Linux-Misc Digest #556, Volume #20 Wed, 9 Jun 99 15:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: impressed, Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far. (Paul Kimoto)
Re: the last two characters of a dos text file are? (Villy Kruse)
INstalling Mandrake 6 over RH5.2? (Greg F Walz Chojnacki)
Re: Killing processes (Villy Kruse)
Re: my mouse won't work....getting out of xwindows... (Helpdesk)
PLEASE Help - kernel/module questions (detailed) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux(Unix) directory structure (Paul Kimoto)
Re: newbie: Best way of setting up ip-numbers? ("wheely")
Re: Bug in Linuxfilesystem !!! ("Art S. Kagel")
Problems with email through a Linux Firewall using ipfwadm, ipportfw ("Dan")
Re: Xircom PCMCIA card problem (Buschman)
Virtual Private Disk ? (Mike Hamilton)
Re: HP DeskJet 890C under Linux, something doesn't work (Kevin Ison)
Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested (Brad Knowles)
Re: LILO and BeOS ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Editing a 4.7Mb file (VI limit 2Mb) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: zImage and bzImage (Andrew Comech)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: newbie: Best way of setting up ip-numbers? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SmallEiffel The GNU Eiffel Compiler -0.78 released (Dominique Colnet)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: impressed, Re: I am not impressed with Debian so far.
Date: 9 Jun 1999 00:04:33 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Since
> I just struggled with Debian 2.1 I'm inclined to put in my 2 cents worth.
> Debian is impressive in its way, which is why I've probably allowed myself
> more frustration with it than I would have with anything else. I've gotten
> maybe 3 distributions over the years, and it seems like I'll get 90 percent
> of the way to a system like I want, and then get frustrated with that last
> bit. It's different things at different times, but then I go back to
> slackware and it's like I've come home again. In slack I feel like I know
> what I'm doing and what the system is doing. I try downloading a software
> package like say a newer ghostscript and building it, oops, need a newer
> zlib, OK, download that, put it in, build it, oops, need something else, so
> I get it, finally I've got the thing working. Some people may not like that,
> but for me, in the long run, it ends up being less grief.
How to make a similar upgrade in Debian (if `apt' is installed):
Open a root shell, connect to the Internet if necessary, and run
$ /usr/bin/apt-get update; /usr/bin/apt-get upgrade gs
(or `/usr/bin/apt-get upgrade gs-aladdin').
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: the last two characters of a dos text file are?
Date: 9 Jun 1999 19:56:32 +0200
In article <01beb1c3$3c413cc0$e701010a@ultra-001>,
Matthew D. Melbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Charles Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> I am specifically interested in which characters are used at the
>end......
>
>Charles you are in luck...I have a great idea!!!!! I just fiinished
>writting a Perl program for the same thing. (Just finished debugging it
>yesterday as a matter of fact.) Anyway, I had the same sort of problem at
>first. Just didnt know what to look for. After a lot of research I
>figured out that you can read each line of a file (sounds like you did that
>part), convert it to an array of ascii numbers (use the "unpack" command)
>look for the Carriage Return ( 13 in ascii) and look for the Line Feeds (
>10 in ascii ). Strip whatever you want by comparing the current element
>of the array to whatever you want to delete (like the number 13) "if
>($current_element eq 13){ do your strip Carriage Return commands...whatever
>you want to do with that char}" After your strip your Carriage Returns,
>"pack" your array and do whatever.
> The key to the program was using the bit by bit comparing. To do that you
>need to use the pack and unpack commands. Using chomp or chop commands
>are just tooo risky for this operation. Good luck with your Program. I
>hope that I helped.
>
With the nice pattern matching operators in perl this seems to be a
rather complicated way of solving a simple problem.
I'm not fluently in perl enough to get the syntax right, but look at
something like '$_ ~ s/\r$//;' which will remove the last \r character if
it exists.
Villy
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From: Greg F Walz Chojnacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: INstalling Mandrake 6 over RH5.2?
Date: 9 Jun 1999 04:07:53 GMT
Is installing Mandrake 6 over RH 5.2 a relatively straightforward
proposition? Or is it gonna be a matter of trashing my old install?
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Killing processes
Date: 9 Jun 1999 20:09:45 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andreas Kyek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>If 'kill -9' does not kill the process, the only thing you can try is 'kill
>-9 PID_PARENT_PROCESS'. This may help, if there is still a valid parent
>process. But if your PPID is already the init-process (PID 1), the only
>thing is to wait for the next reboot.
>
The other posibility (again on any unix unix system) is that the process
is stuck in an uniterruptible sleep inside a device driver. In this
state the process is not killable save for rebooting the system.
