Linux-Misc Digest #423, Volume #20 Sun, 30 May 99 18:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux: now or never (William Burrow)
Contributions (was Re: Tired of X11???) (Christopher B. Browne)
Java & undefined symbol: _dl_symbol_value (Neil Cherry)
Re: Linux as a server (Frank Sweetser)
small linux distribution? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Backup of raw disk image (David E. Fox)
Re: stdio.h (Martin Dieringer)
Re: awk in vi on Redhat 5.2 (David E. Fox)
Re: my user doesnt have permission??? help (DanH)
Re: Java & undefined symbol: _dl_symbol_value (Ken Williams)
Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested (Chris Hedley)
Re: Reboot command fails, post setup reboot fails ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Background Jobs ("Jeff Grossman")
Re: Oracle8i for Linux: Anyone have their CD yet? (Don Geddis)
Re: Netscape crashes and it takes the whole machine with it! (Shimpei Yamashita)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Maciej Stachowiak)
About RealPlayer G2... (Ted Sikora)
Re: stdio.h (Martin Dieringer)
Re: RedHat 6.0 questions (David M. Cook)
Passive ISDN cards and fax services (Achim Schmidt)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Maciej Stachowiak)
Offline news (newbie alert) (Richard Brisbourne)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (CodeWright)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux: now or never
Date: 30 May 1999 19:34:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 30 May 1999 02:36:39 GMT,
Gilles Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Instructions could be formatted in HTML so that if you were installing
>>>a second IDE drive from a CD, you wouldn't have to find your way
>>>through SCSI installation from ftp. You'd read just what you need.
>>
>>How does the HTML file know what it is you need?
>
>It doesn't. That's why the links are there: if you need it, you click
>it. Otherwise, you read the basics.
That is going to be one heck of an HTML file -- just look at the LDP
<http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP ) for an idea of its immensity.
>Loosing a few files is one of the many reasons they're back to
>Windows. I'd bet that there are more copies of Linux gathering dust on
>the bottom shelves that being installed on numerous computers. That's
>why I'm saying that Linux is going nowhere as an OS for the general
>public.
It gets said here over and over, nobody really cares. If you care, go
ahead and piece a distro together that you think will be better, and
try to make some money off of it (or not). There is no shortage of
examples of this.
>The guy was reporting daily on his progress and finally got his system
>up and running (in 16 bit colors!) in "only" 4 days... after somebody
>went to his place to fix things. Then, nothing: a few "I'll be back"
>in December and he vanished in the haze. Don't ask about him, he's
>just gone. And it's Linux hoopla all over again.
I'm sure the majority of people in this newsgroup can install Linux over
lunch break. Clearing out the cruft is another matter (what the heck is
a tamagotchi server anyway?).
>I don't know how many small networks operate on NT in schools, but my
>nieces' school has a network and since there's no ballyhoo, my bet is
>that it's operating on NT. I guess there must be a few dozen of
>schools using NT in Quebec, but no one talks about it. It's the way to
>go, it's just normal.
Here in New Brunswick, the govt. raises a big hoopla that a company the
size of MS even pays them any attention. That MS solicits business all
over the world seems to escape them.
>In Canada, the federal and provincial governments rely almost
>exclusively on M$ software. Quebec Liquor Board, amongst others, has
>switched from OS2 to NT.
I believe Corel won a discriminatory practices suit due to the selection
procedures in one case. Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM^H^H^HMS!
Well, maybe not quite:
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9905/03/fix.y2k.idg/
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Contributions (was Re: Tired of X11???)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:52:00 GMT
On Sun, 30 May 1999 18:32:28 +0100, Mr LoneWolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
posted:
>>>>"What have you contributed to free software today?..."
>>>
>>>What do you want me to contribute with... money? ;O)
>>
>>One of many possibilities... See URL below...
>
>
>I rather eat up my sock than contribute with money(code contributions is
>another thing though)... But thats me...;O)
Hmm. Apparently you were willing to invest your money in computer
equipment.
If there are the 10-odd million Linux users that are claimed, then at about
$1K/box, that's TEN BILLION DOLLARS (assuming USD; feel free to think about
that figure in terms of local currency...) that represents a sizable amount
of money spent.
