Linux-Misc Digest #216, Volume #21 Thu, 29 Jul 99 22:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I think of linux. (Christopher Browne)
Re: cdrecord don't records cd's !!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How can I resize my Linux-partition? (Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ved=F8y?=)
vmlinux vs vmlinuz (Leonard Evens)
Re: Magic SysRq (was Re: Linux has finally crashed) (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Reading News Offline (Christopher Browne)
Re: netscape (Stoney)
Re: Newbie needs help w/ RH 6.0 (David M. Cook)
Re: SuSE kernel....where is it?.... (Philipp Pagel)
Re: IRC server for Linux (Ben Short)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Christopher Browne)
Re: CIA assassinations ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries (Kaz Kylheku)
ownership of mountpoint ("Brian D. Jones")
PAM Question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ownership of mountpoint (Gerald Willmann)
Re: CIA assassinations (Phillip Lord)
Re: Interesting PPP Problem!! ("Wajdi H. Al-Jedaibi")
Re: What I think of linux. ("Brent Davies")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:05:21 GMT
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:27:04 GMT, Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I'm not sure that it can't become mainstream!
>
>I think people are interested and turned on by challenges.
>We are all heading down the road to "star trek evolution".
Star Trek was pretty groundbreaking in 1969. They couldn't handle the
idea of a female captain, at the time, which changed Roddenberry's
original plans.
But Star Trek since grew into a virtually worshipped phenomenon, which
is actually quite hilarious. Roddenberry was pretty clearly
atheistic, but the behaviour in the ST community more closely
resembles the worship of deities than it does anything else.
Are we going to evolve away from traditional religions into the
worship of The Kirk, The Picard, The Riker, The Emissary, and Seven of
Nine? (I nearly died laughing when she was added in. I can just
imagine the meetings at Paramount: "Ratings are *bad.* We're not
getting enough viewers. Let's take out the ugly chick, and replace
her with a Borg Babe with Big Breasts." Boy, that's a lot of "B's."
That casting change made a pretty clear statement about what they
consider to be the target demographics...)
Are we headed to "Star Trek economics"? That would be defined as a
fantasy world where they pretend that human nature will change in the
area of economics, eliminating the notion of "greed," whilst
simultaneously pretending that human nature has not changed in all
other areas.
Or is it more likely that "replication" technologies will look rather
more like the way computer software works, where some constructs are
cheap, and others expensive, merely providing some minor ``twists'' on
economics, rather than a Completely New World?
I'd suggest the latter...
>My redneck friends at work in 1992 used to laugh at me when I would
>tell them about the future and the fact that they would own a
>computer one day. Some were violent about it.
Which shows that you made the mistake of pressing the issue.
*Pick* your fights. It wasn't particularly important to convince them
of the future you predicted; other things could have better occupied
your time.
--
"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which
differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are
even incapable of forming such opinions." (Albert Einstein)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/freeecon.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: cdrecord don't records cd's !!!
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:44:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sergio MG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The error occurs in the operation of fix the CD and the output of
: cdrecord, at this point, is:
: -------------------------------------
: Fixating...
: cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd:
: retryable error
: CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
: status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
: Sense Bytes: 70 00 06 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 29 00 00 00
: Sense Key: 0x6 Unit Attention, Segment 0
: Sense Code: 0x29 Qual 0x00 (power on, reset, or bus device reset
: occurred) Fru 0x0
: Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
: cmd finished after 19.518s timeout 480s
: Fixating time: 33.657s
: ------------------------------------
: Problems in the SCSI bus ??? The machine has a Adaptec AIC-7890/1 Ultra2
: SCSI,
: and with the CDW it supports another CD and the HD with the
: filesystem....
: some idea ? some option of cdrecord that my blind mind don't see ?
: someone
: needs a lot of pretty coasters that looks like a CD (is the fashion)...
I have the exactly same problem. But ...
The CDR's are perfectly usable!!!
Did you try them?
BTW. I'm using an Mitsumi CR-4802TE IDE drive with SCSI emulation.
Regards,
Friedhelm
--
Microsoft is NOT the answer. Microsoft is the Question.
The answer is: "NO!"
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Friedhelm Mehnert, Berliner Allee 42, 22850 Norderstedt, Germany
phone + fax: +49-40-5236562 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ved=F8y?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How can I resize my Linux-partition?
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:02:49 +0200
Arik Funke wrote:
>
> I'd like to resize my Linux-partition!
> How can I do this?
>
> Thanks
> Arik Funke
Use Partition magic.
Make sure that your boot image is not on the drive you resize, otherwise
lilo will run into trouble. Alternatively get a bootdisk that will let
you update your lilo to point to the new physical location of the
kernel.
