Linux-Misc Digest #84, Volume #21 Mon, 19 Jul 99 15:13:14 EDT
Contents:
cannot play fullscreen mode in MpegTV ("Lau Ting Chung")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
linuxconf (Silviu Minut)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Ashley Penney)
slack 4.0 installation problem... (TecMaster)
Re: Virtual consoles, terminals, process questions (Horst von Brand)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (toby)
Realaudio ("Drew A. Dunn")
Re: sin + cos in C (Gergo Barany)
Re: Can "top" memory use stats be trusted? (Robert Heller)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Holger Kruse)
Re: would linux run on a partition NTFS from NT4 with sp5 (Leonard Evens)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
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From: "Lau Ting Chung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cannot play fullscreen mode in MpegTV
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:37:35 +0800
Can anyone tell me how to play Fullscreen in MpegTv ,I use SuSE linux 6.1
and just download MpegTv, but I only can play in root window and full screen
mode is fail only get a small windows and black was surround it .
I try to edit my XF86Config in the Modelines but it seems not work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:23:48 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 19 Jul 1999 10:16:04 GMT...
..and Ashley Penney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:18:43 -0500, audadvnc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
> :Yikes, Ashley, are you truly advocating eugenics? Now there's a bad
> :science.
>
> Hey, when I watch the news I start thinking how it can't be that bad an
> idea, we can't get any *worse*.
>
> I was reading my local newspaper which told me that 40% of 11 year old's
> are illiterate. Statements like that mean we're failing. Badly.
That's not a genetics problem.
mawa
--
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, here I come!
-- Chet T. Laughlin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:23:18 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 19 Jul 1999 01:00:25 GMT...
..and Ashley Penney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:01:55 +0200, Matthias Warkus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
> :It was the 18 Jul 1999 13:39:35 GMT...
> :..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> In article <7mse68$6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) writes:
> :>
> :> > Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
> :> > is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship. You can't run
> :> > the world on destruction alone but you sure as bloody hell *can*
> :> > run it on construction alone! The same applies to honesty vs. lies
> :> > in moral philosophy. The situation is *not* symmetric.
> :> >
> :> > So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
> :> > besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
> :> Harumph. The natural world *does* run on competition, rather
> :> than on cooperation: competition for food and living space,
> :> both inter and intra species.
> :> When left alone, nature weeds out the weaker, and the stronger
> :> get to procreate.
> :
> :Men are not animals. Nature doing something in a certain way does not
> :imply that mankind should do it the same way; often it implies that
> :one should indeed do it the opposite way.
>
> Maybe I've missed something in the conversation, but why should we attempt
> to against what has been proven to work time after time? Indeed, the world
> is going to get worse because of the genetically damaged humans who are
> reproducing now.
If you keep on advocating social darwinism, you'll go right into my
scorefile. We all know what social darwinism leads to.
I am not mentioning any names because that would invoke Godwin's Law.
'Nuff said.
mawa
--
Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, here I come!
-- Chet T. Laughlin
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: msu.linux.misc
Subject: linuxconf
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:09:40 -0400
What does the following do at the end of /etc/inetd.conf?
#
# End of inetd.conf
linuxconf stream tcp wait root /bin/linuxconf linuxconf --http
I know about the format of inetd.conf, but what exacly does linuxconf
--http do and why is it there? Just to be able to run linuxconf in a
browser? Or so that people can configure my computer over the net? Just
kidding.
As usual, running RedHat6.0.
Thanks!
Silviu Minut
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ashley Penney)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 19 Jul 1999 19:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:45:06 -0400, toby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
:>
:
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] blethered ridiculously:
:
:> I'm not saying that to be horrible, I'm trying to be as clinical as I can,
:> and it's a proven fact that illness/weaknesses can be passed down via the
:> genes. The more a genetically weak person reproduces, the worse the human
:> population becomes.
:>
:
:Of course, this coming from a resident of a nation that perpetrated the colonizer's
:model of the world to its very extreme.
