Linux-Misc Digest #547, Volume #20 Tue, 8 Jun 99 21:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux on a 486? (Carl Fink)
Re: How do they make any money? (Andrew Comech)
Re: email to newsgroup? (graywolf)
Joystick won't work! (John Garrison)
Re: Red Hat 6 mounting problems. (Leonard Evens)
How to get System Commander to boot Linux? (Edward J. Smiley Jr.)
Re: German computer mag c't to schedule (IIS+NT) vs. (Apache+Linux) (Seth Van Oort)
Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me (Richard Steiner)
Re: Linux on Palm-PCs (Chris Ho)
Re: Screenwriting/playwriting software for Linux? (Paul Gallagher)
Syslog message forwarding problem ("Graham Simons")
compiling problem (siz)
Re: Linux on a 486? (Greg Thorez)
Re: my mouse won't work....getting out of xwindows... (Shice Beoney)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Linux on a 486?
Date: 9 Jun 1999 07:21:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 8 Jun 1999 18:33:15 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I want to utilize this otherwise unused box primarily as a
>proxy server. (Our Windoze-based software crashes constantly.)
>Main reason I'd like to use X is for the convenience of having
>multiple terminal windows open, however I can live without it
>if too much for this hardware. I take it that memory and disk
>space should be sufficient, but the CPU is a bit on the weak side.
You have multiple terminal sessions available in Linux without X -- they're
called "virtual terminals". When you start up the console shows VT1, and
you can switch to VT2 by hitting Alt-F2. Alt-F3 shows you VT3, and so
forth.
By default you get six VTs.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: How do they make any money?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 8 Jun 1999 14:04:26 -0500
On Sat, 05 Jun 1999 07:33:24 GMT, Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How do the likes of Red Had Software make money when Linux is free? I
>know that they have the "Official Release" of Red Hat Linux but they
>would surely sell comparitively few of them since you can download the
>OS for free, or do as I have done and pay $6.95 for a copy, albeit
>without manuals, support etc,
>
>Red Hat reportedly have some 80 staff and that amounts to a huge wages
>bill. How do they pay for it?
>
>Does anyone know?
Sure! As soon as Linux is running everywhere, they'd start selling
yearly upgrades for $100, insist on making proprietary redmodems
compatible with Redhat only, and frighten everybody with Y2.06K virus.
There is more... This will give them a steady flaw of cash..
And, there are secret plans to rename Redmond, WA to Redhat right
after they move their headquarters up there.
a.
--
Looking for a Linux-compatible V.90 modem? See
http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modems
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (graywolf)
Subject: Re: email to newsgroup?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:19:10 GMT
great! thanks for the link...
Robert
>Try the following for info. on posting to newsgroups from email.
>
>http://www.sabotage.org/~don/mail2news.html
>
>Gordon
>
>Marc Mutz wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>graywolf wrote:
>>>
>>> I was using knews at work and seem to recall that it
>>> treated news posting similar to email. Now I wonder
>>> if that is true. Does anyone know if it is possible to
>>> send a newsgroup posting as an email?
>>>
>>some newsgroups have a email-gateway (e.g. one of the *.linux.announce),
>>mostly ones that are declared 'moderated'. But generally you have it's
>>two worlds:
>>Mail uses SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol)
>>News uses NNTP (* news transfer protocol)
>>
>>It's the application that makes them look similar.
>>
>>Marc
>
>
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Joystick won't work!
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:09:26 GMT
OK, I downloaded and compiled the joystick driver even though I already
had a joystick module. I did a make devs to make
/dev/js0 and the rest. I did a modprobe joystick, I tried insmod
joystick.o an insmod joy-gravis.o and modprobe joy-gravis and every
combination thereof. But it still says that the joystick device does not
exist when I try to run jstest or jscal or any other such joystick
program. I did not have this problem on my other linux computer. I just
installed the joystick driver and everything worked.
What gives? How do I get my joystick to work?!
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6 mounting problems.
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:50:23 -0500
Eric Thompson wrote:
> oh, duh. I forgot that mtab is overwritten by mount so I was prolly just
> confusing mount. so I guess i should only be changing fstab. anyone
> confirm this?
That's right.
> it's been a while since I configured a new system.
> BTW, I have to be added to the list of those whom have a distaste for Red
> Hat. it is what I used in the past but after many years of experience I
> have to say it forces me to do weird things I don't like. such as makes it
> very hard not to use Gnome/E. blech. they are nice looking.... but that is
> about it IMHO
> anway I may switch back to debian or try suse...