Daniel Ved�y
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.kernel.general,redhat.general
Subject: vmlinux vs vmlinuz
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:17:35 -0500
After upgrading to RH6.0, we find we have a vmlinuz-... of about
650K and a vmlinux-... of about 1.5 M. Also, when we upgraded
the kernel using the upgrade rpm package, we again got two
such kernels. rpm -qlp on the .rpm file shows both files.
Our conjecture is that vmlinux is the uncompressed kernel.
But what is it there for? I tried making it an option in lilo,
but lilo complained that it was too big.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Magic SysRq (was Re: Linux has finally crashed)
Date: 29 Jul 1999 20:01:57 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip W. Darnowsky) writes:
> What exactly does the Magic SysRq do? I remember looking at the option
> when I last configured my kernel, and thinking that someone had actually
> found a use for the SysRq key, but I didn't actually compile it in.
>
> And in general, does anyone have a URL for a history of the SysRq key?
no URL for it, but linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt explains it in fair
detail. basically, it's a series of hot-key combos, caught directly by the
kernel, for performing a few emergency actions - things like flushing the
disks, remounting them read-only, or rebooting.
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.5 i586 | at public servers
Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.
-- Robert Orben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Reading News Offline
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:06:05 GMT
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:08:45 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <A8Nn3.59462$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Those that like slrn, GNUS, MH, ... may reasonably use slrnpull to
>> manage the news spool;
>
>Mmmm... how does slrnpull store things? Is it documented somewhere?
>I *might* write a converter program for KRN's own internal cache
>format if enough people asks for it.
>
>It shouldn't be terribly hard since KRN's storage is quite simple.
It looks like it is a format interoperable with a bog-standard CNEWS
news spool.
--
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons". -- POPULAR
MECHANICS magazine forecasting the "relentless march of science" 1955
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Stoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: netscape
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:55:54 -0400
>
> Or just go to http://wwp.mirabilis.com/10818276 - which crashes my netscape every
> time until i switched off the java (not javascript) part of netscape. After that I
> dont get the sudden closure of netscape. Any idea of how to fix this ?
>
> It is the same problem since Net. Communicator Rel. 4.51 - Im currently up to date
> with the 4.61
>
> Best regards
> Jesper K. Pedersen
Hey, Jesper,
It didn't crash for me with NS 4.61 with Java and Javascript enabled.
The java
app, however, slowed my 400 mhz machine to a crawl until I clicked out
to your
homepage. Maybe it's bad coffee?
Stoney
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Newbie needs help w/ RH 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:28:29 GMT
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:49:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Can anyone tell me how I can tell what products were installed in the
>default install and where?
You can browse installed packages with gnorpm.
>Also how do I add apps off of the apps CD?
You can browse the CDROM with the file manager and install RPMs by right
clicking and choosing install.
See chapter 9 of the Installation Guide for the command line method. The
Getting Started guide explains how to get an icon for the cdrom on your
desktop.
Dave Cook
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From: Philipp Pagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE kernel....where is it?....
Date: 30 Jul 1999 00:29:48 GMT
> i've got the cut down version of SuSE 6.0 installed, it dont have the ppp
> built in for some reason but i cant find the kernal to rebuild it or edit
> it,......make xconfig in /usr/src/linux dont work as the linux part dont
> exist.....help if you can....
Hi!
I'm not sure if I get your problem. Is it, that you don't have /usr/src/linux ?
If so: start yast and install the kernel sources. In the normal SuSE distribution this
is default anyway. But I have to admit, that I haven never seen the "cut down"
version. What is it - a free demo version given away on some computer fair?
cu
Philipp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Subject: Re: IRC server for Linux
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:35:24 +1000
In article <7nqat7$14j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Where can I get a good IRC server for Linux (RedHat 6.0).
>
>
> Thx
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
There are many different flavours of IRC Servers.
The most common one is Dreamforge, used by dalnet - download that from
ftp.dal.net
Another is ircu - used by Undernet - ftp.undernet.org
My Favourite is StarSpire, used by starchat, as they have infused both
the ircu and dalnet ircd features, and then added MANY features of their
own to produce the superior product ;) - download this at
utopia.starchat.net
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:05:57 GMT
Very odd... I'm seeing posts that I wrote *months* ago propagating
today. I'm quite sure it's not from my neck of the woods...
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:52:17 GMT, Reality is a point of view
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:36:50 GMT):
> | ObjectShare did a presentation at the January North Texas Linux Users
> | Group meeting, and left us with a few Zip disks with copies of the
> | "freely deployable" portions.
> +----
>
>As there seems to be some confusion let me quote from
>ObjectShare's recent announcement (on commercial VW, not VWNC).
...