:
:"Right ho, let's not let the Fuzzy Wuzzies breed too much as they might add to our
:already incredible burden, so lets castrate a few and sterilize a few and come up
:with a specious war to subjugate the rest. All before tea time, of course. What?"
:Lead on, Master Kipling!
Hmm, your wrapping appears broken. You may want to fix that. Secondly, your
entire post so far has had absolutely no point at all, have I missed something?
:> Hey, you can see it in action with redneck americans already! (JOKING!)
:
:You probably wouldn't know a redneck if he were to slap you silly. So don't make
:jokes at the expense of people who are placed in the lower classes as a result of
:the actions of the upper classes. Remember the some of the people who started the
:Civil War and caused the incredible poverty and ignorance in the American South
:that can still be seen today, were, for the most part, landed gentry with origins
:in the aristocracy of (oh my) the UK. Please cross post any urban legends about
:inbreeding in the American South and Appalachia to alt.folklore.urban, so you can
:be thoroughly abused. And rightly so. Carry on, then.
Right. Lets ban all other jokes that make fun of anyone, because we don't want
to *shock* offend anyone! OH NO! THE HORROR. Oversensitive people are silly, I
won't get upset and cry if you call me a stupid limey moron, especially when
followed by (JOKING!).
--
Ashley Penney - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The dinosaurs died because they didn't have a space program. -- Arthur C Clarke
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From: TecMaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: slack 4.0 installation problem...
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:15:33 -0500
I am having a really hard time installing Slackware 4.0 on a machine...
I have done it on a couple other machines successfully, but i dunno what
the deal with this one is...
It is a Intel Pentium 60. I have two hard drives -- one 550Meg(primary
master - /dev/hda), and a 350Meg(primary slave - (/dev/hdb)...The 350
Meg contains the slackware 4.0 installation files(downloaded from
ftp.cdrom.com - have used these files for installation before). The 550
Meg drive is the one i want to install to.
Now when I have the 16 MB of RAM in the machine and try and install(all
i do is type "setup") and I get some CPU errors or something like that..
Something about "the kernel couldnt handle paging requests" or
somethin. When I take 8 MB of RAM out, and try to install again, I type
"setup" and it gives me a whole bunch of "Bus Error"s... Thats all it
says.
Is it something in my motherboard? I tried several things in there,
such as, disabling 32-Bit IDE Transfer Mode, disabling internal/external
cache memory, disabling IDE LBA Mode...
Can anyone think of anything?
Any help would be greatly appreciated...
TecMaster
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From: Horst von Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virtual consoles, terminals, process questions
Date: 19 Jul 1999 14:01:33 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> How can I prevent processes from dying when the terminal dies?
> Example: Telnet in. Start program. Telnet gets disconnected. Currently,
> the program dies with the connection.
>
> Also, how can I move processes from one tty to another? Let's say I
> start up a program while telnetted in, then I login on the console and
> want to continue that program there. Is there a way?
screen(1)
> Yet Another Question: If the screen on the console gets trashed, that
> is, there's a bunch of high ascii stuff where there ought to be regular
> text, how can I get it back? Assume that I can type commands, although I
> can't see what I typed. I've had this happen, and clear or reset just
> makes the screen go to it's equivalant of blank with characters at the
> top that look like the command prompt, except with weird characters
> instead of letters.
^Jreset^J #^J is ctrl-J
--
Dr. Horst H. von Brand mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431
Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239
Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile Fax: +56 32 797513
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From: toby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:45:06 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] blethered ridiculously:
> I'm not saying that to be horrible, I'm trying to be as clinical as I can,
> and it's a proven fact that illness/weaknesses can be passed down via the
> genes. The more a genetically weak person reproduces, the worse the human
> population becomes.
>
Of course, this coming from a resident of a nation that perpetrated the colonizer's
model of the world to its very extreme.
"Right ho, let's not let the Fuzzy Wuzzies breed too much as they might add to our
already incredible burden, so lets castrate a few and sterilize a few and come up
with a specious war to subjugate the rest. All before tea time, of course. What?"
Lead on, Master Kipling!
> Hey, you can see it in action with redneck americans already! (JOKING!)
