Linux-Misc Digest #284, Volume #21 Wed, 4 Aug 99 09:13:15 EDT
Contents:
Learning the ways of the Penguin ("Scott Fleming")
Re: Learning the ways of the Penguin (Jon Skeet)
DAO Cd-recording. (Knut Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lang=F8?=)
Re: howto show baudrate? (Ari Vaisanen)
Re: Learning the ways of the Penguin (Thomas Zajic)
Re: can't find module st, also 9Gig SCSI disks? OK? (Jon Bloom)
Re: Extract the first n characters from a stream? (Jon Skeet)
Re: need help with multi-media CD-ROM (Jon Bloom)
ftp.domain, mail.domain and www.domain (Jan van den Brink)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Gifsicle install problem (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: running red hat 5.2 from serial console (Bill Newberry)
Linux for a *specific* PowerPC (Henry De Gregorio)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
Re: helping the Third World (MK)
Re: CIA assassinations (MK)
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From: "Scott Fleming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Learning the ways of the Penguin
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:51:29 GMT
Checked the man pages, and searched on the web, and HOWTO's, but didn't find
what I was looking for, so I'm posting my questions here.
Recently became a Linux RH 5.2 user, and after some trial and error, and
alot of reading, I have my Redhat machine on the network, sharing with my
Windows 98 machines.
Now for some questions:
1. How do I display file sizes within linux? Using dir or ls presents a nice
color coded display of the directory, but I want to see a "dos-style" list
of the files, with date, and file size in kilobytes when I list the files.
2. Is there a CHMOD 'HOWTO' ? Is there a page/site that someone can point me
to that explains more information about the CHMOD and perhaps CHOWN
commands?
3. I'm interested in performing scheduled backups on my linux machine, using
TAR, but the MAN pages are greek to me, and not much assistance. Is there a
page/site that can help me set up a script to perform backups of my network
to file/disk/tape using TAR, or some other form of utility?
Thank you in advance for you understanding,
A student in Linux,
Hawkwynd
http://hawkwynd.tzo.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Subject: Re: Learning the ways of the Penguin
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:29:25 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Checked the man pages, and searched on the web, and HOWTO's, but didn't find
> what I was looking for, so I'm posting my questions here.
>
> Recently became a Linux RH 5.2 user, and after some trial and error, and
> alot of reading, I have my Redhat machine on the network, sharing with my
> Windows 98 machines.
>
> Now for some questions:
>
> 1. How do I display file sizes within linux? Using dir or ls presents a nice
> color coded display of the directory, but I want to see a "dos-style" list
> of the files, with date, and file size in kilobytes when I list the files.
ls -l should give you what you want. man ls for more information.
> 2. Is there a CHMOD 'HOWTO' ? Is there a page/site that someone can point me
> to that explains more information about the CHMOD and perhaps CHOWN
> commands?
What do you want to do/know that man chmod and man chown doesn't explain?
> 3. I'm interested in performing scheduled backups on my linux machine, using
> TAR, but the MAN pages are greek to me, and not much assistance. Is there a
> page/site that can help me set up a script to perform backups of my network
> to file/disk/tape using TAR, or some other form of utility?
You probably want to use cron for this. man cron will help you on your
way.
I know that the man pages can sometimes be hard to read, but it's well
worth persevering with them - they can be incredibly useful if you read
them carefully.
--
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http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: Knut Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lang=F8?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DAO Cd-recording.
Date: 04 Aug 1999 13:01:19 +0200
I am searching for a utility which can record cd's in DAO-mode, maybe
something like cdrwin for Windows. I'd like to be able to backup my
Playstation games.
Any ides?
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From: Ari Vaisanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: howto show baudrate?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:30:41 GMT
gus wrote:
> If you use chat to connect, set the debug level on, and send the results
> to a log file. Then parse the log file for the connect speed.
>
> gus
>
It seems that i got debuglevel in /etc/ppp/options file already and i
suppose that the log file is in a file called debug in /var/log dir.
I parsed that file but found no connect speed.
Here is a extract.
