Linux-Misc Digest #571, Volume #24 Tue, 23 May 00 15:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Mike Albaugh)
Re: Napster to Linux ! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux port to Sony Playstation? (brian moore)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (s@-)
Hanging problem in Linux (Rafael)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Apple Advertising)
Re: Slackware or Debian (John Hasler)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (CAguy)
Re: kernel not using memory (Leonard Evens)
Re: Moonlight3D ("Gerard Milmeister")
How do I install a .tar.gz ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Text Based Calendar? (Keith Davey)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Need to turn off Apache version info ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SB32 -- No sound from Microphone ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How do I install a .tar.gz (Dances With Crows)
Re: tar'ing only a directory (Dances With Crows)
Re: tar'ing only a directory (Bastian)
Re: Text Based Calendar? (Daniel P. Katz)
Re: Slackware or Debian (Scott Bishop)
Re: Windows by Day, Linux by Night (Gerald Willmann)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Matthias Warkus)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Albaugh)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 23 May 2000 17:04:22 GMT
Someone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Mr Steuber is an excellent example of my point. In my message can't you
: tell I LIKE linux, I have Linux, I have used Linux for several years. It
: is a great hobby to configure but once it is working what are you going to
: use it for?
Well, I sue it for cross-development of software for embedded
systems. The embedded systems themselves are 'fun". Linux is a tool.
I don't expect my lawnmower to be "fun", nor my microwave oven... :-)
: Why don't any of the free ISPs support Linux?
Well, _that's_ a no-brainer. If they did, it would be about
a week, tops, before someone figured out how to disable their banner-
ads, which are their revenue stream. TANSTAAFL, after all... :-)
: Windows is no fun to install and configure,
You got that right.
: it just basically works
But not that. Sorry. Not in _my_ UseNet Parallel Universe.
Maybe in yours. Maybe you also have non-dairy-coffee-whiteneer that
really tastes like cream, too. :-) (BTW: my family "computer" is
an iMac. It doesn't always work, either, but it works a whole lot
better than my WinNT machine at work. Different tools for different
applications)
Mike
| [EMAIL PROTECTED], speaking only for myself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Napster to Linux !
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:10:59 GMT
On Mon, 22 May 2000 04:39:09 +0800, �NdRew yEonG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Try to convince the author of Napster to give you the source codes...so
>that you can port it to Linux and...make some improvement to it like
>supporting more file formats....
...where have you been? Napster has already been reverse engineered.
>
>then more students will use Linux .
>
>Mongoose wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I am attempting to start a college project and have two of my
>> ideas already being worked on. So I wanted to know what other people
>> had for suggestions for linux projects? I was thinking of something
>> along the lines of a project that would help promote the use of linux.
>> What is something that most people could use? Something that could
>> make a good 1 year R&D project?
>
>--
>
> .~. Live free or die !
> /V\
> // \\ ---------------------------------------------------
> /( )\ �NdReW YEoNG� � ===> cHocoL�teM�[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Linux port to Sony Playstation?
Date: 23 May 2000 17:13:39 GMT
On Tue, 23 May 2000 10:52:00 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is anyone working on a port to the Sony PS2? What a cool platform that
> would be, eh?
Well, sort of.
The PS2 development machine (which is basically a PS2 on a board with
lots of hooks between it and the main processor) runs Linux. It's a
pretty slick machine but isn't cheap. If Sony managed to get the price
down to $2k-$3k, I'd certainly consider one. :)
Sony has said that they want to make the PS2 into a workstation (for
very high end video work, most likely, which isn't surprising if you've
ever seen how many boxes say 'Sony' at your typical TV station), but
they haven't said much more than that. Certainly such a machine would
need an operating system and considering how much IRIX (specifically) is
used in high-end video, Linux wouldn't be a bad choice. (I really doubt
Sony wants to get into writing their own Unix.)
Sony said they would be happy to sell a thousand such machines, so you
can bet they won't be cheap... but companies like ILM and Squaresoft
would most likely love such things for direct-to-film rendering.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: s@-
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 23 May 2000 09:33:38 -0700
In article <8gdp99$k4a$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter says...
>: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>:>What a load of crap. Alan Cox is the bug track system.
>
>: haha, what a joke.
>
>: a person is a bug tracking system? wow! so if this person gets sick,
>: the bug tracking system goes down?
>
>Yep. Just like if your bugtracking server develops a virus.
I thought linux sw can not get any viruses? but if the bugtracking server
got a viruse, you can get a backup. If the above person got
sick, how do you make a backup of him? And what if he get kidnapped?
and what if he fell and hit his head and lost his memory? and what
if you need to find something about a bug but Allen happened to be
busy in the bathroom at the time, do we wait for him to finish
to find out about a bug? what if he on a vacation?
tell me right now, how many priority one bugs are there against
linux kernel 2.2, and how many are against kernel 2.3.99? Where
can I go now on-line and look at the status of these bugs?
