Linux-Misc Digest #242, Volume #19 Mon, 1 Mar 99 04:13:17 EST
Contents:
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (brian moore)
notebook with AGP chip set (Dirk Arnold)
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (brian
moore)
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (Alexander
Viro)
Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT (Steffen Kluge)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info ("Michael Lee Yohe")
I'm having problems upgrading XFree86 to ver. 3.3.3 ("Cesar Freitas")
Re: Linux Compatible modem? ("Bill W")
Kernel 2.2.2 and ANSI
Re: Installation Error ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Linux FTP Client ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where are basic linux commands (brian moore)
Re: Learning Linux (Gary Momarison)
Re: Adding something to PATH? (Louise Adderholdt)
Re: notebook with AGP chip set (ChrisGoToo)
Interesting "analogy" - kernel panic ("Michael Lee Yohe")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: 1 Mar 1999 07:35:40 GMT
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:35:45 -0800,
Paul Hovnanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why anyone is crying over the PIII ID on a linux n.g. is beyond me.
> I am just sitting back, thinking about all the poor fools stuck with
> MS products laughing. On the other hand, it won't be long before someone
> writes a watchdog program for MS machines that will report the curent
> status of the ID enable/disable.
Except the watchdog may miss it. It's not very long to enable it, read
the ID, then disable it. (Though I do agree about those of us
blessed with Linux. :))
> Sites that require this ID will be provided with either the processor
> ID, or whatever I feel like sending them today. [I miss the feature
> in the old Mosaic browser that let me set the http-agent string].
I do that with Lynx all the time (for a while today, I was running a
text-mode version if IE, well, that's what Lynx was telling everyone...)
> Another thing to keep in mind. Many companies that operate intranets
> with firewalls and proxy servers do not want information on their
> internal network configuration sent out to the world. If it doesn't exist
> already, it would be easy to build a proxy that would strip all cookie
> and agent information from http packets.
http://www.anonymizer.com/ for one. :)
There are a couple more tricky hacks out for both Apache and Squid proxy
servers to strip cookies, discard ads, and strip animated GIFs to one
frame.
> The one use I consider to be benign, for which this ID has a legitimate
> use, is as a built-in 'dongle' for commercial s/w copy protection.
And it's really the only application that will work.
It "enables ecommerce" because it will allow vendors to get rid of CD
dongles.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Dirk Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: notebook with AGP chip set
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:25:09 +0100
I am planning to buy a notebook with an ATI Rage Pro LT AGP2x chip
set, and I've been told that this
is not supported very well by Linux (yet). Is this information still up
to date? Are there distributions which
support it better than others? Also, is the performance gain as compared
to a Neomagic or SMI Lynx E
chip set worth the price difference?
Thanks in advance,
Dirk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 1 Mar 1999 07:10:04 GMT
On 1 Mar 1999 01:13:37 -0500,
Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip praise to vold]
Really? I didn't mention vold at all.
What I like is the proper hardware. I'd love to have a floppy drive
that didn't have the giant 'press me' button on it but instead was
properly controlled via software. I'd love to have a floppy that would
generate an interrupt when I shived in a disk so the kernel would know
I did that without polling.
Crappy PC hardware doesn't do either, and regardless of how much I
change in the kernel, I can't make it do it properly.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 1 Mar 1999 02:50:04 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Really? I didn't mention vold at all.
>
>What I like is the proper hardware. I'd love to have a floppy drive
>that didn't have the giant 'press me' button on it but instead was
>properly controlled via software. I'd love to have a floppy that would
>generate an interrupt when I shived in a disk so the kernel would know
>I did that without polling.
<AOL> </AOL>
One addition: any mount-as-soon-as-inserted scheme is evil. Even on the
decent hardware.
>Crappy PC hardware doesn't do either, and regardless of how much I
>change in the kernel, I can't make it do it properly.
Ultra 5, meet Brian. Brian, meet Ultra 5. Notice big f*cking button on the
floppy drive. Insert the diskette. Say volcheck. Now say eject. Stare at
the drive. Nope, it doesn't eject the sucker. Stare at the screen. "...can
now be manually ejected". Arrrrgh. Say sysinfo. Stare at the output and
realize that yes, you are looking at the UltraSPARC box with IDE and no SCSI.