Aug 4 12:32:46 dryden kernel: id: 0x34 io: 0x300 eth0: Intel
EtherExpress Pro/10 ISA at 0x300, 00:aa:00:6b:ac:c0, IRQ 11, 10BaseT.
Aug 4 12:38:44 dryden pppd[98]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0>
<magic 0x99814021> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x8f <asyncmap
0xa0000> <auth chap 05> <magic 0x4ffa677> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x8f <asyncmap
0xa0000> <auth chap 05> <magic 0x4ffa677> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0>
<magic 0x99814021> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0x8b
<ae3ce874d557214def458273db413b39>, name = "ISPNAME"]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: sent [CHAP Response id=0x8b
<12ccb9de25ad863d9dc3438fa7026c8a>, name = "USERNAME"]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [CHAP Success id=0x8b ""]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>
<compress VJ 0f 01>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1 <deflate 15>
<deflate(old#) 15> <bsd v1 15>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x9b <compress VJ 0f
00> <addr 212.105.12.1>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x9b <compress VJ 0f
00> <addr 212.105.12.1>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 <addr
212.105.14.51>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 <addr
212.105.14.51> <compress VJ 0f 01>]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [LCP ProtRej id=0x90 80 fd 01 01 00
0f 1a 04 78 00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f]
Aug 4 12:38:45 dryden pppd[98]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2 <addr
212.105.14.51> <compress VJ 0f 01>]
Maybe i should mention that i got this in /etc/conf.modules
alias net-pf-4 off
alias net-pf-5 off
alias net-pf-3 off
alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp
alias ppp-compress-26 off
alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate
alias ppp-compress-1 off
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic)
Subject: Re: Learning the ways of the Penguin
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:08:56 GMT
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:51:29 GMT, Scott Fleming wrote:
> [ ... ]
> 1. How do I display file sizes within linux? Using dir or ls presents a nice
> color coded display of the directory, but I want to see a "dos-style" list
> of the files, with date, and file size in kilobytes when I list the files.
ls -l
> 2. Is there a CHMOD 'HOWTO' ? Is there a page/site that someone can point me
> to that explains more information about the CHMOD and perhaps CHOWN
> commands?
man chmod, man chown
> [ ... ]
HTH,
Thomas
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From: Jon Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: can't find module st, also 9Gig SCSI disks? OK?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:18:37 -0400
"Lyndon F. Bartels" wrote:
>
> When I boot the system, I get the following error message.
>
> Enabling Swap Space [OK]
> can't locate module st
> INIT: Entering run level 3 yadda yadda yadda.
>
> I'm assuming this has something to do with the tape drive? Any obviously
> simple answers?
I think SCSI tape support is compiled into the kernel, not as a module.
The RH init scripts are supposed to detect that and not load the st
module. Which leads me to wonder if you are really booting the default
kernel. What does a "uname -r" give you?
> Also, I'm planning on adding 2 9G drives to this system for data storage.
> I have the OS and httpd server setup on the existing 4.5s. I'm merely adding
> the 9Giggers. I read somewhere that either Adaptec doesn't like drives larger
> that 8Gig, or that Linux doesn't. What's the skinny? Am I doomed?
Dunno where you heard that, but I'm using a 2940U with a 9-GB Seagate
drive without any problems.
Jon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Extract the first n characters from a stream?
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:26:44 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi I'd like to know how to extract the first n characters from a text
> stream. I tried using sed but it didn't work. I need this because I wanna
> extract the first 120 characters from my email body and send them to the
> web interface. Thanks in advance
Um, I expect head will do what you want it to.
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From: Jon Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: need help with multi-media CD-ROM
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:45:11 -0400
MerefBast wrote:
>
> The mastering software we are using can only write names in upper case
> letetrs, unless it is creating a disk for the Macintosh. We could create a disk
> image and then hand edit all the file names and then use that as the master,
> but there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 files and there is no way
> we can come up with the volunteer labor to hand edit that many entries (and
> make sure there are no mistakes in the process).
That restriction is true of any mastering software that isn't using an
extension to ISO9660, such as MS' Joliet. (Which Linux isofs can handle,
by the way.)
