Linux-Misc Digest #385, Volume #21 Fri, 13 Aug 99 10:13:20 EDT
Contents:
Installation problems ("Chris Warner")
Re: "starve the rotten little bastards" (MK)
Re: Resizing partitions (John Thompson)
Re: Lilo in swap partition (root)
public health VS. medical research (Richard Kulisz)
all a matter of degree (Richard Kulisz)
Re: kernel-2.2.11 (Robin Becker)
Re: crontab problems (Gergo Barany)
Where can i download Xfree 86 3.3.34 (Michael)
Backup a 36 GB hard disk? (Stef)
vmware install question! (Paul)
Re: Where can i download Xfree 86 3.3.34 (Jon Skeet)
Re: Where can i download Xfree 86 3.3.34 (Jon Skeet)
test ("Ewoud Booyse")
Re: "locate" doesn't work ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: Best Linux dist for running SCO software? ("John G. Sandell")
Re: Grand Prix Legends / Linux: Very last call for signatures ;-) (Uwe Schuerkamp)
Re: HPDJ500C/LPRng/ifhp/apsfilter-LPRng ("John G. Sandell")
Linux and the Dung Beatles ("Ewoud Booyse")
Re: which distribution to use?? ("Christopher")
Re: "locate" doesn't work ("Russell S. DiPesa")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Richard Kulisz)
markets are creations of the state (Richard Kulisz)
Strange ("Ed Russell")
Re: Linux and the Dung Beatles (Nicholas Pappas)
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From: "Chris Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installation problems
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:48:45 +0100
I would like to install RH on my computer, but I have a problem I get disc
druid to recognise my partitions.
What I do is several ext2 partions in Partion Magic 4 and boot os the rh 5.2
install cd and get to the point of selecting which partition to put the main
part of os into and the apps into, but there are no ext2 partions shown in
partition list.
Has anyone tryed this way of insalling RH and does anyone know of a cheap
way of getting hold of an RH6 cd as I don't won't or need the full boxed
version.
All help received greatfully
Chris Warner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "starve the rotten little bastards"
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:25:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13 Aug 1999 03:48:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 12 Aug 1999 03:33:07 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
>>>Oh, but it is. Being an amoral unfeeling selfish monster doesn't
>>>negate your responsabilities, it just means you reject them.
>>
>>Being amoral monster means that you try to impose "responsibilities"
>>onto other people basically because you say so.
>Exactly. Amoral monsters such as you want others to solely take up the
>full responsability for taking care of themselves because that would
>lift your own responsability for their welfare.
And you take the knowledge about what exactly responsibilities I
have for others from the stars, or realistically speaking from some
kind of whimmy "because I say so". The kind of arguments
you present is of religious nature: you supposedly know better
because you feel righteous.
> You want all this while
>not going through the tradeoff yourself; you keep whining and whining
>about how you're taking full responsability for yourself but that's
>an odidous lie since society is already responsible for your very
>existence.
Is it really? Then I ask for society to piss off and not care about
my welfare. I have a right to do this, based on right to
self-governing that every human being has.
Marcin Krol
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Resizing partitions
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:10:05 -0600
Craig Stewart wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if I can add space to my "/" partition. It is
> currently only 100M, but I have 2GB of unpartitioned space on my hard
> drive. I would like to add some of the unused space to the / partition,
> and was wondering if there was a non-destructive way to do this.
I haven't seen any native linux utility for
non-destructively resizing ext2 partitions yet. Partition
Magic v4 (commercial software) can do this but it is not
available in a linux executable. There is a DOS executable
and OpenDOS diskette images included you can boot from to
run the program, though.
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-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo in swap partition
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:50:25 +0000
Leonard Evens wrote:
> I asked about the following matter. The Lilo User's
> Guide says you can't put the lilo boot loader in a
> Linux swap partition. But that was how my VA Research
> machine was set up. I answered my own question by
> looking at the man page for mkswap. There are two
> ways to format the swap partition oldstyle and newstyle.
> Under newstyle the first sector is not affected thus
> allowing one to put a boot loader there. One formats
> it this way with
> mkswap -v1
> By default, mkswap will use oldstyle.
