Linux-Misc Digest #385, Volume #20 Fri, 28 May 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: KDE vs. GNOME (bill garrett)
Re: first/second/third world (Bev)
Re: first/second/third world (witra)
Re: reconfigure the boot process? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red Hat 6.0 (Chuck Cusack)
Re: Netscape Keeps Stalling (Bev)
RedHat 6 Install troubles (Grand Poobah of PRAM)
Re: first/second/third world (Alexandre Oliva)
Re: KDE vs. GNOME (jik-)
Re: URGENT. Dead or life. (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: RPM Libraries/CVS Question (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Real Player G2 (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Port scanner (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: Differences between Unix and Linux (jik-)
Re: Fun things to do with an extra linux box (George Dau)
Re: first/second/third world ("Chad Mulligan")
HP T4000s Tape Drive (SCSI) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Redhat 6.0 Questions (Lev Babiev)
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From: bill garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs. GNOME
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:59:14 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde/mandrake has worked fine for me on cyrix p200 home box and pII350
work box. it has some nice sys config and file programs and has a swell
thing called kppp to get net going. it is not slow. i tried several
times to install and run gnome but never could get it to do right- too
many adjustments in the x-server.
Robert Washburne wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am currently running the default fvwm2 under RH 5.2.
>
> I am concidering "upgrading" to either KDE or GNOME. But I would like
> to do it just once; not install one, decide it was a mistake and install
> the other. Life is so short.
>
> Looking at the home pages and checking the screenshots and feature lists
> for both environments hasn't told me much. Their bullet lists are very
> close.
>
> So far, the only "differences I can see are:
> -) GNOME is a GNU project and so must adhere to known coding standards
> (such as being proof against buffer overflow attacks).
> -) KDE appears to be more popular, but appearences can be deceiving...
> -) There are occational threads about KDE being slow, but have not heard
> about GNOME...
> -) Mandrake is now using KDE as the default, but you can switch to GNOME
> (how difficult?).
>
> So...can anyone tell me what the differences are between the two
> products? Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison? Any informed
> opinions?
>
> Any and all comments gratefully accepted (but DON'T try to give me any
> "input". I leave that to the computers).
>
> Thanks Much!
>
> --
> Bob Washburne
> 610-939-3551 (office) 610-939-6058 (fax)
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:27:43 -0700
pspc wrote:
> No, it's got nothing to do with the idea of the "New World," which is
> how the Americas have been described since Columbus. "Third World" is
> a more recent idea. This is a scheme that some academic, whose name I
> can't remember at the moment, came up with to describe how he divided
> the post-WWII world into various economic blocs. As I recall it was:
>
> First World: Industrialized nations (US, Canada, Western Europe).
> Second World: The Communist bloc (Soviet Union and East European
> satellites).
> Third World: Developing nations (for example, Brazil, India).
> Fourth World: Undeveloped nations (for example, Bangladesh).
My interpretation:
First World: Us
Second World: Them
Third World: Where you won't drink the water
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Cheers,
Bev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (witra)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:20:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
>US, Western Europe and Canada are First World. East Block (including
>Italy IIRC) used to be Second World but they're now back to Third World.
The first world is earth... oops, I'm thinking of the wrong newsgroup.
This is not sci.space.station. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: reconfigure the boot process?
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:25:15 -0400
> with the "server" configuration, but now I want to eliminate some of the
> services that are loaded during the boot process.
...
> I looked all over my /etc/rc.d directory, and innp (again, sp?) has its own
> directory, initilization scripts, and entry in the init.d directory.
You are in the right neighborhood. Your initialization stuff is in
/etc/rc.d
There are a bunch of scripts to start services in /etc/rc.d/init.d
The scripts accept a parameter of 'start' or 'stop', depending on
whether you want to start or stop the service. So to start your PCMCIA
service, you could type '/etc/rc.d/init.d/pcmcia stop'
Here's where it gets wierd.
When you boot, init launches /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit. Then it launches
/etc/rc.d/rc and passes it the runlevel. 'man init' to learn more about
runlevels.
rc runs the service scripts for the runlevel (see below).
There are 7 directories under the /etc/rc.d directory named rc[n].d
These represent the services for various runlevels. Each of these
contains a bunch of symlinks.
These symlinks are named after the services they are linked to, and
prefaced with 'Snn' or 'Knn' (ex: S60lpd) If the name begins with S,
the service will be started when you enter that runlevel. If the name
begins with K, the service will be stopped when you enter that runlevel.
The nn number determines the order that the scripts will be run in.