An uninteruptible sleep can occur when a process using a tape unit tries
to exit and during the exit closes the tape unit which will then rewind.
Occasionaly the tape unit doesn't interrupt the driver software when
it is finished rewinding, and then the close and the process is stuck
waiting for the tape unit to complete rewinding.
Villy
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From: Helpdesk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,apana.lists.os.linux.redhat,at.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: my mouse won't work....getting out of xwindows...
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:05:23 -0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How you close Xwindows depends on which Desktop you use. CTRL-ALT-Backspace will
drop you riught out of x-windows usually, If you are using KDE, you may be able
to press ALT-F1 to get at the menu.
Larry Clark wrote:
> help...my mouse doesn't work...justr a generic mouse...and I start
> xwindows...and I can't seem to get the start button to open up...yes this is
> my first crack at red hat linux..thanks larry ,
> PS how do I close down xwoindows without the mouse...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: PLEASE Help - kernel/module questions (detailed)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:02:42 GMT
Could someone please answer these questions I have re: the linux kernel
and modules. I'm going nuts (many hours) trying to find this info by
other means (note, I use RH 5.2):
1. I've rebuilt my kernel with a number of different version numbers
and in some cases (in particular, the one I want to work is 2.5.5 from
linux-2.5.5.tar.gz) I get module dependency errors on boot. I'm using
the exact same process to rebuild my kernel and modules each time.
That is:
Starting in /usr/src/linux/, I: make menuconfig and pick my choices,
then make dep, then make clean, then make bzImage, then make modules,
then make modules_install, then I copy the new bzImage to /boot/ with a
new name and reconfigure my lilo.conf, then run lilo, then reboot.
Why would I get module dependency errors? They seem to be for things
that I chose to not include in this kernel at all (like Appletalk and
IPX as I don't even want them as modules) but that were part of my
original distribution's kernel (RH 5.2)?
2. How EXACTLY do depmode, modprobe, kerneld, and conf.modules work? I
realize that by specifying certain things in conf.modules I can create
aliases to modules or turn modules off by telling the alias to go off,
but what happens to all those other modules I built during the kernel
build (besides them sitting in /lib/modules/� waiting for me to insmod
them) and how do I control which modules I want to load at boot? (In
particular, how would I tell kerneld to load the ppp.o module and the
modules it depends on at boot?)
3. In my default setup, a link called 'preferred' in /lib/modules/
points to the default modules directory 2.0.36-0.7 but after a kernel
rebuild, the 'preferred' link is gone. Why?
4. After a rebuild of the kernel, do I need to copy the System.map from
/usr/src/linux/ into /boot/?
5. What is 'modules.info' in my /boot/ directory and do I need to do
something with it after I rebuild my kernel? (The current modules.info
in my /boot/ is a link to /boot/modules.info-2.0.36-0.7 which looks
like it's version specific, so why have I not read anything about
'modules.info' in any of the literature I've found about rebuilding
kernels?)
Thank you SOOOOOO much for helping me with this. I know it's a tall
order. If you have any answers, please e-mail me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I don't get to
check the news groups very often.
Kent A. Signorini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux(Unix) directory structure
Date: 9 Jun 1999 00:25:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone know where there might be a FAQ on the
> Linux directory structure.
You might be interested in the work of the Filesystem Hierarchy
Standard: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
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From: "wheely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: newbie: Best way of setting up ip-numbers?
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:52:23 +0200
Edmondo heeft geschreven in bericht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>
>Wheely wrote:
>
>> In the end I'd like to run the following services (all on the SAME pc):
>> - FTP
>> - Telnet
>> - HTTP access (via other W95 machine)
>> - dhcpd (so I won't have to setup W95 with an ip-address
>> - DNS
>>
>> First: CAN it be done?
>
>Yes, sure! Just install the right daemons (apache, bind, ...).
>
>> Second: can ftp, telnet and http all be running via the same ip-addres?
>> (is it possible to give ftp telnet separate ip-addresses?)
>
>Yes, normally they run via the same ip-address. It's only a different
>protocol.
>If you want you can use different IPs too, but this need some much
>work.
>
>> Furthermore, When installing dns and dhcpd I've read somewhere that a
>> 'gateway' must be configured. Is this just my main ip-address?
>
>You need a gateway, only if you want that your local network is
>connected to the world. For example if you have a PPP connection
>with one machine and this is your gateway for the others via
>IP-Masquerading.
>
>edmondo
Thanks for your answers to my various questions. With your help (the
newsgroups) I know a little bit more how to set things up.
See ya!
Marcel
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From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bug in Linuxfilesystem !!!