NOt only a bug-tracking system is critical for any modern software
engineering group, it will also help others volunteer work and time for
linux. One can look at the list of bugs and decide to go fix some, it
will actually be good for linux.
May be you guys who think a bug tracking system is not needed for
linux kernel, need to take a course in software engineering one
day, but from the types of replies I read, I doubt that one course will
make any difference.
/s
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Hanging problem in Linux
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:30:30 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My Linux (Red Hat 6.2, kernel 2.14 and 6.1) hangs. I run on the same
computer Windows 98 and it works without hangings. I would like use
only Linux on this computer but I can't. It hangs (freeze), the reset
button could not restart computer (black screen). I have to turn power
of. Please help me. What could be the reason.
I have:
AMD K6-3 400 Mhz running on 100Mhz bus ( 4x100)
S3 868 (2Mb) graphic PCI card
128 Mb Ram ( 2x64 Mb)
HD IBM GXP 27GB ( Linux on hda2 (boot- below 1024) and hda6 and swap on
hda7)
Screen Nokia 447M
When I changed bus speed to 95Mhz ( 4x95) i stop hanging. But next day
I add additional PCI network card and it start hanging again. Than I go
down to 83 Mhz bus speed and it seems to not hang. But what is the
problem , with Windows 95 , 98 and NT I can run eaven in overclocked up
to 450Mhz with bus speed 112Mhz.
What kind of the problem it could, is it related to Linux, or to
hardwareor other problem. Somebody should now this?
Please help!
Addotional information:
I had Linux with the same hardware, but with other motherboard and 486
120Mhz, and it worked perfect.
Please send answer to my email too
Rafael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 23 May 2000 12:28:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Do people really have trouble with ./configure, make, make install?
>>>It has _never_ been a problem for me. Maybe I am just lucky. Even
>>>though I changed my compiler, libc, and libtools.
>>
>>Given a thousand packages, how long does it take you to be sure
>>you have the latest version of each installed using this
>>technique? How long does it take to figure out what is missing
>>when the linker can't resolve a symbol?
>
> Typically the configure script should tell you. That's what
> it's there for. All a binary package buys you is the ability
> to easily force install a whole bunch of stuff at once. In
> the case of RPM, one is specifically abusing the tool in order
> to get it to work in a more convenient fashion.
I like the ability of rpm to NOT install older or matching versions
on top of what is running and to later tell me which files have been
modified or are missing compared to the installed packages.
Also, configure scripts don't know how to satisfy dependencies when
you install several related things at once that must be done in a
certain order. Rpm gets this right if you install them all in one
command.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:36:19 GMT
On 23 May 2000 12:28:02 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>Do people really have trouble with ./configure, make, make install?
>>>>It has _never_ been a problem for me. Maybe I am just lucky. Even
>>>>though I changed my compiler, libc, and libtools.
>>>
>>>Given a thousand packages, how long does it take you to be sure
>>>you have the latest version of each installed using this
>>>technique? How long does it take to figure out what is missing
>>>when the linker can't resolve a symbol?
>>
>> Typically the configure script should tell you. That's what
>> it's there for. All a binary package buys you is the ability
>> to easily force install a whole bunch of stuff at once. In
>> the case of RPM, one is specifically abusing the tool in order
>> to get it to work in a more convenient fashion.
>
>I like the ability of rpm to NOT install older or matching versions
>on top of what is running and to later tell me which files have been
>modified or are missing compared to the installed packages.
>
>Also, configure scripts don't know how to satisfy dependencies when
>you install several related things at once that must be done in a
>certain order. Rpm gets this right if you install them all in one
>command.
No it doesn't. Infact that's one of the most annoying things
about RPM. Given a collection of packages, it's unable to sort
things out for itself.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Apple Advertising <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:46:38 -0500
You forgot to figure in that in order to program in Windows a DECENT (read
reasonably stable, reasonable performance, reasonable maintainability, etc.)
program, you have to first BUY the SDK and API documentation (free documentation
included with Linux - other flavors of *nix vary); and don't forget you also
have to BUY the compiler. BTW - Visual Basic to me is not the best of
programming examples since it does NOTHING to teach the new programmer proper
coding techniques, let alone teach STANDARDS in programming. Especially since
you have to change your coding to match the changes in the OS every 3 years in
order for your program to be OPTIMIZED (read new API's that replace old API's)
and in some instances actually RUN.
This may sound strange to people not used (or can even remember when) there was
a 256K memory barrier, but excess causes people to add more junk in programs
instead of optimizing what they have.
I may be a little off here, but I still have not been able to find documentation
on Windows interfacing without having to purchase the books. And if someone
suggests that the documentation is free - how much did it cost you to go through
Windows certification training before you have access to this free
documentation?
