Linux-Misc Digest #331, Volume #19 Sat, 6 Mar 99 10:13:22 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Re: Public license question (David Kastrup)
Re: Public license question (David Kastrup)
Re: newbie! Lexmark 5700 printer...HELP! (Ken Kan)
Re: Can Linux run on NT for stability? (Tom Betz)
Re: Small version of Linux (LarsErik Johansson)
Re: Text editors (David M. Cook)
Re: Linux Versions (Ralf Heger)
binary-level debugger (Jens Olav Nygaard)
cron + scripts (Marko Brandes)
Iomega Zip - Error 27010000, imm (Michael Augustin)
Re: ATI Mach64 and X-Windows. (Philippe Wautelet)
Problems with maple after upgrade (Bernhard Rau)
Re: Linux suxxxx (Jim Henderson)
Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes? (Harry)
Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5? (jik-)
Re: Where to find suse rpms? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NT-linux dual boot (Rod Roark)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:01:08 GMT
On 28 Feb 1999 23:22:34 -0800, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
wisdom:
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>>>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Arthur> Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:01:53 -0800, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>
> >> >Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote: >
> Arthur> [snip]
>
> >> >You may have the facts right in the instance cited where 3
> >> women >died - you haven't cited any source.
> >>
> >> Look it up if you don't believe me.
>
> Arthur> I did - didn't find anything except someplace where I
> Arthur> could buy the transcript of the trial. I never said I
> Arthur> didn't believe you, or that I believe you either.
>
> >> > Michael did cite one source >for an out of court settlement
> >> in a different case involving the >Pinto gas tank.
>
> >> Micheal cited one Ford report and then deliberately
> >> misinterpreted it.
>
> Arthur> I don't recall that he did any misinterpretation at all.
>
>Well, the old saying is, "You can lead a man to a idea, but you can't
>make him think." In the case of the "Mayor," if a top Ford executive
>came out on the Larry King show and said, "Yeah, we knew those tanks
>were defective," the "Mayor" would persist in his state of denial.
>If a written report won't sway his opinion, it simply shows that his
>opinion is not based on fact but on prejudice.
I've explained to you twice what that report really says. That you
keep insisting that it was part of some conspiracy by Ford to murder
people says more about where your opinions come from than mine.
That you have no rebuttal of my facts and opinions other than
invective and ad hominum says much about your the state of your
argument.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 06 Mar 1999 14:28:18 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood) writes:
> I think this is a case where the ambiguity of copyright law wrt
> software works against the goals of RMS. Rather than ignore the
> ambiguity or say that a certain action is against the "spirit of
> copyright law", perhaps the GPL should explicitly close that
> loophole. Otherwise, what you have is RMS saying that's it is
> illegal to *use* a GPL'd library under certain conditions even
> though he has no legal backing to do so. And we'll continue to have
> discussions like this...especially now with more people using things
> like CORBA.
You have to understand that RMS is entirely against copyright
protection of software. The legal interpretation of copyright and
derived works is dictated by the courts. The purpose of the GPL is to
create a software pool where copyright is essentially abolished.
If the *law* will choose to say that a derived work is not one that
depends on the existence of another work without which it cannot be
used and with regard to which it was designed, then that will be fine
with RMS. If the law decides not, he does not see the point in not
using this protection granted to software hoarders for his means of
discouraging software hoarding.
The ideal world for RMS will be one where none of the clauses of the
GPL is enforceable, because then *all* software will be as he wishes
it to be -- free. As that is not the case, he uses the legal
machinations in order to protect the free software pool he is involved
with from unilateral exploitation without contribution.
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David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 06 Mar 1999 14:34:12 +0100
Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >RMS is wrong about the 'spirit' of the copyright. Copyright was created
> >for the pourpose of inovation...and here is were it really goes away
> >from his ideas...
>
> I think it actually plays right into his ideas. If RMS couldn't use
> copyright to spread his notion of software freedom, he wouldn't have
> innovated as much software, and others wouldn't have built from it.
And nobody else could use copyright to restrict access to his code, so
he would not have needed to invent the GPL. And software would be
free, anyhow.
RMS uses the weapons he finds distasteful for protecting a free
software pool. I don't think he would mind at all if the protection
of copyright was mostly abolished, even though this would make
*source* hiding a much more important game than it is now.
Hiding engineering tends to reduce the usefulness of software, too,
and so the GPL does achieve something beyond just free copying. But I
guess the "helping you neighbour" objectino would then more or less
cease.
