Linux-Misc Digest #384, Volume #20 Fri, 28 May 99 19:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: choosing an OS for a retired Sun workstation (Mikhail Teterin)
Re: The Glass Cathedral (Paul Anderson)
Re: first/second/third world (pspc)
w3cam software ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: xterm & background processes (Marc Mutz)
Re: kernel error at boot (Ed Young)
Re: screen size problem (Ed Young)
Re: Help with CRON (Marc Mutz)
Sybase OC 10.03 Install Help? (Al Spohn)
Completly remove LILO (Nuno Donato)
Redhat 6.0 Questions ("theoddone33")
RedHat 6.0 questions (Chuck Cusack)
Re: first/second/third world ("Roberto Leibman")
A problem Gigabyte with Celeron 400 ("Kemal E. Tepe")
Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!! (Jason Clifford)
Re: Linux not shutting down ("Barton Phillips")
Re: Differences between Unix and Linux (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: My Windows is dead...and I need it!! ("Steven K.I")
Segmentation Fault while running "Top" ("John Jacobs")
Re: Rechte :-( (Gerald Willmann)
cant find modem???? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mikhail Teterin)
Subject: Re: choosing an OS for a retired Sun workstation
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.unix.solaris
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:11:32 GMT
Ok, so it seems I'll go for OpenBSD, because I like FreeBSD, and the
choice between Net and Open boils down to personal sympathies :)
>: I'd prefer to set the disk up at home, using my FreeBSD/i386
>: machines, but I'm not sure I can make it bootable by a Sun box.
> I load mine with either from a FBSD box with a CD, via ftp. Works
> fine. Mount the CD on the FBSD box, and then ftp when it calls for the
> files.
Mm, no, the two computers are miles apart. The harddrive is a lot easier
to move. Can I, possibly, set up the disk while it's hanging off of my
FreeBSD/i386 machine, then carry it over and attach to the Sun? Does not
have to be an automated procedure... Alternatively, can I boot the Sun
from the CD? It has no floppy drive :(
Thanks!
-mi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: The Glass Cathedral
Date: 28 May 1999 14:05:53 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gilles Pelletier) writes:
>But I've got a feeling that
>many other non-gurus share. Like investors, I believe that if the
>present conditions prevail, Linux will be a passing fad.
>
You lack understanding on many issues you bring up... Firstly, Linux, unlike
Windows, does not randomly break. You have to change something, and there is
always a logical cause for the problem. Factory configured systems, for which
the user is not given the root password will continue working without any
problems for the longest time, until the disk fills.
Secondly, one must first learn something before one can use it. That is
inevitable, whether you want to learn Win95, Linux or you want to drive your
new car or run your dishwasher. It's moronic to think that you shouldn't have
to learn anything to use a computer, they are, after all, one of the most
complex devices mankind has ever built! Putting Win95 on a computer is like
replacing the control room of a nuclear reactor two big buttons, one labeled
START and the other labeled STOP. At least Linux makes it fun to learn how to
do things and makes you interested in learning.
Thirdly, the idea the you can have a newbie for a sysadmin is complete bunk.
System administrators HAVE to know what they're doing, all the time and every
time. They HAVE to be experts, or else nothing will work. Windows NT has
created a myth that you can take any moron from your company that doesn't put
a floppy disk in upside down, sit him in front of the server, give him a badge
that says "SYS ADMIN" and he'll be a good system administrator. That just
isn't true. A system administrator has to be an expert on running his system,
he has to know security and optimization. He has to be able to program in C,
perl, C++, python and learn whatever programming language he needs very
quickly. He has to be able to respond to emergencies quickly and swiftly, he
has to be able to cable up the network, has to know the hardware, which
hardware is best, etc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (pspc)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 28 May 1999 19:20:29 GMT
In article <7imno5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Roberto Leibman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>pspc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:7imjip$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> By analogy, I guess that we could denote the various commercial Unices
>> as "First World" and Microsoft Windows9x/NT as the "Second World."
