Linux-Misc Digest #114, Volume #21 Wed, 21 Jul 99 20:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: File systems (Neal Murphy)
Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"?? (Paul Anderson)
Re: CIA assassinations (Steve Mading)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: ARP / Proxy Arp - mapping IP to MAC ("Cliff")
SCSI Tape setup under RH 4.2 (Biltmore) (Christopher Suleske)
File System Viewer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Tracing Netscape crash in Java startup (Tim McNerney)
Configuring a satellite modem ("Allix")
File System Viewer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Permissions - why can a user delete a file not his own? ("Sardia")
top hangs when telnetting in (Matthew W. Roberts)
LDAP client with nice GUI ? (Bart Symons)
Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks (Ophiuchos)
Re: f00f_bug , core bomb and Esound error (H.Bruijn)
Re: Finally Done it! (John C. Peterson)
Re: How to change the time? ("Derek R. Dreyer")
Re: File systems (irfon)
Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux? (root)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Matthew Baldwin)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Strange reboot... (Chris Mahmood)
Re: Shortcomings of Linux? (Chris Lee)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick ("Chad Mulligan")
Re: LDAP client with nice GUI ? (Bruce Stephens)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neal Murphy)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.misc
Subject: Re: File systems
Date: 21 Jul 1999 21:19:55 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:17:28 +0100, JP Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>BFS is often described as a Journaling filesystem, but no-one has ever
>explained what this means, and what advantages it would offer.
>
A journalled filesystem is one that makes an on-disk record of what it is
going to do to the on-disk filesystem before it does it. Thus, if the
system should crash during one of these 'transactions', the system can
roll back the changes upon reboot. And if the system doesn't crash, it
simply deletes the transaction and prepares for the next. In either
case, when the system reboots, it either needs to do nothing to fix the
filesystem, or walk the active transaction log backwards and undo the
logged changes to the FS, both of which are *far* faster than fsck and
scandisk.
I suppose that, conceptually, a journalled filesystem is somewhat similar
to an RDBMS using transactions: if a transaction fails, the RDBMS has
a record of all that was done during the transaction so that it can be
un-done and the DB's integrity can be maintained.
The point of transactions and journalled filesystems is not to lose no data
ever; the point is more to maintain the consistency and integrity of the DB
or filesystem.
Granted, this is an overly simplistic description, but I trust it conveys
the idea. For a better explanation, read any modern, decent filesystems
textbook.
Fest3er
--
The lack of basic computing knowledge amoung our management is staggering.
H. L. Garvey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce "LINUX"??
Date: 21 Jul 1999 02:29:17 -0400
Carlos Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Ditto. Maybe a dumb question, but English is not my mother language,
>so I'm curious about this.
>
Pronounce it however you wish to pronounce it, to specify a single
pronunciation as right and all others as wrong would be like saying that vi is
The One True Editor(tm), and all others would only be used by idiots. Linux
is about choice.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 21 Jul 1999 21:54:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:44:37 +0600, Holy Cow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>> It's the Marxist-Leninists' fault to think one can run a whole society
:>> on socialism as well as it is the Libertarians' fault that one can run
:>> the works on capitalism.
:>A very good point.
: I don't think so. Nearly all miseries in the world have been caused
: in that or another way by government (know any privately founded
: concentration camp or mass use of guilotine?). Pure capitalism is
: what makes possible to achieve the best _possible_ at all in society.
: Anything less is suboptimal (again, that optimum is not perfect, it is
: lousy at times).
Counterexample: Microsoft.
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:28:14 +0200
Still don't understand what this has to do with Linux or any other OS or NOS.
Donovan Rebbechi schreef:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:06:38 +0200, A.T.Z. wrote:
>
> >I work >90hours a week. Don't want to pay for someone who only wants to get
> >money from social security.
>
> I think you are failing to distinguish between "unemployed" and "willfully
> unemployed"
Think I'm not.
> >if they don't succeed. There is nothing to gain with redistribution.
>
> Without some form of redistribution, you won't have a public
> education or health system, and the poor people will have no
> opportunities to advance.
Without some form .. I can get along with some form.
> >> I think redistribution is good preventative medicine. It solves a lot of
> >> problems. However, you can take a horse to water, but ...
> >
> >Yeah, learn the horse how to get water.
>
> Which costs money which these horses don't have. Which involves some kind
> of redistribution. I am not advocating "Robin Hood" politics, but rather
> policies that create opportunities for everyone. Even this requires a tax
> system and the tax system ultimately redistributes wealth regardless of
> how you try to slice it.
