Linux-Misc Digest #305, Volume #21 Fri, 6 Aug 99 02:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Any support for Alps printers ? (Frank Hahn)
Re: DosLinux Questions ("Brett Castleberry")
Re: Help!!! Sound Card OPTi 82C924 (Daniel Carrera)
Re: Java makes Netscape crash ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: newbie: cron won't work. just won't. need help. (Gus Hartmann)
NTFS on RH 6.0 ("Matthew O. Persico")
Re: Quick Question: ISO files (Gus Hartmann)
Re: Clone a harddisk (Scott Alfter)
System copy to new harddisk (jackson)
Re: Form Generation -- Print Formatter Application (Christopher B. Browne)
Setting up environment variables for CGI scripts run under apache ("Murali V")
3DFX/GLIDE gamma question. Please help! (Eric The Half A Bee)
SAMBA, Linux, Win98 (The RZA)
let the Holy War commence... (StuntPope)
Re: propertarianism (Richard Kulisz)
Apache news groups ("Murali V")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: Any support for Alps printers ?
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 03:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:05:04 -0700, Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there any support for printers manufactured
>by Alps ? Particularly the MD-1300.
>
What kind of support are you looking for?
Is it a laser, inkjet, dot matrix?
Unless it is a Windows only printer of some sort, it should be
able to at least print text.
If you want to print Postscript files, then you will need to find
the program called Ghostscript. If your printer emulates one of
the printers supported by Ghostscript, then you should be able to
make it work.
Try doing a search for the Printing How-To. It should get you
going in the right direction.
There is a printer database maintained by Grant Taylor. Try
tracking that down and see if there is an entry for your printer.
If there isn't, let him know if you were succesful or not for
future reference.
--
Frank Hahn
In an organization, each person rises to the level of his own
incompetency
-- The Peter Principle
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From: "Brett Castleberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DosLinux Questions
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:48:54 -0400
Thanks for your impressions. It struck me as requiring some assembly of
diffferent packages, whereas Zipslack is just one big zip file. I believe
Robotti contributed to Slackware at some point, so DosLinux may in some
sense be an extension of concepts in ZipSlack. One more ingenious
distribution based on the umsdos is muLinux, the one floppy linux (two, with
X11) that runs completely in RAM and, if desired, can be cloned to your hard
disk in a "c:\linux" directory. This was actually the first linux I tried,
and it was so easy, even for a complete beginner, that I gained the
confidence to eventually do a full installation.
http://sunsite.auc.dk/mulinux
--
Brett G. Castleberry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tallahassee, Florida
Philip Shore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ah well, my comments were first impressions. When I looked at Zip Slack
> a few months back it was easy to install but I felt it lacked some
> documentation. Maybe that has changed.
>
> I have never installed DosLinux but from just looking at the web page it
> looked very organised and thoughtful. It looked easy to install and
> there was a great document describing how to do common tasks and install
> other major packages like X.
>
> All this is of course my own 10 minute view and without trying DosLinux
> for real. I just thought it _looked_ better than Zip Slack with its
> immediate friendliness. If I was a first time user I would have gone
> there.
>
> These type of distributions are so easy to install that I guess a new
> user should try them all!
>
> Phil.
>
>
> Brett Castleberry wrote:
> >
> > And it's small. It looks useful for old machines with small hard
drives.
> > I'm using both Zipslack 4.0 and Red Hat 6.0. Can you tell me why
DosLinux
> > looks better to you than ZipSlack? I've been looking at it for some
time,
> > but Robotti was making new releases frequently, so I thought I'd wait
for
> > it to stabilize.
> >
> > Brett G. Castleberry
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Tallahassee, Florida
> > Philip Shore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > It looks very good - better than ZipSlack (a version of Slackware you
> > > can just unzip and then run the DOS linux loader to get going).
>
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brett Castleberry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ftp://ftp.tux.org/people/kent-robotti/doslinux/
> > > >
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From: Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help!!! Sound Card OPTi 82C924
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:48:02 -0400
> I'm having a little bit of trouble trying to setup my sound card.
> Can anyone help me? My sound card has an OPTi 82C924 chipset.
> Which is the ez way to i configure it?