It is reasonably likely that *that* spending resulted in Microsoft's coffers
receiving a sum of on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars, what
with the propensity for pre-installs getting replaced by Linux.
I would think it a small matter for someone who has already spent perhaps
thousands of dollars on hardware, and as likely as not paid in as much as
$200 for the Microsoft Tax (for W95 + MS Office pre-installs), to consider
tossing the piddling sum of $20 at the free software community.
That "piddling sum" would be *well* outweighed by amounts likely to be
received by Microsoft as a result of the hardware sales, and would represent
a minscule percentage of the overall spending.
If you prefer to consider that such tiny sums of money are of tremendous
importance to you, and that you'd be shocked and appalled at anyone
investing any money in the construction of "free" software, feel free to do
so.
Keep in mind, of course, that if people buy systems pre-constructed, that
monies *will* get spent on their behalf on software, whether free or
proprietary... You can obviously have greater control over the deployment
of such funding if you send it directly to agencies that you'd prefer to see
funded than if you assume someone else is going to lump it into hardware
sales...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: Java & undefined symbol: _dl_symbol_value
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:55:34 GMT
The entire error is:
/usr/local/jdk/bin/../bin/i586/green_threads/java: error in loading
shared libraries:
/usr/local/jdk/bin/../lib/i586/green_threads/libjava.so: undefined
symbol: _dl_symbol_value
I haven't been able to get this corrected and I know it's a library
problem. Does anyone know what library _dl_symbol_value is in?
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics GB)
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux as a server
Date: 30 May 1999 15:34:51 -0400
Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I know that SAMBA can be used as a Windows file server, but what I would
> like to do is to use one box as a Windows fileserver, possibly a Windows
> application server, and a Linux file/application server. Is this
> possible?
an application is really not much more than a bunch of files. likewise, an
"application server" is nothing more than a fileserver that happens to be
server applications, sometimes exclusivly (ie, not server home dirs or
anything else). so, yes, they're the same thing.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.5 i586 | at public servers
I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody. It doesn't generate revenue.
(Dave '-ddt->` Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: small linux distribution?
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:14:42 GMT
hi all,
is there any linux distribution that has ethernet support, and fits on a
floppy?
i would like to do this:
create a dos ramdrive
copy the linux filesystem (gz file? the doslinux dist. uses this),kernel
and some other files from the floppy to the ramdrive
boot linux from the ramdrive
mount the ramdrive and copy a few files from it to the linux filesys,
OR, mount the floppy and copy files directly from it
i know this might sound crazy, but is it possible ? or is there a better
solution? (the reason for this is because i don't want to have the hdd
running. the computer in question will be running several weeks
unattended)
tia.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: Backup of raw disk image
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 30 May 1999 19:42:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Wong wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Is it possible for me to back up a Win98 drive using 'dd' or 'cat' onto
>into a regular file on my Linux drive? (Win98 and Linux are on
>physically separate drive) e.g.
Sure you can. dd, or cat, don't care what the format of what they're
copying might be -- they just copy raw bytes.
However, you're left with all the problems of raw disk images; namely,
you'd have to restore it to a partition of exactly the same size. It
would probably be easier to handle your backup if you were to use
tar or cpio.
>Tony
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From: Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: stdio.h
Date: 30 May 1999 21:40:17 +0200
Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> please someone send me or post /usr/include/stdio.h here.
> I don't have access to a linux system
I'd be completely satisfied with the definition of FILE
thanks
martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: awk in vi on Redhat 5.2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 30 May 1999 19:38:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Berry wrote:
>Can someone explain what is failing to happen here?
>When I try to edit a DOS file -- ie one with \r\n at the
>end of each line -- in vi I do not see the ^Ms at the end
Dunno exactly why the awk would fail as I'm not an
awk guru, but IMHO you're using a sledgehammer where a
little balpeen hammer would work better :). In other
words, there are other methods that will strip off the
^M's inside vi that are more lightweight. For instance, try:
:%s/
//g (escape, use ctrl-v to enter the ^M)
>awk '{sub("\r","");print}' DOS_file > /tmp/temp.$$
>mv /tmp/temp.$$ DOS_file
Similarly, I'd use 'sed(1)' or 'tr(1)' rather than
awk here.