You probably wouldn't know a redneck if he were to slap you silly. So don't make
jokes at the expense of people who are placed in the lower classes as a result of
the actions of the upper classes. Remember the some of the people who started the
Civil War and caused the incredible poverty and ignorance in the American South
that can still be seen today, were, for the most part, landed gentry with origins
in the aristocracy of (oh my) the UK. Please cross post any urban legends about
inbreeding in the American South and Appalachia to alt.folklore.urban, so you can
be thoroughly abused. And rightly so. Carry on, then.
Toby 'It took a tattoed boy from Birmingham to really open her eyes' Applegate
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From: "Drew A. Dunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Realaudio
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:55:35 -0400
Has anyone been able to get Realaudio to work under redhat 6.0? If so,
could you please help.
Drew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Subject: Re: sin + cos in C
Date: 19 Jul 1999 18:15:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gus wrote:
>> >> any reason why we have 2 more responses than neeeded?
>> >
>> >You don't understand how newsgroups work, do you?
>>
>> Part of using newsgroups is the ability to foresee which questions will
>> get many responses, and to not answer them.
>>
>> Gergo
>>
>> --
>
>To quote Major Major Major in Heller's Catch 22 "And what if everybody
>thought like that?"
His middle name was Major, too, so that makes is Major Major..., but I
digress. I think we can be assured that not everybody thinks like that.
And if they do and remain silent, maybe the OP would get some
documentation and read it. How in the world is he going to hear about
the -ansi -pedantic-errors -Wall -c -o (and all other) switches?
Gergo
--
"I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd
eat it, and I just hate it."
-- Clarence Darrow
GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can "top" memory use stats be trusted?
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:11:34 GMT
Graham Higgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:52:10 +0100, wrote :
GH> Hi,
GH>
GH> I'm puzzled. I have four Linux boxes, each with different hardware
GH> (PII/133, Cyrix/233, Cyrix/266, PIII/450), each running a different
GH> RedHat kernel (2.0.27, 2.2.5-15, 2.2.5-22, 2.2.10) and each with
GH> different amounts of memory (64Mb, 96Mb, 128Mb, 512Mb) but all running
GH> much the same processes. After running for a day or so, all of them
GH> report (via "top" and "free") max memory use and even a little bit of
GH> swap.
GH>
GH> Okay, I can believe the PII/133/64Mb might get maxed out, but there's
GH> absolutely no way the the PIII/450/500Mb box should be using all its
GH> memory.
GH>
GH> What I find even more confusing is that I can't make the arithmetic
GH> work. When I mentally sum the memory apparently used by the processes,
GH> it just doesn't match the total value reported by top.
GH>
GH> The Cyrix/266 is running only basic system daemons, nothing expensive.
GH> There a apaprently 50-odd processes running, 6 of which are just over
GH> 1Mb, the rest are significantly sub-1Mb and there's a clutch of nfs
GH> procs at 0Mb - yet the total used is apparently 128Mb.
GH>
GH> What makes me suspicious of the process accounting is: the PIII/450
GH> kicks off after reboot with a sensible 40Mb use, after firing up an 8Mb
GH> CMUCL-driven CL-HTTP as a test it rises to 125Mb use (rather
GH> extravagant but I can live with it). Left overnight on the local Lan
GH> (i.e. zero use of the server) it rises to 514Mb and has even dug into
GH> swap by 7Mb.
GH>
GH> Perhaps a leak on the PIII/450 then? But ...
GH>
GH> I then start my bloated Apache - (5-6Mb per process * 8 processes) plus
GH> (8 * 8.5Mb) java JServ processes (that, I'm given to understand, *is*
GH> incorrect, there is only *one* java process there). Well, that's quite
GH> a chunk of memory required, at least 50Mb. However, top reports no
GH> change in memory use, not even in swap.
GH>
GH> I then actually trigger the java engine by calling a servlet and the 8
GH> java processes leap upwards to 46Mb each (er, what?!).
GH>
GH> Top remains unpeturbed by this - RAM and swap use totals are exactly
GH> the same as reported before.