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David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: Ken Kan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie! Lexmark 5700 printer...HELP!
Date: 6 Mar 1999 13:31:41 GMT
Sorry to inform you that both you and me (too) will not work with this
model. Lexmark uses proprietary printing protocol and copyrighted it. It is
only a windoze printer and can only live under windoze. Try HP because
there is a ppa (or else) to solve.
root wrote:
> I have a Lexmark 5700 printer and I'm trying to set it up under Linux. I
> tried to set it up as a text only printer but it won't print at all. Can
> anyone tell me how to set this up correctly? (I mean set it up as a good
> graphics printing printer under Linux)?
>
> I've installed RH 5.1 in my Pentium-350. Please help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kaushik
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Betz)
Subject: Re: Can Linux run on NT for stability?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 08:37:32 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoth Hugh McCurdy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|moi wrote:
|>
|> I have found my NT server very reliable, and want to run Linux on it. Is this
|> possible? I know some people say Linux is stable, but I don't want to take a
|> chance.
|>
|> moi
|
|Both NT and Linux are operating systems. They both can't run as
|operating systems on the same computer at the same time.
Actually, using VMWare for NT, one could run Linux under NT.
Though I can't imagine why one would want to, when the opposite
alternative is also available...
<http://www.vmware.com>.
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:46:18 +0100
From: LarsErik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Small version of Linux
Debian�s base system can be installed from floppies (5 floppies + 3). Then
you can choose which .deb files you want to install and transfer them to
your computer with, for example, floppies. It works fine with my old
laptop (without CD). I�d strongly recommend debian for those who want a
linux distribution on a machine without CD/SCSI.
//Larsa
>
> There are many varieties of Linux-on-a-floppy available. Some of them (eg
> MicroLinux) are impressively extensive. If that's what he's looking for,
> probably any on the ones mentioned would suffice.
>
> If he's looking for a real Linux *distribution*, in the common sense of the
> term, I don't know of any on floppies. Distributions are simply too large
> and sophisticated these days to be reasonably distributed in 1.44M chunks.
> This is a good thing.
>
> -Tom
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Text editors
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:48:24 GMT
On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 03:37:01 -0800, Greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've just installed Red Hat 5.2. I am wondering if there is any
>window-based editors.
You might try any of the various editors (I've lost track) that come with
KDE or GNOME. TkDesk comes with a great little notepad-like editor, but it
requires that you install an old Tcl/Tk. Nedit has already been mentioned.
Things that come with Redhat: mcedit (part of the mc package), pico (part of
the pine package), joe, jed/xjed, emacs, xedit, xwpe/xwe, vim/gvim.
>I'm looking for an editor that works like textedit or jot on other UNIX
>workstations or something like notepad in Windows95/98. Something simple
>to create .txt, .html or .c files. Please help.
JED is what I use for quick editing and for mail and news (by setting the
EDITOR and VISUAL env variables). I use XEmacs for programming and HTML. I
used pico for years, but that became a bit too simple-minded for my needs.
Here's a huge comparative listing of editors:
http://www.bsyse.wsu.edu/~rnelson/editors/editors.htm
See also http://members.home.com/davecook/devel/#edit
Dave Cook
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From: Ralf Heger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Versions
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:29:20 +0100
Helmut Nachbauer wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to try linux - yes ! but ...
>
> there are different linux versions like S.u.S.E, Debian, RedHat....
> furthermore with various Version-numbers ...
These are not linux versions. What you are talking about are the various
distributions of linux.
You probably think of the linux kernel version. Thats currently 2.0.36
if
I'm not mistaken. And that is the one that will be included in all the
distributions.
>
> Please help me !
>
> With which Linux Product should I start ?
If you want to get started with linux, S.u.S.E. is the distribution
which
will give you not too much grief, since it is the one with quite
streight
forward configuration tools like yast and sax.
More experienced users are not to keen on S.u.S.E. for the reason
that they are to restricted in manipulating configuration files.
> What are the major differences between the miscellaneous products ?
At the end of the day it is a personal decision.
My recommendation would be S.u.S.E. to get started.
>
> thanx a lot !
>
> cu, helmut
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From: Jens Olav Nygaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: binary-level debugger
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:57:42 -0100
Does anybody know of alternatives to gdb? I guess gdb can be used, but
it's mainly a source-level debugger if my picture is correct...
