Linux-Misc Digest #423, Volume #21 Mon, 16 Aug 99 08:13:10 EDT
Contents:
ONLY ADULTS 85710 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
help removing linux (Brett & Regina)
Re: How to put CD-ROM in a lower speed (Richard Hernandez)
/dev/linux (Waldemar Kocjan)
Re: pppd in 'setuid-root' mode (Richard G Brown)
Re: help removing linux (Abdullah Ramazanoglu)
Oracle 8i on Linux Typo! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: My Linux box was hacked! ("Luis Pinto")
Re: why not C++? (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Can anyone let me have a glic2.1 compiled Ishmail package? (Phillip Deackes)
Re: GNOME ppp applet solution (Abdullah Ramazanoglu)
Re: Linux BIGGEST Problem-Must Read (Sudhakar Govindarajan)
Re: gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 (Abdullah
Ramazanoglu)
Compile errors with Kernel 2.2.6 (Sudhakar Govindarajan)
start win95 from within Linux (J Mars)
Cheap CD-ROM Source for Linux Distributions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Debian binary?? (Martin Schreck)
Re: start win95 from within Linux (Martin Schreck)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: ONLY ADULTS 85710
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:30:20 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:56:37 +1000
From: Brett & Regina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help removing linux
I had setup Linux RH 5.2 on my system and have decided to remove it but
cannot remove the second partition on my hard drive since the boot image
is not working.........I have tried re-imaging a floppy to boot from but
it did not work. How do I remove the second partition and get the first
partition to boot to dos.
Regina
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From: Richard Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to put CD-ROM in a lower speed
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:12:42 -0700
William is correct. Also, some companies are making/have made some kind
of CD-ROM drives that use dual lasers which also solve this problem
because CLV drives didn't work as well as they should. Or something
like that.
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From: Waldemar Kocjan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: /dev/linux
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:33:18 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've got on my computer one partion running Windows98 and one running
RH6. It's not a problem to access files on Win partition from Linux but
I would like to make it to work also other way around : access files on
Linux partion from Windows98. Anyone got an idea how to do it ???
W.
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From: Richard G Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: pppd in 'setuid-root' mode
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:50:01 +0100
Reply-To: Richard G Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I have been trying to get a small dock app ("wmppp") to work. I am
> >very close but have run into 1 problem that I believe is my final road
> >block.
>
> A First run everything as root, and make sure that it works.
> Then do
> chmod a+rx /usr/sbin/pppd /usr/sbin/chat
> chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
> chmod +rw /dev/ttyS?
>
I have a problem in a similar vein:
I have PPP set up for root - with ppp-on being used to call pppd and chat,
etc and it works fine.
However, I want ppp to be available to a specific group of non-root users,
namely the group pppusers.
Accordingly, I have done the following:
made pppd suid root, and owned by group pppusers
Made the relevant users members of the pppusers group
When I call ppp-on (or even just /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1) from one of
these users' accounts, I get a permission error on /dev/ttyS1. i.e. even
though pppd is running as root, the system will not let it access the
modem.
/dev/ttyS1 is owned by root and has tty as its group.
The only thing I can think of is that pppd is calling a shell script
somewhere and so the kernel is revoking its suid status perhaps.
I can understand this if I call pppd from ppp-on, but not when it's called
by itself. Any ideas?
(Of course, I could always change the group ownsership of ttyS1 to
pppusers but then I would be giving them direct access to the port)
(I'm running Mandrake 6.0.)
Thanks,
Richard.
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From: Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help removing linux
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:14 +0300
Brett & Regina wrote:
>
> I had setup Linux RH 5.2 on my system and have decided to remove it but
> cannot remove the second partition on my hard drive since the boot image
> is not working.........I have tried re-imaging a floppy to boot from but
> it did not work. How do I remove the second partition and get the first
> partition to boot to dos.
>
> Regina
Boot from a DOS floppy and enter "fdisk /mbr"
Then again "fdisk" (without mbr) and set your DOS partition as active.
HTH
--
Abdullah Ramazanoglu ( aramazanoglu AT demirbank DOT com DOT tr )
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Oracle 8i on Linux Typo!
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:53:11 GMT
Anyone else out there received a copy of Oracle 8i for Linux on CD from
Oracle and noticed the typo printed on the disc:
"Oracle 8.1.5 for Linus"
...is this Mr Torvalds personal copy? ;-)
Stu Coates.