GH>
GH> I then stop the httpd server and guess what? total memory use drops by
GH> 50Mb - as one would expect. However, repeating the start/stop of the
GH> server has no further effect on top's reporting.
GH>
GH> Am I missing something here?
GH>
Yes. Lets look at what top says on my '486DX66 box: 40meg RAM, 64Meg swap,
up for 18 days, 19:01:
Mem: 38868K av, 37976K used, 892K free, 28624K shrd, 752K buff
Swap: 66556K av, 13184K used, 53372K free 13108K cached
Ok, there is 38.8meg available (40meg less a bit lost to the kernel).
Most of memory is in use (yeah, I'm running X, have netscape up, httpd
is running, innd is running, all of the usual stuff). A chuck of swap
is in use (no real surprise there). Two notes:
Just under a meg is 'buff' (752K). This is disk cache buffers. Now my
machine is tight on RAM (40meg), but your boxes are not. Also note
that 28meg of RAM is 'shrd' (shared) -- shared libraries. Note that
there is 892K free -- this *includes* the 752K buff, since the disk
cache is really available memory (just flush (if 'dirty') and grab).
Most of the 13184K used swap space is cached (13108K). This means that
some little used processes got swapped at some point, but has since
swapped back in. The swapped out parts have not been reclaimed (lots of
free swap space: 53372K). If these pages are not dirty, than there is
another 13108K of free RAM available, should some hog (eg Netscape)
demand it.
Look at the numbers *closely* on the 500meg box. 'Left overnight' means
the cron job that (re-)builds the locate database ran. This cron job
traverses the disk using find. Probably *every* directory entry gets
hit, likely over 500meg worth -- all of this is probably sitting quietly
in your disk buffer cache. All of this memory is really free RAM.
Probably during this locate database update some unused process (nfsd?
mountd?) got swapped out, just because it was old and the kernel decided
the memory was better used for the disk buffer cache, since these
processes had been sleeping for a very long time (since boot up?).
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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From: Holger Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 18:42:08 GMT
In comp.sys.amiga.misc Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course if you really do mean "without a seam" that would
> mean your multimedia application will be running in
> superuser mode. Well, we've been there before and the view
> isn't pretty,
You are arguing from the point of view of a traditional
macrokernel. In microkernel architectures you can do a lot of
things without supervisor mode that, efficiently done, would
require supervisor mode in macrokernels. The original argument
was QNX vs. Linux.
> No, that's what multimedia has does with a TCPIP stack, but
> a TCPIP stack does not do anything with multimedia.
> Basically, what you want to do is put data in memory, push
> it through the stack and out the wire. There is no TCPIP
> stack in the world that can not do this.
Unless you take QoS, IPv6, multicasting, tunnelling and many
other requirements into account. Look at recent video/audio
integration tests on the MBone and then tell me again that
Trumpet Winsock can do that. We will see MANY changes and
extensions to what we currently consider TCP/IP in the
next few years.
> >Trouble is they HAVE numerical dominance on the Internet.
> Not on the servers. Let's face it, if all the Win9x machines
> disappeared overnight, no one would notice much difference.
True, but what does that prove ? The point is that a monopoly
exists in the client market, but not in the server market,
so client technology is driving server technology, not the
other way around. In other words: Microsoft says "hop" and
everyone jumps. See below for examples.
> It's good that you put standard in quotes. MS-CHAP is a
> "standard" in the same way as Frontpage extensions are a
> "standard". They came in with NT and are a failing attempt
> at embrace and extend.
I disagree with "failing". MS-CHAP is succeeding in the sense
that lots of mindless ISP sysops who don't even know what
"encrypt passwords" really means checkmark that option in
NT to give users "more security". As a result non-Windows
clients also have to support it, because otherwise those
users will not be able to log in to ISPs requiring it. Try
to explain to an ISP that you are not using Windows and they
will tell you that they ONLY support Windows, not "inferior
operating systems that don't support encryption, for security
reasons". (Not my opinion, I am just quoting).
