Linux-Misc Digest #305, Volume #20 Sat, 22 May 99 16:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Can't communicate through 2nd NIC ("Steve Snyder")
Re: REAL newbie question (Stefan Retta)
modules.dep missing (Michael V Strelick)
autobackup with tar and RCS ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
weird DHCP problems (Itay Kishon)
Rebuilding SRPMs ("Thomas Svenson")
Re: How many operating systems can i have on a linux pc? (Dr Vincent C Jones PE)
Re: Commercially speaking....?
Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[?] lint for Linux (Francisco Cribari)
wine ? (James Chang)
Re: Adding fonts to Wordperfect 8 ("Gero H. Marten")
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom ("Joshua E. Rodd")
AVI Screen Capture ("Athan")
Re: Linux Textbook? ("Joshua E. Rodd")
jadetex and Redhat 6.0 (Arun Sharma)
Re: SETI comparisons ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Tools under Linus (I Ching Hsueh)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Kristian Holdich")
Re: WordPerfect gunzip ("Gero H. Marten")
Re: car mp3 player (Jim Richardson)
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From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Can't communicate through 2nd NIC
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:04:14 -0400 (EST)
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, 21 May 1999 23:53:51 -0700, Harley Waagmeester wrote:
>IPADDR="24.4.162.173" <-------
>
>You have assigned your internet /cable modem address to your eth1 network card,
>that won't work.
>Give your eth1 card a local ip like you have for the eth0 card.
>I'll give a tough sketch of what needs to happen:
>if you give eth1 an ip address of 192.168.0.13,
>Then you need :
>route add 24.4.162.173 gw 192.168.0.13
>route add default gw 24.4.162.173
>
>I'm probably wrong about the syntax
>Just give the eth1 a local ip address and leave the gateway address as
>24.4.162.173,
>and maybe the startup scripts will set the default route up correctly
>
>I hope someone explains this better, or gives the right numbers to plug into the
>config files :))
>
>The point is that you want a local ip for the eth1 interface card and use that as
>the gateway out
>of the machine, and the default route is a "logical route" that flows through the
>hardware route.
>
>The 24.4.162.173 is the address of the cable modem device
More info:
In my last message I wrote that I changed my config as recommended above,
but saw no difference in behavior (ping/telnet still didn't work.) However
there *is* a difference in the output of tcpdump.
Output with previous config:
============================
# /usr/sbin/tcpdump -i eth1
tcpdump: listening on eth1
15:17:58.005410 arp who-has 128.63.2.53 tell ct52636-a
15:17:58.005529 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell ct52636-a
15:17:58.008410 arp who-has 198.41.0.4 tell ct52636-a
15:17:58.026120 arp who-has 128.63.2.53 tell 24.4.162.129
15:17:58.035820 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell 24.4.162.129
15:17:58.045582 arp who-has 198.41.0.4 tell 24.4.162.129
15:17:59.005240 arp who-has 198.41.0.4 tell ct52636-a
15:17:59.005254 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell ct52636-a
15:17:59.005275 arp who-has 128.63.2.53 tell ct52636-a
15:17:59.025473 arp who-has 198.41.0.4 tell 24.4.162.129
15:17:59.036064 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell 24.4.162.129
15:17:59.045111 arp who-has 128.63.2.53 tell 24.4.162.129
15:18:00.005232 arp who-has 128.63.2.53 tell ct52636-a
15:18:00.005242 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell ct52636-a
15:18:00.005264 arp who-has 198.41.0.4 tell ct52636-a
15:18:00.027275 arp who-has 128.63.2.53 tell 24.4.162.129
15:18:00.038154 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell 24.4.162.129
15:18:00.045851 arp who-has 198.41.0.4 tell 24.4.162.129
15:18:02.005334 arp who-has 128.9.0.107 tell ct52636-a
20 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
With new configuration:
=======================
# /usr/sbin/tcpdump -i eth1
tcpdump: listening on eth1
11:50:49.001747 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:50.001746 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:53.001844 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:54.001733 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:55.001739 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:56.001900 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:57.001739 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:58.001734 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:50:59.021801 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:00.021729 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:01.021733 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:04.001822 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:05.001742 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:06.001733 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:07.381810 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:08.381734 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
11:51:09.381737 arp who-has 24.4.162.173 tell ct52636-a
17 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
Note that during this output I am not explicly addressing eth1. If may be
just a coincident that the tcpdump has changed, but there you go.