BTW - same programming software requires a per-machine license in order to
LEGALLY be used - Sorry my wife won't let me keep up with the single software
group that I do have let alone get legal on the several machines that I work on
at home (in this case, programming for me is a hobby, not a job).
- Ken
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware or Debian
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:47:07 GMT
Scott Bishop writes:
> Well, my experience has been that to get to that few tens of megabytes,
> you have to shuffle through HUNDREDS of packages.
You need to ignore the 'profiles', go straight into dselect, skip
'Select', and do 'Install', Configure', and 'Quit'. That will install all
essential, required, and standard packages. You can then ignore dselect
and install individual packages with dpkg. The first one you install
should be apt, after which you can install packages with apt-get, which
will handle dependencies for you.
> I'm sorry if it seems like I'm being unfair, but seeing as my experiences
> with Debian have so far been negative,...
Dselect is crap. Fortunately we now have apt, apt-get, capt, gnome-apt,
etc and you can largely ignore dselect.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CAguy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:53:37 GMT
On Tue, 23 May 2000 13:53:53 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>CAguy wrote:
>>
>> On 22 May 2000 19:23:13 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, with billions of dollars now riding on the success of linux...I
>> think it's about time they kicked the kiddies off kernal development,
>> and start using a more professional development process.
>
>who is 'they'?
>
The 'they' I was refering to would be Linus and the other top kernal
developers. I certainly wasn't lumping them in with the 'kiddies'.
>From the interviews of Linus I read..he seems to have his head
on straight and understands the realities of life. And the reality
is..Linux is no longer 'just' a hobby anymore. It's big business.
James
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel not using memory
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:13:07 -0500
"Brian D. Jones" wrote:
>
> I recently bought 64megs of additional ram to put next to the factory
> installed 64 on my gateway celeron 400. the boot messages indicate that
> it's finding all 128megs of ram, but typing "free" shows that the kernel
> is only using 64meg. I've tried swapping the dimms and recompiling the
> kernel (2.2.14, with maximum memory 1GB), but can't get the memory to
> work. I'm fairly certain that the chip works, but I don't know what else
> to try. any advice?
>
> thanks, and please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> brian
What do the commands free and top show about memory usage?
I am running the same kernel and all my memory is used when
necessary.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: "Gerard Milmeister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moonlight3D
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:53:51 +0100
In article <8gdlil$6lv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> maybe you have already visited my moonlight-sites. Now i've added some
> interesing things:
> 1. i've added the 4 original tutorials from moonlight3d.org
> 2. There is a download section with moonlight.0.9.2Beta and
> all tutorials for download
>
> The link: http://www.moonlight.stpinkert.de
BTW, what happened to www.moonlight3d.org?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How do I install a .tar.gz
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:47:42 GMT
I know that there is a string but I'm not sure what it is.
I'm trying to install the theme manager for KDE ver 1.1.1 and i am
having no luck. I got the pacakge extracted but I can't get it to
install.....
Slap me if i'm overlooking something right in my face.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Keith Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Text Based Calendar?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:40:18 -0700
FyreFiend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All,
> I just have one quick question. Does anyone know where I can get a text
> based calendar program for Linux like the one that comes with SunOS or
> *BSD. I checked freshmeat and RH's RPM search but all I could find were
> web or X based ones.
> Thank you,
> Lloyd
> (Sorry if this goes through twice. I don't think the first went through)
> --
> Mind the spam trap. My real address is fyrefiend (at) mac (dot) com.
> Flames just get deleted so don't bother.
himm interesting
--
Keith J. Davey * ~
Computer Task Group * ' '
Gandalf UNIX Services * /V\
Serving the free UNIX * // \\
community since DEC 97. * /( )\
[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^'~'^
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 23 May 2000 13:05:58 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Also, configure scripts don't know how to satisfy dependencies when
>>you install several related things at once that must be done in a
>>certain order. Rpm gets this right if you install them all in one
>>command.
>
> No it doesn't. Infact that's one of the most annoying things
> about RPM. Given a collection of packages, it's unable to sort
> things out for itself.
How does it fail? If I need all of file1.rpm, file2.rpm and file3.rpm
and try to install any one or two at once it will refuse and tell
me the one(s) still needed. If I install all 3 at once on the
same command line in any order, the install will succeed.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need to turn off Apache version info
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:56:22 GMT
Hi,
I'm working with the Nessus tool to improve my security. It is
suggesting that I hide the version information of my Apache server. I
inserted ServerSignature off in the httpd.conf but Nessus could still
figure out the version information. Is there anyway to prevent this
without re-compiling Apache.