For example, I have S60lpd in my /etc/rc.d/rc3.d directory that is a
symbolic link to /etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd When I boot into runlevel 3, rc
will run '/etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd start', (after it runs all the scripts
with a number lower than 60). If it were K60lpd, rc would run
'/etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd stop'
The last script is typically 'S99local', which runs /etc/rc.d/rc.local
If you need to add something to your startup and don't feel like
screwing with all this, you can put it in the rc.local script. But if
you are starting a service that already has a script in
/etc/rc.d/init.d, then definitely use that instead.
I believe that the normal runlevel is 3, or 5 for X. /sbin/runlevel
will tell you what it is now.
Now that you have been edjukated, there are some utilities to help.
With Red Hat, you should have /usr/bin/X11/tksysv (for X) and
/usr/sbin/ntsysv to help.
Good luck!
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From: Chuck Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6.0
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:01:03 -0500
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> Do you know where I can get a 'FREE' Red Hat 6.0 CD or CD of any ew
> distribution? If you know, e-mail me.
>
> Thanks
> - The Coder
> - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not free, but very cheap from cheapbytes.com.
RedHat 6.0 distribution for 1.99 plus shipping.
Also an RPM cd and some archive CDs.
I bought mine from them and just installed this week.
It was pretty easy.
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Not free, but very cheap from cheapbytes.com.
<br>RedHat 6.0 distribution for 1.99 plus shipping.
<br>Also an RPM cd and some archive CDs.
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Keeps Stalling
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:31:48 -0700
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Michael Mika wrote:
>
> Yep. Netscape IS the problem. Killing it is the way I get rid of the runnig
> wild Instance. Somtimes Netscape dosn�t even release all resources when I
> normally exit it. Did anybody try 4.6 (yet)?
Yes. It seems to hang less frequently -- possibly for the same reason that a
clean car runs better. When I first started it up the splchkr caused a hang,
but it miraculously cured itself.
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Cheers,
Bev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grand Poobah of PRAM)
Subject: RedHat 6 Install troubles
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:25:10 GMT
Okay, well, Linux has always given me trouble installing.
And this time around I have a new puter and new hardware.
Okay, I bought Red Hat 5.2 like almost a year ago... I got that to run
okay...
(on my old computer)
And a few weeks ago I was able to get the Red Hat 6.0 GPL version.
And I can't even get the damn thing to install correctly!
First Problem:
The video card.
I have a Diamond Monster Fusion, w/ 16 MB RAM
When I get to the select video card screen, my card is not listed. (of
course!... as always)
I've tried selecting "Card Not Listed" and two other Diamond
configurations...
but no go.
Anyway, I can get past that, usually to the point where it'll at least
let me
boot up.
But that's where I run into...
Problem Two:
Right after it does the partition check, it comes up with this
"Unable to open initial console" error.
And it stops, and won't continue installation.
So I have to reboot the computer.
Any ideas???
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the gross national product of Romania on special effects and still wind
up with something that looks like a teenager's Web page."-Andrew O'Hehir
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From: Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 28 May 1999 21:21:31 -0300
On May 28, 1999, Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> pspc wrote:
>> First World: Industrialized nations (US, Canada, Western Europe).
>> Second World: The Communist bloc (Soviet Union and East European
>> satellites).
>> Third World: Developing nations (for example, Brazil, India).
>> Fourth World: Undeveloped nations (for example, Bangladesh).
> My interpretation:
> First World: Us
> Second World: Them
> Third World: Where you won't drink the water
First World: Mercury
Second World: Venus
Third World: Earth
and so on...
:-)
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs. GNOME
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:12:07 -0700
.
>
> So far, the only "differences I can see are:
> -) GNOME is a GNU project and so must adhere to known coding standards
> (such as being proof against buffer overflow attacks).
> -) KDE appears to be more popular, but appearences can be deceiving...
Sounds like GNU propoganda to me.
> -) There are occational threads about KDE being slow, but have not heard
> about GNOME...
I used KDE and found it to be VERY slow....but comming from FVWM your
going to notice any desktop being much slower. GNOME has other
problems, like being poorly designed so that people with small desktops
are going to have fun using it. I am also not a big GTK+ fan, and GNOME
is ALL GTK+.....icky (shudder) it's pretty gross.
I didn't use GNOME for very long....it was ugly, I couldn't immediately
find the way to fix the fonts so that it would be possible to use ANY of
the applications (fonts were HUGE) so I tossed it into the /dev/null
hatch. Maybe if I had given it more of a chance I would have a
different oppinion, but I don't seriously see the need for a desktop
environment, I am very happy with WM.
