Linux-Misc Digest #571, Volume #20 Thu, 10 Jun 99 08:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Killing processes (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: nohup and procmail (Tom Shannon)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Chewbury Gubbins)
Re: Can System Commander revive a Linux partition? (Was: Re: LILO and (Jim
Henderson)
Re: Commercially speaking....? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Jason Clifford)
pprob with gcc (lemagicien)
Re: failed to open //var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm (Robert Lynch)
Testing--please ignore (Mindspring)
Moving from OS/2 to Linux (Richard Henderson)
Re: Mosaic: is it dead? (Alan Gauld)
RedHat 6 Install Problem! Help... (Julio De Gregorio)
Re: Oracle8i for Linux!!! ("Ben Lamb")
Mouse Programming - How? (Tracy Johns)
Re: Swap file limit? (Still not working even with small swap) (Bob Hauck)
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Anahata)
ipchains and MS Netmeeting ("Chris Petzny")
Re: Commercially speaking....? (Jamie)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Subject: Re: Killing processes
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:42:14 GMT
On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 03:34:21 -0400, Eric Yousey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know how to kill a process that just won't be killed. I'll
>already tried 'kill -9 PID' and 'kill PID', but neither of them work. I
>know that 'kill -9' is supposed to be the kill anything, but it's not
>working for me.
Maybe it's a zombie? Why dont you post the output of "ps
ajxwww|grep <your_problem_PID>"?
>I have also tried going down to runlevel 1 and back to runlevel 3, but
That's as bad as rebooting - your "connectees" shouldnt like that
either ;-)
>I know that rebooting will work, but I'm going for Linux uptime here,
>and this is a server and I really can't be shutting it down. My
>connectees don't like that.
>Could you please respond to both email and newsgroup, thanks.
Sorry. No email in response to newsposts. If you have a bad
newsfeed, use dejanews to find followups to your articles.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Shannon)
Subject: Re: nohup and procmail
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:43:18 -04-59
On 9 Jun 1999 21:38:45 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 9 Jun 1999 13:13:57 GMT,
> Tom Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm running a standard Red Hat 6.0 installation with kernel 2.3.3 and
>> I'm trying to run procmail in the background with nohup:
>
>Just what are you trying to accomplish with this?
>
>procmail reads from stdin and writes to a mailbox and perhaps stderr: if
>you just spawn it in the background, it's not going to do anything.
procmail reads my mail from /var/spool/mail and processes it more or
less as you receive it. It works very well when run in the
background. I just don't want it to stop when I logout.
Tom
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From: Chewbury Gubbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:38:11 +0100
Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:21:04 -0700, "Chad Mulligan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Okay, pay attention, The bug in Access has a fix. The bug in Disk Druid
>>doesn't. The bug in Access might make your phone book inaccurate, the bug
>>in Disk Druid would destroy your system.
> Ah! That's where I've been going wrong. I use partitioning
> utilities *before* I have a system.
Hang on - the topic here is best server platform. The only way disk druid
could risk destroying data would be if existing partitions were being
preserved (for dual boot purposes), no?
How many servers are required to dual boot?
CG
--
Sir Chewbury Gubbins, Knight of the Wholly Gnarly Widget
MOC#7 BOG#1 etc etc
http://www.nelefa.org
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From: Jim Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can System Commander revive a Linux partition? (Was: Re: LILO and
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:43:10 -0600
I use System Commander Deluxe and don't have a problem.
What I have done in the past is create an image-based backup of the
Linux installation and then created a boot able diskette. Boot from the
diskette, which if configured properly should mount your ext2 filesystem
as / - then you can run lilo and recreate the boot record.
Jim
Aureliano Buendia wrote:
>
> First off, I wish to thank all the guys who tried to help me to tweak LILO.
> I now believe I'd be better off with System Commander.
>
> I have already installed it and it boots Win98 and BeOS perfectly well.
> Unfortunately, just like the BeOS Booter, it fails to boot my Linux
> partition complaining that it contains a 'defective boot record'.
>
> Hmmmm... Defective, all right, maybe.
>
> Just a little background: I have a separate harddisk (secondary master.
> Primary master has Win and BeOS on it) dedicated to Linux and I followed all
> reccomendations of DiskDruid when running the RedHat 5.2 installation
> procedure, i.e. three partitions were created on the Linux drive:
>
> Primary (Linux native) - 17 Mb (root partition?)
> Swap - 100 Mb
> Extended (Linux native)- 1202 Mb
>
> LILO was installed to the MBR, which apparently resides on the Primary
> master harddrive. Now, the MBR somehow got overwritten, and all the stuff
> LILO had put on it got scapped.
