Linux-Misc Digest #701, Volume #20 Sat, 19 Jun 99 21:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: 'LI' Syndrome fix needed :( (Tarkaan)
Re: Help:Install linux boot on RAID. (building farms of servers) (Marc Mutz)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? ("William Edward
Woody")
Re: Off-line news reader (Marc Mutz)
Re: which linux kernel version to use? (Marc Mutz)
Re: Linux + RAM >64M (Marc Mutz)
Where the heck is that scsi? (Douglas Nichols)
Re: Netscape problem w/Apache (Simone)
Speeding up booting? (Foxtaur)
Re: Linux box for computer newbies : suggestions please ! (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: irq7 (for lp) problem for Linux-2.2.0 (Marc Mutz)
Re: running ppp as non-root (Marc Mutz)
Re: Linux & others... (Marc Mutz)
Re: Red Hat 6.0 Bugs <possible solution> (David "@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>)
Re: Help:Install linux boot on RAID. (building farms of servers) (Justin B
Willoughby)
Debian -- XF86Config ("Mrbee")
Fat 32 Coversion - No Problem (Alistair Hamilton)
Re: Linux uid limits! ("Scot E. Wilcoxon")
Bash script question: how to modify PATH? (Ding-Jung Han)
Menu's don't work in some apps? ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Redhat 6.0 and Gnome: Help to make it look less like windows!!!! ("William
Peters")
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From: Tarkaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 'LI' Syndrome fix needed :(
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:36:57 -0400
John Girash wrote:
>
> Tarkaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been working on this issue for a good ten hours now. I want linux
> > to boot from the hard drive. My disk is ST3660A .. My boot floppy
> > reports the geometry as being CHS=1057/16/63.
>
> This isn't necessarily the same geometry used when your partitions were
> created and LILO was installed. Does fdisk report mismatches of partition
> parameters when you run it after booting from rescue floppy? It could be
> that "LBA" was enabled in your BIOS when setting up the drive and somehow
> got turned off in the meantime, for example.
Thanks for the reply. I don't see any errors when running fdisk. I
have since obtained lilo 21, and done an fdisk /mbr. When I installed
lilo 21, I just got an 'L' this time, followed by a bunch of "00 00 00"
...any ideas on that? Or how to obtain my correct drive geometry?
-- Jack Tarkaan Kalamazoo, Michigan
-- http://www.bigfoot.com/~tarkaan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- NO UNSOLICITED E-MAIL AT THIS ADDRESS - Respect privacy - NO SPAM!!!!
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:48:04 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help:Install linux boot on RAID. (building farms of servers)
Abe Lin wrote:
>
> Hi, guys,
> We're gonna build a farm of servers. The config is like this:
> PIII 400, Asus 100 Mhz MB with SCSI, Mylex AcceleRAID, 5x 9 G HD
> (seagate baracuda). cheapo video card. 512MB ram.
>
> Here's the help-wanted issues:
> a.Can we configure AcceleRAID so Linux sees the 45G as a big HD, and
> still be able to boot from it?
probablay not. BIOS mustbe able to locate sectors beyond the first 8
Gigs.
>
> b.The HD of our choice is not suuported on the
> ftp://ftp.mylex.com/pub/dac960/diskcomp.html for AcceleRAID, but it is
> for those DAC960PL/PDU/PG. Can we install on those disks still?
> Those are Seagate Baracuda ST19171W.
Don's know, sorry. :-(
>
> c.I'm not sure about the CPU issue, I do hope this setup would be
> better than what we had:
> Ultrasparc 143Mhz, 196Meg RAM. 2xSun 2.1G HD, 1xSeagate 39173. total
> 13Gig. Cannot believe that we packed like 200 sites on it.
I don't think you'll get real performance boosts from the new machine,
except when you run an exessively high percentage of CGI scripts (around
50%).
I'd suggest upgrading the Sun to 512M RAM and put new hd's in it. It
would a machine that can at least compete with your proposed
configuration, but costs far less.
The reason for that is that although Intel-PC's can generally compete
with Unix servers in processor power, they are hopelessly blown away by
even older systems when it comes to I/O performance.
Don't expect too much speed enhancement from raid arrays, unless you use
a raid level that boosts *write* performance, e.g. striping, because the
limiting factor of any well loaded web server is not reading htmls and
jpgs from disk (the file buffer usually takes care of that), but writing
to the http-log!
Sun has a very good reputation when it comes to web serving, so think
twice before you throw your good horse away for such a cheap competitor.