Jens Olav Nygaard
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From: Marko Brandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cron + scripts
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:45:25 +0100
Hi there,
i'm running Linux with kernel 2.0.36 on my PC.
I created a script which daily clears my 'tmp' directory (called
'cleartmp').
The script itself executes fine, but if i try to call it by cron nothing
happens. Not even a mail is send that something went wrong.
My crontab entry is:
0 0 * * * root /usr/bin/cleartmp
Any ideas?
Tia Marko.
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From: Michael Augustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Iomega Zip - Error 27010000, imm
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:09:34 +0100
Hi,
I�ve problems with my iomega zip drive.
1. It don�t work whit the ppa-driver (it�s a 100MB parallel port, but it�s new
and thatswhy it could work with the imm-module.
2. I compiled a new kernel (2.2.1) whit scsi-support as module, parallel port
also as module, with imm support - as module.
3. When I load the imm-driver many messages appear in /var/log/messages -> look
pasted text folowing this lines. The scsi host (iomega parallel) is detected.
========== snip ===============
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [SPP,PS
2,EPP]
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: parport0: no IEEE-1284 device present.
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: imm: Version 2.03 (for Linux 2.0.0)
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: imm: Found device at ID 6, Attempting to u
se EPP 32 bit
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: imm: Communication established with ID 6 u
sing EPP 32 bit
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: scsi0 : Iomega VPI2 (imm) interface
Mar 5 00:56:50 pitti kernel: scsi : 1 host.
Mar 5 00:56:51 pitti kernel: Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100
Rev: J.67
Mar 5 00:56:51 pitti kernel: Type: Direct-Access
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
============= snap ===========
Then I use the drive for instance with "fdisk /dev/sda" or try a "mount -t vfat
/dev/sda4 /mnt". At this moment the following messages appier in log.
========== snip ==============
Mar 5 00:57:56 pitti kernel: Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0,
channel 0, id 6, lun 0
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. S
ectors= 196608 [96 MB] [0.1 GB]
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda: Write Protect is off
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda:SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id
6 lun 0 return code = 27010000
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: unable to read partition table
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: SCSI error: host 0 id 6 lun 0 return code
= 27010000
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended s
ense 0
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device sd(8,0
)
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : status = 0, message = 00, host = 1,
driver = 27
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : sense not available.
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes,
disk size 1GB.
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda:scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:00, sector
0
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: unable to read partition table
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: SCSI error: host 0 id 6 lun 0 return code
= 27010000
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: ^ISense class 0, sense error 0, extended s
ense 0
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device sd(8,0
)
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : status = 0, message = 00, host = 1,
driver = 27
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : sense not available.
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes,
disk size 1GB.
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: sda:scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:00, sector
0
Mar 5 00:57:57 pitti kernel: unable to read partition table
============ snap ================
What does the error number 27010000 mean? What says "READ CAPACITY failed"?
here my module list before modprobe imm:
========== snip ===============
Module Size Used by
ne 6480 1 (autoclean)
8390 6212 0 (autoclean) [ne]
dummy0 684 1 (autoclean)
serial 17076 0 (autoclean)
nls_cp437 3548 2 (autoclean)
vfat 11388 2 (autoclean)
fat 24864 2 (autoclean) [vfat]
========= snap ===============
and after loading
========== snip ====================
Module Size Used by
sd_mod 15516 0 (autoclean) (unused)
parport_probe 2884 0 (autoclean)
parport_pc 5020 1 (autoclean)
imm 9352 0 (unused)
parport 6788 1 [parport_probe parport_pc imm]
scsi_mod 48712 2 [sd_mod imm]
ne 6480 1 (autoclean)
8390 6212 0 (autoclean) [ne]
dummy0 684 1 (autoclean)
serial 17076 0 (autoclean)
nls_cp437 3548 2 (autoclean)
vfat 11388 2 (autoclean)
fat 24864 2 (autoclean) [vfat]
============= snap =====================
thanks Michael
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From: Philippe Wautelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATI Mach64 and X-Windows.
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:20:38 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have an ATI Graphics Xpression using the same chipset and went to the ATI
> home page. They have some usefull info there. But if your card is like
> mine, the best you can get is 8bpp at 640x480 because the current version of
> the MACH64 Server does not support any higher for the card. That is
> according to ATI Technologies.