>
> My question is: Is there any possible way for me to recover the Linux boot
> record so that System commander can boot into that particular OS?
>
> I would itch at the idea of having to reinstall Linux and redo all the fancy
> X customization :o) Although this is the most likely option, I feel there
> MUST be a way to recover things.
>
> And boy, am I eager ! I bet by the time yor kind replies to this reach me,
> everything will be desperately screwed up again ;D
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aurelito
--
Jim Henderson
Novell Support Connection SysOp - http://support.novell.com/forums
Homepage at http://www.bigfoot.com/~jhenderson (email instructions
located here)
Please note that as an NSC SysOp, I do not provide support for Novell
products on a personal basis - if you need help with a Novell product,
please post a reply in the public newsgroup or visit the Novell support
forums at the URL above.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: 10 Jun 1999 08:28:56 GMT
In the sacred domain of uk.comp.os.linux didst John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently
scribe:
: Exactly X11 is JUST like Windows. But X11 isn't an OS. We don't claim it
: to be an OS. So what does that make Windows? An extension, a shell, a
: windowing system. Whatever it is it is not an OS. What confuses me more is
: why, in thier attempt to hide DOS, did MS give Windows95
I think one of my .sigs tends to define it quite well....
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|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:01:29 +0100
On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Robert Zanatta wrote:
> Wrong. Once control is passed on to any code, and it takes control of the
> system and it's functionality (memory allocation, I/O, etc.), then it is an
> OS. Just because it can pass control onto something else doesn't mean it
> is not an OS.
Not so. You don't define an OS as code that has taken control of the
systems resources. If you do that then MS Word is an OS. StarCraft is an
OS, etc.
> You know, it never ceases to amaze me that so many people, such as
> yourself, believe that companies such as Microsoft, who do have some degree
> of talent, would put in a lot of extra time and effort to screw you around.
> I think there's a psychological term for people who believe their being
> singled out, but I can't remember what it is...
Perhaps you should read some of the transcripts from the current Dept of
Justice trial in the US. The methods MS uses have been quite well
documented. The Caldera trial is another good source of information on how
MS practices. Not that anything listed is news to those who have sought to
use non-MS products in a market that MS consider to be theirs.
Jason Clifford http://www.jasonclifford.com/
Linux Consultancy and Support Services
PC and Server systems with Linux/FreeBSD
**** Now offering LAPTOPS with Linux pre-installed ****
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.msdos.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:03:39 +0100
On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Chad Mulligan wrote:
> CLARIFICATION: Windows95/98 !=DOS, Reversion to DOS is possible if DOS is
> installed prior to Windows95/98. DOS is _NOT_ Required.
No, Win95 is MS DOS 7 with a redesigned 32 bit GUI shell.
Revision is not a valid test. Try reverting from MS DOS 6.22 to MS DOS
3.2. Both are MS DOS but this is simply not possible to do.
Jason Clifford http://www.jasonclifford.com/
Linux Consultancy and Support Services
PC and Server systems with Linux/FreeBSD
**** Now offering LAPTOPS with Linux pre-installed ****
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From: lemagicien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: pprob with gcc
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:22:44 +0000
hi i have prob with gcc on redhat 5.3, i compiled some proggies , but when
trying to launch the compiled file it displayed "command not found "
!!!!!!!!!! if anyone can help plz
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:59:45 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: failed to open //var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm
Alan Curry wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Rod Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I've installed an older verion, 2.5.1, and I'm getting this error. I've
> >got this version installed on another machine, and it works fine. Yes,
> >I am logged in as root when I get this, and yes, I have /usr/lib/rpmopt
> >and /usr/lib/rpmrc. What else am I missing? I've seen numerous posts
> >on dejanews concerning this, but nothing that has helped me solve it.
>
> Find out *why* it can't open packages.rpm by running
> strace rpm -U whatever-you-were-trying-to-do
> --
> Alan Curry |Declaration of | _../\. ./\.._ ____. ____.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]|bigotries (should| [ | | ] / _> / _>
> --------------+save some time): | \__/ \__/ \___: \___:
> Linux,vim,trn,GPL,zsh,qmail,^H | "Screw you guys, I'm going home" -- Cartman
I just got this message and "fixed" it by running (as root):
rpm --rebuilddb
FWIW.
Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mindspring)
Subject: Testing--please ignore
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:54:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Testing--please ignore
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From: Richard Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Moving from OS/2 to Linux
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:48:18 -0500
Long time OS/2 user seeking advice as to which Linux to move to. Want
to network with Win95/98 systems. Please don't just say move to RedHat
or Caldera or etc. because it is better. Tell me what I loose or gain
from each system. Or just give me some good URLs and I can do the
research. I'm look for the non commercial advice.
