Linux-Misc Digest #3, Volume #20 Fri, 30 Apr 99 22:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: RedHat 6 bash: set -o vi broke? ("Gigsaw")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Don Bashford)
GNU reeks of Communism (Jim Brooks)
Re: Really big hd under linux (Captain Dondo)
Re: Apostraphes being replaced with question marks? ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: LOCALHOST question...whoa baby! (Michael John Erskine)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (jik-)
AWE 64 GOLD-Linux Compatible? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Weird boot message. Help. (Wolf)
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From: "Gigsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.install
Subject: Re: RedHat 6 bash: set -o vi broke?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:19:59 -0400
Sorry, been away from computers for a while so forgive the inquiry, =
but when did RH6.0 come out, and does it use xFree86 3.3.3.1 ?
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Gigsaw
UIN:20433481
TheGigsaw@yahoo
Alan W. Jurgensen wrote in message =
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|anyone install red hat 6.0?
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|Ive done it, but bash set -o vi doesn't work?!?!?
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|not only is command history not there, but editing broke too....
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|I've also tried a GNU bash, version 2.03.0(1)-release binary
|and it has same problem...
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|hmmmmm????
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|help apprecieated!!!!
|
|alman
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| Alan W. Jurgensen - Full Compass Systems =20
| phone: (608) 831-7330 - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Don Bashford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 30 Apr 1999 18:08:33 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi) writes:
> Intellectual Property released into the public's domain once the
> initial granted monopoly has expired is also capital that can be
> exploited in the persuit of profit (selling other things). That
> afterall is what IP is specifically stated to be for (US Const.).
No it isn't. The Constitution says, in Article 1, Section 8:
The Congress shall have power ...
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
respective writings and discoveries;
The purpose is to promote useful works, not to provide a means of
private profit. Note that Congress is merely empowered to create IP,
not required to. If congress finds that IP fails to promote progress,
in can abolish it.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:59:44 +0000
From: Jim Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: GNU reeks of Communism
GNU reeks of Commumism. I'll tell you why:
1) Karl Marx is famous for his Manifesto.
GNU software includes a "Manifesto" file.
2) The Bolsheviks wanted to spread their Communist revolution all over the globe.
Using the Internet, a "free software revolution" is now spreading globally.
3) Linux is getting lots of media attention these days, scaring Microsoft
and Microsoft investors.
That is reminiscent of the "Red Scare" that occured in the US in the 1950s.
4) The press calls Richard Stallman a fanatic...
...and they also called Vladimir Lenin a fanatic.
5) Those who write copy-left software work without being paid,
for the good of the "free software community".
That's communism, folks.
P.S. This is intended as humor (and a troll) ;-)
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From: Captain Dondo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Really big hd under linux
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:22:06 -0400
While that is probably true I need a large, contiguous space. 6.4 GB is
pretty full right now; if I'm going to upgrade I need a single hardware
device since I can't afford to run out of space on multiple devices.
This has to do with the way our data is organized; I can't predict at
all how the space will fill up.
Performance is not as much of an issue - thus IDE rather than SCSI.
Disk utilization is actually pretty low; we just store massive amounts
of data (I found a 200 MB file "laying around" the other day).
Yan
Christopher Mahmood wrote:
>
> you are generally better off performance-wise having several
> smaller disks instead of one massive one, not to mention that
> upgrades are much easier. You may want to read the howto
> on this,
> -ckm
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apostraphes being replaced with question marks?
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:14:09 -0400
Please, my friend... take a community college night class on business
communication, or just buy a Dale Carnegie book, or do
SOMETHING... because your current gimmick isn't going to work.
To begin with... your suggested "form letter"
(i.e."5000-line-long-Usenet-Microsoft-Fonts-Manifesto-
complete-with-nifty-Perl-script-for-making-your-NT-box-think-that-it's-running-BeOS-or-something")
just isn't a very effective
means of accomplishing the goal that you're setting out for. Anyone with the patience
to read more than halfway through that
term paper (or the intelligence and experience to understand half of it), would either
not be using FrontPage in the first place
or would already be aware of the side effects and just not care.
The only other possible goal of such a form letter would be to make you look very
intelligent. There again, someone with
enough background to understand what you're saying would probably just shrug and not
care... a more rookie novice would probably
just assume that you have no life, and click the "Delete" button in an unimpressed
fashion. Once more, goal not reached.
Secondly, the spam email I just received (attached below) was just outright RUDE.
I don't care if you aren't selling
anything... unsolicited email that you didn't sign up on a list for is still "spam".