Marc
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From: "William Edward Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:03:41 -0700
Andy Dent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message...
> "William Edward Woody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >The recent innovation I was refering to, by the way, is the
> >Microsoft "HAL" layer (Hardware Abstraction Layer) which Apple
> >recently adopted for the MacOS. The idea is that you create a
> >set of "abstractions" which abstract out the hardware differences
> >in various Macintosh or IBM PC models.
>
> Just a minor nitpick (and about the only point on which I agree with
> Lawrence) is that this is NOT a recent innovation.
>
> From my experience I can point to a similar layer in Digital VAX mini's at
> least 12 years ago. Quite a large part of the instruction set of the
> virtual VAX processor was handled by exceptions (instruction not
> implemented) in the CPU of the smaller machines and calculated by library
> routines in the abstraction layer.
>
> (VAX instruction set is a big one, eg: including a polynomial solving
> instruction and a lot of COBOL string processing instructions).
>
> My apologies if your use of the term 'recent' meant its application to
> desktop machines.
I was thinking desktop machines, though the stuff I wrote
doesn't necessarly restrict itself to desktops. I stand
(sorta) corrected.
I was aware of the VAX cpu emulation stuff, and given that a
large chunk of the Microsoft NT team came from Digital, I
wouldn't be supprised if the idea was directly transplanted.
> FWIW I believe firmly that an HTML renderer should be a runtime lib
> supplied with the OS. There's a lot of difference between a common (and
> replaceable if desired) rendering engine and the browser. The Mac suffers
> from the lack of one!
I suspect one is comming soon...
- Bill Woody
The PandaWave
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:51:10 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off-line news reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Real simple question - can anybody reccomend a good _off-line_
> news reader? When I wandered aimlessly in the world of Microsoft
> I used a news reader called 'Free Agent'. I've tried the KDE
> news reader, but it has a number of problems.
>
> Any ideas? It costs way too much to view the news via Deja.com
>
set up your own newsserver with leafnode, innd (?), or the like.
Marc
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:30:53 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which linux kernel version to use?
BM Lam wrote:
>
> I installed Linux 1.2.3 a while ago on my PC. Though working pretty much
> with Unix, I only turn on my Linux PC now and then.
>
> I am planning to install Oracle8 on Linux. Could anyone tell me if I
> would be ok with my current kernel version or if I need to upgrade,
> which version is the most stable or recommendable one?
>
> Thanks for any hints.
>
If your kernel version is that old, your hardware may be too and you
should probably stick with 2.0 kernels. 2.0.37 is the latest and no
older kernel should be used due to their vulnerablity for the DoS
attack.
Marc
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:49:41 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + RAM >64M
Thomas Ruedas wrote:
>
> A colleague of mine wants to get a new computer with 128MB RAM and needs
> to know if there is a problem for Linux to address more than 64M. I seem
> to remember having read that it is necessary to recompile the kernel
> after an appropriate change if one wants to run Linux with more 64M, but
> I'm not sure and I didn't find a reference to the problem now.
> Any comments? The colleague has one of the newest Red hat releases.
> Thanks,
> --
Search this newsgroup before posting.
This question has been answered dozens of times.
Marc
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From: Douglas Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Where the heck is that scsi?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:55:54 +0000
i have two ide/atapi cd's- one NEC & one HP writer 7200i.
Prior to the upgrade I hade scd0 was my NEC and SCD1 was my
HP. But now under rh6.0 I have only the NEC. And I get scd#
all pointing to the NEC. I can see that it sees my HP but
doesn't seem to assign it to anything.
So where is my HP and why is the NEC = scd0-scd9?
Thanks for your help!
--
Cheers
Douglas Nichols
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
============================================================================
Database Manager National Wilms
Tumor Study Group
Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simone)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Netscape problem w/Apache
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:21:32 GMT
On Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:01:28 GMT, "Brent Davies"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am using RH 5.1 and Apache for my web site. I developed the website with
>Hot Metal Pro. The problem is with Netscape Navigator. When I address the
>URL I get the main page the way I should. From that point forward, no
>matter how many links I click on, only the raw HTML code is displayed in the
>Netscape browser. Internet Explorer works perfectly.
>
>I thought it might be the fact that all of my web pages use the extension
>.htm instead .html, but I made sure that the .htm extension is in the search
>order in httpd.conf.