>Note the use of "deployment licenses". It is my understanding
>that this is an issue under debate within ObjectShare, and
>dropping deployment licensing may occur. Hopefully a decision
>will be reached before a certain convention in early March . . .
When I used the phrase ``freely deployable'' I did *not* mean ``the
stuff that you can deploy, redeploy, and re^{n}deploy for free;" I was
intending the sense more like:
"The stuff we're willing to put out on our web site that people can
get at without any initial charge."
I wasn't implying further "freeness," which appears to be what you're
reading into it.
--
The people's revolutionary committee has decided that the name "e" is
retrogressive, unmulticious and reactionary, and has been flushed.
Please update your abbrevs.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/langst80.html>
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 30 Jul 1999 00:30:02 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>Although I'm a libertarian, I do agree with some of the critics on the
:>left (although not nearly so far left as Kulisz) at least insofar as
:>recognizing that the educational,
: You might check Milton Friedman on the issue of education.
I advocate the separation of school and state, which I believe he does
too.
:>criminal justice, financial, legal,
:>and entertainment systems serve, whether intentionally or not, to
:>perpetuate a surprisingly rigid class structure, one in which the
:>best-motivated can and do achieve, but in which there is a
:>semi-permanent "underclass" whose problems are overwhelming and from
:>which only the best-motivated and gifted individuals can escape.
: This is caused by market not being free enough.
. . . .
I agree. My criticism of the current status quo is not that it is too
free, but that it is not free enough, especially for those who are not
wealthy or well-connected.
The problem that I and other libertarians face is that it is difficult
to encourage people to pursue freedom, either for its own sake or for
the additional benefits that come as a side effect of being free, when
they have been indoctrinated to accept repression as both normal and
inevitable, and even beneficial. And most people, in most parts of
the world, are indoctrinated in such a fashion. I don't know how to
change this.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: windows dll vs. linux libraries
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:23:59 GMT
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:34:01 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As I understand it DCOM and CORBA are more IPC mechanisms, and not
>linking methodolgies.
In the case of DCOM, it is both. COM servers can be ``in process'' as well as
``out of process''. In the in-process case, they are packaged in a DLL that is
loaded into the process, so COM serves as a big wrapper around LoadLibrary().
COM specifices not only the IPC mechanisms for remoting (which are largely
ripped from DCE RPC) but also mechanisms for object and interface versioning
and for clients to locate servers and interfaces. It does have a solution
to the versioning problem by assigning a unique 128 bit ID to every object
and interface and by requiring that interfaces be etched in stone. (Of course
COM doesn't enforce any of this; you could break an interface and give it
the same UUID. Or remove an interface from an object, leaving clients which
rely on that object to have that interface up the proverbial creek.
But the mechanism is there for doing versioning. If an interface has to
change, you can continue to support the old one under the old ID, and
provide a new one that new clients can query for).
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From: "Brian D. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ownership of mountpoint
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:07:31 -0400
<HTML>
<TT>I'm using Samba (smbmount) to mount remote filesystems, but I have
to be root to mount (not just samba, but anything!). Is there a way
to either change ownership of a mountpoint once it is mounted, or to allow
non-root users to mount filesystems?</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>muchos gracias...</TT><TT></TT>
<P><TT>brian</TT></HTML>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PAM Question
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:52:28 GMT
I would like to be able to use upper and lower case letters in passwords
on my Linux server for my Win98 clients. Whenever I setup an account
using passwords with upper case letters, Linux will not allow the Win98
clients to login. If I change the password to use only lower case
letters then everything is fine. Do I need to change something in my
PAM config modules or is this a Win98 problem? I need to know where my
problem is so I can fix it. Any help would be appreciated.
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ownership of mountpoint
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:51:54 -0700
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Brian D. Jones wrote:
> I'm using Samba (smbmount) to mount remote filesystems, but I have to be
> root to mount (not just samba, but anything!). Is there a way to either
> change ownership of a mountpoint once it is mounted, or to allow non-root
> users to mount filesystems?
you can use the user option in fstab (cf. man fstab) but do you really
want to allow users to mount/umount. You can also change the permissions
of the mount point - do it once it's mounted.
> muchos gracias...
muchas you mean - de nada
Gerald
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 30 Jul 1999 02:12:41 +0100
>>>>> "TheDickFighter" == TheDickFighter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
TheDickFighter> Well, the company that I work for designed much of
TheDickFighter> the computer you are using. Are we controlling you?
Possibly. It depends what your company does with that.
Are they controlling you is perhaps more to the point.
>> Do you count universities as part of the education system? The US
>> has always sucked at producing scientists and researchers.
TheDickFighter> Is this why people from around the world come to
TheDickFighter> the US for higher education?