>Phil Berry
>For Linux training see: http://193.63.48.62:8080
>
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From: DanH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: my user doesnt have permission??? help
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:09:37 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> hi there
>
> the user i created for myself (so i dont have to be root)
> doesnt seem to have permission to do anything? i set it in the users
> group but i still cant move or copy files , access minicom, modem
> device , etc... i RTFM but i dont get it?
That's right, and that's the way it's supposed to be. You can copy just
about anything TO your home directory and that's about it. You can do
anything in your home directory you care to, but you cannot do much
outside of it.
That's the way it's supposed to work. Remember that user is for day to
day running of programs. If you want to do system work, type 'su -'
then type in the root password in an xterm and you can do anything you
need to as root.
Now do you see why viruses cannot thrive on a UNIX box? If you pick one
up as your user, the virus will only have the permissions your user
does. If YOU cannot do anything to the system as your user...
Keep a root window open somewhere and only use it if you get permission
denied and you NEED to do whatever it is to your system.
Dan
--
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Linux - Choice of a GNU generation
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams)
Subject: Re: Java & undefined symbol: _dl_symbol_value
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:30:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>The entire error is:
>
>/usr/local/jdk/bin/../bin/i586/green_threads/java: error in loading
>shared libraries:
>/usr/local/jdk/bin/../lib/i586/green_threads/libjava.so: undefined
>symbol: _dl_symbol_value
>
>I haven't been able to get this corrected and I know it's a library
>problem. Does anyone know what library _dl_symbol_value is in?
You need jdk 1.1.7 v3 cause its for glibc 2.1
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Hedley)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested
Date: 30 May 1999 17:15:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A lot of people will claim FreeBSD is faster than Linux.
> Personally, at times, I find FreeBSD faster at some tasks, like
... snip ...
> (glibc2) than on FreeBSD 4.0-current, but they run about the same
> speed on both. This, though, is just Netscape being Netscape.
I agree with the sort of response times you seem to be getting at; much
of this is based on perception of response rather than having solid
benchmarks to back it up, but FBSD appears to be lightning fast in
some areas but a bit sluggish in others; Linux seems be maintain a
constant sort of responsiveness whatever the load (within reasonable
bounds; I think FBSD wins when the paging subsystem becomes active:
Linux is fine when using the swap area to store inactive pages, but
seems to suffer when it comes to a lot of shuffling of pages between
core and swap)
> Now for the disk performance issue: do you have SCSI or IDE
> disks? If IDE, add flags
> 0xa0ffa0ff to wd0 and wd1 drive controllers, and mount the
> filesystems async, and see if that helps. You can add the flags
> to your kernel config file (recommended).
I use SCSI discs. I must confess to being something of a SCSI bigot
when it comes to PCs; maybe I'm just irked that I can't have a dozen
ESCON channels going through a fast switch direct to the CPUs, but I
shouldn't moan as PCs have really made leaps and bounds over the last
few years to address the IO bottleneck and, whilst not perfect, is
reasonably adequate for most uses! Besides, the cost of such a
theoretical setup with multiple-path gigabit channels and high-speed
switching at the core of the system would be prohibitively expensive
even in mass production, so I should be happy with my lot! Anyway,
I tend to look at IDE in whatever incarnation it exists in on any
particular day with some suspicion...
Chris.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Reboot command fails, post setup reboot fails
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:19:03 GMT
I have tried "shutdown -r now" as well and it doesn't work either.
I can see from my description why you thought I was confused about the
Pentium IIs. We have "CPU Cards" I think is the term. Basically the
cpus, RAM, i/o, etc. are on a card that plugs into a backplane. It is
a modified CS500 rack-mount machine.
Thanks,
Will
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7iqi38$bub$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Rebooting manually results in a perfectly valid Linux installation.
> >However, issuing the "reboot" or "shutdown" commands result in the
same
> >failure ...
> >
> Firstly, you really shouldn't use reboot to reboot the system,
secondly - are
> you using shutdown -r now?
>
> >The systems have dual Pentium II 450Mhz, 256 MB RAM, AMI BIOS,
Adaptec
> >SCSI cards. Also, the CPUs are on cards, not on the "main" board.
> >
> I see from the above statement that you are new to pentium IIs...
TTYL!