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From: "Luis Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: My Linux box was hacked!
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:16:47 +0100
Alan J Rosenthal wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In my opinion, it's a sign of the sophistication of computer security that
>the "exploit" programs can be written so as to automate the break-in
process.
>But it's not a sign of sophistication for someone simply to run one of
them.
>Being an *author* of some of them probably is indicative of being a
"hacker",
>although I lament that person's choice of focus. (And on the other hand,
>some of them don't require great skill to write these days because the
>basics (e.g. the "shell code") exist and can be copied.)
I disagree with you. You can be a hacker and still write exploits..
Remember that several companies, and even system admins just worry about a
hole or
a buffer overflow you find when you show them what you can do with it... So
I dont lament that person's choice of focus. Only if they use it maliciously
:( Even so, they are the group of crackers one can still admire, just a
little bit less <g>
But indeed one can be a hacker (yes, a hacker) and write exploits.
'It is not what you program, it is what you do with it that matters' :)
Regards,
Luis Pinto
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http://student.dei.uc.pt/~lmpinto ICQ #15663369
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed v. Smith) wrote on alt.hacking:
> Were can i get a pirated version of linux,,Could i use Linux under
> windows or windows under linux,, would i loose all the infromation in
> windows if i setup Linux
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:34:52 +1000
Cocheese wrote:
>
> Dear Linux Community;
>
> There has been a puzzling question on my mind for some time. First, I
> admit i am no Linux Guru so this may be off the wall.
Well first off I should inform you there was a HTTNSTE (huge thread that
never seemed to end (tm)) a couple of weeks ago on this exact topic. Why
not search deja.com?
> *Why Is linux done primarily in the C programming language rather than
> C++?*
For programming OS kernels, C is a more lightweight language and probably
a better fit. For applications any language may be used, including C, C++
or any one of the dozen or so others that are available.
> Again I admit it would take a little extra work and put a minor set
> back in the evolution for a month or 2,
To rewrite the kernel in C++? You must be joking. Even getting it to compile
reliably and correctly would take a lot of effort for exactly zero gain.
> but if C++ is so much faster,
> easier, and stable- WHY NOT?
How is faster, easier or more stable. C++ is a more complex laguage
syntactically and hence takes longer for the compiler to parse. C++
code object are bigger if things like exception handling and other C++
extras are used.
As for easier, how can you possibly say that a language with a much
larger syntax is easier. My experience of other people's C++ code
(I code mostly in C, only using C++ when I really need C++ features)
seems to suggest that with C++ it may be easier for an inexperienced
programmer to get something working (but inefficient) in C++ than it is
in C, but for an experienced programmers who know both languages there
isn't much difference.
The rare exception to this is where C++ is a much better fit to the
problem domain. For an example of this I would cite the Octave project
(large numerical analysis framework/application) where there is a
huge advantage to using C++ objects for things like matrices rather
than structs.
Finally, C++ compilers are not more stable. People have been working
on the gcc compiler for many years, but the C++ compiler g++ has only
just started being stable.
> I have been a RH 6.0 user since the first week it was first released
> and since then i have loved it. I am struggling with it a bit but as i
> continue to learn this from an "other leading brand OS" and a full time
> programmer for a large company.
>
> There are many differences Between the two programming languages and
> there are huge advantages to C++.
>
> The downside is "linux has always been a C based Program so it will always
> be."
The kernel should be in C. C++ does not hold any huge advantages for
kernal development. For applications, feel free to use whatever you feel
mosty comfortable with.
Erik
--
+-------------------------------------------------+
Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+-------------------------------------------------+
"I once worked for a company where as part of the BS5750 "Quality"
process I attended a meeting where I was informed that it was Company
Policy not to use free software. When I asked him for his written
authorisation for me to remove X Windows from our Sun workstations,
he backtracked." -- Phil Hunt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Deackes)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Can anyone let me have a glic2.1 compiled Ishmail package?
Date: 16 Aug 1999 09:36:52 GMT
Has anyone managed to compile Ishmail on their systems? It doesn't work
very well here when I compile it against Lesstif, I can just about
compile it, then when I use it it will crash with monotonous regularity.
I would *really* appreciate it if someone who has compiled it against
glibc2.1 (even 2.0) could let me have a copy of the package they have
made. I can't imagine this would cause any licensing problems, would it?