Although there apparently is activity on eth1, the RX seen with ipconfig
are not increment regularly during this activity, though the TX count does
increment. Hmm. This is an example of output:
# /sbin/ipconfig eth1
eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:97:C8:01:C8
inet addr:192.168.0.18 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:44 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:3014 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
Interrupt:10 Base address:0xe800
Any thoughts?
***** Steve Snyder *****
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From: Stefan Retta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: REAL newbie question
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:45:39 +0200
Marc wrote:
>
> How do I install packages that I download off the internet?
>
> thanks
That depends on the file extension. Most common are .tgz or tar.gz
files.
Those files are (most of the time) compressed tar archives of source
code.
-Go to /usr/src ; cd /usr/src
-type tar xvfz File.tar.gz or File.tgz
Then go into the Directory that was created.
Type a ./Configure or ./configure if such a file exists
then make and make install (You need a Makefile in the dir you are ;-)
With files ending in .rpm just type
rpm -i File.rpm
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From: Michael V Strelick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: modules.dep missing
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:39:27 -0400
Can someone tell me why my /lib/modules/2.2.9/modules.dep file is not
being created? After configuration (first I did a make mrproper) I did
make dep; make clean; make modules; make modules_install; make bzImage;
/sbin/lilo. the modules.dep doesn't get created and depmod -a won't
work as a result. I have the modules support enabled in the kernel. I
upgraded to 2.2.9 from RH6.0's 2.2.5 on MY machine and it works fine. I
tried extracting the 2.2.9 source straight from the tarball on my
friend's machine and I get this error. Please help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: autobackup with tar and RCS
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:51:53 GMT
I want to make regular automated backups, without user interaction. So
far, this surely is a classic procedure that about anyone (including
myself) can do with tar and a script. Now let's say, for simplicity's
sake, that the files to backup are the directories X and Y and all
dotfiles (".*" but not "." or ".." or "./*" or "../*" etc.) in $HOME,
and no other files should be backed up.
Moreover (and now comes the interesting part): Since I want incremental
backup with infinite past *all in one file*, all files in X and all
dotfiles should first be processed via some revision control software,
which means a certain command, let's just call it "Store", has to be
applied to each of those files (and to files in subfolders, etc.). (For
example, if that software is my favourite, RCS, then "Store" would be a
script like "ci -l </dev/null $1" or something more profound. Now the
questions:
- How do I apply "Store" non-interactively to all files mentioned? Can I
use "find" for that? Remember, some files may have strange filenames
starting with dots or containing funny characters.
- How do I make all this happen at startup? In other words, where do I
place the script when written? OS is RH5.2/Mandrake.
- How do I make sure that the revision control part of the script runs
with $USER permissions, not as root? The reason is that if run as root,
all revision control files stored in $HOME become owned by root and
cannot be accessed by $USER any more. Other parts of the script, such as
actually writing to the backup tape, might have to be run as root,
however.
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From: Itay Kishon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: weird DHCP problems
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:50:16 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello all.
I've been working with my RH5.2 installation for some time now,
connecting to the internet (through a cable modem) using an nic (NE2000
clone RealTek R-8029 PCI), with RedHat's automated setup for eth0 (All I
had to do is tell it to connect with DHCP, and list the DNS).
Yesterday I was configuring something in my linux, and as a result -
eth0 couldn't get the information from the dhcp server anymore. I tried
configuring many things in the system, and finally, after not being able
to get eth0 back to work, I reinstalled (!) RH5.2.
The weird thing is that even after a completly new installation, it
still doesn't aquire an IP from the dhcp server. I do know that the nic
and the driver are function correctly, because if I boot the system with
my Win98, write down the IP aquired from the dhcp, and then enter it
manually into eth0 configuration, the network operates find.
Also, when I try to run "dhcpcd -d" to aquire a new IP, I get the
following message: "bind (openSendSocket): Address already in use" (What
does it mean ?).
In spite all that, I did manage 2-3 times to get an IP from the dhcp,
after using netconf to restart the network. I haven't been able to do it
myself, using "ifconfig eth0 down"/"ifconfig eth0 up".
(A bit long, isn't it ? But I'm working on it for 2 days, without any
success...)
Any help would be appriciated,
Itay Kishon.
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From: "Thomas Svenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rebuilding SRPMs
Date: 22 May 99 20:04:16 +0200
I am trying to figure out how to write the best rtc/rpmrc file for compiling
SRPMs on my computer.
I have a AMD K6 and have been searching the net for info on what "optflags" I
shall use to best optimize the binaries for my system.
Anyone that can give me some hints or point me to a place on the net where I
can find more info about it?