Actually, I would say that KDE Beta 3 was the best ever produced...But I
never tried 1.0, only 1.1pre1. Even then though, when KDE wasn't god
awful slow, the difference between it and FVWM2 was fanominal. The
difference in start up time and memory residence is like the difference
between night and day, so is it worth it?
> -) Mandrake is now using KDE as the default, but you can switch to GNOME
> (how difficult?).
No idea, I use slackware.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: URGENT. Dead or life.
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:28:02 GMT
On Thu, 27 May 1999 12:12:41 -0700, Christopher R. Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nuno Donato wrote:
>
>Get a dos boot disk and install loadlin.exe and a precompiled kernel
>vmlinuz from one of the distribution sites. Add config.sys entries as
>follows.
>
>shell=a:\loadlin.exe a:\vmlinuz root=/dev/hdxx ro init 1
NOOOOOOO! No need to do all that!
>> This is a dead or life situation.
>> I am going to explain what happened to me, because I REALLY need help.
>> I have changed a file, that contains info about the window-managers.
>> Now, every time i run linux, XDM autostarts, i enter the username(root
>> is the only user), and the password. But there must be an error some
>> whera, because, no window manager run.
>> And I am taken again to enter the name and password.
>> How can I solve this. If i haven't XDM enabled, I could edit the file
>> again from the console.
Press Ctrl-Alt-F1 - you will go to a console. Login as root, edit
/etc/inittab and change the 5 to a 3 in the line that contains
"initdefault".
Press Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot. (I think kill -HUP <init pid> then
kill <xdm pid> may also work. Try it first...)
Always rememer, Ctrl-Alt-F1 thru Ctrl-Alt-F6 (on most normal Linux
distros) will get you to a console from X. X is not dead -
whatever you have going there is still running. If you want to
get back to that, press Alt-F7 (not Ctrl-Alt-F7!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: RPM Libraries/CVS Question
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:28:00 GMT
On 28 May 1999 09:12:00 -0400, Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>A good place to start is an RPM archive that uses rpmfind, for example:
>http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/
>
>When you select a specific rpm it shows you Provides and Requires lists
>which are hyperlinked. Click on a dependency and it shows you what
Better still install rpmfind. These days I simply do
rpmfind -v some_package
and it goes out and gets everything for me, puts the whole lot
into /tmp. At that point all I have to do is "rpm -i".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Real Player G2
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:27:57 GMT
On Thu, 27 May 1999 22:28:53 -0400, Richard Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Have downloaded and installed Real Player G2 . The program opens up
>but it does nothing. I even tried Real Payer 5.0 and that program
>insisted on saving a file. Am I doing something wrong ? or it the
>program that is not configured to run properly without missing with it.
>Any replies would be appreciated.
Please be more precise in your description. I'm guessing you
mean:
"I click on a link in netscape, the player opens up, and does
nothing", for the second sentence. The third one I cant make out
- Real player never "saves" a file (unless you have "Plus" - in
which case I have no idea).
Sound to me like you dont have the %s after the word "realplay" in
netscape's applications entry for real audio. That would explain
the player opening up but not doing anything.
Read the README or installation instructions on how to configure
your netscape browser correctly. It's pretty simple, really.
If that doesnt work, go back to basics. There should be a file
called "welcome.rm" in the rp 5.0 tarball. (Sadly, the RP G2 RPM
package doesnt have one). Try to "open File" and play that in
your realplayer (either one).
If that doesnt work, you've got a different problem. Let us know.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Port scanner
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:27:55 GMT
On Thu, 27 May 1999 18:13:46 +0000, Kerry J. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Okay, dumb questions and I'm sure I already know the answer. We have a
>customer who wants to have a static IP address, but we are concerned
>that he would try to run a server on his side and with a simple dial-up
>account, that falls into a different payment bracket. To make sure that
>he doesn't run a server on his end and stays compliant with the
>agreement, I'd like to know a useful port scanner application out there
>that would check the ports on an IP address. A GUI interface would work
>well, but it doesn't have to be GUI.
I agree with all the other folks who said you shouldnt be doing
this. Most "good" ISPs have inactivity time-outs, etc to deal
with this problem. Within that time limit the customer should be
able to do what he pleases.
Also consider this: even if you find open ports for services such
as http, ftp, or whatever, it doesnt mean that he's having outside
people come in to his machine . Maybe he just has those for his
internal network, and didnt do proper tcp_wrapper-ing.
Unless you do a netstat and catch a connection in the act, a port
scan wont tell you _positively_ that he's violating your AUP.