Been there, done that. I HAD to add support for MS-CHAP
(v1) in Miami years ago, because lots of users could not
log in to their ISPs without it. Now that Microsoft is
deploying MS-CHAP v2 it is only a matter of time until
v1 support is phased out in NT (probably with the release
of Win-2000), and then I'll have to add support for v2
as well. I am NOT looking forward to that...
THAT is the reality, not a dreamworld of open standards
in which Microsoft, Linux and BSD all happily cooperate,
implement things independently, and the best standards win.
> They have complete dominance on the desktop such that
> anything they create is a "standard" by fiat, (remember Pen
> for Windows?) but for stuff off the desktop they are
> struggling.
These days Windows desktops dictate where the Internet
is going -- unfortunately.
> No. If Microsoft implement something that prevents their
> stuff talking to the servers, then people will stop buying
> their OS.
You are not serious, are you ? Nothing (short of Bill
Gates being assassinated) is going to stop people from
buying Windows. I wish it was different...
> That might seem hard to believe, but their
> resistance means nothing against the Internet.
They are taking over the Internet, that's exactly the
problem. MS-CHAP is one example. PPTP is another one
(see below). Cable modem setups that only work with
Windows (custom, undocumented hardware with Windows
drivers) is another one. Just wake up and look at the
reality !
> PPTP is different because it is an end-to-end protocol. It
> gets moved from source to destination by the magic of RFCs.
> Are people still using PPTP? Even after all the holes that
> were picked out of it?
Looks like you have not been watching the development...
PPTP is (unfortunately) very much alive, and not just
for its intended purpose (cross-connecting PPP servers
at different POPs).
Last time I checked even Cisco agreed to implement it, and
AFAIK some of their routers now support it in addition to L2TP,
the official standard, and L2F, Cisco's own protocol.
PPTP is actually gaining quite a following, since ISPs
found out that it may be easier to set up ADSL or cable
modem setups with VPNs using PPTP tunnelling (simplifies
IP address maintenance and, together with IPsec in tunnels,
the security issues). Of course that requires PPTP support
at the customer (in Win/98), something most other operating
systems don't have.
Yet another example of the client side driving the
server side. And, for the record, no, I don't approve
of the (ab)use of PPTP in this context at all, but it
is a reality we have to deal with. Encapsulating
high-speed ADSL traffic within PPP and then tunneling
it to a central server seems like a really sick idea
to me -- maybe yet another ploy to require users to
upgrade to faster CPUs.
> I wouldn't doubt that. But DHCP isn't a Microsoft extensions
> to BootP like the original assertion said.
The whole protocol is not, parts of it are, ok. I should
have worded it differently...
> [MS-CHAP implementation]
> Not everybody - not by a long way.
At the client side it is very simple: if you don't support
it then your users won't be able to log in to a large
number of ISPs world-wide. That is the reality, regardless
of what IETF and IETF-PPPEXT say about it -- sadly.
> Good old Bill Gates, promises something he doesn't have and
> denies the existence of something that's already there.
> Business as usual.
Sure, and I wish he had less success with that.
> So which particular part is the problem? Distributed
> development? Or GPL?
Both.
> >No, what IMHO will make Linux weaker is the transformation of
> >the Internet in the next 3-5 years.
> Transformation in what way?
See above. To new protocols. Audio/video is not always
going to run across today's standard unicast IPv4 network.
> Yes I know, but the original FUD (which has been snipped)
> was how are amateurs going to afford to travel to meetings
> and to go to places to test stuff. This is the age of
> communication, you don't need to go anywhere to communicate.
You do need to go places to test interoperability of
network protocols. That's my point. Not everything works
across the Internet or through tunnels.
> Did you imagine that Linus Torvalds turns up somewhere with
> a magnetic tape grasped in hand, saying "Here's the new
> version of Linux for you to test."? In the 70s maybe - but
> we're a long way from there now.
No, but Cisco goes to meetings with a truck full of routers
and connects them to other machines. Same for high-bandwidth
protocol testing.
> It's all right to contradict me, but when you contradict
> yourself, you end up looking silly.
