Linux-Misc Digest #284, Volume #25 Sun, 30 Jul 00 11:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise ("Julian Gomez")
Re: at&t lex (David Rysdam)
Re: Linux and Netgear RT311--????? (Julian Cook/Sherab Gyatso)
SSH not free. Is there alternative? (David Steuber)
Re: SSH not free. Is there alternative? (D'Arque Bishop)
Red Hat Linux 7.0 ("Sludge")
Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences? (kf)
Can I delete these RPMs on my HDD? (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: what to demo during a linux talk (Jerry McBride)
Re: alsa sucks (Rod Smith)
Re: Linux on Mac LC III possible? (Tony Mantler)
Re: Best newsreader? ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: apache autostart on boot? (Vegard Engen)
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From: "Julian Gomez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows geek has some linux questions, please advise
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:22:52 +0800
(snip)
> ftp client
Yes.
> dial-up client (to ISP and direct comm with the server)
Yes.
> dial-up server
Yes.
> scheduling command that will launch programs at specified time/date
Yes.
> download manager like GetRight
Search the web, I'm can almost guarantee you'll find one.
> encrypting/decrypting program
Yes.
> mp3 player with playlists, random, no repeat
Yes.
> a built-in scripting ability like DOS
Yes. Shell scripting.
> if available, can you recommend the best distribution to run on, and best
> app? if i have to program some stuff myself, what is the easiest language
to
> use?
All the distros I know of support those. Everything short of those single
floppy boots
should have all of the above, and even the floppy boots if you put the
binaries in.
Programming wise, it depends on what exactly you are trying to do. Some
languages
are better at doing things than others, example, I wouldn't use COBOL to do
fast
fourier calculations, Fortran would be a better choice. I wouldn't use
Pascal for report
generation where Perl would be a better substitute, etc. Depends on what you
are trying
to achieve.
> can you also recommend the best modem and sound card for that distrib?
also,
> is anyone aware of linux support for small LCD screens?
Don't get a Winmodem. It won't work with Linux. Can't comment on the other
two.
HTH.
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From: David Rysdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: at&t lex
Date: 30 Jul 2000 08:26:15 -0400
ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can at&t lex be purchased somewhere and can it be installed on a linux
> system?
flex no good? Comes free from FSF on every Linux distro.
--
My public encryption key is available from www.keyserver.net
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From: Julian Cook/Sherab Gyatso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux and Netgear RT311--?????
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:46:40 GMT
Thanks Kevin,
The RT311 is set up for DHCP. Windoze is set to grab first available IP.
I downloaded the new DHCPCD module and set that up. So I have figured
out
that I have to use DHCP. Whenever the machine boots up, it tries to
configure eth0 by contacting a DHCP server and then I get a timeout
waiting
for DHCP server response.
While the Linux box is waiting on the DHCP response, the corresponding
hub light
DOES light up on the hub box, then when it times out, it goes out.
When I issue ifconfig I get....
lo Link encap: Local Loopback
inet addr: 127.0.0.1 Mask: 255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1
RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
It apparently recognizes the loopback, I can ping localhost with no
problems.
Then I issue
ifconfig eth0 up
The hub light comes on for the corresponding port..
When I issue ifconfig then I get
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:24:24:AC:1B
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
interrupt:11 Base address:0x300
lo Link encap: Local Loopback
inet addr: 127.0.0.1 Mask: 255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1
RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
I don't have enough experience networking linux to know if this is OK
or not. My initial impression is that it may indeed be set up correctly.
That is, it's asking for an IP from the Netgear and it isn't getting it,
so it can't configure eth0.
I truly appreciate all the assistance that you and the other folks are
giving me on this....
Thanks again!
Julian
kevin metcalf wrote:
>
> It appears that you do not have a DHCP network, or you would not need to
> set the IP address on your windoze system. Try giving your linux box an
> arbitrary IP address (192.168.0.42 for example) and setting the netmask
> to 255.255.255.0. Point the Router to 192.168.0.1, and you should be
> good to go.
>
> Julian Cook/Sherab Gyatso wrote:
> >
> > Hello folks!
> > I have a network I am trying to set up and I have wasted SO many hours
> > and no results.
> > One machine is Windows 98
> > The other is a Linux box running Slackware 7
> > Both machines are hooked into a Linksys 5 port workgroup hub
> > The Router is a Netgear RT311
> >
> > This router has been great after some initial difficulty setting it up.
> > The Win machine
> > works great through it. My problem is setting up Linux and getting Linux
> > to see the
> > router..
> >
> > The IP of the Router is 192.168.0.1
> >
> > The Linux box uses a 3Com 509B NIC. The machine recognizes the card ok.
> > (Other info, it's a
> > Pentium 75)
> >
> > When I type 'netconfig'
> > I put in these values .. hostname --> milarepa
> > Domain name --> this is a complete mystery to me. It's a private
> > network. What domain name? (I typed 'localnetwork' just for something to
> > put in)
> > The when given the options of Static IP, DHCP and loopback I selected
> > DHCP
> > Then I get the notification that "Your networking software has now been
> > configured"
> >
> > Now on bootup after this (during startup), I get...
> > "Attempting to configure eth0 by contacting a DHCP server"
> > The corresponding hub light goes on during this period, the machine
> > hangs for about
> > 30seconds and then the light goes out and I get
> > "Activating IPv4 packet forwarding"
> > After logging in, I type in "ifconfig" and the only thing that shows up
> > are the "lo" settings.
> > Needless to say pinging the router's IP at 192.168.0.1 gets me nothing.