> So, is there any way to get LINUX to mount a CD-ROM with upper case letter
> file names instead of the default lower case letter file names? It sure would
> be a shame to have to give up on LINUX when we are this close.
Ideally, you would master the disk with Rock Ridge extensions. That
makes the disk more unix-friendly while not affecting its use under
DOS/Windows.
However, you might see if things work okay by mounting the CD on the
Linux system using the "check=r" mount option. Setting that option gives
case-insensitive access to the CD-ROM. So even though ls shows, for
example, a file called "read.me" you can open the file as READ.ME. You
only then need to instruct your Linux users to mount the CD-ROM using
that option.
Jon
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From: Jan van den Brink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ftp.domain, mail.domain and www.domain
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:46:25 +0200
Hi,
I want to learn something more about web servers/ftp servers etc. I have a cable
modem with a static IP, installed a pop server a web server and an anonymous ftp
server, and I want any user to receive mail, like john@[ip-address]. I use
Netscape, and setup mailhost? as the popserver. My hosts file:
127.0.0.1 localhost
ip-address myhost.nl myhost
ip-address mailhost
(ip-address is the address provided by the cable guy)
Is this the correct way to do such a think? Is it possible to create something
like mail.myhost.nl, ftp.myhost.nl and www.myhost.nl? Should I use a DNS server,
and how?
My apache web server and the ftp server worked already after installation. Very
simple! Only my mail isn't working (yet). I installed the imap....rpm package,
and I uncommented the pop and imap lines from /etc/services. The ipop3d and
imapd files are available in /usr/sbin. What's the next step?
Sorry for such a newbie question, but we all have to learn it!
Cheers,
Newbie Jan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:08:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03 Aug 1999 01:52:35 -0700, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I have no respect for bourgeois whining about their tax bills.
>
> MK> Religious statement. Identyfying enemy ("bourgeoise"
> MK> stereotype), propose action (tax'em), enjoy their discomfort
> MK> (whining about taxes).
>On the contrary, I don't "enjoy" listening to your whining, not at
>all. Don't spend more than you make, you'll have an easy time of it.
And I don't enjoy listening to whining of govt advocates why
they "should" get more money from individuals. I claim they
should not.
Let the govt not spend too much, do with what they have
and keep their hands off individual. They'll have easy
time of it.
> MK> I have no respect to those _anybody_ somehow "should" be taxed
> MK> by government. I wish I had that quote from US judge who wrote
> MK> in the verdict why paying maximum taxes is not any patriotic
> MK> duty, and why there is no moral obligation whatsoever not to
> MK> use legal means to cut one's taxes.
>
> >> The only reason they do so is because they're too weak to live
> >> within their means -- then, when they overspend, they blame it
> >> on the gov't.
>
> MK> Which _still_ is their problem only. Regardless whether they
> MK> take good or bad care of their money, it's not justification
> MK> for government taking it away.
>You seem to be having a comprehension problem. The behavior of the
>individual is what's under discussion.
Why? You don't get to judge the behavior of individual. Individuals
do what they want, and face the consequences. Whether they
do good job of managing their money or not, it's not any of your
problem or of govt.
You meet the mugger in the dark alley. The mugger takes your wallet
away and says "well, you would not be able to use it well anyway,
don't whine".
> >> The gov't then responds by increasing the tax burden on the
> >> lower classes, who don't vote and therefore pose little threat
> >> at the polls.
> MK> Last time I checked "lower" "classes" (what a stupid Marxist
> MK> term this "class" is) had a right to vote, didn't they.
>And your point is?
That you excuse them for not voting, and apply double standards.
> >> >> Currently, the US Congress is about to pass yet another tax
> >> >> package for the bourgeois, the "marriage penalty" tax break,
> >> >> the lying lizards are calling it. If you're not married, >>
> >> you're already at a tax disadvantage -- and now, that >>
> >> disadvantage will grow.
>
> MK> This was a ricochet in the battle between feminists and
> MK> conservatives -- feminists wanted to get a tax funded daycare,
> MK> so conservatives fired counter-torpedo of tax cut to prevent
> MK> the bill for daycare being handed to couples with
> MK> children. Unfortunately, singles have got a part of
> MK> blast. Well, that's what happens when the government becomes
> MK> "involved" in the economy.