>
You can put LILO on a linux swap partition? Cool!
but doesn't have any advantage over putting it in the linux boot
partition like we normally do?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: public health VS. medical research
Date: 13 Aug 1999 10:32:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:44:29 GMT, Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>This is true, because we do a lot of the basic research the UK is using.
>
>Not that either system is optimal, but most americans can't afford the
>fruits of the US's vast expenditures on medical research, either. Believe
>it or not, good public health is a matter of promoting some relatively
>inexpensive fundamentals.
Like public hygience, stopping tuberculosis, or the bubonic plague. These
are problems only in the USA. Compared to these things, research is utterly
irrelevant.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: all a matter of degree
Date: 13 Aug 1999 10:56:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 10 Aug 1999 13:49:31 GMT, Richard Kulisz wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>And where the hell is "everywhere"? The UK, US, Canada, Australia
>>and New Zealand? All the fucked up right-wing anglo-american nations!!
>
>It's obvious from the above that you've never actually *been* to
>Australia. They have what the Americans would denigrate as "socialised
>medicine" ( I prefer to call it "accesible health care" ) , and the
>government spends less per citizen than the US government.
You should note that I included my own nation (Canada) in the list of
fucked up right-wing anglo-american nations, and it *also* has what
Yankees would condemn as "socialized medicine" even though we do NOT
have socialized medicine, just *partly* nationalized medicine. Our
health care costs are spiralling out of control, but this is due in
large part to a single aspect of health care; drugs. And you know
what our corrupt politicians did? They increased the patent protection
of brand name drugs, thus *inflating* our drug bill. Ontario (the most
populated province) is ruled by an asshole who's pretty much destroyed
the hospital network, though Jean Crouton of the "liberals" is also
partly responsible for that. IOW, so-called "socialized medicine"
doesn't change the fact that We Are Fucked.
Australia is losing any vestige of civilization at a frightening rate.
Its labour market is as completely fucked as the USA's except for it
having a minimum wage, and some are calling for its abolition.
>BTW, can you name a nation that is not "fucked up" ?
At the moment, every nation is fucked up; it's just a question of
1) how much they're fucked up, and 2) how irrevocably they're fucked
up. The USA is the most fucked up nation in the Industrialized world
by a VERY long margin and will remain fucked up until another Great
Depression happens (which should be Real Soon Now). Other nations
like the UK, and France are sort of staying steady. Germany is getting
better incrementally. Canada is getting more and more fucked up, which
is why I'm bugging out of this hellhole ASAP.
Chomsky is trying very hard to be upbeat about the USA's prospects
and his arguments on the matter are excellent but the USA just doesn't
have the history other, European, nations have. The USA, by European
standards, is simply insane. Even China doesn't have as totalitarian
a propaganda system as the USA's.
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From: Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel-2.2.11
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:57:08 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Julius Longauer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
...
>
>You didn't set the new config option "maximal physical memory". Run
>"make oldconfig".
>
>Julius
What does the option actually do? I set it to 2Gigs, but no help so
really no idea. Does make oldconfig give all config flags a reasonable
value?
--
Robin Becker
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: crontab problems
Date: 13 Aug 1999 09:39:28 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I have SuSE 6.1 and I've been getting some strange errors using
>cron. I'm hoping you can help me.
>
>As root, I 'crontab -e' and put the following entry:
>[at 3am everyday] /path/myscript.ksh
<snip>
It sounds like the problem is in the script, not cron.
Gergo
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From: Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.config
Subject: Where can i download Xfree 86 3.3.34
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:30:48 GMT
can someone tell me where i can download the 3.3.4 version.
i'm using s3 trio3d, so it's important
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From: Stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backup a 36 GB hard disk?
Date: 13 Aug 1999 13:30:01 +0100
I am looking for a backup device for the 36 GB disk in our Linux
machine. Has anybody experience with backing up such amounts of data
with linux?
Stef
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul)
Subject: vmware install question!
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:51:36 GMT
I have downloaded and installed vmware for linux but can`t use it
until i install the license which has been sent to me as an e-mail
attachment!
Apparently i need to save the file in my ~/ .vmware directory with the
name "license"!