>> Linux is then a Third World system, but one rapidly approaching First
>> World status.
>
>Which is funny, because this has *always* been exactly the statement made by
>the "leaders" of the third world in describing their own countries (fastly
>approaching first world status) for example, ex-president Salinas of Mexico
>said it just before the last economic crisis.
>If you are going to use an analogy, be prepared when it doesn't go in your
>favor <grin>
I hadn't considered that. . . And here I was worried that such a
comparison would offend Windows advocates <grin> maybe now I should
worry about annoyed Linux advocates too. . .
Do I need to add that this is not necessarily an exact analogy?
After all I don't expect MS to fall apart quite as badly as the SU did
<grin>.
pspc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: w3cam software
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:58:11 -0400
hi,
i am desperately looking for the w3cam software from rasca. the
webserver it could be downloaded from is dead.
so if anybody has it or at least a working link, please send it to me.
thx a lot
h
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:59:02 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xterm & background processes
Conway Yee wrote:
>
> Running a terminal and involking a background process, say "foo &"
> should invoke foo in the background that is detached from the parent
> process.
wrong. it's not detached, it only runs in the background: try
foo &
fg
> Specifically, when I terminate the parent process, the
> xterm, foo should continue to run.
worng. If a process (the shell which runs in xterm) is terminated, it
sweeps all 'jobs', i.e. bg and fg processes (man bash)
> As a specific example, I run emacs
> in the background and then terminate the xterm from which it runs
> should not kill emacs.
Yes, it should, see above
> Is there a setting somewhere that I am
> missing? I am running RedHat 6.0 and have noticed this problem since
> 5.2 although the problem is getting more annoying. I am also running
> GNOME and Metro-X. I doubt a GNOME error because it predates my use
> of GNOME.
NO errors, just features. Try to iconify the xterm-window. It will have
essetially the same effect as to close it, but prog's started from it
will continue to run. Or use a button.
Marc
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel error at boot
Date: 28 May 1999 20:13:59 GMT
Stefano Ghirlanda wrote:
>
> Hi,
> at boot time I get this kernel message:
>
> May 26 12:17:47 [hostname] kernel: Error seeking in /dev/kmem
> May 26 12:17:47 [hostname] kernel: Error adding kernel module table
> entry.
>
> My kernel is a custom 2.2.3 on a redhat 5.2 installation. I have had it
> since two months but I don't remember seeing these errors. I also use the
> smbfs and 3c59x loadable modules. These services work correctly.
>
> The system comes up and seems to work as it should, but only apparently...
> some operations as root do not work (possibly other stuff). For instance,
> httpd does not seem to respond to connections. Nothing in the log files.
> If I open an xterm, su root, then open another xterm, this hangs. All
> programs that need to open a window hang likewise if run as root, but
> otherwise seem to work fine (e.g. emacs -nw works but emacs does not).
> When such things happen I see a "[date] [hostname] kernel: khm" in the
> logs and on the console. I had no luck in finding out what this error
> means.
>
> On possibility is that I screwed up permissions on some files, I did a
> "chmod [something] /* " instead of "chmod [something] ./*" roughly when
> the problems first appeared, and it went on a few seconds before I
> interrrupted it. Then I did a rpm --setperms `rpm -qa` to repair the
> thing. This wouldn't affect my kernel since it is not installed as an rpm
> package. But I don't know where to start to find out is some permissions
> are wrong, given the symptoms I see and the fact that I don't understand
> the boot and log errors...
>
> I would really appreciate some help since I pretty lost here.
> Thanks to everyone,
> Stefano
Take kerneld out of your startup (2.2.x doesn't need it):
man chkconfig
to see how.