Seagate Medalist, my ass... Look at the front of box. See (left to right)
floppy drive; CDROM; big button asking every luser to press it. Yup, you
guessed right - reset. Mutter "fscking lusers from fscking Sun fscked up
fscking again". What's the bloody point in taking decent processor and
putting a shitload of braindead stuff around it? Screw'em. Next thing we'll
see will be SunSoft renaming Slowlartus 2.7^H^H^H7 to SunWindows 2000.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge)
Subject: Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT
Date: 1 Mar 1999 18:39:00 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What IRQ is the modem using? If it is not 3 or 4 (com 2 or 1) then you
>may need to get irqtune. The modem needs high priority interrupt service,
>and if not on 3 or 4 it won't get it causing lots of lost interrupts and
>resulting in slow throughput.
Talking of interrupts, you may also want to check out hdparm,
especially the unmaskirq flag. It basically makes the disk
interrupt handler interruptible by other interrupts, thus
preventing the disk from hogging the interrupt chain.
I'm using it mainly because it greatly improves mouse
responsiveness in X during disk I/O.
Hope this helps
Steffen.
--
Steffen Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fujitsu Australia Ltd
Keywords: photography, Mozart, UNIX, Islay Malt, dark skies
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:40:29 -0600
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
>> I think I can explain the fuss. People don't _want_ to be tracked
>> on the Internet. They only wish to provide identification info
>> to those sites they want to do business with.
>
>That's true.
Things that can be _fully_ disabled, not the software hack, by the BIOS
would eliminate all "threat" of having your identity spewed across the
wired. The Pentium III was never meant to have the Chip ID on whether you
liked it or not. The BIOS itself can deny any query to the chip's ID.
>It is, however, quite useful for "download this version of Word22 for
>your system" and ensure that people don't copy it to every system on
>their network, or burn a CD with it and move it around that way.
>
>That's why the instruction is there: so software could be tied to a
>given CPU.
True - however, it _must_ remain optional for several reasons:
1) By the end of the year 1999 we will have seen about 1% of the market
shift from pre-P3 processors to the new P3.
2) Anti-trust laws dictate that even simple authentication over
phone/Internet cannot be _forced_.
3) Major software manufacturers are _already_ aware of this whole
"skepticism" about the chip ID. -- you know, we are not geniuses in
figuring this out.
4) The people who are excited about it are those who are the most paranoid
about it.
>(Of course, at this moment the P3 isn't worth it anyway, but that's
>typical Intel pricing policy.)
This is pretty funny considering I was absolutely amazed at the introductory
price of the P3-500. The 450MHz P2 started out at $875 per quantities of
50. The 500MHz P3 started out at $600 per quantities of 100 - which means
an end-user could see a $700-800 price tag versus the $950 price tag of the
450.
But, I agree that the processor isn't worth $600 when you can by a Celeron
400MHz processor @ $150 or an AMD K6-3 450MHz @ $225.
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From: "Cesar Freitas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I'm having problems upgrading XFree86 to ver. 3.3.3
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:45:33 -0300
I'm having problems upgrading XFree86 to ver. 3.3.3, so always I tried to do
it using "rpm -Uvh XFree*" where the files .rpm are some of them returns the
msg "libttf.so.2 is needed to install XFree..... ". I have already instaled
freetype 1.2 and the file libttf.so.2 is present.
Any help will be welcome!!!
[ ], Cesar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Bill W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Compatible modem?
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:51:14 -0600
FWIW, I have a SupraExpress 56 external. It works fine.
I have Mandrake so using Kppp to set up dial out, there is a box you check
for CD assert (CD being carrier detect). If you check it then the modem
believes it has a carrier whether it does or not ( I believe this is true,
you may want a second opinion) but I do know that it works better with the
box unchecked.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Where do you disable this option? I have a dual 56K zoom also.
>It seems to dial and connect OK, but I can't log on manually or
>start ppp... Just sits there for a minute and then disconnects.
>Is this similar to the problem you were having?
>
>Thanks!
>
>On 28 Feb 1999 01:51:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (william) wrote:
>
>>I have the Zoom 56K, and it would not work until I disabled the assert CD
>>line option.........then smooth sailing.......
>>
>>In article <7aj54i$p4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] blabbers:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>Could you tell me whether I can use either a Diamond Supra Express 56K
v90
>>>modem or a ZOOM DUalMode 56K modem with Linux?
