Linux-Misc Digest #54, Volume #20 Tue, 4 May 99 07:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: ftp question (monitoring progress) (Richard Steiner)
Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space (Richard Steiner)
GNU Finger under Linux (Hans Kristian Fjeld)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Roger Espel Llima)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Roger Espel Llima)
Re: CTRL-S (Chris J/#6)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux (Mark Holloway)
Re: CTRL-S (Leopoldo Ghielmetti)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (Richard Cohen)
Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ? (Ray)
TCL lib- installation (Rick Seymour)
X-SVGA-Server mit CL-GD 5426! ("Daniel Wagner")
How to use library C - COFF with GNU gcc ("Daniel Bolduc")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Christian Brandt)
Re: 'screen' and dselect/lynx/mutt/slrn (terminfo?) (John E. Davis)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Ed Avis)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Ed Avis)
GLIBC2 (Alessandro Magni)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 4 May 1999 09:28:19 GMT
In article <7glage$65p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Martin Ozolins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> My thoughts on this were of a different vein.
>
> If all software is free: No revenues are generated from gratis products;
> Companies without revenues cannot pay
> their employees;
> Programmers need new careers to pay for
> luxuries like food etc;
> No students choose programming as career
> path because there are no jobs.
> Result: Software stagnates;
> Entropy increases;
> Economies fail
> People starve.
>
> Conclusion: Not a good idea. Let's keep the protection of
> intellectual property in place.
IP has lead to a very "unnatural" type of software, that negates
the real strength of the computer, its adaptability.
We've made the ultimately flexible machine, and we use it more
and more to run canned software. Small business adapt to the
accounting package they buy, not vice-versa. Software should
really be treated like legal knowledge - useless when not tailored
to the case at hand.
You continue to make the confusion between 'free' and 'gratis'.
The source should be accessible *because it needs to be adapted*
to the specific situation of the customer. Revenue for the
programmers is generated through their developing solutions for
individual customers, not adding features to instable, bloated products.
--
Stefaan
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___________________________________________________________________
Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add,
but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- Saint-Exup�ry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: ftp question (monitoring progress)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:44:54 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Doug Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>Is there some way to monitor the progress of an ftp "put" command,
>similar to the microsoft dialog window that tells you how many bytes
>remain and how much more time until the transfer is complete?
Just use an ftp client with a better display. There are dozens of them
all over the place. I prefer NFTP myself:
http://crydee.sai.msu.su/software/nftp/index.html
mainly because of its cross-platform nature.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Canada: C, Eh? N, Eh? D, Eh?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:47:32 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "Bryan Gaetjens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>OK, bash me for being stupid if you like, but I'm at a loss.
>
>How do you determine the amount of free space left on a disk under
>Linux???????
Others have already answered your question (the df command), but you
can find information like this quite easily by using search engines
like DejaNews:
http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml
Also, some of the basic Linux documents at the Linux Documentation
Project will cover basic Unix commands.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
PREDICTION: You are reading messages right now.
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From: Hans Kristian Fjeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GNU Finger under Linux
Date: 28 Apr 1999 15:33:50 +0200
Has anyone succeeded in compiling GNU Finger under RedHat 5.2 Linux? We're
running a site were GNU Finger is already in use on Solaris, and we want
to integrate our Linux machines in the same system. So if anyone has managed
to get GNU Finger to compile under Linux, I would be very grateful if you
could help me with it.
thanks,
Kristian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Espel Llima)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 4 May 1999 09:52:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> But it would be an easy matter to modify the software so that it
>> didn't require such 'tokens'. Even if the software were binary-only,
>> a 'crack' would not be too difficult.
>
>Not if your CPU had a unique ID. Give them the ID, they compute a
>hash of some sort and the software can verify it all.
So you find the instructions that verify it and replace them with NOPs.
Encrypted with the CPUID? Breakpoint at the end of decryption, nuke the
decription facility itslef, maybe write a small loader, and save the
results.
You CANNOT win against a competent hacker equiped with a CPU emulator.
--
Roger Espel Llima, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/espel/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 4 May 1999 09:34:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Not if your CPU had a unique ID. Give them the ID, they compute a
> hash of some sort and the software can verify it all.
