants advice
Date: 21 Jul 1999 13:34:33 +0800
Anon User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Prof. Evens' address is a piece of good news, too. I was hoping that Linux
> was useful for math applications.
Well, in that case, Linux is quite useful. If you're willing
to pay, then Mathematica is available for linux, and its
runs *much* more stably than under windows NT, where I used
it previously.
There are also a number of free CAS systems availble. MuPad
is the most mature, and is very usable, and there is also
one called Yacas. If you prefer numerical stuff, then FORTRAN
(g77) is available. There is also a f90 to g77 converter.
For other scientific apps, have a look at
http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/index.shtml
Rod
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From: "Duy D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help!!! "ifdown ppp0" doesn't kill pppd or reset modem.
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:10:15 -0400
Hi all,
I use linuxconf to setup my ppp connection in Mandrake 6. I type ifup
ppp0 to connect, but ifdown ppp0 doesn't do anything (it doesn't kill
pppd nor reset the modem.) Is it a bug?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:43:17 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:11:48 GMT,
Anthony Ord, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>No. If Microsoft implement something that prevents their
>stuff talking to the servers, then people will stop buying
>their OS. That might seem hard to believe, but their
>resistance means nothing against the Internet. They have
>proved this themselves. How a juggernaut does a hand-brake
>turn...
>
>>Happens all the time. It happened with MS-CHAP and later
>>again with PPTP.
>
>PPTP is different because it is an end-to-end protocol. It
>gets moved from source to destination by the magic of RFCs.
>
>Are people still using PPTP? Even after all the holes that
>were picked out of it?
there's even a linux implementation now, although I don't know if
it's any good.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "John D. Verne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.misc
Subject: Re: File systems
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:02:08 -0400
Charles M wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any feel for how the various file systems for
> Linux, Be, and NTFS (Windows NT) compare in terms of reliability and
> features?
>
My $0.02: NTFS is a "logging" fs, which means that it is a bit more
tolerant about being turned off before it has a chance to sync. I've
also heard, but never confirmed, that it "defrags" on-the-fly, but most
modern filesystems do some sort of inode/block/whatever reordering
anyway.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:14:29 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 19 Jul 1999 18:53:37 GMT,
Ashley Penney, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On 19 Jul 1999 18:25:27 +0100, Phillip Lord ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
>:>>>>> "Ashley" == Ashley Penney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>:
>: Ashley> I wouldn't call short sightedness a horrible disease, I'm
>: Ashley> talking about the much more major diseases, and you
>: Ashley> generally know when you have those. :)
>:
>: Diabetes was fatal not that long ago, but it doesnt need to
>:be these days.
>
>Assuming Diabetes is passed down thru the genes, then it means that it
>will slowly spread until we all suffer from the same genetic weakness.
sickle cell anemia is genetic in nature, funny enough though, it turns out,
that if you have it, you are far less suceptible to malaria. And malaria
has the bigger fatality rate.
I heard that cystic-fibrosis (another genetic disorder ) conveys some
immunity to cholera, but I don't remember where I got that tidbit from.
<snippage>
>
>: Ashley> Sure, I don't want to die, but that doesn't mean I consider
>: Ashley> everyone else's death to be tragic. Hell, when you read how
>: Ashley> some of the people died they deserved it for their own
>: Ashley> stupidity. Darwinism works.
>:
>: Well I agree some people show a breathless degree of
>:stupidity. On the whole I think education is the best response to
>:this.
>
>I'd like to think that's so, but sadly education seems to be going
>downhill, often directly linked to the growing class size. It's a
>vicious circle that's hard to break. :/
>
Actually, plot the population curves vs education level, the more educated
the country becomes, the slower the population rate increase is. This is
close to 100% correlation. Same with wealth. The wealthier the group, the
less kids they have. There are numerous reasons for this, but it's easily
plotted with the relevent data.
>: Ashley> I feel empathy for a few people, I dislike the majority of
>: Ashley> people.
>:
>: Well I dont know the majority of the people. There are
>:very few people that I actively dislike, mostly those I can just
>:ignore.
>
yeah, that's wbout here I fit it.
>I dislike the general stupidity shown by most people, it's just one
>of the little things that bug me. I tend to come off a lot colder
>on Usenet than I do in real life. I tend to moderate my feelings in
>real life so as to not cause trouble. :)
>
>: Ashley> Thank you, it's always nice to be able to get involved in a
>: Ashley> decent discussion on usenet without it turning into a
>: Ashley> mud-slinging match.