>
> >> Wow! There's some nice "reinterpretation."
>
> MK> Shrug. Check facts. That's simply what happened.
>
> >> Apparently, you're one of those people who think businessmen
> >> will suddenly, miraculously "play nice" if there are no more
> >> regulations.
>
> MK> Apparently, you are talking nonsense. People play more or less
> MK> similarly, it's only about weapons they have available. If one
> MK> gives minimal regulations AND ensures they can't use direct
> MK> violence, the businesses have no option whatsoever but to
> MK> speak to another person's self interest.
>But, you've already argued against gov't regulations. So, according
>to your ideal, there won't be any gov't regulations.
Stupid non sequitur. I meant precisely the govt making sure
not being able to use violence. That's the job of govt. Nothing
more, nothing less.
>AND, of course,
>since your ideal gov't will only be accountable to businesses, and NOT
>to individuals, any protection we might have from direct violence will
>not be tolerated.
Yeah, and the moon is made of green cheese. Where you took
that "govt will be accountable to businesses idea".
The interest conflict is not "the people vs. businesses". The conflict
is "people & businesses vs. government".
<snip>
> >> Right, the old "give businesses a bigger tax break or they'll
> >> raise their prices" blackmail.
>
> MK> It's not blackmail, naiviete, it's 5% annual operating profit
> MK> in most of businesses. From their POV the tax is _simply_ a
> MK> cost: money flows out of company. And what do you do with
> MK> costs in company, Sherlock?
>Well, economic genius, you explain why the tax burden on business in
>this country has dropped 50% from its level in the 1950s -- and the
>1950s were a period of major economic growth.
Because after the WWII war expenses customers were starved for
consumption. Whatever produced, however shoddy, got sold.
Nowadays, markets are saturated.
>Yet, even after this
>tremendous shift of the tax burden from business to individual, you're
>still telling us that business needs MORE tax relief -- yes, let's
>just altogether do away with taxing any kind of business income.
You just believe naively that businesses do away with that income.
If they could, they would raise prices to infinity with or without
taxes. It's the competition that keeps the prices down. Lower
taxes and redistribution, you'll get benefits for CUSTOMER,
not for the business.
I argue for capitalism because I am customer.
<snip>
> MK> How do you recognize religious preacher wants to show his
> MK> obsession to be there, even at cost of making society suffer,
> MK> aka high unemployment and economies having problems all the
> MK> time a la Europe?
>I'm sure this statement makes no sense. I certainly obsess on having
>a society in which people are more important than money,
In Europe socialdemocracies care for people so much that they
are unemployed and taking pills because they can't sleep
at night, because they are afraid if they don't loose their jobs.
If that's caring for the people, then Stalin was the pope.
>while you
>obsess on how money is the most important thing in life.
Nope. This is in capitalism where _purchasing power_ of hour
of work is greater, so people do not have to work so much
in order to get the same thing. This is in socialism where
you have to work and work and work only just to make
ends meet.
Marcin Krol
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gifsicle install problem
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:56:50 GMT
The problem is strange... I already have gifsicle 1.12,
but now I tried to install the 1.14 version, and it fails
to find X11/Xlib.h and X11/Xutil.h files.
Of course I have these files! They are in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/
I tried to add to configure '--x-include=<dir name>' but it
does not find these files...
Can anyone help ?
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From: Bill Newberry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: running red hat 5.2 from serial console
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:10:23 +0100
Thanks for this, I'm running 2.0.34, which apperas to have the patch... but
I'm still looking!
Bill Newberry
Cokey de Percin wrote:
> What distro/kernel are you running? There is a serial console patch
>
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From: Henry De Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux for a *specific* PowerPC
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:42:38 -0400
I've scoured linuxppc.org and linuxppc.com (among other sites) and have
yet to find a Linux port to the Motorola MVME 604e processor (2600 series).
Anyone know where to find a distribution for this microprocessor?