--
Thomas Svenson, Editor in chief [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AI/echo (Linux & Amiga-magazine) http://www.xfiles.se
Box 63 Phone: +46 472-708 45
340 36 MOHEDA Fax: +46 472-716 80
Sweden ICQ: 10073949
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Subject: Re: How many operating systems can i have on a linux pc?
From: Dr Vincent C Jones PE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:26:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GEDEOND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As many as your disk drives can hold.
>
> I have booted with LILO to DOS, Win95, Win31 and Linux.
>
> Now I have Win95, Linux 4.2, Linux 5.2, and acouple test kernels to boot
>into.
> You need 2 5.1 GiG Disks so you can put 10 OS's on them --- ( That was a JOKE
>- but it is possible ). The last operating system you put on will frustrate
>you enough to toss the whole machine out the window - mine almost went the
>day!!
>Good Luck ... Dave.
Sorry Dave, but you appear to lack experience with PC (as opposed to
"real") operating systems. With the exception of IBM's OS/2, Linux, and
various flavors of Unix, all PC operating systems insist on booting from
a primary partition on the first hard drive. Even NT, which claims to
install anywhere, puts its boot loader on C:\.
Since a PC hard drive can only have four "real" partitions, usually
assigned as three primary and an extended, you are limited to at most three
OS'es which required booting from a primary partition. The only good
news is that many OS'es, such as NT, are smart enough to share that
primary partition with other OS'es which can use the same disk format.
NetWare is even worse, as it requires a DOS partition to get started and
then the SYS volume must also be a primary partition (although if you
have multiple hard drives, it can be on another drive, but I was
installing on a notebook). Plus, Microsoft tends to believe that their
OS'es own the HD partition table, and do all sorts of ugly things which
you then have to go back and clean up after. Fortuanately, once things
are installed, they tend to be stable, but your mileage may vary.
FWIW: I speak from experience. My notebook is configured as follows:
1st primary partition: 500 MB for testing new stuff
2nd primary partition: 500 MB (FAT) for DOS and NT stuff
3rd primary partition: Boot Manager
4th Primary Partition: Extended partition, with logical drives
containing OS/2 (2 copies), Linux (2 copies), & Solaris.
I have been told that the copy of boot magic which comes with the newer
versions of partition magic eliminates the need to dedicate a primary
partition to boot manager.
--
Dr. Vincent C. Jones, PE Expert advice and a helping hand
Computer Network Consultant for those who want to manage and
Networking Unlimited, Inc. control their networking destiny
14 Dogwood Ln, Tenafly, NJ, 07670
[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 201 568-7810 Fax: +1 201 568-6626
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.help,linux.news.groups,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:48:39 -0700
On Sat, 22 May 1999 09:47:35 +0100, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Erik Olson wrote in message <3745a8b3$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Alistair Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> In uk.comp.os.linux Phil Bousfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>The open source community is founded on trust and integration of that into
>>the greedy/corrupt business world isn't going to be seamless. When it
>comes
>>to business I believe paranoia is the prudent choice.
>>
>>Picture this, your company releases its product open source GPL hoping to
>>makes its money from support or some other method. My company decides to
>>hijack your open source project. My company throws more developers at it
>>than your company and we go semi proprietary like SendMail Inc. We get
>>a lot of vulture capital, we buy a big booth at Linux expo with the biggest
>>LCD screens and comfiest couchs. People think we are cool. We actively
>>release some unimportant stuff GPL, just be a headache to your company and
>>also to gain consumer mind share that WE are the active developers. Then
>we
>>will go ultra proprietary with some stuff that our customers will pay a lot
>>of money for. When we go IPO and make millions on our options we thank
>your
>>company for the 40 man years of code you gave us for free.
>
>Very Quickly - Doesn't the GPL say that you cannot sell the code or any code
>you used from it (or something very similar)??
What it does do is prevent any of your competitors that might
get ahold of that code you just released to the public from
using that code and then restricting subsequent users any more
than they have been.
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:49:25 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 1999, Paul Grayson wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > How can I prevent Linux (or Windows, for that matter) from knowing
about
> > > the 2nd hard disk? I would like it to stay spun down, but every
now and
> > > then linux accesses it for whatever reason. (Windows does too.)
The OS
> > > is RH5.2.
> > >
> >
> > Disconnect it! :-)
>
> On my system, I've told the BIOS the disc isn't there. Windows
believes
> that so doesn't touch it. Linux won't touch it unless a partition of
sorts
> is mounted... (in my case, my entire linux system, so Windows doesn't
barf
> all over it...again)
I did the same already. Linux does touch it. At startup, when checking
which partitions are there. Despite the fact that the HDD contains no
Linux partitions. And there is no entry in /etc/fstab referencing to
that HDD.