>
>Has anyone seen this behavior before? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>-Brent
>
>
You must not only put .htm extension on the search path of httpd.conf,
you must also specify in srm.conf that .htm files must be read as HTML
ones!! Watch on srm.conf, you will find how to tell apache to
associate a file extension to an image, text, or html document.
Bye
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From: Foxtaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Speeding up booting?
Date: 19 Jun 1999 23:49:33 GMT
I have a simple Win98/RH60 box, each on its own partition, LILO to pick
either at boot time, and LOADLIN to start Linux if I've already booted to
DOS/Windows. (I haven't yet figured out how to use freedos...)
I've managed to tweak the Windows half so that it boots to a command
prompt, starts Telemate (equivilent to minicom), and dials my local
freenet; I'm reading my e-mail less than 65 seconds after I push the
power button.
On the other hand, booting Linux, it takes more than a minute just to get
to the login: prompt, let alone start minicom and dial in.
So... where should I look for information on how to tweak my Linux
partition so that it boots faster?
(For example, as far as I know, I don't need any of the network
protocols, except possibly X windows needs them... and I've had some
troubles compiling new kernels due to strangenesses with loadable modules,
so I've stopped playing with kernels until I figure out what I was doing
wrong...)
--
Daniel Boese, the agnostic Gnostic
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Linux box for computer newbies : suggestions please !
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:21:30 GMT
On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 12:25:37 +0200, Marc Mutz wrote:
>I always recommend (and use it myself) SWAP = 2 * RAM.
2 * RAM? So with 128 megs, I'd want 256 megs of swap? Hmmm..
I've got 64 megs of RAM, and use 64 megs of swap.
I usually try to make RAM + SWAP = ~128 megs.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:27:28 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: irq7 (for lp) problem for Linux-2.2.0
Rafael Stekolshchik wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> 1) Linux kernel configired to 2.2.0 with next
> paramters ( from .config ):
>
> CONFIG_PRINTER=y
> CONFIG_PARPORT=y
> CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y
>
> 2) dmesg | grep parport
> returns:
>
> parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [SPP]
> lp0: using parport0 (polling).
>
> 3) Package procinfo returns:
>
> irq 0: 1409780 timer
> irq 1: 20771 keyboard
> irq 2: 0 cascade [4]
> irq 4: 49560 serial
> irq 6: 2
> irq 13: 1 fpu
> irq 14: 319753 ide0
> irq 15: 5 ide1
>
> I don't see irq 7 ( for lp ).
> How irq 7 (for lp ) may be configured (added)?
>
> Any answer will be appreciated.
>
> Rafael.
If you have configured the /proc fs, then you could
echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq
This should do. If it does, you can add it to you init script.
Marc
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 23:32:47 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: running ppp as non-root
scable wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Can anybody out there tell me how to make a ppp interface available to
> non-root users in RH6.0?
> The Red Hat FAQ page on this question was not very helpful. Thanks.
pppd need root priv's because it changes the kernel routing table. So
the only way to do this is make it suid.
Marc
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:04:00 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & others...
Hi out there!
Who says here Linux is not for final users? I just installed Linux for
two friends of mine. The one has no clue about computers, the other one
has only worked with win so far. Well, I'd admit that installing Linux
is more involved than installing windows (although there are rumors
caldera's openlinux beats win in that), but then both of them would not
be able to install *win* by themselves. Having a running system with
KDE, they can work with it just like they would do with win. And if
there are problems, they come running to me just as they would do when
they had problems with win. The only bigger difference for them is that
they can do almost anything without wrecking the system. In Linux they
are simply not able to do that unless they are root'ing around, where
everyone can most easily destroy any win installation.
What I want to say is: Linux is now ready for everyday use even with
beginners! Yes, they do not understand what they are doing, but they do
not with win either. All that matters is to have someone who does - be
it win or be it linux...
Marc
Walter wrote:
>
> Hi! my name is Fernando and this is just some thoughts i had since
> starting using Linux.( sorry for my inglish, it's been a long time since I
> don't use it)
>
> I really think Linux is a GREAT system: it's free, it WORKS! I trully
> believe that in a few years Linux will take it's place in big offices as the
> best cost/production server. The Linux it self has shown it!
> What I still wonder is if Linux will be on the HOME computers around the
> world... Let me explain : As great as Linux is as a functional system ( NO
> DOUBT about it) , it is in many ways still hard for use when it comes to
> final users. In spite of lot of people said to me that the "filosofy" of
> Linux weren't made for comon users, it bugs me a little that the heroic idea
> of a free system can not be shared by all. Thus the problem that there are
> so many things going around Linux ,that it gets real hard to choose one!