> bye
>
> Eric Thompson wrote:
>
> > this is very strange. I think I made a booboo.
> > I got Red Hat 6.0 to install with out probs. I have to say the new
> > setup is pretty slick.
> > anyway so I mount the cdrom to see if I can find a sudo RPM on it and it
> > mounts fine with
> > mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom.
> > so I can't find the RPM (no surprise) so I unmount it.
> > I hate the stupid /mnt/ dir so I edit /etc/mtab so that I can mount the
> > cd and the floppy in /cdrom and /floppy
> > and I do the same for /etc/fstab.
> > so I type
> > > mount /cdrom
> > and it sits there looking at me like "yeah so?"
> > and stalls. I can type but it's like mount is running in the
> > background. huh?
> > so I warp to the other terminal and login root
> > I see that the cdrom is mounted in /cdrom just where it should be. but
> > ps tells me that mount is still running.
> > I go through many many iterations of trying to kill the mount process
> > (to no avail) and replacing the old mtab and fstab but then when the
> > mount proc finally dies I get other mtabs like mtab~~ and mtab~
> > so I get (what looks like) the original mtab back and I restart ( needed
> > to see if dhcpcd would start) and the stalls on shutdown after
> > "unmounting local filesystems."
> > it's dead won't respond. so after 10 minutes I hit the power button
> > it reboots and stalls after "remounting root filesystem in read-write
> > mode. [ OK ]"
> >
> > so can anyone tell me what is going on and what has changed if anything,
> > with the mtab and fstab stuff?
> > thanks-
> > eric
> > please email me if poss.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Edward J. Smiley Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: How to get System Commander to boot Linux?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 21:52:11 GMT
I am trying to boot Win98, WinNT, and Linux using System Commander. I
know that you have to point System Commander at you Linux partition to
get it to boot. What partition do I want to point it at and how do I
point it?
Also in the future I would like to add Solaris 7. Would I have to do
this the same way? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
--
Ed Smiley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: German computer mag c't to schedule (IIS+NT) vs. (Apache+Linux)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:18:14 -0500
Marc Mutz wrote:
>
> Hi out there!
>
> Not dreaming of stopping the fight, I'd like to turn your attention to a
> test being underway to compare Win-NT and MS IIS vs. Linux and Apache
> web serving performance.
>
> The hardware to be used (as known to me):
> 4 cpu's
> 2 gig ram
> raid subsystem.
>
> Watch http://www.heise.de/ct/ for results. They are to be published in
> c't no. 13, out 21st of June.
>
> What about a cease-fire up until then?
Don't anyone listen to him! Keep fighting !! Microshaft blows and linux
couldn't scale if its existence depended on it. Just be patient
everyone. More artillery is on the way. Until then, keep beating each
other with your hats.
Seth
>
> Marc Mutz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Dumped Redhat like a stale girlfriend...SuSE is for me
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 03:41:52 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul) spake unto us, saying:
>I appreciate the publicity Redhat has given Linux, but I refuse to pay
>$70 for slick marketing and commercialism.
Just FYI -- that isn't your only option from Red Hat, anyway. They
also sell an official $39.95 "core" version for those of us that only
want to upgrade. And there is always http://www.cheapbytes.com. :-)
I've installed SuSE 6.0 here myself, and I agree that it has a very
nice manual, but personally I prefer Red Hat's approach.
The real test for me will be in the next week or so when I finally get
my copy of Debian 2.1 installed. :-)
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Don't drink and drive. You might hit a bump and spill your drink.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Ho)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Linux on Palm-PCs
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:58:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Kleitsch wrote:
>Hello everybody!
Hello, Chris!
>As far as I know, a Linux version for the Palm Pilot and even one for
>the Atari Portofolio has been already developed. Did anybody start to
>develop a 'Pocket Linux' for Palm-size PCs? (I mean this devices running
>now WinCE)
>If not, I would like to know if there is a way to synchronize
>(appointments and to-do list would be enough ;) such a device with a
>Unix-box.
>From my understanding, the compiled the kernel and got it to run on a
Pilot. Unfortunately, there really is no file system on a Pilot so the
kernel is kind of useless there, as only a memory manager. Unless they
somehow came up with a RAM disk for the Pilots while I was looking the
other way...
- Chris
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From: Paul Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screenwriting/playwriting software for Linux?