>:
>: Ive never been one to sling mud. If I sit here and call you
>:all sorts of rude words, you aint even going to read what I say. I
>:dont learn what you think, you dont learn what I think, and we are
>:none the wiser.
>
>Amen to that! I just wish more people thought that way, I don't mind
>swearing etc, it's when the discussion ends up going in a loop, with
>both sides refusing to concede any points. The worst is when someone
>drags up a post you made at the start of the discussion and shouts
>about how your opinion has changed, that doesn't lead to useful
>discussions.
>
It's as if being able to change your mind, when faced with new info, were
somehow bad...
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: root password
Date: 20 Jul 1999 15:36:02 -0400
"Brad Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>WHAT!? Is this true? I must be missing something because this would be a
>HUGE security hole. There should be no way of getting root access without
>entering the root password. Can someone confirm/deny/explain the above?
>
If a potential intruder has physical access to the machine, there is no
security PERIOD. He can pop a bootdisk in and bring it up under his copy of
Linux, he can install a new hard drive, he can even set the computer on fire.
TTYL!
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From: Holczhammer Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Multimedia software
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:31:10 GMT
Hi,
I hope it will be also usefull:
http://shareware.netscape.com/computing/shareware/subcategory.tmpl?p=PC&category_id=355&subcategory_id=359&sortby=title&tlist=25
garfield (cats never eats pinguins :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 21 Jul 1999 07:19:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>They needed Russia off their backs, because they obviously wanted to
>break Western front.
>
>>After all, how did Lenin get in
>>Russia in the first place?
>
>In a sealed train provided by Germans.
If there was no pre-existing will to revolt in Russia then, assuming
all this isn't utter bullshit by someone who can't look up the Gini
index to utterly disprove his idiotic denial that concentration of
capital is a reality, why did the Germans give Lenin any money?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 21 Jul 1999 07:13:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the 20 Jul 1999 05:56:51 GMT...
>..and Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In "competitive" sports, there aren't any vultures preying upon the
>> athletes. In the "free market" such vultures are called consumers.
>
>In competitive sports, they're called fans and sponsors. Sheesh.
Good point. And if competition is bad even in sports then it should
only take a cursory look to find the carnage. Anabolic steroids come
to mind.
>[schnibble]
>
>Why do I even bother?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:00:23 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 20 Jul 1999 17:56:02 -0400...
..and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:44:00 +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> >It was the Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:03:29 +0600...
> >..and U. Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Phil Ward wrote:
>
> >At least Stallman has written non-negligible amounts of relevant code
> >in his life.
>
> I'd hardly call ESR's contributions ( parts of ncurses, giflib, and fetchmail )
> as well as the XFree86 video timings howto "negligeable".
Has he actually started any coding project? He seems to merely
maintain stuff that doesn't require much maintenance. But maybe that's
just wrong perception.
> It's certainly
> not as impressive as RMS's contribution, but it's a lot better than nothing.
> Look at it this way: it's pretty hard to do much with linux if you don't use
> ESR's software.
I suppose calling it "ESR's software" is an exaggeration (see above).
But nevertheless, this is a pretty useless discussion.
mawa
--
As soon as a drunk driver sees a roadblock, what does he do? He makes
a U-turn and *bang*, another roadblock related traffic accident!
-- Jimmy Tingle, on: Heat, NPR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:10:47 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 20 Jul 1999 16:49:54 -0400...
..and Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Humans most definitely *are* animals. Thinking that we're
> > > > > somehow special WRT the rest of wht lives on this planet
> > > > > is a dangerous form of hubris.
>
> > > Forgetting that humans are animals, that people also have an animal
> > > nature, is just very *dangerous*. Period.
>
> > I do not forget it. Full stop. (What does `period' mean?)
>
> You seem to.
>
> The "period" is a way of emphasing that my statement was unqualified.
> Pardon, it's an American English thing.
I know what `period' means :).
> > > > Nonsense. No matter how you argue, you won't get around the fact that
> > > > humans are capable of reasoned and abstract thought and that animals
> > > > don't.
>
> No, animals eat and breed and try to stay warm and dry. That describes
> us pretty well.
Yes. But it is not *all* we do. Listen, this discussion seems to have
reached a standstill. You know the story of the optimist saying that
the glass is half full while the pessimist says that it's half empty?
I say that as long as there is a trace of reasonable thinking, of
ideals and cooperation, we are human, and not animals.
You, on the other hand, claim that as long as there is a trace of
instincts and animal nature left, we are animals, and not human.