(Which, to go back to the beginning, seems to be wrong-headed to
start with anyway!)
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Differences between Unix and Linux
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:13:58 -0700
> > Can I take a program from a Sun work station and have it run on Unix?
>
> Most source code is portable between the various unices and Linux.
> Executables in genertal are not but I understand some binaries from
> Sun Solaris x86 (ie intel not sparc processors) can run on linux and
> vice versa.
Actually, most source code has to be ported as I understand. Its easier
then porting to win95, but still a task....thats why most *nix code has
LOTS of #ifdef #endif checks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Dau)
Subject: Re: Fun things to do with an extra linux box
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:58:46 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerritt Baer) wrote:
]Well, I've found myself with an extra PII/266, and can't find a real
]use for the darn thing. I could install w95 on it to chain my pcs
]together so I can play quake2 with myself, but I was hoping to do
]something more useful/interesting with it. So i've installed SuSE 6.1
]on it yesterday and I'm trying to think of some interesting/fun things
]to do with the box. As, of now, it just sits there doing not much of
]anything :) Anyone have any good ideas?
Get a cheap 2nd hand hub, set up a home network, set up the PII as
a firewall, proxy, etc. Will keep you entertained for weeks, and
when done you have the benifits of a caching proxy, and the protection
of a firewall.
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:05:11 -0700
Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On May 28, 1999, Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > pspc wrote:
>
> >> First World: Industrialized nations (US, Canada, Western Europe).
> >> Second World: The Communist bloc (Soviet Union and East European
> >> satellites).
> >> Third World: Developing nations (for example, Brazil, India).
> >> Fourth World: Undeveloped nations (for example, Bangladesh).
>
> > My interpretation:
>
> > First World: Us
> > Second World: Them
> > Third World: Where you won't drink the water
>
> First World: Mercury
> Second World: Venus
> Third World: Earth
> and so on...
>
> :-)
>
> --
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> {oliva,Alexandre.Oliva}@dcc.unicamp.br aoliva@{acm.org,computer.org}
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Unless you're an outsider then:
1st world Persephone
2nd Pluto
3rd Uranus
Etc. ....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: HP T4000s Tape Drive (SCSI)
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:22:19 GMT
Hi all,
I have just acquired an HP T4000s SCSI Travan (TR-4) 4/8 GB tape drive
and installed it in a PCI system using a BusLogic BT-950 (FlashPoint LW)
PCI to SCSI host Adapter. It detects fine, but when I try
$> mt -f /dev/nst0 status
or any other mt command, I get "/dev/nst0: No such device". I am using
RedHat 5.2 with kernel 2.0.36 and am loading the BusLogic driver as a
module. I have checked the system logs, and the newly installed
Buslogic adapter appears to initialize successfully (I can provide logs
if necessary). When I first installed the card and the drive I booted
by typing at the lilo prompt, "linux BusLogic" to load the driver with
the default settings. The very first few times I ran "mt" on it as
above, it would pause, and then the drive would start moving the tape
(like the tape was being accessed) and then give the "No Such Device"
error above. After rebooting and using insmod to load the driver,
trying it on a RH 6.0 install on a different partition (to see if the
2.2 kernel made a difference), and other such things, it doesn't even
spin the drive anymore...it just immediatley gives the error. I've
searched the archives of this and other newsgroups, but I am at a loss.
I'm fairly new to SCSI, but not to Linux, so if I need to do something
to initialize the host adapter better (or more correctly), please let me
know. If I need to do something to have it recognize the tape drive in
Linux (which I thought it would automatically do if the SCSI card was
installed properly) please let me know that as well. I have seen
several postings on this newsgroup from the past with people stating
that this drive works fine for them, so I am keeping hope (unless I just
bought a bad drive:-()
I desparately need to get a backup done on this machine, so I really
appreciate any help.
Regards,
Bill~
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 Questions
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:49:01 -0400
> Ok, I just changed distros from Slackware 3.5 to RH 6.0. I want the "ls"
> command to automatically use the options "--color" and "-F". In Slackware,
> I gather this was accomplished by the /etc/DIR_COLORS file, but in RH, this
> file does nothing. Also, I don't know how to start my default window
> manager. The X Server works fine, but for some reason I can't get it to
> launch KDE. What file would I put the "startkde" command in?
to get ls to behave the way you want it to, alias ls to ls -F --color,
for
example if you're using bash as your main shell. Add this line to your
~/.bashrc
alias ls='ls --color -F'
as for changing the window manager (as much as I dislike KDE ;-),
change file ~/.xinitrc
- Lev
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