> Meanning : By the NET I've seen lot of programs to 3D stuff, all free, but
> none complete. Please, don't take me wrong here, I think Linux is of the
> best things that happened ever! But still have somethings to be worked out
> not as a system, but in it's use).
> Some other facts are also true: Besides the fact that microsoft has
> lattely done some "not cool" things, their work in turning it system into a
> simple-using one ( meaning it's not hard at all to install and use it. Let's
> face it, for example: internet explorer5 as I've seen, is simple and
> powerfull for comon user, even if it's a bit slow) is it biggest reason for
> the popularity of Windows sys around the world, and, because of that, most
> used programs ( and good ones, as 3dmax etc...)are only found in use with
> Windows. The bad point of it is that the cost grew so high that the only way
> lots of of people could use it, is doing (or purchasing by) hacker
> tuff( which is illegal!!!). So it became a circle: everyone uses windows
> because it's simple and "easy to find", gives Microsoft it's big name,
> because everybody uses it.
> I relly don't know the answer for ending this, but maybe, if Linux would
> get started in some kind of "workstation simple users package" , than we
> would have a real utopia thing going on!
>
> Thank you for your attention and, if you'd like to say sometinhg write to :
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: David <"dm89754<nospam>"@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat,linux.redhat.announce,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Red Hat 6.0 Bugs <possible solution>
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:41:35 -0500
Luca Satolli wrote:
> Hi all,
> I've installed Red Hat 6.0 about 20 days ago. I was a Red Hat 5.2 Linux.
> After 20 days I've compiled a list of bugs or something that I suppose
> to be bugs, I would like to know if someone have find this trouble or if
> someone have a solution of them.
>
>
> 3. Somethimes E sound crash, I get this error logging out from a user
> and logging in into another. It happens only if the both the users use
> Enlightenment.
> <snip>
> That's all. If u have find other "Bugs" let me know.
> Thanks a lot and best regards
> Luca Satolli
I had the same problems with regards to sound.
I saw somebody post that this problem was because esd, the enlightenment
sound daemon, doesn't terminate when the user logs out. As a result, no
other users can access the sound device once another user has. This is
pretty crappy.
I believe the solution is to start esd with the -terminate switch, which I
think unloads esd when you logout. Not knowing where to actually set the
switches that enlightenment uses when it calls esd, however, I did the
following and it seemed to fix the problem.
(in the /usr/bin directory...)
(1) mv esd messed-up
(2) write the following shell script as "esd":
#!/bin/sh
messed-up -terminate $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9
(3) chmod a+x esd
Then when the user exits, esd should unload.
d
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Help:Install linux boot on RAID. (building farms of servers)
Date: 20 Jun 1999 00:10:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Marc Mutz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Abe Lin wrote:
>>
>> Hi, guys,
>> We're gonna build a farm of servers. The config is like this:
>> PIII 400, Asus 100 Mhz MB with SCSI, Mylex AcceleRAID, 5x 9 G HD
>> (seagate baracuda). cheapo video card. 512MB ram.
>>
>> Here's the help-wanted issues:
>> a.Can we configure AcceleRAID so Linux sees the 45G as a big HD, and
>> still be able to boot from it?
> probablay not. BIOS mustbe able to locate sectors beyond the first 8
> Gigs.
Note really. I believe you only need the bios to but the OS Loader (LILO
for example) which boots the OS (Linux for example). I have used HDs that
were never setup in the BIOS and Linux did not care. But like I said the
BIOS does load the OS Loader/OS. (Just put LILO and maybe the kernel
within the 1024th sector or on another non-raid device).
I am note sure what restrictions Linux puts on HD sizes, I know there is a
Large HD HOWTO out there but I have never looked at it.
- Justin
--
_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ RULES!!!!!!! * LINUX RULES *
_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://www.nmc.edu/~willouj/
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ------ Jesus Is Lord ------
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From: "Mrbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Debian -- XF86Config
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:50:11 +0100
Gents,
I have a Compaq Armada 1750, with 2 operating systems in one disk and both
work fine.
My problem is with the windown system under Linux.
Is there anybody that can send me a copy of the XF86Config file for X
running under Debian.