Crossposted-To: misc.writing.screenplays
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 01:42:17 GMT
Thanks for some great suggestions. Tried working with the templates in=20
StarOffice, and it's not too bad. And (some) macros are fairly easy,=20
once you know where you want to go.
Seems like a good market for a Linux developer, in any event.
Thanks, again.
Best wishes,
P
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From: "Graham Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Syslog message forwarding problem
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:19:14 +0100
Hi,
I'm having a bit of a problem with forwarding messages from syslog on a
solaris 2.6 box to a linux machine running redhat 5.2
(sysklogd-1.3-25).
What happens intermittently is that when two messages are sent out of the
solaris box, with the same facility.level code, and the same text. The first
occurrance is sent to the linux box and Solaris seems to hang on to the
second to see if it will be repeated more times. When a third message comes
along that is different, the second message is sent as "last message
repeated 1 time", and the third message is also forwarded.
Syslogd on the linux machine now gets into a bit of a problem, repeating the
third message over and over, and repeating the "message repeated 1 time" as
well.
E.g. Using the following commands:
logger -p user.warn "test"
logger -p user.warn "test"
logger -p user.warn "test2"
would produce :
May 28 16:56:10 solaris1 soluser: test
May 28 16:56:10 solaris1 last message repeated 508 times
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2
May 28 16:56:12 solaris1 last message repeated 1 time
May 28 16:56:15 solaris1 soluser: test2 ...............
syslog.conf on Solaris box
kern,user,mail,auth,lpr,news,uucp,cron.info @172.27.1.11
local2.err
@172.27.1.11
syslog.conf on linux box
*.warn;user,local0,local1,local2,local3,local4,local5,local6,local7.info
/dev/lp1
If anyone can throw some light on this please let me know
Thanks
Graham
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From: siz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiling problem
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:40:30 -0400
I am having some difficulty compiling kgo-0.72. I have KDE 1.1.1, Qt 1.42=
, RH
5.2. I would greatly appreciate any advice on this. Thanks.
output:
[localhost kgo-0.72]# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i486-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i486-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i486-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking for a C-Compiler...
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for a C++-Compiler...
checking for g++... (cached) g++
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++ -s) works... yes
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++ -s) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes
checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib
checking for ld used by GCC... (cached) /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... (cached) yes
checking for BSD-compatible nm... (cached) /usr/bin/nm -B
checking whether ln -s works... (cached) yes
checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if g++ static flag -static works... -static
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... ye=
s
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output... yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking dynamic linker characteristics... Linux ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... no
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
checking for objdir... .libs
creating libtool
checking whether NLS is requested... yes
checking for msgfmt... (cached) /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for gmsgfmt... (cached) /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for xgettext... (cached) /usr/bin/xgettext
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... (cached) g++ -E
checking for X... (cached) libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/i=
nclude
checking for main in -lcompat... (cached) no
checking for main in -lcrypt... (cached) yes
checking for the third argument of getsockname... (cached) socklen_t
checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no
checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... (cached) no
checking for gethostbyname... (cached) yes
checking for connect... (cached) yes
checking for remove... (cached) yes
checking for shmat... (cached) yes
checking for killpg in -lucb... (cached) no
checking for QT... (cached) libraries /usr/lib, headers /usr/lib/qt/inclu=
de
checking if Qt compiles without flags... (cached) yes
checking for moc... (cached) /usr/bin/moc
checking for rpath... yes
checking for bool... (cached) yes
checking for KDE... (cached) libraries /opt/kde/lib, headers /opt/kde/inc=
lude
checking for extra includes... no
checking for extra libs... no
(cached) done
checking for elf.h... (cached) yes
checking for getsecretkey... (cached) yes
checking for X... (cached) /usr/X11R6/bin/X
checking for xdm configuration dir... /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm
checking for main in -lpam_misc... (cached) no
checking for PAM... no
checking for main in -lshadow... (cached) no
checking for main in -lutil... (cached) yes
checking for jpeglib... (cached) -ljpeg
checking for GL... (cached) no
checking for XPM... (cached) yes
checking for dirent.h that defines DIR... (cached) yes
checking for opendir in -ldir... (cached) no