>
> [snip]
>
> Let them do it. See how many users jump ship just like rats (both in
> terms of buying NON-Intel CPUs and NON-Copyrighted software).
In that light, will the current MS ad campaign urging people
to register or risk going to jail be a boost for free(d)
software? The fact that software is so easy to copy (and
the current trend to deliver a largely empty box with a CD
and a sad excuse for a manual) requires very strong repression
to stamp out pirating - not too good for the image of the
traditional software companies, IMHO.
--
Stefaan
--
PGP key available from PGP key servers (http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/)
___________________________________________________________________
Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add,
but when there is no longer anything to take away. -- Saint-Exup�ry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Espel Llima)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 4 May 1999 09:49:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Of course. But the venders would have the freedom to make as clever a
>solution as they wanted.
Micros~1 also has the "freedom" to make Windows as stable as they want,
but that has never prevented it from crashing.
>You could even distribute encrypted code
>which is only decrypted in the CPU itself. (That's been done, it's too
>slow today, but you never know).
Blah blah blah. If it can execute at all, it can also be saved as a
plain executable.
At the very worst, you'll have to run it in some kind of JIT CPU
emulator once, trapping all suspicious stuff, and save the results.
>We might even get away from buying software to running it over the net
>for a fee.
So what? If it runs on your CPU, it can be saved to disk.
>I am just not prepared to think that the simple abolishion of copy
>right will help to create a utopian world of free software where we get
>all the great high-quality stuff we want.
I don't either, in fact. A simple abolition of sw copyright would first
make many companies crash (because it takes time to build a new product
under new distribution terms, that competes with the current products
that just became freely copiable), and then make most of the rest turn
to contracts.
>I see an arms race between crackers and venders, with the venders
>making it so expensive to crack that it's just cheaper and more
>convienent to pay them their due. Integrating the protection into the
>CPU is probably the best bet in terms of making it real hard to crack.
You seem to be missing the point that cracking only needs to be done
ONCE.
As for hardware protection, game consoles have tried it and failed.
--
Roger Espel Llima, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/espel/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris J/#6)
Subject: Re: CTRL-S
Date: 3 May 1999 11:35:36 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Useless trivia:
Ctrl-S = XON
Ctrl-Q = XOFF
Xon and Xoff are control codes used by old terminals and/or printers (or
other devices) to stop and start data flow - it's an old handshaking
protocol. The keys for XON and XOFF can be defined using the stty command.
Typing stty -a will show you the current values:
[117%][infinitum][news] >stty -a
speed 9600 baud; rows 24; columns 80; line = 0;
intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = <undef>;
eol2 = <undef>; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W;
lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;
-parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts
-ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff
-iuclc -ixany -imaxbel
opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 ff0
isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt
echoctl echoke
[118%][infinitum][news] >
The two options of importance are 'start' and 'stop' in the third line of
stty output.
Chris...
William Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>It suspends and resumes flow to the terminal. IIRC, whatever you type gets
>put in a queue, and the terminal reads from the queue. When you suspend
>flow, the terminal stops reading from the queue, but the server can still
>keep filling the queue up. When you resume flow, the terminal continues to
>read.
>
>I assume that it was probably done originally so that you could pause a
>free scrolling display so you could read it a page at a time. Sort of a
>hardware implementation of more(1). Presumably, it's outlived its
>usefulness, since the speed at which data is output or transmitted is far
>to great to read without some kind of software pager. But I seem to
>remember reading text over 300 and 1200 baud modem connections and using
>the same sort of pause feature, where you'd let a screenful of data appear
>on your screen (1200 baud is slow enough that it takes a few seconds to
>fill an entire screen), then turn the flow off, read what was there, turn
>the flow back on, and then let it continue with the next screenful. Or, if
>you were just skimming the text, at 1200 baud you could basically let it
>free scroll.
>
>Of course, that was a long time ago, and maybe I'm remembering things
>differently from what they really were.
>
--
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From: Mark Holloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:55:22 -0700
The company I work for has 90 NT Servers all running on Alpha. The only one
that crashes a lot is the Proxy server. Of course, our mission critical data
lives on HP 9000 K Series servers. They just spent $9 million on Oracle.
Argh!