What have you tried? Is it a PnP card? What error messages are you
getting?
It's hard to give advise when your bug report is "it won't work".
I assume that it's a PnP, because most cards today are.
I can tell you how I set up my SB16 PnP card (which wasn't too hard).
Linux is not a PnP operating system. Thus, you have to go into my BIOS
and tell it that you have a non-PnP OS (the default is "yes" because
Windows IS a PnP OS).
Once that's done, when you boot your computer, soon before bringing up
LILO the BIOS will give you a listing of all your PnP devices. Take down
the IRQ, IO, and DMAs that the BIOS has assigned to it. You need this for
a SB, I don't know about other cards.
For a SB you would then recompile your kernel with those settings in it.
That did it for me.
Regardless of what card you have you have to recompile the kernel to
include sound (if you haven't done so already).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Java makes Netscape crash
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 04:21:54 GMT
Actually, if you are running RedHat 6.0 (which I willing to guess you
are) Netscape is not at fault. One of the installation RPM's is buggy
and it doesn't a necessary font path to /etc/X11/fs/config.
The solution is somewhere at www.redhat.com under support and FAQs, but
if you don't want to go digging for it...
Type:
chkfontpath --list
You should get something like this:
Current directories in font path:
1: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled
2: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
3: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled
4: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
5: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
6: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
Now type:
chkfontpath --add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
You will probably need to give your X font server (xfs) a SIGHUP to get
it to read the newly modified /etc/X11/fs/config. (If you don't know how
to do this, just reboot. ;)
Good luck.
:q!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Why are browsers such shit?
>
> Many people who write web pages insist that they are not required to
> adhere to the standards.
>
> Also, many people have "buggy" HTML/JS/JAVA/etc, which our browsers
> simply cannot "guess" at what the scripts should be.
>
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From: Gus Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie: cron won't work. just won't. need help.
Date: 6 Aug 1999 04:34:06 GMT
Andrew de los Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what can i do? right now i'm just
> testing, but soon i would like to make some real use of it.
It is important to give the full paths to commands listed in
crontabs, since cron does not inherit the environment normally
associated with a root shell. Find out the path of the commands, and
place a full path in the crontab.
--
Gus
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From: "Matthew O. Persico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NTFS on RH 6.0
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 23:54:52 -0400
The mount(3) page says that ntfs is a legal argument to -t. It isn't
working for me. Do I have to do some kernel/module magic to make it so?
--
Matthew O. Persico
You'll have to pry my Emacs from my cold dead oversized
control-pressing left pinky finger. -- Randal L. Schwartz
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From: Gus Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Quick Question: ISO files
Date: 6 Aug 1999 04:37:56 GMT
Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I download the Mandrake ISO onto a network drive using WS_FTP LE in
> a Windows/Novell network environment and then 'copy' the ISO file onto
> the local harddrive of a different Windows NT machine so that I can
> burn the image onto CD-R, will the file get corrupted during the
> 'copy' manuver?
That depends if you downloaded it as a binary file ar as an
ASCII file. I seem to recall WS_FTP defaulting to ASCII, although I
haven't used it for several years.
> If it will, can I download the ISO using Netscape and
> still maintain the integrity of the ISO file? The NT box with the
> CD-R burner only has Netscape and no FTP access/proggie (they were all
> stripped off).
Since netscape seems to always download in binary mode, this
should work.
--
Gus
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Are We there yet?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Clone a harddisk
Date: 6 Aug 1999 04:34:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robert Rehrl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>we have a SUSE 6.1 Internet- and E-Mail- Server (P166; IDE-Harddisk
>8,4 GB) installed. To be save from a total breakdown, we need to clone
>the actual state of the harddisk. Does Anybody know any tools to do
>this?
One solution might be to down the system, plug in a second (preferably
identical) hard drive, boot it from a floppy, and use dd to copy from one
drive to the other...something like this:
dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=512
If the contents of your hard drive will compress enough, you might instead
be able to compress the image into something that can be burned onto a
CD-R...that way, you wouldn't have to keep a second HD tied up and unusable.
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (salfter at (yo no quiero spam) delphi dot com)
\_^_/ http://people.delphi.com/salfter
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From: jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System copy to new harddisk
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:31:33 +0200
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Hi, to all Linux-users,
Would be very grateful for any advice.