The Ishmail source code is free (www.ishmail.com).
Ishmail, BTW, for those not familiar with it, is a GUI email app - very
nice it is too.
If anyone has (genuine) motif on their system, I would be happy to pay
you if you could compile it for me if you haven't used it yourself :)
Thanks very much.
--
Phillip Deackes
Debian Linux (Potato)
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From: Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME ppp applet solution
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:25:35 +0300
Tweezak wrote:
[.....]
> After discovering that (thanks to usenet info), I decided to make my own
> applet to run ifup and ifdown. It turns out there is a second ppp
> applet that comes with GNOME. It is better concealed but it seems to
> work for all users. Here's how you get to it:
>
> 1. RIGHT click on an open space on the panel (taskbar, whatever)
>
> 2. Move your mouse up until "Add applet >" is highlighted.
>
> 3. Move your mouse over and down to "Network."
>
> 4. Select "PPP Dialer"
>
> An icon will be added to your panel that looks like a play/pause and
> stop button. Click on the "play" button and your modem should dial.
> Click on the "stop" button and it should disconnect. This is assuming
> that you had working ppp in X before installing GNOME.
[.....]
Also give a consideration to the "Modem Lights" applet. It has several
more advantages:
- Extensive configuration (via Properties) : You can make it use any
program to connect/disconnect (I use kppp, though I work in Gnome)
- Modem receive & transmit lights in real-time.
- Short term traffic history
HTH2
--
Abdullah Ramazanoglu ( aramazanoglu AT demirbank DOT com DOT tr )
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From: Sudhakar Govindarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux BIGGEST Problem-Must Read
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:55:43 GMT
Bob Martin wrote:
> Leonard Evens wrote:
> >
> > Jeremiah wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MattCero) spake thusly:
> > > > The best way for Linux to be on everyones PC is to make it installable.
> > >
> >
> > Here! Here!
> >
> > If you've ever had to install Windows on a strange machine
> > and get all the device drivers which Windows doesn't know about
> > installed, you would be aware that naive users would have
> > even less of a chance of using Windows if they had to install
> > it themselves.
>
> Absolutely, windoze installs easy only if it can find everthing it
> expects. I've had NT BSOD during intstalls many time, usually because it
> picks the wrong drivers, even though the correct ones were available.
I installed Windoze '98 on my laptop and beleive me, I got it right after
installing it 20 times.. (absolutely no exaggeration here). And the worst part
was, I did'nt do a thing extra to get it right finally. I was just running
"setup" 20 times.. Windoze installation is not as easy as it claims to be!!
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From: Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:42:27 +0300
davedude wrote:
> after: make bzImage i get the following at random times. Usin top I can
^^^^^^^^^^^^
> gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
^^^^^^^^^
Hi Dave,
You are most probably having hardware problems. (faulty, slow or
marginal memory chips)
Please see http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
HTH
--
Abdullah Ramazanoglu ( aramazanoglu AT demirbank DOT com DOT tr )
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From: Sudhakar Govindarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Compile errors with Kernel 2.2.6
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:06:21 GMT
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Hi,
Im getting the following error when i tried compiling my recently
downloaded 2.2.6 kernel
========
In file included from fatfs_syms.c:12:
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/msdos_fs.h:304:macro '_set_ver' used with
too many (2) args.
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The same error mesage gets repeated for several line numbers (305, 307,
308, 309, 311, 312, 314, 315)
If any of u have experienced this, could u let me know how to get this
right.. Or am I doing something silly? (All I did was do a make xconfig,
make depend and make zdisk :-( )
THANKS a lot..
Sudhakar G
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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<html>
<tt>Hi,</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Im getting the following error when i tried compiling my recently
downloaded 2.2.6 kernel</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>--------</tt>
<br><tt>In file included from fatfs_syms.c:12:</tt>
<br><tt>/usr/src/linux/include/linux/msdos_fs.h:304:macro '_set_ver' used
with too many (2) args.</tt>
<br><tt>--------</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>The same error mesage gets repeated for several line numbers (305,
307, 308, 309, 311, 312, 314, 315)</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>If any of u have experienced this, could u let me know how to get
this right.. Or am I doing something silly? (All I did was do a make xconfig,
make depend and make zdisk :-( )</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>THANKS a lot..</tt><tt></tt>
<p><tt>Sudhakar G</tt>
<br><tt>([EMAIL PROTECTED])</tt>
<br><tt></tt> </html>
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From: J Mars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: start win95 from within Linux
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:30:47 GMT
You can start Linux (Caldera 1.3) from within Win95. Is it possibe to do
the opposite.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cheap CD-ROM Source for Linux Distributions
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:28:01 GMT
> Subject: Re: Need opinions- how's S.u.S.E. 6.1
> Date: 1999/07/02
> Author: John Hong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Warren Bell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> : I've been running RedHat 5.2 and am wondering how SuSE Linux is.