People from the US go all around the world for higher
education also. Added to which that some of the best universities in
the world are in the US doesnt mean that the university system in the
US is good. The best US uni's might be unrepresentative.
TheDickFighter> Is this why there are more high tech companies
TheDickFighter> here than anywhere else?
The US is one of the biggest countries in the world.
TheDickFighter> IS this why the US is the only country that landed
TheDickFighter> on the moon?
The US is the only country in the world that landed on the
moon because it was one of only two countries in the world insane
enough to think that such an exercise was important enough to spend 3%
of its GDP for 10 years on. What a price to pay for a presidential
penis extension. Its also worth pointing out that the only reason the
US did this, was because the USSR got their first with the first
satellite, the first dog, the first man, the first orbit, and the
first space station. Didnt do them any good either.
TheDickFighter> Is this why the US is a leader in medicine?
Again this is size. Europe has similiar size medical
industries, but none of the countries can match the US
individually. At least if you think that its the US which is the
leader, and not US based companies, which are two different things.
TheDickFighter> snip
>> The only solution is massive redistribution from the rich to the
>> poor,
TheDickFighter> That's funny, in another post you just sent out,
TheDickFighter> you indicated you do NOT share YOUR "wealth" with
TheDickFighter> the less fortunate. Are you saying your a
TheDickFighter> HYPOCRITE?
Dont be an arsehole. We all have to live in the world as it
is now, and not as we would want it to be. Personally I do give some
money (and more of my time) towards helping those less wealthy than I
am. But I have to keep a roof over my head and food in my
stomach. Declaring oneself a socialist doesnt mean you should live on
the street. This argument is even more inane that the anti-vegetarian
one I keep getting "bet you'd eat meat if you were starving". Course I
would. Compromise is part of live man, it dont necessarily mean that
you are a hypocrite.
Phil
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From: "Wajdi H. Al-Jedaibi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Interesting PPP Problem!!
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:48:51 -0400
it turned out that modem has a problem, tried another modem and worked fine!!
Thanks for the help abdullah!!
Wajdi
Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote:
> "Wajdi H. Al-Jedaibi" wrote:
> >
> > I am running RedHat 6.0 on my workstation and Redhat 5.2 on my laptop,
> > for some reason I am unable to establish ppp connection from my
> > workstation, although I am using exactly the same chatscript I connect
> > with from my laptop. Here are the files that I copied to from laptop to
> > the workstation:
> > /etc/resolv.conf
> > /etc/hosts
> > /etc/ppp/chatscript
> > /etc/ppp/options
> > /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
> >
> > when debugging pppd, I get the following:
> >
> > ....expect CONNECT
> > ....^M
> > ....alarm
> ^^^^^
> > .....connection failed
> >
> > Changing the time-out for chat with -t option did not work also!!
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
> > Wajdi.
>
> Salaam Wajdi,
>
> AFAIK "alarm" means time-out. So your modem can't "CONNECT" to remote
> site in the first place. (Or it connects, but somehow fails to feedback)
> Do you have the same modem at both machines? Because different modems
> usually need different commands for special tasks. However, if you use
> basic commands, any Hayes compatible (AT) modem should work. One usually
> needs only "ATZ" for modem init, and "ATDT?????????" for dialling out.
> Do you have any fancy commands besides that?
>
> Another thought: I would recommend installing KDE and all associated
> utilities (even if you don't intend to use them) on RH6.0 and use kppp
> as your ISP connection tool. You don't need to make a bit of setup at
> system to use kppp. It does all setup dynamically on the fly when you
> connect, and reverts back when you disconnect. It has its own setup
> utility.
> If you decide to use kppp, observe the following please:
>
> i) /etc/ppp/options file must exist, and must be empty.
> ii) chmod u+s /usr/bin/kppp /usr/sbin/pppd
>
> Hope this helps,
> --
> Abdullah Ramazanoglu ( aramazanoglu AT demirbank DOT com DOT tr )
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From: "Brent Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:04:57 GMT
Robert V. Grizzard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7no5bk$hkn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> [snip]
>
> >As the second poster said, Linux was made by geeks for
> >geeks, and unfortunately it will probably always remain
> >so. I have to say that there is NO WAY Linux will ever
> >become mainstream... simply because of the lack of computer
> >savvy demonstrated by over 90% of PC users.
>
> My local Barnes and Noble has copies of that immortal classic,
> _Linux_For_Dummies_. *Someone* believes Linux is Ready For Prime Time.
Now we are seeing the same type of thing that drives Gates; the Almighty
Dollar. If "?? for Dummies" can make a buck on it, they will print it.
Don't think that they only sell books when they think it's for the "greater
good!"
>
> (posted from col.misc
>
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