I have tried several times to do this but but when i try to run the
prog i keep getting error messages about not having the license
installed. It`s obvious i`m doing something wrong but i can`t work out
what it is!
Can anyone put me out of my misery on this one??
Feel free to e-mail me directly!
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.config
Subject: Re: Where can i download Xfree 86 3.3.34
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:57:51 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> can someone tell me where i can download the 3.3.4 version.
> i'm using s3 trio3d, so it's important
I haven't investigated closely, but http://www.xfree86.com could well be
your friend.
--
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http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.config
Subject: Re: Where can i download Xfree 86 3.3.34
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:03:19 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > can someone tell me where i can download the 3.3.4 version.
> > i'm using s3 trio3d, so it's important
>
> I haven't investigated closely, but http://www.xfree86.com could well be
> your friend.
Doh! I meant http://www.xfree86.org of course...
--
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http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: "Ewoud Booyse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:02:50 +0100
sddd
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "locate" doesn't work
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:26:44 +0400
> [root@mail cron.daily]# locate man
> locate: /usr/local/var/locatedb: No such file or directory
Why don't you try
# updatedb --outputfile=/usr/local/var/locatedb
and see what happens when you type locate "something"
next.
Ferdinand
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From: "John G. Sandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Linux dist for running SCO software?
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:07:27 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kingsley Tart wrote:
>
> What is the best Linux distribution for SCO compatibility?
>
> We have an application that has many shell scripts and binaries
> written for SCO. When we tried to extract it onto RedHat 6.0, to
> start with we had problems with cpio not being able to read the
> archive file.
>
><snip>
I run Microsoft Foxpro 2.6 for UNIX on Linux. I've tried it on a variety
of Linux distributions with good results. The latest tests were on RH
6.0 and Suse 6.1. In RH some freezes occur; Suse seems to do better.
To get FP onto the hard drive, I used tar /xvf /dev/fd0 from the /tmp
directory, found the extracted files, ran the install script.
Had to change a couple of terminfo files, one for the Linux console, one
for xterm, and one for Wyse 150 terminals. Otherwise got a floating
point exception.
Once you fix the terminfo files, you need to export a FOXTERM varible,
for instance, in X windows, export FOXTERM=xtermfox.
Also you need the iBCS emulator installed and loaded. The source is on
the RH and Suse CDs. You may need to recompile your kernel, then compile
iBCS.
To fix a terminfo for X windows, do a
infocmp -I xterm > xtermfox.
Edit xtermfox to change the terminal name to xtermfox, disable the cbt
line, and changes lines from 24 to 25. The do
tic xtermfox
which compiles the xtermfox source file into terminfo form.
Also on RH terminfo files are kept in /usr/share/terminfo but FoxPro
(and I suspect other SCO software) looks for /usr/lib/terminfo. So link
/usr/share/terminfo to /usr/lib/terminfo.
The key is probably getting the SCO program from flopy or tape to the
hard drive. Try tar tvf /dev/fd0 to see if tar can read the floppies.
Hope this helps.
John Sandell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Schuerkamp)
Crossposted-To: rec.autos.simulators,alt.3dfx.linux.games,de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Grand Prix Legends / Linux: Very last call for signatures ;-)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:03:06 GMT
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:56:28 GMT, Tony Porczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:16:01 -0600, "hotdog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Why don't you ask some of the BIG game sites to post your link?
>>You may end up with many more sigs.
>>Only a VERY small number of people read these groups really.
>
>How about Slashdot? They will sign it even if they never play :-)
>
>t.
One word, one answer: FEAR of getting slashdotted ;-)
FWIW, I already had the word up on linuxgames.com which worked
out nicely. I don't think it's going to be hit with /., and I'd
rather have "honest" signers if you get the message.
Regards,
uwe
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From: "John G. Sandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HPDJ500C/LPRng/ifhp/apsfilter-LPRng
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:09:54 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I've got a HP DeskJet 500C attached to my parallel port. I've been able to
>
> send files to it via "cat filename > /dev/lp0", so I know I've got kernel
>
> modules, etc. working right. I've installed LPRng, ifhp, and
>
> apsfilter-LPRng, but I've been unsucessful getting it to print postscript
>
<snip>
I have an HP 697C and used lprsetup to set it up - works fine. This is
on Suse 6.1. (And yes, I'm using LPRng.)