I have occasionally seen postings using
attached graphics or HTML, and posted a brief reply like "Please don't attach files to
your postings"... but always to the group
(people who use "reply to group and sender" are annoying... this is usenet, not
majordomo). This alone is reason to ignore such
a request... and want to set your line-wrapping to 150 just for the hell of it (by the
way, I keep Netscape set to wrap outgoing
text at 65... I don't know what in the world happened with that particular posting).
Also, again it fails to accomplish a goal. If the recipient knows enough to
follow what you're saying, the knee-jerk
reaction is to be annoyed and ignore it. If the recipient is a novice and doesn't get
it... again, they are probably
unimpressed by your attempts to display intelligence, and ignore it also.
Oscar Wilde said it best, "Brevity is the soul of wit". A quick, "Hey, why don't
you lower the wrap-around settings for
your newsreader... that looked terrible"... posted to the group INSTEAD of emailed,
would probably accomplish the goal far
better.
Cheers!
Steve
----
Steve D. Perkins
MCSE, CNE, Linux user for 6 years, tennis player, swimmer, weightlifter, favorite
color green, non-virgin
[The following is a manually-generated but purely generic email
message from the Perl AutoFAQ program; you should not receive
more than one copy of this particular posting per 30
days so long as you continue to post under the name [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I've got bad news for you: USENET is not a word-procesor.
I don't know whether you're aware of this problem, but it seems
that you have just posted a message in which you used lines which were far
too long to be conveniently read by most people on on the net.
Maybe it looks good to you, but it doesn't look good to a lot of others.
While some newsreaders can handle the long lines, some will not, and your
message will not always get through properly or be easy/pleasing to read.
(Yes, I know 72 or 80 column punchcards are dead, but a lot of software
doesn't. :-)
It would really make it easier on everyone if you could please try to hit
<RETURN> every 72 columns or so. Should you have the misfortune of using
a newsreader that DOESN'T let you send out messages with USENET-standard
line lengths, then you will need to upgrade your software.
Two common pieces of software that seem particularly broken in this regard
seem to include tin and netscape, but probably other mailers and
newsreaders as well. The author/supplier of your software may already
have a fix for the problem. Talk to them. (Actually, netscape promises
me that it's "fixed in the next release", although when that will
be I can't say.)
A lot, if not all, of the PC newsreaders are evil in this regard. It's
just not acceptable to send out messages without carriarge returns in the
right places.
Quite possibly some substandard Internet Service Provider has hookwinked
you into using their shoddy MS-LOSS package that incorrectly posts
messages that aren't up to spec. I sure hope you're not paying for this.
Talk to your systems administrator, support personnel, or service provider
-- or send me mail -- if this message doesn't make sense to you.
In the best of all possible worlds, I would urge you to contact the
author of the software you used to post your message and explain to them
that they're sending out mutilated messages. If I knew their email
address, I would even do it myself. I hope you didn't pay money for it.
USENET is not a word-processor.
If you can think of any way to make this message more helpful, please
let me know. I apologize in advance if this message comes off sounding
unkind to you; it wasn't meant to be. I'm honestly just trying to help
to make the Net a better place for all of us.
PS: here's the message I'm talking about
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i586)
>X-Accept-Language: en
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
>Subject: Re: Apostraphes being replaced with question marks?
>References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Lines: 24
>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:55:12 -0400
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.142.80.69
>X-Trace: news2.randori.com 925059154 207.142.80.69 (Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:52:34 PDT)
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:52:34 PDT
>Path:
cs.colorado.edu!csnews!nntp.primenet.com!newspeer1.nac.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail
>Xref: csnews.cs.colorado.edu comp.os.linux.misc:363383
>
> Jesus Christ! I appreciate your feedback... but if I DID email a we<SNIP>
+>bmaster about the characters in their site, I'd have a
>much better chance of having my email completely read if I forwarded alo<SNIP>
+>ng a copy of the Unibomber Manifesto than the form
>letter you suggested! Question: if someone is designing their site wit<SNIP>
+>h MS FrontPage in the first place, do you REALLY think
>they're going to have clue as to what to do with a Perl script?!?
>
> A better form letter would just be:
>
>----------
>Dear XXX -
>
> I really wish you wouldn't use FrontPage to design your web pages...<SNIP>
+> it uses characters that show up differently on
>non-Microsoft web browsers, which can make pages look bad. Just thought<SNIP>
+> I'd contribute my two-cents for suggestions about your
>site. Have a nice day!