*grin*. You are intentionally trying to misinterpret me,
or actually, interpret me differently at different times.
Fine with me, I know what I mean and what I am saying :).
--
Holger Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.nordicglobal.com
NO COMMERCIAL SOLICITATION !
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: would linux run on a partition NTFS from NT4 with sp5
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:24:23 -0500
andy wrote:
>
> Hi !
> Sorry to ask that kind of question but I would like to use Linux on my
> machine but before to buy red hat I would like to know if it would work with
> my configuration, I have a NT4 workstation with 320 ram and dual p2 300 mgz.
> and the all is install on ntfs partition.
> thanks a lot to help.
> regard, Andy
Along with the other good advice you are getting, let me add
the following. I've installed NT and Linux on several machines.
I don't think the fact that it is dual boot should make any
difference. Just get a Linux distribution such as RedHat 6.0
and study the documentation. If you want to install Linux
on the same disk, you will have to repartition the disk. There
is a standard tool called fips for nondestructively reducing
the size of a partition, but this almost certainly won't work
with an NTFS file system. Probably the easiest way to reduce
the size of your NT partition would be to use Partition Magic,
a commercial product, which I think can do it. (Otherwise you
would have to try to reinstall NT, not something I would advise.)
There is one problem with NT + Linux. Linux uses a boot loader
called lilo. If one uses the default choice for putting this
in the master boot record, there is a good chance it will
make NT unbootable. (This can probably be fixed from the
NT boot floppy/CD by using fdisk /mbr.) There are several
solutions to this dilemma. One is to use the NT boot loader
to boot Linux. So you would choose to put lilo elsewhere
during the linux installation so as not to mess up NT. Then
you could boot Linux using the boot floppy created during the
installation. The instructions for doing this are on the CD
in doc/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-loader which is a text file you
should be able to read from NT.
But if you decide to get Partition Magic to repartition the
disk, you can probably simply install the Boot Magic Loader that
comes with it to boot both NT and Linux.
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Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:27:59 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 19 Jul 1999 05:57:10 GMT...
..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> > It was the 18 Jul 1999 13:39:35 GMT...
> > ..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Harumph. The natural world *does* run on competition, rather
> >> than on cooperation: competition for food and living space,
> >> both inter and intra species.
> >> When left alone, nature weeds out the weaker, and the stronger
> >> get to procreate.
> >
> > Men are not animals.
> Humans most definitely *are* animals. Thinking that we're
> somehow special WRT the rest of wht lives on this planet
> is a dangerous form of hubris.
Nonsense. No matter how you argue, you won't get around the fact that
humans are capable of reasoned and abstract thought and that animals
don't.
> > Nature doing something in a certain way does not
> > imply that mankind should do it the same way; often it implies that
> > one should indeed do it the opposite way.
> If you want to see it like that (and I didn't advance any
> form of this reasoning), then you're wrong. What we do
> is "nature". We're as much part of nature as anything else.
> Don't let 2000 years of judeo-christiansm cloud your thinking.
I'm not religious, and the influence of judeo-christianism on me is
pretty much zilch. Nevertheless, the fact remains that every human
culture so far has developed a philosophy that emphasises cooperation,
as opposed to the competition that is prevalent in nature. Social
darwinist theories like anarcho-capitalism, libertarianism and such
are thus essentially barbarian.
>
> >> Anybody basing their concept of society on the false
> >> assumption that humans are by nature cooperative is
> >> living in cloud-cuckoo land.
> >
> > A concept on society should never be based on any assumptions about
> > human nature, but rather be flexible so as to adapt to all the
> > surprising quirks human nature can show.
> And how is that "not based on human nature"?
Of course that is based on human nature. You obviously misparsed me.
We should base our systems on human nature, not on false and
overgeneralising assumptions about human nature. Got me?
mawa
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When you look at yourself in an aberrational mirror, you see your real
self, looking back at the twisted you.
-- Dr. (?) Bob Miller, "The Aberrational View of the Universe",
Twisted Science, Heat, National Public Radio
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