Question: How to successfully transfer a complete bootable Linux-system
to a new harddisk,
and later removing the old harddisk from the machine
Have been successful so far in doing:
1) Setting up the new drive as slave
2) Copying the windows98 on the new Primary Partition with
Disk-Wizard
3) Creating and Formatting new portions on the new drive (native
82) and swap (83)
swap (250MB) native 12000MB
This the status quo now!!!!
Now I guess. Problably I have to mount the new native
/dev/hdb3 on a new directory ????
How can I then transfer (they told me to use cpio) all the data to
the new native partition??
so that I can make it bootable and can reinstall lilo for
dualboot.
Finally the old harddisk should be removed.
I thank you all so much for any help!!!!!
Especially what are the parameters for cpio
Is it
cpio copy-pass /dev/hda3 /* /dev/hdb3 /* ?????
Ownership and permissions must be the same in the new version
dev/hda3 ( my original system with all data)
dev/hdb3 (my empty new system partition)
Thank you so much gentlemen!!!!
--
--
bye from JOHN
Hans Prader,Penzendorf 84 A-4552 WARTBERG/Kr. AUSTRIA/EUROPE
Tel.0043-7587-7871
*******************L I N U X I S A L I V E***********************
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<p>Question: How to successfully transfer a complete bootable Linux-system
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<br>and later removing the old harddisk from the machine
<p>Have been successful so far in doing:
<br>1) Setting up the new drive as slave
<br>2) Copying the windows98 on the new Primary Partition
with Disk-Wizard
<br>3) Creating and Formatting new portions on the new
drive (native 82) and swap (83)
<br> swap (250MB) native 12000MB
<br>This the status quo now!!!!
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native /dev/hdb3 on a new
directory ????
<p>How can I then transfer (they told me to use cpio)
all the data to the new native partition??
<p>so that I can make it bootable and can reinstall
lilo for dualboot.
<p>Finally the old harddisk should be removed.
<br>
<p>I thank you all so much for any help!!!!!
<p>Especially what are the parameters for cpio
<p>Is it
<br>cpio copy-pass /dev/hda3
/* /dev/hdb3 /*
?????
<p>Ownership and permissions must be the same in the new version
<p>dev/hda3 ( my original system with all data)
<br>dev/hdb3 (my empty new system partition)
<br>
<br>
<p>Thank you so much gentlemen!!!!
<br>--
<pre>--
bye from JOHN
Hans Prader,Penzendorf 84 A-4552 WARTBERG/Kr. AUSTRIA/EUROPE
Tel.0043-7587-7871
*******************L I N U X I S A L I V E***********************
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Form Generation -- Print Formatter Application
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 04:39:41 GMT
On 5 Aug 1999 19:30:37 GMT, Tom Burba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Anyone know of an application that can take print output and merge it with
>a Laser Printer Macro or overlay file? We need this for high volume work.
I've done this sort of thing before; built signature macros in PCL,
had the original output include, at an appropriate spot, an
appropriately recognizable string, and then built a LPD filter that
would take files, look for the signature, and insert a reference to
the PCL macro (or insert the macro).
It tends to be something to do in C so as to get benefit of tight
integer loops...
I doubt there's any canned application for this; this sort of thing is
custom enough that I've always seen people implement it from scratch
upon need.
--
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with traffic. Yes, I know there is no other car around - that's how far
ahead of me they are.
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From: "Murali V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Setting up environment variables for CGI scripts run under apache
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:31:40 +0530
Hi,
I want to set up some environment variables which I want to use in my CGI
script. I'm able to access the variables pre-defined and setup by the web
server.
httpd kicks of all scripts under user id nobody and group nogroup. How do I
ensure that these environment variables are present when httpd kicks off the
CGI script.
Thanks in advance,
Murali
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric The Half A Bee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: 3DFX/GLIDE gamma question. Please help!
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 05:29:33 GMT
I`ve got Glidecontrol, but even maxed, it makes NO difference to the
gamma correction. Does anyone have ANY idea on how to set the gamma
properly for a 3dfx card (voodoo1) under Linux? This has been driving
me mad now for months...