>
>Steve
>----------
>
>
> THAT'S more likely to get read, and there's even a better chance tha<SNIP>
+>t the webmaster will decide to do something about his
>problem... rather than writing you off as a geek-freak and deleting the <SNIP>
+>email halfway through reading it.
>
>Steve
>
>
--tom
--
Tom Christiansen Perl Consultant, Gamer, Hiker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Co-maintainer of the comp.lang.perl FAQ. maintainer of the WWW MTG
Database at http://mox.perl.com/deckmaster/, the MTG MetaFAQ, the Perl
WWW Site at http://mox.perl.com/perl/, and 15-year denizen of USENET.
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:03:10 -0400
From: Michael John Erskine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: LOCALHOST question...whoa baby!
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brian moore wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:40:11 -0400,
> Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've noticed that my host name has been changing after an undetermined
> > amount of time, usually after having worked on top of the X server for
> > some time. Normally, my box is named LOCALHOST, i.e. [ROOT@LOCALHOST
> > /ROOT] or [USER@LOCALHOST /HOME]. After time, however, I've noticed
> > that the name will change to a alpha-numeric type, usually something
> > like "core10d46". It always starts with "core", then has a
> > 2-digit/"d"/2-digit sequence following thereafter.
>
> Like:
> [thorin:~] 8:48:31pm 62 % host 209.150.110.103
> Name: core13d103.toad.net
> Address: 209.150.110.103
>
> > Does anyone know where this might be coming from? Is this a bug that
> > needs to be updated? Does this come from multiple su changes? Does it
> > have something to do with my core dump? It is a consistent problem that
> > I would like to solve. I've noticed that it causes other errors, such
> > as not allowing me to run certain commands, like,
> > /etc/cron.daily/updatedb.cron, almost as if the system recognizes this
> > as another user or machine that doesn't have the permissions or $PATH
> > necessary to perform these commands.
>
> Nope, that's the name that your ISP has assigned to the dynamic IP
> you're on.
>
Which is the name that ident will return to anyone (like netscape or uu.net for
example) who wants to insure that you are a US site. Some sites will not talk
to non-US sites, ftp.uu.net for example. Others like Netscape simply won't give
you the strong encryption version of their products (which US citizens are allowed
to use and non-US citizens must get from sites overseas).
> You must be using RH: by default, their ppp setup will rename your
> system when you connect to your ISP -if- your systemname is
> 'localhost.localdomain'.
>
Which is a GOOD policy for stand alone workstations because they need to be
identified in the DNS which is provided by the ISP.
> The trick is to go in an add whatever-it-is-you-want-to-name-your-system
> in /etc/hosts as an alias for localhost. Then it will see you have a
> 'proper' name and will cease doing that.
>
Except that the name is not registered and therefore not really proper, Brian.
> Do note that this -may- have repercussions (things like sendmail will
> think the new address is your real domain, for example),
But you should be using your ISP's mail service thru Netscape (or one of the other
browsers) which you can set up to send any return mail address you want.
> but they
> probably won't matter much because in most cases using a dynamic name
> instead of a proper name is wrong anyway
Unless the ISP has his stuff together, which is altogether too rare.
Never-the-less we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
> (sending mail would have the
> wrong return address since you don't always get the same dynamic IP).
See above. You (if you are stand alone or dail-in) should not be running a mail
server on your system.
>
>
> > Any information will be greatly appreciated,
> > and will be rewarded in turn with the appropriate alcoholic remedy...
> > ;)
>
> Scotch. It's been a long week.
Some interesting ideas - I did not know that Red Hat did that. How do they do it
and what can be done to set my system up (Debian) in the same manner. I would
like my system to accept the assigned name so I can hit ftp.uu.net (for
example).Thanks Brian.
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
--
Michael Erskine, Simply Computers!, Urbanna, Virginia, 804-758-3793
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brian moore wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:40:11 -0400,
<BR> Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<BR>> I've noticed that my host name has been changing after an undetermined
<BR>> amount of time, usually after having worked on top of the X server
for
<BR>> some time. Normally, my box is
named
LOCALHOST, i.e. [ROOT@LOCALHOST
<BR>> /ROOT] or [USER@LOCALHOST /HOME]. After time, however, I've
noticed
<BR>> that the name will change to a alpha-numeric type, usually something
<BR>> like "core10d46". It always starts with "core", then has a
<BR>> 2-digit/"d"/2-digit sequence following thereafter.
<P>Like:
<BR>[thorin:~] 8:48:31pm 62 % host 209.150.110.103
<BR>Name: core13d103.toad.net
<BR>Address: 209.150.110.103
<P>> Does anyone know where this might be coming from? Is this a
bug that
<BR>> needs to be updated? Does this come from multiple su changes?