Redistribution smells like communism (read the original posting from Arkadiusz
Danilecki) .pl = Poland in the past they were communists (some or a lot are
still communist). Redistribution of income means something else for a communist
then for a capitalist.
When you say some form, it doesn't smell like communism. But isn't that exactly
what is happening, social security provides income for people who can't work for
whatever the reason might be. When they want to do something to fight this
situation, then I think the community (governement via tax) must do something to
help. All kinds of projects do.
The ones who don't fight to make a better life, do we really want to pay for
them?? If so, who is the "loser".
> --
> Donovan
Bye,
B.
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From: "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: ARP / Proxy Arp - mapping IP to MAC
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:14:18 GMT
You'll have to script it. Try adding a line in your rc.local that uses
the arp command to hardwire the MAC. Here's the arp command syntax (from RH
5.2 man page):
arp [-v] [-H type] [-i if] -s hostname hw_addr [netmask nm] pub
--
-Cliff
Views expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer
Concordia Net, Inc. When replying via email please use; cwheat at concordia
dot net not
root@localhost
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <7n33t3$cta$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> I want to "hard code" the MAC address into my Linux system, to avoid the
ARP
>problem.
>
[snip]
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From: Christopher Suleske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: SCSI Tape setup under RH 4.2 (Biltmore)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:33:15 -0400
Wow, here's one for you:
I have added a SCSI tape drive (DDS3 device) to a system and wish to
make a system backup before going to 6.0. During boot, I see the unit
verified during SCSI bus initialization, but linux doesn't detect it as
/dev/st0.
How can I make the device for this unit?
TIA; reply by email if you can.
<C>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: File System Viewer
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:53:06 GMT
Hi,
I'm trying to reconstruct the actions of an intruder to my filesystem.
Is there a program that I could use to reconstruct, file by file, what
the intruder was doing?
Much thanks,
Jon
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Tim McNerney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Tracing Netscape crash in Java startup
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:38:10 -0700
I'm running a pretty stock Redhat 6.0 system. Netscape 4.61 is crashing
on me when it tries to start Java.
Is this a known problem? Is there a known solution? Is there any utility
similar to truss which works on Linux?
--Tim
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From: "Allix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Configuring a satellite modem
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:16:50 -0400
I just got the Express Vu satellite service and they say in march they will
be introducing internet access through their satellite. Has anyone
configured, either a cable modem or satellite modem , (or any high speed
internet access) on a linux box ? Please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
any help would be greatly appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: File System Viewer
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:53:24 GMT
Hi,
I'm trying to reconstruct the actions of an intruder to my filesystem.
Is there a program that I could use to reconstruct, file by file, what
the intruder was doing?
Much thanks,
Jon
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Sardia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.slackware,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Permissions - why can a user delete a file not his own?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:21:00 +0200
>if you try to do something futile, like setting the "s" bit on a
>directory, but even that's a matter of opinion. Someone might have a
>program with a legitimate need for this.
yeah, "s"ticky bit?
;-)
Sardia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew W. Roberts)
Subject: top hangs when telnetting in
Date: 21 Jul 1999 17:37:55 -0500
When I telnet in to my Debian Linux system I am getting some
strange behavior. When I run top, the first line or two show
up and then the program seems to hang. Keyboard imputs do
nothing ('q' doesn't work).
I can still telnet in with another connection and kill the dead
top, but the screen does not clear up and I get no response from
the system. Ctrl-] will break the telnet session, bringing me
back to the local host.
I've also noticed the same type of behavior with other commands.
'ls' will hang in certain directories (for instance /usr/sbin/ )
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Matt
--
================================================================
Matthew Roberts http://matt.tamu.edu
Texas A&M University [EMAIL PROTECTED]
================================================================
What's another word for "thesaurus"?
-- Steven Wright
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From: Bart Symons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LDAP client with nice GUI ?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:40:53 +0200
Is there a simple/GUI-enabled LDAP client?
I installed the OpenLDAP v1.2.0 that is included with SuSE 6.1 but I
encountered 2 problems (I'm new to LDAP):
1. The package contains some client apps, a.o. LDAPTCL. As the name
suggests, this LDAP client is written in Tcl. When I try to compile (aka
install) this tool, the ./configure script complains that I don't have
Tcl installed. This is weird since I installed both Tcl 7.6 and 8.0 and
also Tcltk. Even with "--prefix" pointing towards the respective
directories, the problem remains.
2. Since I use KDE I also tried kldap. However, this tool doesn't find
the LDAP service (on localhost with the default TCP port set to 389).