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:41:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Daniel Migowski wrote:
>
> I tried to delete some files.
> There are the results (compare the sum of free and used to total!)
>
> Q: Why are there MB's of data gone? (Not by the filesystem, or am I that
> wrong?)
> (btw. i moved 80MB from a full /home to / and only 20MB were freed!!!!)
> Q: How do get them back?
> Q: Is it a bug or am I too silly?
It may be that there are other links to some of the files you "moved"
so that the data still exists on the original FS.
Art S. Kagel
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From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems with email through a Linux Firewall using ipfwadm, ipportfw
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:02:09 -0500
I currently am using Linux as a firewall ip filtering along with ip port
forwarding The version of the kernel is 2.0.36. I have my email server and
web server sitting behind the firewall on private IP's. The rules I have in
place are as follow for the email (IP and names have been changed to protect
the innocent)
# Flush all commands
/sbin/ipfwadm -F -f
/sbin/ipfwadm -I -f
/sbin/ipfwadm -O -f
# Forward email to email server
/sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -b -P tcp -S 0.0.0.0/0 1024:65535 -D
188.168.23.10 25
# Forward email connections to outside email servers
/sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -b -P tcp -S 188.168.23.10 25 -D 0.0.0.0/0
1024:65535
# Forward Web connections to the Web Server
/sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -b -P tcp -S 0.0.0.0/0 1024:65535 -D
188.168.23.215 80
# Forward Web connections to outside Web Server
/sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -b -P tcp -S 188.168.23.* 80 -D 0.0.0.0/0
1024:65535
# Forward DNS traffic
/sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -b -P udp -S 0.0.0.0/0 53 -D 188.168.23.0/24
# Flus all Port Forwarding commands
/sbin/ipportfw -C
# Forward all traffic for port 80 to Web Server (Web Traffic)
/sbin/ipportfw -A -t250.249.20.215/80 -R 188.168.23.215/80
# Forward all traffic for port 25 to email server
/sbin/ipportfw -A -t250.249.20.215/25 -R 188.168.23.10/25
All users on the internal network can browse the internet fine and email
inernally works fine. Everyone can send and recieve. Our email server is a
Linux machine as well. We have a website which sits on the internal private
ip network. It is accesable by the outside world as well.
My problem is with email.
Problem 1.
All the following are registered to the same IP (Public IP of the
firewall)
Our website is registered to public IP (www.ourwebsite.com)
The following name is registered to the public IP (smtp.ourwebsite.com)
Our email (smtp.domainname.com) which currently works (our email server)
I can send email internally to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it works fine I
recieve the email sent.
When I try to send it via an outside ISP It gets rejected with the
following reason.
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to kani.wwa.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
<<< 501 RCPT VERIFY failed relaying denied!
554 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >... Service unavailable
Problem 2.
If someone wants to use their local ISP to dial into and check there
email on our email server (which is behind the firewall on a private IP
address) a connection cannot be established with the email server. The
following is an example of the that happens when using OutLook 98as the
email program and the incoming and outgoing email servers set to
smtp.domainname.com.
The TCP/IP connection was unexpectedly terminated by the server.
(Account 'myname',POP3 server:'smtp.domainname.com ',Error Number:
0x800cccof)
I can ping smtp.domainname.com and I get recieve packets back (The response
is the public IP address of the firewall which all the rules are set up for)
I believe both problems are related. Can anyone give me some insight into
how the ipfwadm, and ipporfw rules need to be set to resolve this issue
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks Dan
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From: Buschman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Xircom PCMCIA card problem
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:10:42 GMT
Look on your machine for software called cardware or card soft and
remove it.
Mike B.
In article <7j63qj$ctv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"news.netvision.net.il" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
> I've got Compaq Armada 1700 laptop running Suse 6.1
> I've got Xircom CEM 100/56 PCMCIA card recognized and working as
> a netwotk card, also I can see xirc2ps_cs module is loaded and
> /var/run/stab
> shows modem is recognized on /dev/ttyS3 so my /dev/modem is linked to
it,
> but I cann't communicate with modem i.e. when I run micom it simply
got
> stuck.
> Any help will be greatly appreciated
> Thanks in advance
> Elya Guyer
>
>
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From: Mike Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Virtual Private Disk ?
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:54:14 -0700
Has anyone tried Virtual Private Disk from http://www.vpdisk.com ?
Their website sounds compelling and the test drive copy seems to live
up to their claims. I am considering getting a production copy before
their offer ends. But like to hear from someone who has experience with
their product.