I've got also a Mach64 card and I had the same problem (the maximum resolution
I got was 640x480 in 8bpp). The solution I found was to use the option
override_bios (or something like this, I don't have access to this computer for
the moment) (see the HOWTO for the Mach64 server).
Now, I can use my ATI card in 1024x768 in 16bpp at 75Hz.
====================
Philippe Wautelet
Research assistant
Applied aerodynamics
Universite de Liege, Belgium
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Bernhard Rau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Problems with maple after upgrade
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:19:45 +0200
Hello,
I just upgraded my computer from Linux RedHat 4.2 to RedHat 5.2.
Ever since, my 'maple' (or, to be more
specific, my 'xmaple') doesn't work properly. I can start it and do
regular computations just fine. If I want to
graph something (i.e. if I want 'xmaple' to open a new window for the
graph), a core file is written and no window
pops up. 'xmaple' keeps running and doesn't seem to be affected by this
at all.
I probably just forgot to install one or more rpm's, however, I have
no idea which ones and how to find this one
out. Any idea what to do? Is there an easy way to 'read' the core file
and trace back the error? Well, any input
is appreciated. Thanks,
Bernhard
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From: Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux suxxxx
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:03:56 -0700
Alan Gauld wrote:
> I don't understand why Windoze?novell users seem to need a GUI to
> do everything. Whats so hard about editing text?
*Please* don't put those of us who work on NetWare networks in with
those who do Winblows....We have our dignity (and our stable servers!).
I just wish Novell had left the text-based utilities in NetWare 5. Many
of them are gone. Thank God I have my NW411 servers that still have
these utilities. ;-)
I'm still learning Linux (got Redhat 5.1) and am still having problems,
but I'm not ready to give up. I hate to let software beat me. <g>
Now, if I could get IPX working and my AWE-64 PnP working, I'd be
happy. I'd still have to run Win9x because I have to support it, but at
least I could do my support from a robust and stable operating system.
Overall, other than the lack of support for the EISA CPQS710 controller
(in a Prosignia VS) and the inability to get my SB card to work (though
I've gotten really good at building the kernel <G>), I've found the
setup to be pretty easy.
Jim
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Homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~jhenderson (email instructions
located here)
Please note that as an NSC SysOp, I do not provide support for Novell
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:21:21 -0500
Apologies to non-UK readers...
My local bookshop, Mahler's in Newbury, is selling boxed copies of
Red Hat 5.2 for fifty squid (about eighty dollars). As I'm running
5.1 and would like upgrade to 5.2 for it's (I'm told) better PCI
support etc, I'm considering the investment.
But is it worth it? A quick shake of the celophane-wrapped box
reaved it to contain printed documentation, CD-ROM(s), and loose
bits of paper (probably registration) - is extra stuff from what
you'd get from a download worth the money?
Harry
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 06:26:58 -0800
Micha� Kuratczyk wrote:
>
> Benny K.Y. Li wrote:
> >as subject.....
> Yes.
>
> >if "yes", do they plan to migrate to glibc?
> Sure, but as far as I know not to soon.
3.6 has glibc runtime support libraries.
>
> --
> Micha� Kuratczyk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where to find suse rpms?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:44:42 GMT
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:03:38 -0600, Greg Flanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I'm a recent redhat to suse convert, and I'm fairly impressed, but my biggest
>complaint is that I can't for the life of me find updated packages. I try to
>keep my systems pretty current, and with redhat life was pretty easy as all of
>their updated rpm's are in a huge directory and upgrading a list of packages
>was easy.
>
>I've been to ftp.suse.com and ftp.cdrom.com, the two places that would seem
>obvious, but I can't find upgraded rpm's from 5.3 anywhere.
>
>any pointers would be appreciated.
>
The complete list of rpms in alphabetical order can be found on the
suse ftp site, ftp.suse.com.
It is deep down in the file structure.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/6.0/full-names/i386
For 5.3, substitute 5.3 for 6.0 in the url
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT-linux dual boot
Date: 6 Mar 1999 14:19:40 GMT
Trausti Thor Kristjansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I had linux and NT working on my machine in perfect harmony.
>After upgrading to redhat 5.2, NT won't boot anymore.
>The NT partition seems to be intact. I can mount it
>and all seems well....
I vaguely recall that if you boot up the NT install diskettes there are
some repair options. Of course if you let it replace DLLs then you lose
upgrades from service packs, MS apps, etc. Good luck.
-- Rod
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