I am setting up a FreeBSD desktop at work and want to show them we should setup
a large file server for Windows File Sharing. I'm using the Walnut Creek
methodology - that is configuring FreeBSD on a Dual PII 450 with a Raid 5 and
Samba and use that for storage. I have to convince my superiors that FreeBSD
is cost effective (duh! What's in a name?) and also has the fastest file
system in the world.. I'm sure once I tell them Yahoo!, Linkexchange,
Cdrom.com, and Hotmail all put their life on the line for FreeBSD then they
will buy into it.
Mark
Mikhail Kruk wrote:
> > > Try Windows NT, it's the best, way better than any of those cheezy, free
> > > UNIX wannabes.
> > >
>
> Windows NT is great OS. However it can not be used as a web server. May
> be there are some things it can be used for, web service is definitely
> not one of them.
> We are running a relatively small web server under NT (no more than 40
> sim. connections) and it sure can handle the load (well, I guess web
> server for DOS (provided there is such a weird thing) could do that on a
> PII with SCSI drives and 128Mb RAM)
> But what do you know -- we put one bad perl script in the cgi-bin and
> every
> time perl crashes (or actually exits relatively gracefully with out of
> memory warning) the whole damn networking layer dies and server needs to
> be rebooted...
>
> boy, was that offtopic? ;)
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:10:27 +0200
From: Leopoldo Ghielmetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: CTRL-S
Chris Smith wrote:
> Patrik Israelsson wrote:
> > Stu wrote:
> > > I've noticed that within a virtual console CTRL-S disables the keyboard.
> > > I am sure this is not a bug, so what is its purpose. I can only think
> > > that it could be to lock the console for whilst away from the keyboard,
> > > but if so how do you unlock it ?
> >
> > Well, I really don't think I've seen any good answers to this in other
> > answers (sorry guys =P), so I'll just answer your question: Ctrl+S does the
> > same as Scroll Lock. Unlock it by pressing Scroll Lock again...
>
> A bit more historical perspective for anyone who cares... contrary to
> what several people have said in this thread, Ctrl-S and Ctrl-Q were not
> actually originally designed to be used by human beings at all, even on
> 1200bps terminals. They have always been usable like that, but they
> were designed to implement flow control. If the terminal was receiving
> data too fast and couldn't buffer/display it all, it would send a Ctrl-S
> to stop the server from sending data until it could flush its buffers to
> avoid losing data that couldn't fit in the buffer. Ctrl-Q would then
> resume it. These came to be recognized as very poor ideas for a large
> variety of reasons, and now flow control is performed in much more
> intelligent ways -- but the keys are still around (probably because when
> they did exist, people got used to using them like scroll lock -- before
> scroll lock ever existed).
>
> --
> Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yes, Right
They are called XON (ctrl-q) and XOFF (ctrl-s) that stand for Transmission on
and Transmission off.
If you have configured a modem line you have see that it is possible to use
three types of flow controls, normally they are called NONE, XON/XOFF, HARDWARE
(valid on all OS's).
The flow control NONE is for no control at all, this is useful only when you
have a very dumb terminal that is faster enough for receiving all the datas
transmitted from the server (and no much data is send in the reverse direction).
The HARDWARE choice is for use the CTS/RTS/DTR/... modem lines for the data flow
control. This is the most used system today because it permits to use all the
256 characters for the communication, but it need a complete modem cable not the
simple three wire.
The XON/XOFF choise is for use the XON and XOFF character as flow control. Used
when connected with a so called "three wire" cable.
If the user has a keyboard available and the server and the client are
configured for use the XON/XOFF flow control, it is possible to manually send
these two characters stopping the server from send new datas (and this is the
default from all UNIX shell (and the DOS too)).
It is possible to stop the client too, but when the server stops the client, the
user don't really notice the little pause between the caracters typed and the
slow reaction from the server.
ciao, Leo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Cohen)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: 4 May 1999 10:09:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 4 May 1999 08:22:19 GMT, David Tansley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Stephen Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: > I tried to reload linux with loadlin....Guess what? No way Jose. It seems
>: > that the pressence of the McAfee "Scan.exe" program in my autoexec is
>: > required before my system can boot linux. If anyone has ANY idea why this
>: > might be, I would be genuinely grateful.....
>: >
>:
>: Personally I can't see it. If scan.exe is on a DOS partition, it has nothing
>: to do with the price of fish to a penguin.