Thanks,
Richard
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From: Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mosaic: is it dead?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:15:04 +0100
Neil Zanella wrote:
> Does the last release of Mosaic support HTML 3.2?
Not entirely
> What does it not support
Most significantly, frames.
Alan g.
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From: Julio De Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat 6 Install Problem! Help...
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:21:20 -0300
Hi!
Problem: RedHat 6 Installation hangs when creating virtual disk for
loading the second stage image.
Scenario: Austin Notebook , Pentium 100, 8Mb RAM
HITACHI 810Mb HD, CirrusLogic PCMCIA and SVGA chipsets
ESS AudioDrive 16 bit Sound
MegaHertz 28.8/Ethernet PCMCIA card
No CD-ROM
I tryed installing over a local network via ftp and from the local Hard
disk.
Same problem happened.
Tryed RH 5.2 and 5.1 and they hang too,but the floppy keeps spining.
OS/2 WARP 3 and Win95 worked fine on the same hardware.
HELP ME PLEASE!!!
thanks to you all!
PD: please email me your answers to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ben Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.databases.oracle.misc,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.databases,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Oracle8i for Linux!!!
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:40:11 +0100
> tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:01beb263$352e0f30$24921e18@obi-wan-kenobi...
> > I heard a couple people already got their CDs... Anyone else have their
> CD
> > for Linux yet?!
> >
I have an Oracle 8i CD for Linux sitting at home, haven't got round to
installing it yet. I picked it up from an Oracle stand at a Linux conference
last month.
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From: Tracy Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mouse Programming - How?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:35:10 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello all,
I am not new to Linux, but I am kind of new to programming in
Linux. I need to program (set up and read from the mouse using PS/2
protocol) the mouse - PS/2 mouse. Can someone tell me where to
find information and examples to get started programming the
mouse in Linux?
I have seen a few messages about using gpm, but the use is not
obvious. I read the README file that comes with gpm, but it doesn't give
any
insight for programming.
I have also done some research on the internet, and came across
gpm-devel headers and programming information, but the package comes in
RPM format. I am using Slackware 3.6, and I don't have the RPM package
system installed. Is there another implementation for gpm-devel that is
not RPM
based?
Thanks in advance for you help, any information would be appreciated,
Tracy Johns
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Bob Hauck <b o b h @ w a s a t c h . c o m>
Subject: Re: Swap file limit? (Still not working even with small swap)
Date: 09 Jun 1999 16:52:09 -0600
"Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ... I still am unable to have DiskDruid and/or fdisk format the swap
> partition? Even though I have set ...
Because you use "mkswap" for that. Use fdisk or druid to set the
partition type to swap (type 82?...I can't recall right now), then do
"mkswap /dev/whatever" to set up the swap partition, followed by "swapon
/dev/whatever" to start using it.
To have it enable automatically on boot, add a line to /etc/fstab:
/dev/whatever none swap defaults 0 0
If you do the regular install and tell it what partition to use for swap
it should do all this automatically. You should only need do it
manually if you are adding swap to an existing system.
--
16:45:00 up 106 days, 6:03, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: Anahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:49:16 +0100
John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>why, in thier attempt to hide DOS, did MS give
>Windows95
>long filename support but not DOS 7. I can only assume it would be just as
>easy/easier
>to do this at a lower level than a higher one. And it would make the product
>much
>easier
>to use. Nothing annoys me more than them stupid "~1" 's.
A DOS with long filename support would break *many* DOS programs built
to the 8.3 specification. The long filenames are handled by an entirely
different API which is only used by programs which are designed at the
outset to expect the possibility of long filenames.
Anahata
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0171 638 5577 (W) 0171 229 6076 (H) 0976 263827 (mobile)
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From: "Chris Petzny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: ipchains and MS Netmeeting
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:38:24 +0100
Hi,
for a while now we have been running IP masquerading on our Linux box to
get the office access to the internet. All controlled through ipchains. We'd
like to communicate with MS Netmeeting, however, although others can see our
video and audio, we can't receive theirs. I was wondering if there is a
certain port I need to free up, or if there's a kernel module that needs to
be loaded ( a la CUSeeMe).
Current kernel: 2.2.0 running on RedHat 5.0 I can send the ipchains -L
output if anybody needs it...
Hope you can help,
Chris.
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From: Jamie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Commercially speaking....?
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:19:50 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anahata wrote:
> A DOS with long filename support would break *many* DOS programs built
> to the 8.3 specification. The long filenames are handled by an entirely
> different API which is only used by programs which are designed at the
> outset to expect the possibility of long filenames.
Not so. Any DOS program not designed to see long file names will just
not see them and will work as designed using the 8.3 standard.
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