> > > We have hunger and lust. We're animals. Until we get rid of those,
> > > we're animals. We can try to not let our animal natures rule our
> > > activites, however.
>
> > This is exactly why we are not animals.
>
> Until we remove the urges to eat and breed and stay warm and dry, and
> live solely by reason and abstract thought, we will be animals.
This proves quite nicely what I said above.
> > > Where *did* you grow up, boy? You watch too much Star trek.
>
> > As a matter of fact, I don't watch Star Trek at all.
>
> You seem to be very idealistic, and have a poor knowledge of actual
> history.
Let's have a history quiz and see who's better. My knowledge of actual
history is anything but poor.
> > Staying at the subject, if you don't agree with this statement, please
> > explain to me why cultures tend to always come up with something
> > equating the `golden rule' independent of each other...
>
> If reason and cooperation are such intrinsic aspects of human nature, *all*
> cultures should have their own version of the golden rule, and they don't.
> Humans across a wide range of cultures may have recognised and may share
> common ideals, but they are just that- ideals.
I do not claim that they are more. Nevertheless, this is what makes
man human: that we have got ideals.
> You are right when you say that a necessary aspect of any society is
> cooperation, and that cooperation is a key reason to form a society at
> all. However, things tend to work out a little bit differently in
> practice. Most societies and cultures have been characterized much
> more by greed, violence, exploitation and the use and abuse of power
> to create elite groups that enjoyed favorable economic and reproductive
> conditions than by overt cooperation.
Of course I know, what do you think I am, an idiot? A first-former?
> > > > Of course that is based on human nature. You obviously misparsed me.
> > > > We should base our systems on human nature, not on false and
> > > > overgeneralising assumptions about human nature. Got me?
>
> Or on overly optimistic pictures of human nature that fail to take
> certain unpleasant realities into consideration.
>
> > > That's a nice sentiment. You should pay attention to it. You, a German,
>
> > Oh, how nice, a domainist. (I'm ignoring the hidden insult.)
>
> There's only the most general of insults there. I was pointing out your
> ironic lack of historical perspective. Half of my ancestors left Germany
> around the turn of the century. There's nothing inherently wrong with
> being German.
Of course not. The insult I was referring to was your hidden
implication that I am not doing my part of the constant work needed to
prevent what has happened (you use the term "N-word" to avoid
godwination) from happening again, and that is one of the worst
insults to a present-day German.
> [N-word snipped]
>
> If I'd wanted to use the N word I would have. I should have been more
> specific- I was hinting at the whole period covering the latter half
> of the 19th and first half of the 20th Centuries.
>
> However, if you insist, I'll add that National Socialism was the direct
> enemy of logic and reason and abstract thought.
If you think so... Nevertheless, it was something animals would *not*
have been capable of. As cynical as it may sound, this, too, is *human
nature* and not *animal nature*. Of course it's the dark side of human
nature. But it is not animal behaviour. Animals do not commit
genocide or coldly plan systems of oppression and destruction.
[schnibble]
mawa
--
A programmer knowing only Visual Studio will be lost at sea with vi /
make / cli. Now, you can argue that Grandma shouldn't need to know
esoterics like what an include search path is, and how to set it, but
programmers get no sympathy from me. -- Brian Hurt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: marxism vs. catholic church
Date: 21 Jul 1999 06:03:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That's especially hypocritical, given that marxism itself is a
>religion. Just a consistent religion, because marxism is not
>about science: science busily builds new model and tests
The depth of your idiocy ... nahhhh it's already more than amply
demonstrated by your denial of concentration of capital.
Marxism *does* build new models and test them. Marx and Lenin believed
that only economically advanced nations could undergo socialist revolutions.
The October Revolution proved them wrong and Trotsky updated Marxist theory
to account for it. In the original theory, workers are much more important
in an advanced society. In the updated theory, this remains the case but
petty bourgeois and capitalist structures are much more deeply ingrained
and overwhelm the greater importance of the proletariat.
>it, either formally like mathematics or empirically like natural
>sciences. Marxism builds Grand Unified Theory and then
>claims it to be The Truth, just like that, because they say so.
>Empirics shows all points in marxism to be moot, from theory of
>concentration of capital to classless society. The only reason it is
I wonder what reality you inhabit because it seems to share very little
with most peoples'.
>upkept is the FAITH. I despise and fight marxism precisely because I
>am skeptic.
No, you do because you're a moron. Don't try to sugar-coat it.
>Catholic Church is not so bad really, given the human nature! CC
*Fuck* *you*. The catholic church is just one of the most evil organizations
on the face of the bleeding planet! But then, it's a right-wing organization
so you love it just on general principle.