Domo!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SB32 -- No sound from Microphone
Date: 23 May 2000 13:29:11 -0400
I can't get any sound piped through my Sound Blaster 32 using RH6.0 or
Mandrake 7.0 from a microphone to the speaker. When I run xmixer the bottom
button below the mic is depressed and in blue (disabled?). Kmix and gmix don't
work either.
If I type
$dd bs=8k count=4 </dev/audio >sample.au then
$cat sample.au >/dev/audio
I get sound, and yes the mic works fine in NT and the rest of the card
works fine in linux (midi and wave). I used sndconfig to set it up.
So... whats going on?
-John
ps. yes I asked this before... but, can anyone talk into their mic using a SB
card and have it come out of the card's amp?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How do I install a .tar.gz
Date: 23 May 2000 14:22:34 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 23 May 2000 17:47:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8geg7o$q46$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I know that there is a string but I'm not sure what it is.
>I'm trying to install the theme manager for KDE ver 1.1.1 and i am
>having no luck. I got the pacakge extracted but I can't get it to
>install.....
The command set you're looking for is as follows:
$ tar xvzf thing1.2.3.tar.gz extract package
$ cd thing1.2.3 cd to newly created directory
$ less README* INSTALL* read the fine manual(s)
$ configure execute configuration script
$ make compile package from source
$ su -c 'make install' install package
>Slap me if i'm overlooking something right in my face.
*WHAP* :-)
This is not at all obvious in the abstract, but every boxed distro I've
seen has a page or two in the manual where they explain about building
packages from source code. Yeah, it should be easier; I really wonder why
there isn't a small shell script called "tarbuild" that just runs through
all those above commands, explains exactly what it's doing, and gives
hints if/when configure or make dies on a missing library.[0][1]
If you are getting errors with "configure" or "make" then a specific
report on those errors would be most helpful.
[0] Yes, I know about apt-get and the *BSD ports system.
[1] This must exist already... why isn't it in wide use among those who
sell boxed distros? Die-hards can always type in the commands by hand...
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: tar'ing only a directory
Date: 23 May 2000 14:34:57 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 23 May 2000 17:38:51 +0100, Matt
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>
>I need to tar a directory and not its sub directories.
>Any ideas ?
Read the info page for tar?
$ tar --no-recursion -cvzf directory.tgz directory/*
Unfortunately, this keeps the subdirectory stubs in directory/, but those
directory stubs are empty of all files. There's probably another way, but
I have no doubt it's a bit mroe complex...
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: tar'ing only a directory
Date: 23 May 2000 18:43:33 GMT
On Tue, 23 May 2000 17:38:51 +0100, Matt wrote:
>Hi
>
>I need to tar a directory and not its sub directories.
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>Regards
>
>Matt
tar c $(find /your.directory -type f -maxdepth 1) >outfile.tar
should work well if there aren't too many files in the directory.
Bastian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel P. Katz)
Subject: Re: Text Based Calendar?
Date: 23 May 2000 14:47:18 -0400
Keith Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> FyreFiend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > I just have one quick question. Does anyone know where I can get a text
> > based calendar program for Linux like the one that comes with SunOS or
> > *BSD. I checked freshmeat and RH's RPM search but all I could find were
> > web or X based ones.
>
> himm interesting
>
There's a nice one in emacs, although firing up emacs to see the date
seems a *lot* like overkill. :-)
Dan
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From: Scott Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware or Debian
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:42:41 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
>
> You need to ignore the 'profiles', go straight into dselect, skip
> 'Select', and do 'Install', Configure', and 'Quit'. That will install all
> essential, required, and standard packages. You can then ignore dselect
> and install individual packages with dpkg. The first one you install
> should be apt, after which you can install packages with apt-get, which
> will handle dependencies for you.
>
Hmm... I'll keep that in mind next time I need to install Linux. I'll
prolly give Debian a try then.
> Dselect is crap. Fortunately we now have apt, apt-get, capt, gnome-apt,
> etc and you can largely ignore dselect.
Thanks for the info. :)
--
--Scott Bishop
WALKER BOLT Manufacturing Co.
(Notice: The opinions stated in this message are not necessarily those
of my employer, nor of any other sane individual for that matter.)
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows by Day, Linux by Night
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:49:57 -0700
On Tue, 23 May 2000, Simone Paddock wrote:
> Nope, we certainly don't intend to spam. Au contraire, the article in
> itself is almost a must-read for anybody working with Linux - and
> the free book supprts exactly what the article is talking about.
hardly any spammers intend to spam - they all do their victims great
favors by alerting them to whathaveyounot. You are no exception.
Gerald
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:18:59 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 23 May 2000 05:49:03 GMT...
...and CAguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, with billions of dollars now riding on the success of linux...I
> think it's about time they kicked the kiddies off kernal development,
> and start using a more professional development process.
s/more professional/slower/
mawa
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-- mawa
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