Thanks
--
Something catchy should go here
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From: The RZA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: SAMBA, Linux, Win98
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:23:03 -0400
I have a Win98SE machine connected to Linux and everything is working
except for the SAMBA setup. I followed the SMB-HOWTO but in VMWare the
only system I see in 'Network Neighborhood' is the Win98SE system. The
NIC is set to 192.168.2.1 and the Win98SE system is set to the IP
address of 192.168.2.2.
Here's what I've done so far...
In the /etc/smb.conf file I've changed 'workgroup = Federation'
also changed 'server string = Linux Samba Server'
also uncommented 'hosts allow = 192.168.1. 192.168.2. 127.'
also changed 'security = share'
and finally added:
[cdrom]
comment = Plextor UltraPlex
public = yes
writable = no
path = /mnt/cdrom
Running 'testparm' gave me an OK and I have also manually started
/usr/sbin/smbd and /usr/sbin/nmbd. Can someone please tell me if what
I've done is correct so far and how to completely get my Linux PC
displayed in 'Network Neighborhood'?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (StuntPope)
Subject: let the Holy War commence...
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:44:16 GMT
http://linux.versus.ms/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: propertarianism
Date: 6 Aug 1999 05:33:37 GMT
In article <7o6o61$pse$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: And then you go on to demonstrate that, in fact, this is not at all
>: what you believe. You believe in "liberty and justice" for property
>: owners.
>
>That is incorrect, but as you've given no evidence for this assertion,
>there is nothing to refute.
That is the very *essence* of Propertarianism (what dishonest scum call
Libertarianism). Or maybe you just don't understand your own ideology?
>BTW, although it's of little relevance to anyone besides maybe you and
>Richard: I own no property. I have a good income, but give almost all
>of it away.
Do you, now? You own no stock whatsoever? No government bonds of any
kind?
>: I'll bet it'll be a cold day in hell before we see you taking action
>: against irresponsible businesses.
>
>Wrong. Individuals or entities that initiate force or fraud should be
The trick is in your definition of "force or fraud"; Propertarians have
a very slimy definition that excludes forcing people to do something by
starving them to death. This is not "initiating force" in your lexicon.
>punished severely. In my opinion, barring extreme mitigating factors,
>they should be removed from existence.
>
>This includes companies that pollute property not belonging to them,
Ahhh, but if it belongs to them then they may pollute it at will, right?
As long as a company "owns" the Earth, it may destroy it utterly so that
no future generation may make any use of it.
>or knowingly harm their workers or consumers without their informed
>consent, etc.
So according to you, it's a-okay to harm workers or consumers so long
as you've gotten their signature on a rag. And of course, poverty is not
a mitigating factor, economic force does not exist. How very convenient
for you.
It's even more convenient how you believe companies and other non-humans
should be held to the "innocent until absolutely, scientifically proven
to be guilty" standard. Funny though, nobody else believes that shit!
>The libertarian position is actually the ONLY environmentally and
ROTFLMAO!!!!! The Libertarian position is the only position that
assigns absolutely *ZERO* value to future generations.
>socially responsible position. It is the only one to my knowledge
>that acknowledges the right of every human being to not just property
>(as you and Kulisz repeatedly assert, without any supporting
>evidence), but to life as well. Note: this includes health; to expose
>someone to tobacco smoke or asbestos or radon without their informed
>consent is very much a crime in ANY sane society, and a tort as well.
You keep stressing "without their informed consent". The key fallacy
of Propertarianism is that humans are perfectly rational individuals.
They're not and anyone who believes they are is a babbling idiot.
You shouldn't even bother with claiming that Propertarianism promotes
(let alone guarantees) human survival for everyone; the exact opposite
is trivially proved. What rights does a penniless person have? None
whatsoever. In order to guarantee everyone's right to survival, you
need to redistribute wealth and that's absolutely verboten in the
Propertarian Bible.
>Business not only does not get a free ride in a libertarian society,
In a Propertarian "society" nobody "gets a free ride" since implementing
Propertarian dogma would immediately lead to the annihilation of society
and the collapse of civilization. I'm surprised you used the S-word at
all since extreme right-wingers like Propertarians are usually intent on
denying the existence of society.