>has a few smart ideas. For example, it is "Turkish" model of
>operating, an official is for a few years here and he is quickly
>relocated elsewhere before he becomes corrupted by local connections.
Or before he comes to care for the afflicted population.
>Celibacy was introduced for evading problems with priests being
>corrupted for purpose of getting greater heritage for his children (a
>rather harsh measure, but effective, isn't it). And so on. The problem
>with CC is that it is huge _organization_. For an organization that is
>supposed to make us all angels, CC is quite realistic wrt devilish
>side of us.
The problem with the CC is that it's a bloody dictatorship.
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie wants advice
Date: 20 Jul 1999 18:11:48 -0700
Anon User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Prof. Evens' address is a piece of good news, too. I was hoping that Linux
> was useful for math applications.
absolutely--You have Mathematica, Maple, S-Plus, (of course) TeX and
LaTeX, IMSL, NAG, and soon SAS. Check out
http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/.
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: competition in sports --> steroids
Date: 21 Jul 1999 07:15:24 GMT
In article <o3Mk3.4321$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7mvsjs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Anthony D. Tribelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Ignorant and silly. The Olympics contains an extremely high degree of
>>competition and there is no destruction of the participants.
>
>What about that chick who broke a leg doing gymnastics?
What about all the people who take anabolic steroids? Oh, that's right;
those are perfectly safe, right?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What to do with RPM files?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:21:59 GMT
Hi, all,
I have Slackware 2.0.34 and recently I received this software that
comes in rpm format. How do I install it? Thanks a lot.
--
Regards,
Kevin
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 08:30:15 GMT
In comp.sys.amiga.misc Clifford Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Putting it simply, that's a load of crap.
> PAP anyone? Snipping the rest, since the entire arguments here seem to
> rest on CHAP, PPTP, and multimedia.
These are three examples, nothing more.
> Well, taking each of these, PAP is
> available pretty much across the board nowadays.
Really, it is ? At ALL ISPs ? Have you actually asked them all
if they support it ?
The point is that a lot of ISPs disable it on purpose, because
Microsoft promises "better security" with "encrypted passwords",
and for NT that means MS-CHAP, not CHAP.
Whether an ISP *could* support PAP is not the issue, but whether
he actually does, i.e. what software clients need to log on. Let
me assure you that without MS-CHAP support in the client a lot
of ISPs become "off limits". I have quite some experience in that
field, supporting tens of thousands of users at ISPs all over the
world.
> I used to work for one of the top ISPs in Chicago (in other
> words a pretty damned big ISP), and we did NOT support CHAP at all on our
> dialup pool.
Good, that's one reasonable ISP. But that ISP is not the
only one in the world, is it ?
> PPTP? *shrugs* It's easy enough to set up Windows
> machines to handle it without any "intermediate" intervention. Once
> again, we never configured a single thing to deal with PPTP.
Read again what I said, PPTP was originally a protocol only
used between routers within an ISP, but it is now increasingly
being used for VPNs to the client, in particular with cable modem
and ADSL setups.
> And
> multimedia? Like I said before....RealAudio and RealVideo are pretty
> much the way most things are nowadays. Although I've seen more streaming
> quicktime movies popping up. Cross platform in other words.
Not quite cross-platform. The outer standards (RTP etc.) are open,
but most of the codecs are patented and not easily available to
all platforms. We have had problems getting legal RealAudio
implementations for AmigaOS.
> In 3 years
> of watching Microsoft and the internet (going from 3.1 to 95 to 98, with
> a little NT tossed in on the side), due to the existing infrastructure, I
> never saw a single change made due to a "Microsoft technology".
Looks like you have never been on the implementation side then.
> Feel free to bring up other examples of where Microsoft has "pushed" a
> technology into widespread (close to exclusive would be even better!)
> acceptance as a "de facto" standard. The ones you've mentioned don't
> appear to be factors at all on the net. Simply "alternatives" offered by
> Microsoft that SOME shops have adopted.
The point is that if a certain number of ISPs *require* the use
of these "alternatives" then for the user they are no longer
alternatives, they become required features. And for vendors of
dialup software for non-Windows platforms who want to give their
customers as a wide a choice of ISPs as possible these features
become mandatory as well then.
You are only looking at this from the point of view of the ISP,
and then you are right, you have a choice. Not if you are in
the business of writing dialup software though, as I have done
over the last five years.
--
Holger Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.nordicglobal.com
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