John Sandell
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From: "Ewoud Booyse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux and the Dung Beatles
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:16:53 +0100
You know, people keep talking about Linux all day as if it was something
worth talking about. I think you people are wasting your time since
Microsoft surely has some plan of getting rid of Linux.
I do not say this because I am a Microsoft freak but because surely
Microsoft can and will stand up against Linux since if they don't they'll
loose their 100 billion dollars to a bunch of hippies.
Rather talk about the road killings of dung beatles on mars.
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From: "Christopher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which distribution to use??
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:54:41 GMT
Thanks a lot for the response! Couple questions:
1. Have you been able to fix the problem with mounting cd-rom drives?
2. What does the "L" mean in "L-Mandrakes?"
Thanks again!
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From: "Russell S. DiPesa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "locate" doesn't work
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:36:31 -0700
It is not my script. It come with RH5.2. It should be run every day by the
system, since it is in cron.daily. Aynway, there is a /var/lib/locatedb and
it has a size of 0 bytes.
Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Russell S. DiPesa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > [root@mail cron.daily]# locate man
> > locate: /usr/local/var/locatedb: No such file or directory
> >
> > I ran updatedb.cron and it completed successfully, but still I receive
the
> > above message. Look familiar?
> Well, is there a /usr/local/var/locatedb? If so, there shouldn't be.
> The default location of locatedb is /var/lib -- /usr/local/var makes
> no sense and looks like you made a typo in your script.
> -ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 13 Aug 1999 12:30:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Martin R. Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>UMM, excuse me, but doesn't *every* OS manufacturer want this? Doesn't
Doesn't every person want their very own slave? Well, no. But
corporations are a hell of a lot less moral than humans; who
aren't at all moral to begin with.
[snip]
>>>That's because Windows is the dominant OS.
>>
>>And you don't think MS deliberately and consciously set out to
>>dominate the PC OS market? William Gates III said as much!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: markets are creations of the state
Date: 13 Aug 1999 12:40:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The government has already intervened, and it has done so to prevent the
>market from producing optimum results. Only copyright law prevents Cheap
>Bytes from selling Win98 CD's for $1.99.
>
>Market "failures" that are "corrected" by government action always turn out
>to be failures to produce the results desired by those in power.
The *existence* of a market is due to government intervention. Markets
of things cannot exist without property and property is established by
government coercion, by the Law and the threat of force.
You're saying that the only reason the market failed is because of the
government, but the only reason it *exists* (and thus is capable of
failure) is also due to government. If you sincerely advocate government
non-interference (as Libertarians do NOT do) then you're arguing for the
utter destruction of the market.
--
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From: "Ed Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Strange
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:26:54 GMT
Hi:
I had been running rh5.2 for quite a while and it worked fine.
However, after some research I decided to give rh6 a try. I have to admit
that it does have some improvements. However, when attempting to use one of
my fav apps (x11amp v0.9 beta) I can only get audio when running as root.
As any other user I get "unable to get audio". Any ideas, thoughts,
pointers, flames will be appreciated.
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From: Nicholas Pappas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and the Dung Beatles
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:00:33 -0400
True, Microsoft will attempt to stand up to Linux. Unfortunately they
will not hurt the progress of Linux one bit ... they may put a little speed
bump down, but those are easy enough to drive over.
What you do not understand is that Linux and Microsoft Windows are meant
for two totally different audiences.
- to make a long story short.
... Microsoft => for the masses
... Linux => for those who know what they are doing and want a powerful OS
that will do what they want.
... read on for further argument, or quite now. :)
Microsoft has created a proprietary operating system that works only on
certain machines. Microsoft also holds all rights to the OS and companies
must pay Microsoft in order write "Made for Window '98/NT" products.
Windows is an operating system for the masses. I do not hate Windows (for
what it is meant for, it does a superb job) but I know what the OS is for
and it's limitations. Windows is an OS for people who want "quick and
easy" (the masses) in an easy to use interface.