>
>
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From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Background Jobs
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:57:52 -0700
Hello,
If I telnet into my Linux box and start a job, and then put it in the
background, and log out, when I re-login, how can I get to that job, if it
is still running? When I type in jobs, it does not do anything. The only
thing I can figure out is because it is a different session.
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Geddis)
Crossposted-To:
comp.databases.oracle.misc,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.databases,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Oracle8i for Linux: Anyone have their CD yet?
Reply-To: Don Geddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 May 1999 21:04:30 GMT
In article <01bea998$6dd68110$24921e18@obi-wan-kanobe>, test wrote:
> Well, it's now late May and Oracle said they'd be sending out their 8i
> Linux CDs by now. Anyone have Oracle8i for Linux yet?
Yes, we've received a CD with Oracle 8i for Linux...
-- Don
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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can
picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]
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From: Shimpei Yamashita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Netscape crashes and it takes the whole machine with it!
Date: 30 May 1999 23:00:20 +0100
Jerome Mrozak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Obviously, anything that's installed in the kernel can crash the machine.
>> UNIX is not exactly a robust operating system and even mundane application
>> programs can hang the machine by tying up system resources. A classic case
>> is filling the disk up - that's why certain directories are put in separate
>> partitions; e.g /tmp, /var, /home, etc. Network apps (netscape:-)can chew
>> up kernel buffers under some conditions. And don't talk to me about
>X-Windows.
>
>Then how does Linux qualify as being *that* more reliable than Micros~1
>NT?
NT has all the faults listed above, AFAIK, *and* it also has the GUI
in the kernel. In Linux, X runs in user space, which makes it more
difficult for it to crash the kernel (though not theoretically
impossible, as it does have write access to system memory as a
root-owned process).
Other than that, Linux being more stable than NT seems to be an
implementations issue. NT, on paper, could be almost as stable as
Linux, save the graphics issue, but many people find that NT doesn't
quite deliver what it promises. Stable versions of the Linux kernel
are, usually, as stable as their design will ever allow them to be.
As an added note, usage of system resources can be controlled to some
extent on Linux machines if you feel fascist or insecure. CPU, disk,
and process usage can all be capped by the administrator, although it
is sometimes difficult to limit users to the point where the system is
bullet-proof and still have those users do useful work on the system.
I've also never heard of machines crashing because a partition became
full--some software ceases to work in that case, but the kernel doesn't
need to write anything to anything but the swap partition to continue
functioning--but maybe I'm just lucky.
--
Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.submm.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/>
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From: Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 30 May 1999 13:10:08 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> It was the 28 May 1999 18:51:51 -0400...
>
> Which they usually keep in their closet or the bunker that's required
> to be in every newly-built house. It's not like this weapon would be
> quickly at hand if some thug came into a Swiss house at night.
>
> There are a million more credible reason for the low crime rate in
> Switzerland, f.ex. that the country is not very urbanised, that
> they've got the highest GNP per capita on the whole bloody planet,
> that they've got liberal drug policies, stuff like that.
I'm not claiming the high rate of gun ownership in Switzerland leads
to the low level of violent crime. I merely claim that saying "Western
Europe has much lower gun availability and much lower crime than the
US" does not even prove a correlation, let alone cause and effect,
given that crime is just as low in Switzerland. I expect that cultural
and social factors are the main cause of the lower violent crime rate
in Western Europe, including Switzerland, and the even lower rate in,
e.g. Japan.
- Maciej
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From: Ted Sikora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: About RealPlayer G2...
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:53:19 GMT
"David E. Fox" wrote:
>
> >Donn Miller wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >>FreeBSD doesn't even have a "RealPlayer" at all -- we're stuck in
> >>the RealAudio era, which is to say, 2 years behind the current
> >>RealPlayer. Even Linux is stuck with the archaic RealPlayer 5,
>
> Can't you run it in Linux emulation?
>
I guess not...
./realplay
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
After running ldd here's the result...
/usr/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: not found
not a dynamic executable
I upgraded to the RedHat 100% compatible libraries in glibc2.tgz
from StarOffice 5.1 on top of linux_lib-2.6.1. I tried adding the /dir
to ld.so.conf and using a LD_LIBRARY_PATH script too.