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for fcntl.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/time.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for crypt.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/select.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/ioctl.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/stropts.h... (cached) no
checking for termio.h... (cached) yes
checking for termios.h... (cached) yes
checking for lastlog.h... (cached) yes
checking for malloc.h... (cached) yes
checking for sys/sockio.h... (cached) no
checking for crypt.h... (cached) yes
checking for krb5/krb5.h... (cached) no
checking for rpc/rpc.h... (cached) yes
checking for rpc/key_prot.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/m_wait.h... (cached) no
checking for sys/param.h... (cached) yes
checking whether time.h and sys/time.h may both be included... (cached) y=
es
checking for bool... (cached) yes
checking for long double... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t
checking for socket... (cached) yes
checking for powl... (cached) no
checking for sqrtl... (cached) no
checking for strdup... (cached) yes
checking for getdtablesize... (cached) yes
checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes
checking for setpgid... (cached) yes
checking for nice... (cached) yes
checking for setenv... (cached) yes
checking for getdomainname... (cached) yes
checking for gethostname... (cached) yes
checking for usleep... (cached) yes
checking if it's safe to enable UTMP... yes
checking for utmp file... (cached) /var/run/utmp
creating ./config.status
creating Makefile
creating kgo/Makefile
creating kgo/doc/Makefile
sed: can't read ./kgo/doc/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
creating kgo/doc/kgo/Makefile
sed: can't read ./kgo/doc/kgo/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
creating kgo/doc/kgo/devel/Makefile
sed: can't read ./kgo/doc/kgo/devel/Makefile.in: No such file or director=
y
creating po/Makefile
sed: can't read ./po/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
creating po/nl/Makefile
sed: can't read ./po/nl/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
creating config.h
config.h is unchanged
[localhost kgo-0.72]# make
make all-recursive
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/siz/Desktop/kgo-0.72'
Making all in kgo
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/siz/Desktop/kgo-0.72/kgo'
Making all in doc
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/siz/Desktop/kgo-0.72/kgo/doc'
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/siz/Desktop/kgo-0.72/kgo/doc'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/siz/Desktop/kgo-0.72/kgo'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/siz/Desktop/kgo-0.72'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
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From: Greg Thorez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on a 486?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:02:19 -0400
Sparky wrote:
> I have an old 486SX25 PC just doing nothing, it is pretty poor spec
> with
> just a 120mbHD and er, that's about it.
>
> Would it be possible to run Linux on this, scrap the MS-DOS what was
> left on it and use it as a Linux machine?
>
> An if this is possible, would it be useable to run X-Windows on it
> such
> as GNOME or would this just be too slow?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
There shouldn't be any problem installing Linux on that machine. I
myself had once installed a micro-network
of three 386SX16, one with a 120Mb hard drive, and the two others with
80Mb hard drives !
All we had to do was compile a new minimized kernel that would allow
itself to be loaded over 4Mb of RAM,
but that was only because we needed a network kernel. We used NFS to
share what we could in order to save
as much space for the users as possible.
As for X-Windows, I would be rather less enthousiastic about it. With
only 120MbHD, you'll be a bit short on
disk space for starter. Then, you didn't tell how much RAM you have.
Anyway, I guess you can't install much of Micro$oft $oftware on it, so
don't hesitate a second, a text-based
Linux box can be very enjoyable as well :-)
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shice Beoney)
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,apana.lists.os.linux.redhat,at.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: my mouse won't work....getting out of xwindows...
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:30:58 GMT
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:03:01 -0700 in comp.os.linux.help, "Larry Clark"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following profound gem of wisdom:
>help...my mouse doesn't work...justr a generic mouse...and I start
>xwindows...and I can't seem to get the start button to open up...yes this is
>my first crack at red hat linux..thanks larry ,
>PS how do I close down xwoindows without the mouse...
Someone already mentioned the keyboard shortcut to quit X
(Ctrl-Alt-Bkspace), so I'll see if I can help you get your mouse
working. I had this problem my first time trying to install RedHat
5.1. You should check to see if the connector your mouse uses to plug
into your computer is circular (ps/2) or somewhat rectangular
(serial). If it's the first, then you should run either
"xconfigurator", "FX86Config", or "SetupXF86" and when it asks you for
the device path, give "/dev/psaux" without the quotation marks. If
it's the second, then "/dev/mouse" should work, although I can't say
for certain as I've never tried to setup a serial mouse in linux. HTH.
--
"Windows has detected the presence of a more efficient, faster,
and more reliable Operating System installed on your system.
Do you wish to delete it?
Yes Yes"
-What M$ would LIKE to do about Linux
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