3. The man pages of OpenLDAP refer to an "administrators guide" for
slapd and slurpd. However, I can't find this manual anywhere (and I also
tried the OpenLDAP web site, of course).
So,
- does anybody know of a good LDAP client application ?
- where can I find a 'getting started quickly" or "LDAP for dummies"
sort of documentation ?
- any other suggestions for someone wanting to experiment with LDAP ?
Thanks.
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From: Ophiuchos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: editorial: Stupid Linux Tricks
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:03:56 -0400
For a few years there remained a diehard underground of CPM users (I was
one), running old Z80s and 8080s. As I recall, dBase was available for
both systems. Better quit while I'm ahead. I don't want to wax nostalgic
about switching floppies like crazy looking for the "type" command.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: f00f_bug , core bomb and Esound error
Date: 21 Jul 1999 22:22:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:05:01 GMT, JM allegedly wrote:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I installed RH Linux 6.0 on my PC (Thinkpad i series 1451 with PI
>> 300Mhz). Would anybody please let me know the following?
>>
>> 1. I clicked on the left foot icon on the bottom menu bar.
>> Then, I chose utility -> system info -> detailed info.
>> I found "f00f_bug yes". What is this? Do I have to worry
>> about it?
that's a "feature" in intel pentium chips, either when software sends a
signal to that register the computer crashes, or another nasty thing
happens.
cat /proc/cpuinfo show's more of those.
>
>> 2. Whenever I logon to Linux, the GNOME window comes out.
>> I mean the one which looks like Window 95/98 with files
>> represented by icons. I found that there is a yellow bomb
>> titled "core". The bomb has eyes. What is this? I reinstalled
>> Linux several times and this thing keep appearing. Do I have
>> to worry about it? How to prevent this from happening?
>>
>
>Login as root and add a line to /etc/profile
>which says 'ulimit -c 0' if you do not need core files created for any
>user.
<more sound advice on ulimit>
core get's dumped when a programme crashes (compare with the blue
screen). A debugger can then be used to determine why the programme
crashed. ("gdb -c core" IIRC)
The core is the combination of the binary, and the memory it used when
running.
Probably some doesn't get shutdown properly when you exit, and get's killed
in an unfriendly manner, and that's what causes the core dumps.
--
Herman
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------
If a trainstation is place where trains stop, what is workstation?
=====================================================================
Herman Bruijn hbruijn dix.Mines.EDU
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John C. Peterson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Finally Done it!
Date: 21 Jul 1999 23:10:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Kal,
> Great job! I remember that same milestone. In fact, I just helped
>convert our MCSE guy over to Linux. Now, whenever I walk past his
>computer he has his Linux box up and running rather than PCAnywhere for
>his NT box. Cool.
>[...]
> I also have never really gotten Real Audio to work. It worked awhile
>back but it's still in development.
>>
>> Also, I tried installing Real Player 5.0, but was unsuccessful when I
>> attempted to run it. I keep getting an errno1, and sometimes a
>> Segmentation fault! Does anyone know how to get around this??
>>
It sounds like you are running Red Hat 6.0 or a similar distribution
that uses the same version of libc. The Real Player 5 available from Real
Networks works fine on most Linux distributions, but does NOT work under
RH 6.0. However, the alpha release of their G2 player (not advertised
very widely for some reason?) is available in a version specifically for
RH 6.0 and mostly works (some of the video codecs crash the player on
my system, but I use it mainly for audio, so no biggie). Get it at;
http://www.real.com/products/player/linux.html
BTW, when you convert users from Windoze to Linux, be sure to turn
them on to XBill, one of the best computer games out there. Very relaxing
and fun to play...
Regards, John
--
___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel x86, because
-(*)- | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | a PC is a terrible thing to waste!
o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info
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From: "Derek R. Dreyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to change the time?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:38:07 -0400
> > 2/ How to change the time? I have the time correct in Win98 & NT but not
> > in Linux
I had big problems with this which no one knew quite how to fix. If running
/sbin/clock after setting the date doesn't work, try looking in
/etc/sysconfig/clock or something like that (try "locate clock" if that
doesn't work) and seeing if GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) is set to yes or no. If
you have the same setup I did, there are two lines in that file. Flip the yes
and no settings on both variables and see if that works. I think if the GMT
variable is set to yes, it'll think your BIOS time is in fact the GMT and not
the local time, so you want it to be no. I figured out how to do all this by
reading the very helpful Clock Mini-Howto so go there if what I said doesn't
work.
Derek
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (irfon)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.misc
Subject: Re: File systems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:40:04 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:17:28 +0100, JP Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BFS is often described as a Journaling filesystem, but no-one has ever
>explained what this means, and what advantages it would offer.