MH
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From: Kevin Ison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux.slakware,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: HP DeskJet 890C under Linux, something doesn't work
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:45:20 GMT
Geeez what kind of crap reply was that? I dont usually flame anyone, but
damn, can you be a little more verbose? Nothing I like more than a cryptic
one word f**king message. I wish I knew an answer to the originating
question, but i dont, and I hope some who does replies with a better
reply....
Walter Strong wrote:
>
> : Anyone knows where to find such? please e-mail me if you know about
> : any of those. 10x,
>
> : Tom Alsberg
>
> APSfilter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Knowles)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Performance tuning of FreeBSD and Linux: pointers requested
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:42:18 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I suspect it is the IDE-drive write buffer cache that is on by default
> now, but when I disable it (hdparm -W0 ...) performance drops to
> numbers that I was used to before.
Since SCSI is almost exclusively what tends to run on the larger
servers, I'm not really particularly interested in results with IDE
drives. I don't suppose you can re-run these test results on a machine
with decent SCSI controller & drives?
> Note that the Block output on Linux measuring in bonnie is not
> good. 17.5 MB/s exceeds the theoretical limit of the disk and also
> iozone's performance. Block input seems consistent with Iozone.
Speaking only for the benchmarks I've run myself, I've found that the
results from bonnie and hdparm are laughable. They don't come anywhere
close to being able to properly measure the true speed of the underlying
disk subsystem, or the stuff layered on top of that.
The only tool I've been able to find so far that does a semi-decent
job of measuring this kind of performance is Greg Lehey's "rawio", which
he uses to help benchmark the performance of his "vinum" volume manager
for FreeBSD.
Significant efforts have been made to port this program to Linux, and
while Greg's original version used shared anonymous mmap() to pass the
results back to the main process, the more portable version uses pipes
because, contrary to what I understand is claimed for Linux in terms of
POSIX compatibility, shared anonymous mmap() doesn't work (see lines 231 &
232 of /usr/src/linux-2.2.9/mm/mmap.c).
However, even after porting rawio to Linux, it still isn't capable of
properly measuring the performance of the underlying disk drive subsystem,
because Linux doesn't give you access to raw disk devices. For that, you
need to get Stephen Tweedie's O_DIRECT patches at
<ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/sct/fs/raw-io/>. Unfortunately, after
applying these patches and using the resulting programs according to the
documentation, rawio doesn't run.
I'd really like to see some sort of relatively portable tool that can
seriously thrash the hell out of disk drive subsystems, both at a raw disk
device level (such as rawio), but also at higher levels (which include
buffer cache effects, sync/async/softupdates effects on writing, other
filesystem effects, etc...).
I don't know anything about iozone, but I know that bonnie doesn't
come anywhere close to fulfilling this goal. Maybe I'll just have to hack
on it some so that it can at least come closer to what I want, but I'd
prefer to not have to do that.
And hdparm? Don't make me laugh.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,redhat.general
Subject: Re: LILO and BeOS
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 03:00:07 GMT
> >following error-message: "/mnt/sbin/lilo: not found" This is really
What isn't found is glibc.
You have several choices:
1) Run the lilo included with tomsrtbt.
This may require you also copy over or otherwise point to the boot.b
file, as that must match the version of your lilo executable...
2) Chroot to your /mnt when running the /mnt glibc lilo, then the glibc
library should be found.
3) Otherwise mess with things like LD_LIBRARY_PATH to find glibc.
I would always just go with #1, making sure I didn't mess up boot.b
such that I then had problems from my glibc system.
-Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux,linux.help
Subject: Editing a 4.7Mb file (VI limit 2Mb)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 03:04:03 GMT
Hi,
How do you edit large files with Linux ? The file we want to edit is
4.7Mb
Regards
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: zImage and bzImage
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Jun 1999 14:53:42 -0500
>From /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kbuild/commands.txt:
Note: the difference between 'zImage' files and 'bzImage' files is that
'bzImage' uses a different layout and a different loading algorithm,
and thus has a larger capacity. Both files use gzip compression.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The 'bz' in 'bzImage' stands for 'big zImage', not for 'bzip'!
On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:35:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:20:43 -0400, "Mike Somerville"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>what is the difference between zImage and bzImage? I am fairly new to linux
>>and hve been trying to recompile my kernel (2.2.5) and I make what I think
>>is a fairly tight kernel and when I try to compile it it tells me to try
>>bzImage insted and I have looked through the news groups. From what the
>>newsgroups seem to say the file size is very similar so what's the diff?
>zImage a simple kernel
>bzImage a ziped kernel . if you make your kernel as "make
>zImage ",it said that kernel too big .then make it as "make \bzImage"
>plz.