Thanks in advance,
Hank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3 Aug 1999 12:20:59 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan
Rebbechi) wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:19:18 GMT, MK wrote:
>>On 30 Jul 1999 22:51:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan
>>Rebbechi) wrote:
>
>>Those who want to go the third way when seeing the fork in the
>>road, usually end up crashing.
>
> How do you show that there really is a "fork
>in the road", as opposed to a continuum of choices ?
The failure of "third way" approaches. This is a non-option. You
can't introduce socialism in some places and redistribute, and
set up capitalism in other place and let them have their money.
You'll end up with capitalism evading giving away their money
and non-working socialism which would basically be receiving
money from ever more evasive capitalism. Pointless.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:16:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3 Aug 1999 16:04:23 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>You also seem dangerously close to suggesting that the only
>:>possible solutions are hard-line capitalism and hard line communism. It
>:>might interest some of the people in this thread to discover that there
>:>are people who do not see either of the two as optimal.
>
>: Those who want to go the third way when seeing the fork in the
>: road, usually end up crashing.
>
>It's just as well. Both roads go to a bad place, and, indeed, the
>*same* bad place.
Why? What does it look like? The place that turned the US
from third rate colony into superpower? Tell me, I'll move there.
>The issue to me is not whether an all-powerful government should
>pursue left-wing or right-wing policies.
>
>The issue is why should we ever tolerate an all-powerful government in
>the first place?
No.
That's what I mean. The redistribution rate in US is 35% GDP, and
about 45% NNP. That's still too much. But wherever it is higher,
things are worse off, not better. The minimum government
is precisely what I argue: the one that is concerned with negative
rights, i.e. the ones you have without being infringed upon. Like
life, liberty, property, vote, and so on.
<snip>
>And virtually all large-scale crimes are committed by all-powerful
>governments, or their agents.
Absolutely. I have yet to see a concentration camp founded
by private individual, not some agenda of government.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:11:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3 Aug 1999 12:29:45 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan
Rebbechi) wrote:
>>But the US educational system was faring a lot better in the past!
>
>Evidence ?
I wish I had that book by Milton Friedman with the stats right now.
Anyway, it is there. Check it out.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:10:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03 Aug 1999 02:39:58 -0700, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>Finally, the major reason for American companies to move offshore is
>not direct profits from sales, it's tax savings.
No, the cost cutting. You can't sell for a price higher than the
marginal utility set independently by customer is. Thus,
the only way is to cut costs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: helping the Third World
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 3 Aug 1999 12:15:11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan
Rebbechi) wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:44:46 GMT, MK wrote:
>
>>>Wealth is already being redistributed in almost every reasonably
>>>advanced economy.
>>
>>And such economies stutter. Go to France.
>Wealth is also redistributed in the USA. Just because *excessive*
>redistribution may be detrimental doesn't mean that *any* redistirution
>is.
Anything above 10-15% of GDP is too much.
>>>In our country (USA) we do this through transfer payments and a
>>>progressive tax system. There are other methods that might be better
>>>(but I don't really want to get into all that).
>>
>>Yeah, you're doing good job. You've already ruined US education.
>Nonsense. The US education system has been ruined by an inequitable
>school financing system.
Or rather by bureaucratized "progressives", who stop all attempts
of reforming it.
Marcin Krol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:22:33 GMT
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On 3 Aug 1999 15:56:51 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: In socialism, the socialist B is deciding what A is to do for C.
>
>: Personally, I'd prefer A, B, and C all decide about themselves. Sadly,
>: the European politics is now predominantly taken by those former
>: sixties leftist types. Dreary.
>
>Yeah, but it could be worse. You could have a President who doesn't
>know what the definition of the word "is" is. :)
And who has so poor taste when it comes to women. America does
not deserve to have president with so poor taste.
>I too prefer that people be free to decide most things for themselves
>(indeed, ALL things, so long as they do not harm others). That is why
>even in a "democracy," if there were such a thing, there would have to
>be limits on the powers government could lawfully exercise. Slavery,
>genocide, etc. can never be right, even if a majority can be
>temporarily persuaded that they are.
Basically, I don't believe it is possible _ever_ to get the policy of
govt "right". That's like trying to find philosophical stone. You
can imagine that, but I would not count on it.
Marcin Krol
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