Also update the following rpm's (required by 2.2.x):
SysVinit-2.76-0.i386.rpm (from Mandrake)
dhcpcd-1.3.16-0.i386.rpm
initscripts-3.91-2.i386.rpm
ipchains-1.3.8-1.i386.rpm
ipchains-scripts-1.0.2-3.i386.rpm
losetup-2.9i-2.i386.rpm
modutils-2.1.121-4.i386.rpm
mount-2.9i-2.i386.rpm
mouseconfig-3.5-1.i386.rpm
net-tools-1.50-1.i386.rpm
pciutils-1.10-1.i386.rpm
procinfo-15-1.i386.rpm
setserial-2.15-1.i386.rpm
util-linux-2.9i-2.i386.rpm
At least that's what I did. I'm running RH5.2 with kernel 2.2.5. This works
very well for me. It's rock solid stable. Best of luck...
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: screen size problem
Date: 28 May 1999 20:20:25 GMT
Brian Jones wrote:
>
> I've got red hat 5.2 installed and most things are working fine, but the
> screen size is wrong. The virtual desktop is a few inches larger than
> the screen, and it's also not seeing all of the colors right. The
> monitor's pretty generic (IBM G70, 17 inch), and I've tried messing with
> the /etc/X11/XF86Config file, but none of the changes seem to take
> effect. I'd really appreciate any advice on how to fix this...it makes
> the environment rather frustrating to work in!
>
> cc a reply to my address ([EMAIL PROTECTED])...thanks!
Update your XFree86 to the latest in redhat updates.
Use XF86Setup to configure X. As a part of the process XF86Setup calls xvidtune
which is great for fine tuning X.
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:47:05 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with CRON
Jason Bond wrote:
>
> I'm trying to display a message to myself using xmessage
> and cron (actually I'm using kcrontab). The problem is that
> even though the crontab is setup correctly, the xmessage
> is not displayed on my screen...does anyone know why this
> might be so? Thanks much in advance,
>
> Jason
You can't start X app's with cron. They try to open a display, but
cannot (not allowed, not knowing which, etc). I guess you could try with
'at', but maybe that works only as long as you stay logged in, and maybe
not even that...
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Al Spohn)
Subject: Sybase OC 10.03 Install Help?
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:01:00 -0500
Howdy - I've downloaded the Sybase Open Client/C 10.03 software, but now I
guess I need an idiot's guide to install it on my Redhat 5.2 system.
Without a really obvious makefile or rpm setup I'm kind of lost. All the
Sybase install docs for other systems I've seen talks about installing from
CD... so, if someone has the patience to take me from the point of having
unpacked the download to firing up xisql, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Al
Al Spohn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Nuno Donato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,hk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Completly remove LILO
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:07:49 +0100
Can anyone tell me how can i completly remove LILO from my Red Hat 5.2?
I have fdisk and cfdisk.
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From: "theoddone33" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redhat 6.0 Questions
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:16:28 -0500
Ok, I just changed distros from Slackware 3.5 to RH 6.0. I want the "ls"
command to automatically use the options "--color" and "-F". In Slackware,
I gather this was accomplished by the /etc/DIR_COLORS file, but in RH, this
file does nothing. Also, I don't know how to start my default window
manager. The X Server works fine, but for some reason I can't get it to
launch KDE. What file would I put the "startkde" command in?
Thanks
--
theoddone33
"Brevity is the soul of wit"
AGQ2 Configs Page:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/crbray/
My homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/2541/
To email, descramble the pig latin
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From: Chuck Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat 6.0 questions
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:54:19 -0500
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I just installed RedHat 6.0, and am having a few problems:
I am running the default X stuff--Gnome and Enlightenment.
First, whenever I launch a gnome-terminal, and several other
applications, they bring me into the directory
/home/cusack/.gnome-desktop
Why? This is annoying. I want to go to /home/cusack. I looked, but
can't find a setting anywhere to make it do this.
Second, programs crash at odd times, and I don't know why.
In particular, in netscape when I am editting a document, and
go to create a link, then hit the OK button, netscape crashes. Why?
It is netscape 4.51.