>but it also does not get the many subsidies that it tends to get in
>the current societies where money equals power. In libertarianism,
Propertarianism is the *ultimate* in "money == power". In your utopia,
there would be no way for a supermajority to force a wealthy individual
to do anything. This is the exact *OPPOSITE* of giving power to people.
>there is no power greater than the individual, except for powers that
>result from voluntary cooperation amongst like-minded individuals.
>Money does indeed imply power in the CURRENT systems. It need not and
>should not in a libertarian system.
You should read some of the critiques of Propertarianism. They might
prove enlightening. *NO* serious philosopher believes in Libertarian
doctrine. Even Robert Nozick never quite swallowed it; he wrote his
book because he "could see nothing wrong with these arguments" and
since then people have managed to soften up his skull enough to get
some of the obvious arguments through.
Critiques of Libertarianism: Criticisms of Robert Nozick ...
http://www.world.std.com/~mhuben/nozick.html
is a good start.
>I am opposed to the initiation of force or fraud regardless of whether
>you call it "capitalism" or not. And certainly in current societies,
>money can buy the alleged "right" to inflict harm on others with
>impunity. That is a bug, not a feature. It is one of the things that
>libertarians wish to fix.
WHICH libertarians? Certainly not The Party since it's sold itself off
to the corporations. Are you talking about the Libertarians who were
purged out of The Party for being poor?
>I believe, for reasons way beyond the scope of this discussion, that
>most businesses in a libertarian society would be small. The
This is certainly the utopia of "Libertarianism" which started out
as an ideology for shopkeepers. But it is essentially a Luddite
attitude since it's an attempt to go back to pre-Industrial days
by denying the reality of economies of scale. The simple facts are
that size = power, always has and always will. The only choice is
between large corporations and large masses; between capitalists
and democracy/socialism/Marxism.
>economies of scale that encourage business expansion tend to be
>offset, past a certain size, by the exponentially increasing cost of
Which are more than sufficiently offset by the simple fact that
size = power.
>bureaucracy. In the current regime, large businesses lobby government
>for special favors that reward them and punish smaller businesses.
>(Most existing environmental laws, worker health and safety laws,
>building codes, etc. have this effect - they do NOT have the effect
>of actually protecfting the environment, worker health or safety,
>etc.)
You are talking only about the *US* government. I note that Europe
has banned BST meat and that ban *DOES* have the effect of protecting
the public health! In your utopia, government would have no power to
do such a thing. It wouldn't even have the power to force businesses
to indicate whether meat is polluted with IGF (ie, whether cows were
injected BST).
>In a libertarian society that is not possible, because governments are
>not granted power to issue subsidies or to make any laws not necessary
>to protect life, liberty and property. They are not only allowed,
Are you saying that governments must have the power to redistribute
wealth?
>however, but REQUIRED to do what is necessary to protect life, liberty
>and property, and also equal protection under the law. (The rich are
>entitled to neither greater nor lesser protection than the poor, nor
>are larger businesses any more or less entitled to protection, or more
>or less accountable, than smaller ones or individuals).
The only way to achieve that is to eliminate the very rich. Are you
saying the government is required, in a Libertarian utopia, to impose
wealth and inheritance taxes?
Finally, a key problem with your dogma is *who* is supposed to force
government to do what it is required to do? What agency, what segment
of the population, does the government serve in your utopia? Surely
you don't mean it to be a power unto itself?
>: You give no impression of having any profound understanding of the
>: topic.
>
>I'm not surprised that you feel that way given that you don't even
>understand the words I'm using. I'm not sure I understand the words
That's right; propertarians have their own twisted and bizarre definition
of "freedom" and "rights".
[snip]
>When people threaten harm that *can* be repaired, I respond by
>exposing them and their beliefs as well as their past and likely
>future results. Many find that very uncomfortable. I would submit
>that any honest person, regardless of his or her ideology, should have
>nothing to fear from his or her views being exposed and explored.
Well then you must be *VERY* dishonest since you obviously have *MUCH*
to fear.
[snip]
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From: "Murali V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache news groups
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:32:09 +0530
Hi,
Are there any active newsgroups for apache ?
Thanks,
Murali
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