>
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Reply-To: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:42:02 -0700
Glenn Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:23:54 -0700, "Chad Mulligan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <1sg53.638$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Mulligan"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > Essentially, hobbyists don't have the discipline to do it properly.
> >For
> >> >> > examples look at Disk Druid, and RH 6.0.
> >> >>
> >> >> And that makes Linux unprofessional?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thomas
> >> >>
> >> >In a word. Yes! Leaving a bug in a recommended installer program that
> >will
> >> >destroy data is UNPROFESSIONAL!
> >>
> >> Exactly, just like Microsoft knows Access97 has a horrid data destorying
> >bug
> >> in it and barely did anything in the begginning when it was discovered. I
> >> lost a weeks worth of data because of it. Microsoft is just as
> >unprofessional
> >> as Linux.
> >
> >And which bug is this? I personally don't like the MDB type database file
> >system, it's kind of like placing all your eggs in one basket, and I've been
> >bitten by that one. I use dBase files when working with Access more often
> >than not. BTW the DD bug destroys whole hard drives not mere database files.
> >
>
> Oh it was a good one, been around for years. Apperantly the combo box
> and recordset indicie would get out of sync if a record was deleted
> and another was edited. The edits would overwrite the wrong record. At
> first MS said it was only in Access 97, they admitted it was in older
> versions on Access and then finally that the problem was in the Jet
> engine itself but never fear for your data integrety because MS's
> response was:
>
> "It really would be something that would be more typical of a power
> user," said John Duncan, an Office product manager.
>
> I guess that makes MS non-professional in your books too.
>
The Access Team anyway, I did see a fix for that on MS's web site though. There's
still a major difference between a couple of data records and an entire hard drive
thought.
>
> ----
> Glenn Davies
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Crossposted-To:
aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: newbie: Best way of setting up ip-numbers?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:51:52 GMT
According to Wheely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I wanna install Linux on my system, but I'm not sure what ip-addresses I
> should use for various tasks on my system.
Uh, I think you should learn a little more about the internet
protocols. At the very least, you should read the Linux Howtos.
If you are going to be connecting your machine to the Internet, your
IP address is assigned to you. You *can* set up a single machine with
multiple IP addresses and run one service from each address, but it is
probably *not* something you really want to do.
-p.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dominique Colnet)
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d
Subject: SmallEiffel The GNU Eiffel Compiler -0.78 released
Date: 5 Jun 1999 19:07:19 GMT
The SmallEiffel team is proud and happy to announce
release -0.78 of SmallEiffel, The GNU Eiffel compiler !
It is freely available from :
http://SmallEiffel.loria.fr
--
What's new in this release (extract from the
SmallEiffel/misc/HISTORY.txt file) compared to
version -0.79:
Release - 0.78 - Saturday June 05th, 1999.
+ New -html2 flag for command short generates a colorized HTML short
form for classes.
+ The garbage collector now takes into account feature dispose of class
MEMORY for reference objects.
+ Obsolete classes (obsolete keyword) now supported.
+ Assertion tags are now displayed when an assertion fails.
+ Added environment variable in loadpath files. Syntax: ${SOME_VAR}
+ Added the -no_style_warning flag to suppress warnings when the
recommended styles guidelines for Eiffel are not strictly followed.
+ Added the -version flag to show SmallEiffel's version.
+ Enhanced ease of use with and adaptability to various C compilers
(SYSTEM_TOOLS). Files compiler.system, linker.system and
o_suffix.system are now obsolete and replaced by a unique file
compiler.se common to all systems. See the System configuration
page for more information.
+ Class LINKED_LIST now replaces obsolete class LINK_LIST (simple
renaming).
+ Class TWO_WAY_LINKED_LIST now replaces obsolete class
LINK2_LIST (simple renaming).
+ Fixed "implicit renaming" bug.
+ Cleaned all source code of tabulations at beginning of line (made code
look ugly when using an editor whose tabs were not 8).
+ Some new ELKS'95 features implemented.
+ Validity rule VEEN fixed.
+ Added class COLLECTION_SORTER and
REVERSE_COLLECTION_SORTER to the library.
+ Fixed file renaming portability bug (".d files bug").
+ Validity rule VCFG.1 is now enforced.
+ Validity rule VAPE is now enforced.
+ Classes mentioned in a cecil.se file are now automatically made live.
Makes it easier to link with external libraries.
+ Various other bug fixes.
Dominique and Olivier
Enjoy :)
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Dominique COLNET -- UHP (Nancy 1) -- LORIA -- INRIA Lorraine
http://SmallEiffel.loria.fr -- The GNU Eiffel Compiler
POST: Loria, B.P. 239,54506 Vandoeuvre les Nancy Cedex, FRANCE
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