Third, Is it possible to put things like wmmon, wmWeather, etc in the
panel in Gnome?
It doesn't seem to work. It puts them on the desktop instead. This
would be fine if I could
launch them every time I logged in, but can't figure out how to do that
either.
Lastly, do Gnome and Enlightenment take a lot of memory? I
used to run RedHat 5.2 with AfterStep with 64M memory, and usually used
about all of it.
Now I have 128M with Gnome and Enlightenment, and am still using about
all of it.
Chuck.
P.S. Send copy of response to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.
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| Graduate Student |
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| University of Nebraska-Lincoln |
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I just installed RedHat 6.0, and am having a few problems:
<br>I am running the default X stuff--Gnome and Enlightenment.
<p>First, whenever I launch a gnome-terminal, and several other
<br>applications, they bring me into the directory
<br>/home/cusack/.gnome-desktop
<br>Why? This is annoying. I want to go to /home/cusack. I
looked, but
<br>can't find a setting anywhere to make it do this.
<p>Second, programs crash at odd times, and I don't know why.
<br>In particular, in netscape when I am editting a document, and
<br>go to create a link, then hit the OK button, netscape crashes.
Why?
<br>It is netscape 4.51.
<p>Third, Is it possible to put things like wmmon, wmWeather, etc in the
panel in Gnome?
<br>It doesn't seem to work. It puts them on the desktop instead.
This would be fine if I could
<br>launch them every time I logged in, but can't figure out how to do
that either.
<p>Lastly, do Gnome and Enlightenment take a lot of memory? I
<br>used to run RedHat 5.2 with AfterStep with 64M memory, and usually
used about all of it.
<br>Now I have 128M with Gnome and Enlightenment, and am still using about
all of it.
<p>Chuck.
<br>P.S. Send copy of response to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.
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From: "Roberto Leibman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:36:52 -0700
pspc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7imjip$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> By analogy, I guess that we could denote the various commercial Unices
> as "First World" and Microsoft Windows9x/NT as the "Second World."
> Linux is then a Third World system, but one rapidly approaching First
> World status.
Which is funny, because this has *always* been exactly the statement made by
the "leaders" of the third world in describing their own countries (fastly
approaching first world status) for example, ex-president Salinas of Mexico
said it just before the last economic crisis.
If you are going to use an analogy, be prepared when it doesn't go in your
favor <grin>
--
Roberto Leibman
Talaria Research, Inc.
http://www.talaria.com
Cxi tioj opinioj ne necese estas la opinioj de la administrantaro
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From: "Kemal E. Tepe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: A problem Gigabyte with Celeron 400
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:30:09 -0400
Hi Folks,
I recently purchased A Gigabyte GA-6BXC motherboard with Celeron 400 and
64 MB PC100 SDRAM. I am running this with 66 MHz bus speed since system
does not boot at 100 MHz bus speed.
The problem occurs when I try to compile some large programs such as the
compiler egcs-1.1.2, or gcc-2.8.1 with this system, the current compiler
gives FATAL SIGNAL 11 error and stops. But the same system compiles
kernel, 2.2.9 and some small C programs without a problem.
The current compiler is 2.7.2.1 and I am using it with my K6-300 system
and K6 system compiled gcc-2.8.1 without a problem. This eliminates a bug
in the compiler. So the only cause for SIGNAL 11 is hardware.
But I could not locate the source of the problem exactly,
Do you have any ideas in order to fix the problem ?
Running PC100 SDRAMs at 66 MHZ bus speed can create a problem ?
Thanks you for any reply in advance.
Kemal E. Tepe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AutoInstall is for experts, not beginners!!!
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:20:43 +0100
On Fri, 28 May 1999, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> Interesting. I couldn't use KDE or GNOME anyhow with my 486 16 megs 1
> meg video.
I have a 486, 20MB RAM, 256K video card, etc here that runs Definite Linux
6 and Gnome 1.0. It is not fast(!) but it does run it.