>:
>
>Yup, my thoughts exactly. But, that doesnt change the fact that: with
>scan.exe - linux boots, without scan.exe - Linux-pocalypse Now....if you
>get my drift.
>Maybe it monkeys with some memory gubbins or something?
Just to echo what someone up there ^ said, this points to bad RAM when
combined with a sig11 in the kernel build. When you load scan.exe, it
takes up xKb RAM, which means that loadlin gets loaded at a different
place, which means that (possibly) different chips are being used on your
SIMM/DIMM. The fact that this is at boot time means that *every time* you
boot, the same programs are being loaded into the same places in memory,
in the same order. Changing this order (i.e. not loading scan.exe)
changes the 'fixed' memory spaces used by the same programs, meaning that
loadlin gets loaded elsewhere...
As an easy test for this problem, try switching the positions of the
SIMMs/DIMMs in your system, i.e. switch the modules in slot 0 and 1
around. This should let you *boot*, since it seems the problem is in the
module which hosts your base RAM. It will not fix your machine,
obviously, since you will still have dodgy RAM, but it makes for a nice,
easy diagnostic...
>: Let's hope we get to next week's exciting episode I certainly made fun
>: reading.
>
>Glad you're enjoying my misery :)
>
>--
>Dave
Other people's misery is almost always fun ;-P
Cheers
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ?
Date: 4 May 1999 10:12:03 GMT
On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:51:55 +0200, David Guyon Martin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do you have an internal modem working with linux ?
Yes, several
>
>Is there any trouble or dissadvantage ?
They still require Windows to upgrade the modems Flash ROM. Of course all
of the usual issues with internal modems apply. The same folks also make
win-modems.
>
>What kind of modem is it: constructor, series, ... ?
Amquest Hypermodem. I've installed quite a few of these, both the jumpered
and PnP versions without any trouble.
--
Ray
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rick Seymour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TCL lib- installation
Date: 26 Apr 1999 19:32:23 GMT
Hi there..
i'm trying to install the TCl and Tk libaries, cause i wanna use an mp3
player and when i try to complile from the source i get the error msg..
can't test run while cross-compliling
HELP!
how can i complile it?
please send a CC to my email
Ta
Rick
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From: "Daniel Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: X-SVGA-Server mit CL-GD 5426!
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:23:23 +0200
Hello out there,
I've the following problem with X:
If i want to use 800x600 pixels with 16bpp the X-Server doesn't startup and
displays an errormessage:
...no screens found...
Can anybody help me?
Daniel
PS: If I use any mode with 8bpp X works really fine.
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From: "Daniel Bolduc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to use library C - COFF with GNU gcc
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:45:06 -0400
I want to pass system Sco 3.2.4 to RedHat Linux 5.2.
I programmed with language C from Sco 3.2.4 and i use a a library for a
database product dbclib.a and all object xxy.o inside are produce with
COFF. Naturally, i don't have the source code of this library.
example:
ndx_purge.o: 80386 COFF executable not stripped - version 30821
I recompile all my own libraries of C function in linux and it produce this
type of object
example
strNcpy.o: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
Now i try to recompile the application and i want to link with my new
recompile libraries and the library COFF from the database product
How can I link ?
This is the result from the original dbclib.a from the database product.
[bolduc] Linux:/home/sw/plaisir/essai> make
cc -s -o nn\
impfran.o\
/home/sw/lib/obj/erreur.o\
/home/sw/lib/recidriv.a\
/home/sw/lib/obj/proftest.o\
/home/sw/lib/anytime.a\
/home/sw/lib/dbclib.a
/home/sw/lib/dbclib.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized
make: *** [nn] Error 1
I made a directory and I extract all object in the dbclib.a and i recreated
an other dbclib2.a with the same .o.
[bolduc] Linux:/home/sw/plaisir/essai> make
cc -s -o nn\
impfran.o\
/home/sw/lib/obj/erreur.o\
/home/sw/lib/recidriv.a\
/home/sw/lib/obj/proftest.o\
/home/sw/lib/anytime.a\
/home/sw/lib/dbclib2.a
/home/sw/lib/dbclib2.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run
ranlib to add one
make: *** [nn] Error 1
I ran the command "ranlib dbclib2.a" or the command "ar csv dbclib2.a *.o
"
but I never saw the created index .