If I recall, it's actually explained many times in the Be literature and
in the BeOS Bible (as I'm sure it is also explained in great detail in
the Be filesystem book). There are about three pages explaining what
Journaling means in the BeOS Bible, so I won't transcribe it all here.
However, as I understand it, the "Cliffs Notes" version of the idea is
that the system keep a realtime "journal" of all of the activity going
in such a way that if you suffer a sudden power outage or whatever, all
of this information is read back from the journal at the next restart
and thus you don't lose data or compromise file integrity.
---
Irfon-Kim Ahmad
http://members.home.com/irfon/ahmadi/
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Did you switch from Windows to Linux?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:29:52 +0100
Dennis wrote:
>
> Brad Grimes wrote:
> >
> > If so, I'm writing a magazine article about operating systems and I'd like
> > to hear from you. Drop me a line at:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Thanks
>
> It would be good if people responding to this request would also explain
> how they use Linux. For example, a web server for your company, general
> purpose office use, etc. Also, it would be even better if you could
> mention the applications you use most.
>
> Dennis,
I switched about 9 months ago when I got Red Hat 5.1 on a free cover CD
( I had read a bit about UNIX but did not know much about Linux )
It was the learning thing that drove me to try it and since then I
hardly use windows any more. Even my girlfriend has a Linux account now
;-)
I started to design web sites and Apache was a good way to test them out
and learn more about the workings of the internet, CGI, etc.
Now I find I spend less time thinking about hardware eg. - getting more
memory, a faster CPU, a bigger hard drive and stuff like that and
instead now have a system that I have got working the way I want it to -
Example at night it connects to the internet, downloads our mail and all
new postings of the newsgroups I like.
Just about everything I needed was on one CD ( when you have got it all
set up ) and Instead of finding some huge program to do a small job you
can write a small shell script to do exactly the job you want.
any day now /dev/sda1 will be ext2 :-)
--
#!/bin/sh
unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; gasp ; yes ; more ; umount ;
sleep
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: Matthew Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:29:29 GMT
On 16 Jul 1999, Xcott Craver wrote:
> William Edward Woody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Compared to what? SGI workstations? You certainly can't
> >be comparing Apple hardware to the PC world, as the designs
> >there are still stuck in the early 80's.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I see. Just point me to where I can buy a four-processor
> MacIntosh, and I'll throw away this early-80's junk.
>
>
www.apple.com
Sincerely,
Matthew Baldwin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:33:34 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:24:00 GMT...
..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:31 GMT...
> >..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> If, on the other hand, you are using "animals" as a shorthand for "animals
> >> which have no trace of reasonable thinking, ideals, and cooperation", you
> >> will have to exclude several other species from the list as well, but it
> >> seems fairly clear to me that elephants aren't "human".
>
> >I have never claimed that there is a broad, insurmountable canyon between
> >animals and humans. There can't be, since of course we are a product
> >of animal evolution.
>
> But I'm not sure there's any definition other than speciation that even allows
> us to conclusively separate ourselves out - except, of course, "us vs. them".
Show me an animal that is intelligent, creative, literate and capable
of abstract thought. Then I'll agree with you.
> >> He never said "not human". We can be both.
>
> >Then what is the problem if he accepts that we are different from
> >animals?
>
> But we aren't "different from animals". We are a subset. We still have
> the traditional traits of animals.
I have some traits of my father, but nevertheless I am not my father.
Neither am I a subset of my father.
> >Why do you all shy away from a frontal assault and keep on arguing
> >about stupid little definition problems? Man is in so many various
> >ways different from other animals that he's not animal anymore. What's
> >the point?
>
> I believe that to be a misunderstanding of our place in the world; when you
> start saying "we're not animals", you tend to start ignoring or
> misunderstanding characteristics we've had as a species for some time.
>
> It is important to understand how we got to be where we are, and what some
> of the roots of our nature are, if we are to make useful progress
> understanding ourselves.
Man is not an animal. That's a simple opinion. It's by no means
connected to the ignorance and arrogance you talk about.
mawa
--
When I went to the theatre, recently, I saw a woman who wore nothing
but a transparent catsuit over a black bodice that was cut out down to
the navel. I don't know whether she felt naked. She sure looked naked.
-- mawa
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Strange reboot...
Date: 21 Jul 1999 13:56:20 -0700
that is odd...could the UPS be buggy?
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shortcomings of Linux?