Actually it only ran it for testing purposes. The system is now
decommissioned until next week when it becomes a router for the leased
line here again.
Jason Clifford http://www.jasonclifford.com/
Linux Consultancy and Support Services
PC and Server systems with Linux/FreeBSD
**** Now offering LAPTOPS with Linux pre-installed ****
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From: "Barton Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Linux not shutting down
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:07:00 -0700
Are you using innd and squid? A lot of time they are installed but not used.
Innd is the news server and squid is a proxy caching server. If you aren't
using them then stop those services. You can use linuxconf to do the job.
The tab is in the control area.
Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7ikoq2$mt5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> When I try to reboot it says INND "failed" and then it stops at 'shutting
> down SQUID'. What do I do?
>
>
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Differences between Unix and Linux
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:33:04 +1000
Michael Sweeney wrote:
>
> Can someone point me to a site or explain the MAJOR differences between, say
> Linux and Sun's version of Unix?
There are no major differences, only minor ones.
> Can I take a program from a Sun work station and have it run on Unix?
Most source code is portable between the various unices and Linux.
Executables in genertal are not but I understand some binaries from
Sun Solaris x86 (ie intel not sparc processors) can run on linux and
vice versa.
> What about syntax? what about security? what about ...anything you can tell
> me....thanks!
Not a whole lot of difference here except that security problems
are usually fixed much more quickly on Linux than on others.
Erik
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Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hiesenbugs - The bugs that go away when you turn on debugging.
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From: "Steven K.I" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Windows is dead...and I need it!!
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:23:36 -0700
Oic...thanks for telling that.
Unfortunately, I have reformatted my disk drive and lost Linux and Win98.
But now I remember that you can't install the LILO application onto
a FAT32 partition. Well, thanks for the advice and I will refer to this
post when I get the CD version. The first installation of Linux was a test
to determine if everything worked out. I still do have the desire to learn
Linux :)
mist wrote:
>
> Steven K.I <"The Phat Impala SS CreW"@san.rr.com> scribed to us that -
> >I have Windows 98 on a 10 gig and RedHat 6.0 with KDE on a 4.3 gig.
> >I decided to put LILO on the MBR where Win98 is installed but when
> >I decided to test Windows out I wasn't able to load Windows...somehow
> >Linux must of "destroyed" Windows 98. Any ideas on how to get Win98 back?
> >I have re-installed Linux and KDE, but Win98 still refuses to load.
> >Command.com is apparently "missing" even though I boot with a dos boot disk
> >and it is still there.
> >(Luckily, I have this laptop to work with. :)
> >
> >
>
> Use the dos boot disk to get a prompt and type
>
> FDISK /MBR
>
> from it. Assuming you have a working FDISK on the dos bootdisk then
> that should fix your win98 MBR and let you boot windows again. You
> can't use LILO on the MBR of a fat32 disk.
> --
> Mist.
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From: "John Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Segmentation Fault while running "Top"
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:50:20 -0500
Hi, I'm using Redhat 5.2 and "top" gives a segmentation fault after about 24
hrs. It used to run for weeks at a time with no problems. . . what the heck
could be causing this?
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rechte :-(
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:50:58 -0700
On Fri, 28 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> chmod u+w ... hier bin ich der User, ok.
> chmod a+w ... das gilt wohl fuer alle und jedermann, oder?
> chmod g+w ... das sollte fuer die Gruppe gelten, doch welche Gruppe?
>
> Wie kann ich expliziet einer Gruppe bestimmte Rechte einraeumen?
bei using chgrp to give the file to any group you want
can't tell you anything about vfat partitions as I don't have any.
I would recommend only using ext2 :)
GErald
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: cant find modem????
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:29:47 GMT
hi there
my suse 6.1 installation cant find my modem, its a us robotics
sportster o461 v90/56k voice, the modem works in dos / win, os/2 ,
and other os's. well wait minicom found it wvdial and the others
didnt, any ideas?
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