This is what Windows is. It is easy to learn and has the support that
"Joe Shmow" needs in order to get something done in today's business world.
Linux, on the other hand, was not created for the masses. It is based of
the original UNIX systems which was an OS written by Computer Scientist
*FOR* Computer Scientists. UNIX, in now way, was ever meant to become
mainstream, nor will it.
Linux has been making in-roads by helping to ease some of the pain of
installing and maintaining a UNIX system. "Red Hat" is probably the best
example -- I have yet to see another Linux program that is able to detect
as much hardware and install as quickly as a Red Hat Linux distribution.
The "RPM" package format (for RH and others) has also made installing
programs much easier.
The other thing that is very obvious in the Linux world is that there are
SO MANY DISTRIBUTIONS! You can download any of them for *free* (a free
OS...how can you beat that?) or you can go to the store and buy a CD and
manual for $30 (an OS for $30...I'd like to see Microsoft try that). I can
think of 5 names off the top of my head, and I can think of 10 total. This
is because Linux is "Open Source" (something Microsoft would never have and
is deathly afraid of). This means that *nobody* owns Linux and anybody can
write for it. A company can come along and write a Linux program with out
paying anyone for rights to development libraries or crap like that ...
just sit down and start writing.
Linux is also for those who want direct access to the OS.
What can you do in Windows? ... what Microsoft will let you. You can not
do anything in Microsoft unless a program (by Microsoft or another company)
lets you do it. If you have ever tried to code for a Windows machine, you
would now that it isn't worth learning how for 1 program.
What ca you do in Linux? ... anything you bloody well want! *Everything*
is Open Source. You don't know how to do something -- look at someone
else's code -- that is always a good start! Linux comes with all the
development packages you need to write something, and if you are missing
something you download it and install it for *free*!
I wrote 3 Windows programs in college. I can't remember how many UNIX
programs I wrote in college. Each one of those UNIX programs now sits on
my Linux box and they work *perfectly*! Since college I have written many
other programs with out a second thought for Linux. *THIS* is what Linux
is for; for people who want direct access to the OS to do what they want.
Look at the vast majority of the software available for Linux ... it is
mostly written by people because they wanted to. Some say that this
results in bad quality, but that is just not true (look at the programs and
you realize this). Quality is always high because is "Bill" writes a poor
quality program, "Joe" is eventually going to come along, look at Bill's
code and make the program better!
The UNIX/Linux operating system was never meant for everything and I do
not think it ever will be. Microsoft will never be able to stop Linux (it
might scratch it) because of the nature of Linux and the nature of
Microsoft.
Why do you think Bill Gates even cares about Linux? Because he is afraid
of it! If he wasn't, he wouldn't care. He knows that companies see it's
popularity growing and that he can loose a good portion of his NT market
(95/98/2000 market types are probably little more stable).
Why work on an OS that will only let you do what it wants you to, when you
can work on an OS that will do what you want it to? ... that is what Gates
is scared about; he knows that software developers do not like restrictions
and will take advantage of not having to.
My last point is that companies really are starting to see Linux.
WordPerfect has a Linux version of their software and well as a few other
companies.
What is more important, is that game companies are starting to see Linux!
:) Many game companies have started to look into actually writing programs
for Linux ... not simple ports like Doom, but *real* distributions of a
game written by the company for the OS.
Is Linux going to take over the world? No.
Is Linux going to put Microsoft out of business? No.
Is Microsoft going to put Linux under? No.
Is Microsoft going to start writing Linux applications? You bet.
Nick
Ewoud Booyse wrote:
>
> You know, people keep talking about Linux all day as if it was something
> worth talking about. I think you people are wasting your time since
> Microsoft surely has some plan of getting rid of Linux.
>
> I do not say this because I am a Microsoft freak but because surely
> Microsoft can and will stand up against Linux since if they don't they'll
> loose their 100 billion dollars to a bunch of hippies.
>
> Rather talk about the road killings of dung beatles on mars.
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Nicholas Pappas Hey, life is pretty stupid.
Lucent Technologies With lots of hub-bub to keep you busy,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] But really not amounting to much.
1D-185N - Shakespeare
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