Thanks
Daniel Bolduc
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Christian Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:18:24 +0200
Jim Richardson wrote:
> You are absolutely correct! I typed Karl Marx when I should have typed
> Lenin (oops)
>
> Lenin did all these things. Marx was simply clueless.
Looks like, theres more clueless folks around...
Every child in school learns (or should) that both Marx and Lenin where
not part (well, mostly) of the political system of the SU (hey, Marx
even lived in the wrong century, but then which american ever knew
anything about the world outside Disneyland :-) and their writings where
partly forbidden anyway.
The SU was most time of its existence a stalinistic nation, not a
communist or socialist one. Mixing that up would be like mixing up
fascim and capitalism. As far as I know there where only two countries
(early Chile and some other bananarepubic) in history which really tried
communism and both where conquered/overthrown by their neighbors before
they get both feed on the ground. And I guess, this is the
maindisadvantage of centralized political structures: Slow to adapt and
tend to overact "in the name of the people".
That leads me to the following conclussion: Whenever someone claims to
do something "in the name of the people" or "for the national security",
run as fast as you can, especially if its you claiming to do so.
--
Christian Brandt
"Life is short and in most cases it ends with death." Sir Sinclair
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John E. Davis)
Subject: Re: 'screen' and dselect/lynx/mutt/slrn (terminfo?)
Date: 4 May 1999 10:41:55 GMT
On 30 Apr 1999 08:20:04 GMT, Tim Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>So the "bce" problem is a slang problem then?
Slang does not support terminals that do not use the currently
selected background color for erasing. In my opinion, such terminals
are brain-dead and there is really no way of properly optimizing the
screen redrawing on these terminals. This is because on such
terminals, any operation that causes text to be erased on the screen
(such as scrolling, erasing to the end of the line, etc) will result
in the wrong color being displayed. This means that the underlying
screen management functions will have to redraw those areas anyway
just to get the colors correct. There also appears to be no clearly
documented way of knowing what the default background colors are,
which means that the application has no idea about what the screen
will look like after scrolling. The end result is that there is no
point in even using functions such as erase-to-end-of-line or
erase-to-end-of-screen. This means that terminals which do not
support bce require more than 25x80=2000 characters to clear a 25 rows
by 80 column display!
For these reasons, I have decided not to support such poorly designed
terminals with the hope that the terminal software itself will get
fixed. I modified rxvt to provide the bce capability and I believe
that the new color xterms work this way as well. Now someone needs to
fix screen to make it bce-compliant.
Until then, I recommend that you use `default' as your background color
in slang based applications, e.g., in slrn use:
color article blue default
instead of something like
color article blue black
--John
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From: Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:43:32 +0100
Roger Espel Llima wrote:
>My guess is that if software copyright suddently went away, companies
>would stop selling software, and licence it with formal, written and
>signed contracts instead, where the buyer agrees not to copy.
I think they would like to do that. But I'm not sure that, in the
hypothetical situation where software copyrights were abolished, such
a contract would be lawful. In any case, it would be easy to work
around it - sign the contract, and then leave the software on my
computer where my younger brother (who is under 18) makes a copy of
it. Because there is no copyright, the company cannot stop him from
distributing this copy. I might perhaps go to jail, but the software
will be 'out there'.
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From: Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:47:02 +0100
Joshua E. Rodd wrote:
>Big deal. I ran NT 3.51 on a PS/2 Model 65 SX (8560-061) with 8MB
>of memory.
And I once ran OS/2 Warp version 3 on a PS/2 E (9533) with 4MB of
RAM. So there. :-)
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From: Alessandro Magni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: GLIBC2
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:46:58 +0200
While trying to install some (forgot which) program, I discovered I need
GLIBraries vs.2
Now the questions:
1) as a Red Hat 5.2 user, once I install glibc-2.1.1-6.i386.rpm (the
last one, I hope),
am I done? Or I have to tweak something manually?
2) Once I've done it, can I install my previous libraries, or some
programs still depend
on the previous version?
3) Do GLIBC2 have some major bugs, that should prevent me from
installing it?
4) Last: where the major documentation on this topic lies, particularly
for GLIBC2 & RH5.2 ????
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