If I'm not mistaken, Windows spins it up too every now and then without
any BIOS entry; I do not understand when though.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:52:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > How can I prevent Linux (or Windows, for that matter) from knowing
about
> > the 2nd hard disk? I would like it to stay spun down, but every now
and
> > then linux accesses it for whatever reason. (Windows does too.) The
OS
> > is RH5.2.
>
> If you want to prevent the kernel from ever knowing about the drive,
> then pass it the following option on boot-up
> hdb=noprobe
> (hdb should be replaced with the actual device you wish to hide)
>
> Alternatively you can search out which program is touching the drive
and
> spinning it up.
Sounds good. Can I put that into some configuration file or do I have to
mess with LILO here and remember to do it every time I change the boot
configuration?
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From: Francisco Cribari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [?] lint for Linux
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:17:00 -0500
Is there a version of lint for Linux? (I am using Red Hat Linux
6.0). Thanks. FC.
________________________________________________________________________
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Departamento de Estatistica fax: +55-81-2718422
Universidade Federal de Pernambuco e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recife/PE, 50740-540, Brazil web: www.de.ufpe.br/~cribari/
IBM: It is slow, but at least it's expensive.
________________________________________________________________________
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From: James Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: wine ?
Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:04:09 +0800
Hi there
I have installed wine release 98061 on my machine.
Could anybody tell me how to use the program?
The man help manual is not sufficient to me. My kernel version is 2.0.34.
Someone told me minimum kernel version is 2.0.7x Is it right.
Please tell me minimum requirement.
Thanks in advane
I prefer email (HeHe)
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adding fonts to Wordperfect 8
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 05:57:16 +0200
jb wrote:
> How can I add other fonts to the limited ones that come with the downloaded
> version of Wordperfect 8?
As root use xwpfi in the your /opt/wp80/shbin10 directory or what
ever directory WP is in.
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
--
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:58:01 -0400
Brandon wrote:
> I'm sorry but u have reached the wrong country. Please check the number
> and make sure u dial Iran/Iraq next time.
What did his article have to do with the nations in the region of Persia?
Perhaps you meant ``make sure u dial Iran/Iraq govmt. next time''?
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From: "Athan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AVI Screen Capture
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:21:48 +0100
Hello
Is there any tool for AVI screen capture
Thanks
Athan
--
Back to the "Linux".
http://wwp.icq.com/9576874
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux Textbook?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:14:53 -0400
Tom Eisenmenger wrote:
> We've begun to cover Linux in the community college where I teach.
> Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a textbook I really like for my
> students. I'd like your recommendations, given the following criteria:
I think what you want is a textbook to teach about the GNU system.
Teaching Linux itself would be highly uninteresting except perhaps
in an advanced kernel design course.
GNU curriculum is an interesting idea. Of course, most universities
would avoid FSF-sponsored curriculum as it wouldn't allow them to
gouge every student for $90 at the local bookstore for each course and
claim it as a valid expenditure. =)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arun Sharma)
Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: jadetex and Redhat 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:18:47 GMT
Does anyone know how to get jadetex working with Redhat Linux 6.0 ? I have
it working with Redhat 5.2, but 6.0 tetex complains about jadetex.fmt.
I tried building jadetex.fmt from source, but I get errors about missing
hugelatex.fmt and I can't find it anywhere on the net.
Can anyone help me ?
-Arun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SETI comparisons
Date: 22 May 1999 19:28:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in comp.os.linux.misc:
RP>In article <7i52u6$ho7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RP>The SETI@home project fascinates me endlessly, both from a technical and a
RP>cultural standpoint.
RP>I would make two comments about this:
RP>1. The MacOS wrecklessly throws almost all of it's CPU resources to the
RP>frontmost application. When the SETI@home client kicks in -- even as a
RP>"screensaver" -- it becomes the frontmost app.
Yes. That's one of _advantages_ of cooperative multitasking.
RP>2. Speaking strictly about performance (I'm not gonna get into
RP>architecture), the current MacOS lags other operating systems mainly in
RP>it's file system. SETI@home has very, very little of that going on. The
RP>MacOS's file system performance stinks, but when you ask its RISC CPU to
RP>do a lot of fast fourier transforms, it takes a back seat to nobody. Mac
RP>hardware has always been very, very good.
True, Seti does not do a lot of I/O, so the file system would essentially
be irrelevant. OTOH, pre-G3 PPC MACs were not really such hot performers.