Does anybody have any ideas? Maybe glibc 2.1 is needed?
--
Ted Sikora
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://tsikora.tiac.net
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From: Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: stdio.h
Date: 30 May 1999 22:50:52 +0200
Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > please someone send me or post /usr/include/stdio.h here.
> > > I don't have access to a linux system
> >
> > I'd be completely satisfied with the definition of FILE
>
>
> The datatype and purpose of '_cnt' would serve the purpose.
> The linux version does NOT matter at all.
Where can I download it? Is there a source tree somewhere?
thank you
martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:06:03 GMT
On Fri, 28 May 1999 16:54:19 -0500, Chuck Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Lastly, do Gnome and Enlightenment take a lot of memory? I
Yes. You might try switching to Window Maker.
Dave Cook
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From: Achim Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Passive ISDN cards and fax services
Date: 30 May 1999 21:31:11 GMT
Hi,
I'm looking for an faxsolution (send is need, but receive too would be
nise) for passive isdn cards (without hardware fax chip) for linux.
Hylafax ist a very nice tool, but I think, it's not working with isdn cards
like a teles, itk columus, creatix oder fritz card.
For these cards im looking for a software, that is able to send faxes.
An commandline sendfax would be very good, an integrated spooling and
controlling would be nice, but its not required (I'm able to wrote perl
skripts :-) ).
Is anybody able to help me ??
regargs,
Achim
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From: Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 30 May 1999 13:13:53 -0400
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Interestingly, one Western European country that has an _especially_
> > low rate of violent crime is Switzerland, where all adult males are
> > required to own a firearm.
>
> Well, this would be a very good advertisement *for* gun control. It
> happens that the weapons are owned by the government, given out only
> to people trained in its army, and both weapons and ammunition are
> checked in regular intervals by the army. Any misuse of such a weapon
> is a martial offense and appropriately dealt with.
>
> Thus the conditions on weapon use are much much more strict than even
> the most ardent gun control freaks in America would dare to demand.
A) I'm not claiming Switzerland is the ideal model, or that their
model even scales to larger and more culturally heterogenous
countries. I am claiming that the high availability of guns in a
society is not even demonstrated to have a correlation with a high
rate of violent crime by the example of Western Europe.
b) See other poosts in this thread - you can buy your rifle when your
term of service ends, buy more like it at any time, and buy ammo at
subsidized price.
- Maciej
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From: Richard Brisbourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Offline news (newbie alert)
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:46:25 +0100
Apologies if this is the wrong group- I've only been at this a month or
so.
Installed Red Hat 5.2, got ppp working, ploughed my way through the
intricacies of sendmail and got some apps in. Decided the last hurdle
before making Linux the default in LILO was news.
I'm posting from the UK where we pay for local phone calls, so I need to
read news offline.
I read a few support pages and HOWTOs and downloaded INN 2.2 plus suck,
as rpms, the idea being to download news from my isp and then read
locally (I still feel a bit of trepidation about compiling).
The good news:
I can dial into my isp, and download all the articles I want to my own
computer. I can use the -bl option to get suck to call lmove to
distribute the articles into the directory structure that got set up
when I added newsgroups to the "active" file. I now have a nice
collection of articles, one per file, scattered through that directory
structure, which I guess is exactly what is supposed to happen so far.
The bad news:
Although I can wander around the directory structure reading the
articles one at a time, using any handy text editor, I can't get a
newsreader to work. (I've tried slrn and trn).
I've set the NNTPSERVER variable to localhost, and have localhost set up
as a peer in incoming.conf as per the instructions. And it's also in
the hosts file, as per instructions.
Trn will happily let me subscribe to anything in inn's active file, but
insists there are no unread articles.
I can't help thinking I'm missing something stupid, but I've now spent a
whole wet Sunday on this one, and my brain hurts. Any ideas anyone?
--
Richard Brisbourne
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From: CodeWright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:23:29 -0400
NEWS wrote:
>
> Iain Georgeson wrote:
>
> >And as an encore - how many Usenet posters does it take to change a
> >light-bulb...? ;)
>
> How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
> They refuse. They say, "It's a hardware fault".
I don't know if this version made it into this thread or not, so here
goes...
Q: How many Microsoft programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. The just redefine the standard to "dark".
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
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