>> : It seems to have a lot of the same features and RPM format. Is it just
>> : as good as RH? Better?
> I've toyed with a lot of the distributions (ie. Slackware, Red Hat,
> TurboLinux, OpenLinux, SuSE, and Debian), and the end result for me
> is that it is SuSE that is the one I've latched on to the most.
Following your suggestion, I checked out three of those four cheap Linux
distribution sources you listed, and while CheapBytes and Linux System Labs
did not have the Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 cheap CD-ROM version, I did find it at
LinuxMall (the third place I checked). I ordered a bunch, and also chose as
the free CD-ROM, the SuSE 6.1 cheap CD-ROM.
It'll be interesting to see how that one stacks up, although I think I'll
still only give to friends and family the pair of Linux Mandrake 6.0 and
Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 CD-ROM's of which I've ordered four copies at $1.89 per
each CD-ROM, plus $5.20 U.S. Priority Mail shipping, for a total of $20.32
(the order was for four of each, plus the free cheap CD-ROM that is thrown in
for an order of $11.00 or over exclusive of shipping and free item).
*---*
LinuxMall: The Linux SuperStore http://www.linuxmall.com/ (home page)
http://www.linuxmall.com/announce/990609_189.html (cheap CD-ROM
distributions) (see blurb from home page below)
"Cheap Linux CDs! Caldera OpenLinux, Debian, FreeBSD, Linux Pro, Mandrake,
RedHat, Slackware, SuSE or Turbo Linux CDs for only $1.89 each or FREE, with
your order of $11 or more."
CheapBytes
http://www.cheapbytes.com/ (home page, very odd)
http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart (Catalog and Ordering)
Linux System Labs
http://www.lsl.com/ (home page)
Linux Central
http://linuxcentral.com/ (home page)
*---*
Since I went to some trouble to get up to speed again on Linux in general
now that I'm (cough) ready at last, I might as well post a few links that the
beginner might also find useful:
Linux Online http://www.linux.org/ (home page)
http://www.linux.org/dist/english.html (English-Language Linux Distributions)
(this is the Linux site I seem to visit most often, although there are many
other interesting sites for beginners)
LinuxBerg
http://www.linuxberg.com/ (home page)
http://downcity.linuxberg.com/distribution.html (FTP sites)
(they seem as a mirror site to have available for FTP download a great many
up-to-date free distributions of more varieties of Linux than at which you
can shake a penguin's ... uh, never mind)
MandrakeSoft SA (Linux Mandrake 6.0)
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ (home page)
Caldera Systems, Inc. (OpenLinux 2.2) http://www.calderasystems.com/ (home
page) http://www.wpi.com/linuxworld/lw-ec-winners.html (Editors' Choice
Awards from LinuxWorld))
SuSE, Inc. (SuSE Linux 6.1)
http://www.suse.com/index_us.html (USA home page)
LinuxWorld http://www.linuxworld.com/ (home page)
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-08/lw-08-penguin_1.html (article
on recent awards given by this site, which awards and article constitute a
pretty damned good review of current Linux distributions and overview of the
state of the art in Linux)
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From: Martin Schreck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Debian binary??
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:00:44 +0900
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I downloaded a cana package to write Japanese in an English Linux
system. The files are Debian binaries. Never heard of that, can anybody
tell me how to use them please?
Cheers Martin
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From: Martin Schreck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: start win95 from within Linux
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:06:29 +0900
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If you use the VMWare you can start almost any system from within Linux.
VMWare simulates computer hardware, it works quite fast and you install
into the virtuell computer the operating system you want. you can even
install a different linux distribution into an existing one. Even network
and sound works fine.
Go ahead, it good.
Cheers,
Martin
J Mars wrote:
> You can start Linux (Caldera 1.3) from within Win95. Is it possibe to do
> the opposite.
>
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