Does it
<BR>> have something to do with my core dump? It is a consistent
problem that
<BR>> I would like to solve. I've noticed that it causes other errors,
such
<BR>> as not allowing me to run certain commands, like,
<BR>> /etc/cron.daily/updatedb.cron, almost as if the system recognizes
this
<BR>> as another user or machine that doesn't have the permissions or $PATH
<BR>> necessary to perform these commands.
<P>Nope, that's the name that your ISP has assigned to the dynamic IP
<BR>you're on.
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
Which is the name that ident will return to anyone (like netscape or uu.net
for example) who wants to insure that you are a US site.
Some sites will not talk to non-US sites, ftp.uu.net for example.
Others like Netscape simply won't give you the strong encryption version
of their products (which US citizens are allowed to use and non-US citizens
must get from sites overseas).
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>You must be using RH: by default, their ppp setup will rename your
<BR>system when you connect to your ISP -if- your systemname is
<BR>'localhost.localdomain'.
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
Which is a GOOD policy for stand alone workstations because they need to
be identified in the DNS which is provided by the ISP.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>The trick is to go in an add whatever-it-is-you-want-to-name-your-system
<BR>in /etc/hosts as an alias for localhost. Then it will see you
have a
<BR>'proper' name and will cease doing that.
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
Except that the name is not registered and therefore not really proper,
Brian.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>Do note that this -may- have repercussions (things like sendmail will
<BR>think the new address is your real domain, for example),</BLOCKQUOTE>
But you should be using your ISP's mail service thru Netscape (or one of
the other browsers) which you can set up to send any return mail address
you want.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>but they
<BR>probably won't matter much because in most cases using a dynamic name
<BR>instead of a proper name is wrong anyway</BLOCKQUOTE>
Unless the ISP has his stuff together, which is altogether too rare.
Never-the-less we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>(sending mail would have the
<BR>wrong return address since you don't always get the same dynamic IP).</BLOCKQUOTE>
See above. You (if you are stand alone or dail-in) should not be
running a mail server on your system.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>> Any information will be greatly appreciated,
<BR>> and will be rewarded in turn with the appropriate alcoholic remedy...
<BR>> ;)
<P>Scotch. It's been a long week.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Some interesting ideas - I did not know that Red Hat did that. How
do they do it and what can be done to set my system up (Debian) in the
same manner. I would like my system to accept the assigned name so
I can hit ftp.uu.net (for example).Thanks Brian.
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>
<P>--
<BR>Brian
Moore
| "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
<BR> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker
| a cockroach, except that the cockroach
<BR> Usenet
Vandal
| is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
<BR> Netscum, Bane of
Elves.
Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster</BLOCKQUOTE>
<PRE>--
Michael Erskine, Simply Computers!, Urbanna, Virginia, 804-758-3793
[EMAIL PROTECTED]</PRE>
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:45:17 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
>
> Don't forget ... this is Wag-the-dog IV for Clinton.
Why is it when Bush starts a war to add $$ to his pocketbook everyone is
all for nuking everyone, but when Clinton fights a war suddenly he is
playing wag the dog.....BTW, did you even watch that movie or are you
just copy catting what someone else said?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AWE 64 GOLD-Linux Compatible?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:41:11 GMT
Anyone happen to know if the AWE 64 GOLD (ISA) sound card is compatible with
RehHat 5.2? Any replies will be appreciated.
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From: Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Weird boot message. Help.
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:52:58 -0400
Hi there.
I've been getting the following error message during the initialization
scripts, the last times I booted :
modprobe : can't locate module net-pf-19
modprobe : can't locate module net-pf-19
SIOCADDRT: No such device
SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
I've located that those messages come from the following commands on
rc.inet1, respectively :
/sbin/ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
/sbin/route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 lo
/sbin/route add -net ${NETWORK} netmask ${NETMASK} eth0:0
if [ ! "$GATEWAY" = "" ]; then
/sbin/route add default gw ${GATEWAY} netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1
fi
I have never changed this configuration, and suddenly those messages
began. I tried to put an alias for eth0 as dummy ( the dummy net driver,
the only one I have ), but it still displays the same message. I later
found out I have no dummy device (though I have enabled the option in
the kernel).
What's that module that modprobe from ifconfig and route can't find ? I
sure don't have it, and don't even know what it is... How do I create a
dummy net device ? (MAKEDEV won't do it)
Can anybody help me ?
Ps. If the reply bouces, try sending it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
--
-Wolf-
"Homo Homini Lupus"
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