RP>3. Probably the biggest thing accounting for the relative performance
RP>differences you see in these stats (all of which are changing quickly) is
RP>CULTURAL. A lot of Wintel users seem clueless that their seven year old
RP>Packard Bell is on the wrong side of the performance curve.
That may not be entirely true. A lot of Win9x machines got sold in the
last 2 years (in many cases replacing those 7 y.o. PackBells). There is a
problem with Win9x. I have access to two identical PII/300 machines at
work. One is running Win95 and the other NT 4.0. Win95 is a slug! You
can't blame this difference on outdated h/w or clueless user.
RP> I believe that the Windows users cooperating in the SETI@home project
RP>represent a more even distribution of the general population. Mac users to
RP>to fall into two distinct Groups: 1. Those who use their system but don't
RP>want to know anything about how it works, and 2. The geeky ones who love
RP>their Macs and would marry them if it were legal.
RP> Group 2, suffering from a perpetual Mac persecution complex, also tends
RP>to take an interest in the sort of thing SETI is trying to accomplish.
RP> Vendicate your system preference and find aliens. This is pure Group 2 stuff.
RP> Group 2 users tend to have nice hardware.
Without making any comment on legality of MAC-geek marriage, I'd guess
that most seti contributors are at least somewhat geeky and have better
h/w that typical users.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I Ching Hsueh)
Subject: Tools under Linus
Date: 22 May 1999 19:32:10 GMT
Hallo,
A good question for Linus people.
I want to know, how many well-known tools now run under Linus, or which webside
I should visit to get this.
Regards
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From: "Kristian Holdich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:23:19 +0100
They bottomed the tests at around 60 users, my intuition says that shortly
after this NT would go into meltdown and start serving those Server to Busy
pages you get on m$ site all the time. On our intranet we switched from NT
to Solaris and page view time improved from around 12 seconds(!) to .6, so
i'd say it's FUD.
They probably had apache configed to do reverse lookups or some such
nonsense...
Kristian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:7hru82$am6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Did any of your guys look at the webbechmark posted by PC
> magazine?Below is the URL
> http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2256617,00.html
> In this, it stated that NT4 and IIS is the best web platform today,
> with "Leading performance, excellent programmability and wideest variety
> of third party addons". Contraray to common belive, it says IIS
> outperformances other webserver(apache, netscape enterprise server) when
> load increased!!
> At the end of this article, it goes on to explain that, IIS's leading
> performance(can you believe it???) is due to effective use of threading
> and efficient handling of file and network i/o. The interesting point is
> the asynchronous I/O, "Asynchronous I/O lets a threaded web server
> process requests at the same time it performas file or network i/o".
> Then it named Apache for lacking of such feature.
> I am very suspicious of such statement. In its words, it seems that
> asynchronous I/O can only be realized in a multi-threaded server,
> however, in my opinion, a slave i/o process can easily accomplish this
> (correct me if I am wrong). And as the introduction of copy-on-write,
> a process fork is almost as light as a thread creation. Then how come
> the crappy IIS outperforms my beloved Apache? Is it true to some extent
> or is it just another FUD???
>
> --Be a free spirit, or a slave to M$? It's your choice!
> --web: http://members.xoom.com/dizhao, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> --software engineer, hacker
>
>
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> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect gunzip
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 06:05:49 +0200
Who said he used Netscape? An if he did, he did something wrong,
namly
1. Not using a ftp programm for file downloads.
2. If he used NS, not holding down the Shift-key when clicking on
the file.
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: car mp3 player
Date: 22 May 1999 18:47:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 May 1999 20:40:59 GMT,
brian moore, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On 20 May 1999 17:34:16 GMT,
> Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 19 May 1999 20:25:46 GMT,
>> brian moore, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >Should be simple. Look on Sunsite, er, Metalab for the various
>> >'cramdisk' kits. I keep a floppy around with a kernel that supports
>> >3c509 and NE2000 nics, a serial port and includes Lynx and Minicom.
>> >
>> >Great when you're stuck using someone's broken computer and just want a
>> >proper terminal program. (And, yes, Hyperterm sucks.)
>>
>> What is the minimum ram needed for this?
>> (I have an old '386 laptop that I'd like to use as a terminal for
>> the boat. It only has 6mb ram.)
>
>Should be fine with a 2.0 kernel. Probably not for 2.2 which is a bit
>more memory hungry.
>
>--
2.0 is fine for a non-x enviroment, with no direct netlinks, and needless
to say smp is not an issue :)
Actually, I have been looking at the Linux Router PRoject, since their
base system probably does fine.
--
Jim Richardson
www.eskimo.com/~warlock
All hail Eris
"Linux, where do you want to go tomorrow?"
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