Date: 21 Jul 1999 23:52:29 GMT
In article <7n46iq$cjj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>In comp.sys.amiga.misc Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And I get my information from the people who *ACTUALLY CONNECT TO ISPs*
in
>> the *REAL WORLD*
>
>Apparently from few people only though, if you have never talked
>to the thousands of users who need to use MS-CHAP, yes, in the
>real world, obviously.
>
>Frankly, this is getting ridiculuos. Obviously you don't KNOW
>that MS-CHAP is a problem. Fine, so you have been lucky enough
>to never run across it. That does not mean that the problem
>does not exist. It DOES exist, as thousands of users can testify.
>Denying a problem just because you have been lucky enough to
>never encounter it is just a sign of arrogance.
It isn't me dude. A hell of a lot of people in the newsgroups I mentioned
are using pppd on linux and other OS's to connect to NT 4.0 servers using
PAP and not MS-CHAP. This blows your stupid comment that everybody is using
MS-CHAP out of the water.
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:53:20 -0700
Peter Seebach wrote in message ...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Yes. But it is not *all* we do. Listen, this discussion seems to have
>>reached a standstill. You know the story of the optimist saying that
>>the glass is half full while the pessimist says that it's half empty?
>
>And the engineer says "this glass is twice as big as it needs to be".
>
And the project manager says it's more scalable.
>>I say that as long as there is a trace of reasonable thinking, of
>>ideals and cooperation, we are human, and not animals.
>
>"I say that as long as there is a cute fuzzy tail, we are talking about
> rabbits, not animals."
>
>If, on the other hand, you are using "animals" as a shorthand for "animals
>which have no trace of reasonable thinking, ideals, and cooperation", you
>will have to exclude several other species from the list as well, but it
>seems fairly clear to me that elephants aren't "human".
>
>>You, on the other hand, claim that as long as there is a trace of
>>instincts and animal nature left, we are animals, and not human.
>
>He never said "not human". We can be both.
>
>>If you think so... Nevertheless, it was something animals would *not*
>>have been capable of. As cynical as it may sound, this, too, is *human
>>nature* and not *animal nature*. Of course it's the dark side of human
>>nature. But it is not animal behaviour. Animals do not commit
>>genocide or coldly plan systems of oppression and destruction.
>
>Actually, they do. At least, they have wars in which they try to wipe out
>completely competing tribes. Mostly primates, sure, but...
>
>I think you're way too attached to the idea that variance within a group
>doesn't happen, and there can't be animals which are in various ways
>different from other animals.
>
>-s
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From: Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LDAP client with nice GUI ?
Date: 22 Jul 1999 00:13:25 +0100
Bart Symons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is there a simple/GUI-enabled LDAP client?
For a quick test, you could use Netscape. Try an LDAP URL: something
like "ldap://localhost:389/". I forget the syntax for encoding DNs,
but an LDAP server ought to have a root DSE (or whatever LDAP calls
it).
> I installed the OpenLDAP v1.2.0 that is included with SuSE 6.1 but I
> encountered 2 problems (I'm new to LDAP):
> 1. The package contains some client apps, a.o. LDAPTCL. As the name
> suggests, this LDAP client is written in Tcl. When I try to compile
> (aka install) this tool, the ./configure script complains that I
> don't have Tcl installed. This is weird since I installed both Tcl
> 7.6 and 8.0 and also Tcltk. Even with "--prefix" pointing towards
> the respective directories, the problem remains.
Why is this? What does config.log say? Is it just that you haven't
installed the Tcl/Tk devel packages? (i.e., that the headers are
missing)?
> 2. Since I use KDE I also tried kldap. However, this tool doesn't
> find the LDAP service (on localhost with the default TCP port set to
> 389).
That suggests it's not running.
> 3. The man pages of OpenLDAP refer to an "administrators guide" for
> slapd and slurpd. However, I can't find this manual anywhere (and I
> also tried the OpenLDAP web site, of course).
Don't know.
> So,
>
> - does anybody know of a good LDAP client application ?
There's Java stuff for this. Try a search on Sun's web site. Or just
the standard <URL:http://freshmeat.net/>.
> - where can I find a 'getting started quickly" or "LDAP for dummies"
> sort of documentation ?
Erm, the RFCs?
> - any other suggestions for someone wanting to experiment with LDAP ?
Not really, except that anything you can find about X.500 is probably
helpful, for example, David Chadwick's book, online here
<URL:http://www.salford.ac.uk/its024/X500.htm>. Some X.500 stuff
isn't directly relevant (for example, the ridiculously baroque access
controls in X.500), but most of it is. (Even some of the stuff about
DSP and DISP is sort of relevant, in that LDAP seems to be growing in
those directions itself too, with LDUP and things.)
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