><snip...>
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel 2.2.2 and ANSI
Date: 1 Mar 1999 06:24:55 GMT
I make use of ANSI characters all the time on my slackware 3.6 linux
console. I use BitchX, and i have an ANSI prompt. While using the default
2.0.35 kernel that comes with slack3.6, ANSI displayed fine. But then I
compiled kernel 2.2.2 and ANSI characters look like norwegian letters. How
do I fix this? Since the only thing that changed was the kernel, i assume I
left something out of the kernel?
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installation Error
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:51:25 -0600
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
>Anybody had an idea to resolve this error ?
Some older BIOSes allowed you to turn off the math co-processor on your
system. Look for this setting and try it. The "coupling" part was to
ensure that your math co-processor is correctly "listening" to the main
processor for floating point instructions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux FTP Client
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:29:45 GMT
Hello all, we have just released our JFTP client application(Beta 6).
We are looking for feedback from the linux community with regards to its
performance.
Please let us know how it functions on the various flavors and versions of
OS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Where are basic linux commands
Date: 28 Feb 1999 18:44:46 GMT
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:46:36 -0800,
George F. Laun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a beginner at RedHat Linux and don't even know the basic commands
> like MD, COPY & etc. Where can I find them?
Those are DOS commands.
Try 'mkdir' and 'cp' for the originals.
Get a good book on Linux and spend the afternoon reading it and playing
with your system.
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Learning Linux
Date: 28 Feb 1999 11:00:06 -0800
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hey,
>
> I just migrated over from that other operating system [hereinafter TOOS]
> that most people run on x86 boxes, and I find myself both thrilled and
> frustrated. Many of you are probably unaware of the brain rot that TOOS
> can cause, as the user clicks her/his life away, never having to think
> about a thing.
>
> I got into Linux primarily because I found the prospect of *learning* and
> *understanding* what was going on inside my box irresistible - but I am
> having a difficult time finding a good source of information. The Matt
> Welsh book put out by O'Reilly was really good, but a little dated. I
> also tried SAMS' 'Unleashed' book, but the writing is terrible, and too
> much of that book is 'How to do this...' I want to know how this works!
> Since I was actually raised on MS-DOS, the command-line is not totally new
> to me, and I have some background in C, just to give you an idea of where
> I'm coming from.
>
> Any suggestions? I appreciate everybody's patience with yet another
> ignorant newbie, by the way.
I think I know just what you're looking for:
"Inside Linux", "A Look at Operationg System Development"
By Randolph Bentson
Published by SSC - Specialized Systems Consultants, Inc. (Linux Journal)
ISBN 0-916151-89-1
Copyright 1996
It doesn't say how to do much if anything, but tell you lots about
how things (mostly the OS kernel, filesytems, IO, etc.) work.
With some digging, you could also find related info using:
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/learning-linux.html
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/kernel.html
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/shells.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louise Adderholdt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Adding something to PATH?
Date: 1 Mar 1999 08:00:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:00:31 -0500, GC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How do I add a directory to my PATH in linux?
>
>Thanks
If you're using bash, the syntax is 'export PATH=$PATH:[dir]:[dir]:...'
Put this in .bashrc, including any new directories in [dir], and this
should work.
Ksh is just the same, but csh and it's derivatives are different. (I
forget how just now.)
Louise Adderholdt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ChrisGoToo)
Subject: Re: notebook with AGP chip set
Date: 1 Mar 1999 08:22:08 GMT
here, here.
I got me a lill laptop with that very card.
I dont know anyone who could get xfree86 working on this badboy.
apparently acceleratedX might work,
but as soon as someone figures out xfree, please let me know too.
thanks.
chris26
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Interesting "analogy" - kernel panic
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:12:29 -0600
After reading the newsgroups (comp.os.linux.*) for a while, I come up with
the interesting analogy that will probably cause some Linux die-hards to
surge.
"kernel panic" == "blue screen"
<grin>
Which leads me to a story of a Linux 1.2.8 box. I was attempting to train a
new guy in the workings of Linux. I gave him the do's and don't do's about
Linux. One of which was to NEVER delete the password file. And, of course,
because the clever system administrator that I was, I proceeded to type:
"rm -f /etc/passwd" as root. And said, "Never ever ever ever do this."
Then, mistakenly hit enter.
Bad mistake. Linux forgets who "it" is and who "you" are. "I don't know
who you are -- go away!" messages will spam your screen with an occasional
kernel panic when Linux accesses root-protected memory space. *grin*
Anywho.. kernel panic == blue screen.
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