Display RAGE LT PRO AGP 2X (English)
Chip type Mach64LT
DAC type Internal
Features DirectDraw(tm)
SW Version 5.25-C9Y
Appreciate the help
Antonio Abelha
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+351 933 6001338
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alistair Hamilton)
Subject: Fat 32 Coversion - No Problem
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 00:48:02 GMT
Just to let you know, I ran the Win98 FAT 32 converter on my hda1
partition, and it went just fine. I did not even have to reinstall
lilo. The linux installation was entirely unaffected.
For almost no effort, I got another 200 MBytes - not bad on a 1G
partition. Just goes to show how inefficient FAT 16 is!
Alistair
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From: "Scot E. Wilcoxon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux uid limits!
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:50:50 -0500
> How very big sites, offering web space and
> email like Geocities and Xoom, handle million user accounts?
Those sites don't need to assign a uid to provide
services. Those services are just data handling and
can be entries in databases. They don't require that
they be implemented using the common Unix tools.
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From: Ding-Jung Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Bash script question: how to modify PATH?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 20:23:54 -0400
I wrote a simple script to switch between two c compilers (egcs and
pgcc); this involves changing a soft link /lib/cpp to the correct cpp
program and set the correct path so that the version desired is
guaranteed to be found out first.
My only question is that, every time I execute the script the PATH
variable in the current shell is not modified at all! I guess the EXPORT
only modifies PATH in the child shell? Is there anything I missed?
(script is attached below)
TIA,
Ben
--- script "change-gcc"
#!/bin/sh
if [ -f /lib/cpp.egcs ]
then
mv /lib/cpp /lib/cpp.pgcc
mv /lib/cpp.egcs /lib/cpp
PATH=`echo $PATH | awk -F: '{printf("/usr/bin"); for (x=2;$x!="";x++)
printf(":%s",$x);}'`
else
mv /lib/cpp /lib/cpp.egcs
mv /lib/cpp.pgcc /lib/cpp
PATH=`echo $PATH | awk -F: '{printf("/opt/pgcc/bin"); for
(x=2;$x!="";x++) printf(":%s",$x);}'`
fi
ls -l /lib/cpp
echo $PATH
export PATH
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Menu's don't work in some apps?
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:05:02 -0400
I was wondering if anyone has ever seen this problem
before...
I've been having a problem with some applications... all of
which seem to be based on older or more primative libraries, not
QT or GTK or anything. Ones in particular are VIM (the vi editor
under X) and RealPlayer. These applications have pull-down menus
at the top... but when you click on them you can't scroll down to
select any of the options from the menu.
I was wondering if this is a common problem, and I need to
just download some new libraries (lol) or something like that.
Pardon me if that sounds dumb....
Steve
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From: "William Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 and Gnome: Help to make it look less like windows!!!!
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:53:26 -0700
It sounds like you would want to use a standard window manager like window
maker or fvwm rather than a desktop manager / window manager combination
such as gnome or kde. I rocommend that you switch since you will make
better use of your system resources running a standard wm rather than
running a desktop manager and not using any of the features anyway.
In gnome you can change the enlightenment and gtk themes to make it look
much different from windows. Check the screenshots on www.gnome.org or
themes.org. However, the interface to change this has little to do with
editing startup scripts. I personally like gnome, however I find it to be
somewhat unstable at times.
I would also like to get rid of the redhat graphic on the gdm startup
screen. If anyone knows how to do this, clue me in.
GatonSon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dear Linux Community,
>
> I have Redhat 6.0 with the Gnome/KDE WM. I'm kind of new to Linux so
please be
> patient. The problem is it all looks to much like windows!! I want to
learn
> how to use linux, not try and make linux like windows. Using Gnome as a
WM
> (being it's already installed), I want to clean up the desktop. All I
want on
> my screen is one terminal window (I'm beginning to learn to use Bash to
run
> startup scripts for other desktop utilities at startup (xclock, emacs,
etc). I
> want to change the menus that appear when I click on the desktop with the
left,
> middle, and right buttons. Ideally, it would be great to get rid of the
start
> menu on the bottom of the screen and be able to get at all my utilities
(and
> maybe one submenu somewhere for gnome apps) through the menu on the mouse
> clicks instead of the start menu.
>
> Like I said, I'm more interested in learning Linux/UNIX than trying learn
a
> window manager that is just trying to be windows.
>
> Oh yea. Does anyone know how I can get rid of the Redhat graphic
throughout
> the system (Like on the login screen, etc). I've never been very
commercial.
> I don't mind using Redhat, I just don't need graphic everywhere I turn.
>
> Thank you very much for help you may have. I heartly appreciate all your
> efforts.
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