> > except
> >
> > ping : sendto: Network is unreachable
> > ping: wrote 192.168.0.1 64 chars, ret = -1
> > over and over......
> >
> > When I type in "route" I get (hyphens added to keep thinsg lined up)
> >
> > Destination--------Gateway---Genmask-------Flags---Metric---Ref--Use----Iface
> > loopback------------- *
> > ----255.0.0.0--------U-------0-------0----0-------lo
> >
> > Now when I type "netconfig"
> > I put in these values.. hostname --> milarepa
> > Domain name ---> again "localnetwork"
> > Then I choose Static IP instead of DHCP
> > Those values are.....
> > local machine IP ---> 192.168.0.4 (Win 98 machine is 192.168.0.2)
> > netmask ----> 255.255.255.0 (same as the Win 98 machine settings)
> > Gateway address ---- > 192.168.0.1 (same as Win 98 machine settings)
> > Will you be accessing a nameserver? ---> Yes
> > Enter name server for domain ---- > 24.11.248.17 (same as Win 98
> > machine settings, points to @home)
> > Next there is the option presented of "Probe for Network Card"
> > I select "Probe" and it successfully detects the 3c509 card
> > Then I get "Your networking software has now been configured"
> >
> > Now when I boot the box I get (during startup) .....
> > Configuring eth0 as 192.168.0.4
> > eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses
> > "Activating IPv4 packet forwarding"
> > All this time the corresponding hub light on the box is on and stays on.
> > I log in, I type "ifconfig" and get both eth0 and lo settings
> > Typing "route", I get this .. (hyphens added to keep thinsg lined up)
> >
> > Destination----Gateway-----Genmask------Flags----Metric--Ref---Use---Iface
> > localnet-------- *
> > ------255.255.255.0---U--------0-------0-----0-----eth0
> > loopback-------- *
> > -------255.0.0.0------U--------0-------0-----0------lo
> > default------192.168.0.1---0.0.0.0-------UG-------1-------0-----0-----eth0
> >
> > Now when I type "ping 192.168.0.1" to ping the router, nothing happens
> > I get a hang and 100% packet loss
> > When I look at the Hub, light 1 (where the 98 box is, is just fine)
> > Light 3 (the port where the Linux box is plugged in) and light 5 (which
> > I assume is the uplink light)
> > both flash in unison, not fast, maybe a second and half. When I stop the
> > 'ping", the lights stop flashing.
> >
> > I know I am SO close to getting this darn thing working but I have no
> > idea where to go after this.
> > Does anyone have any idea what we might do to solve this problem? This
> > is the first time I have ever
> > dealt with a router and linux and I am losing very valuable development
> > time over this seemingly simple
> > hang up.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance to you all!
> > Very much!
> >
> > Julian Cook
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Subject: SSH not free. Is there alternative?
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:00:03 GMT
Is there a free (as in liberty) alternative to SSH?
--
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NRA Member | a hoploholic.
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--- Devon Miller
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From: D'Arque Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SSH not free. Is there alternative?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:14:58 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a free (as in liberty) alternative to SSH?
OpenSSH, at http://www.openssh.com . I've been using it for a few weeks
now, and aside from only a couple of (easily-resolved) issues, it's been
working great for me.
Hope this helps...
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From: "Sludge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat,linux.redhat.devel,linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general,redhat.hardware.arch.intel
Subject: Red Hat Linux 7.0
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:28:28 -0800
Anyone have a timeframe for when it will be out? (an estimate at least)
And are they planning on designing it for the 2.4.x kernel and XFree86 4.x?
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From: kf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Building a Linux Server from scratch: Experiences?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:30:49 -0400
Bob Martin wrote:
>
> David Steuber wrote:
> >
>
> [snip]
>
> > Has anyone else had similar experiences to mine? Does life get easier
> > in the build your own PC game? I feel a lot like I should have just
> > gone with VA Linux and be done with it.
> >
> > Now I have an e-mail to send.
> >
>
> The last computer I bought "pre-built" was an XT back in '85, since then
> I have built all of mine from parts. Back then you could save a great
> deal of money because you paid a premium to have an IBM label on your
> box. These days PCs have become a commodity item and you can end up
> paying more by building it yourself. It stills gives you the advantage
> of getting exactly what you want and if something goes wrong your more
> likely to know how to fix it. But places like emachines are basically
> making disposable computers, keep it 2 years and buy a new one, dump the
> old one.
>
> As far as vendors go , sometimes your parts can come at different times
> because they can be shipped from different warehouses in different
> locations. One thing you have to watch is the shipping, they can
> blindside you with that. I have generally good luck with most place I
> have ordered from , a few of the ones I like now are:
>
> allstarshop.com , axiontech.com, and onsale.com. Shipment was on time,
> no missing parts and shipping was reasonable.
>
> Check sysopt.com for some technical articles and they also have link to
> a reseller ratings page that rates vendors.
> --
>
> Bob Martin
One of the problems I had trying to buy a complete system was that I could never
get all the components I wanted and the sales people would always try to steer
me to some other replacement and make claims that it would "work fine with
Linux", or that I would be "happy" with the replacement. It wound up taking
less time to shop for components separately than it did trying to find one
vendor that had everything I wanted (which I never did).
A tip: When you get your components you'll want to test them incrementally,
i.e., get the basic system working (case, fans, mobo, cpu, video, hard drive, CD
drive, floppy drive), then when these work add in one at a time any sound, SCSI,
CDRW, or other components and test them. For this reason, order the basic
components first. When you get those working, then order the other things.
Another tip: Note my sig.
--
My recommendation: Don't do business with Explorer Micro
of Worthington, Ohio.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Can I delete these RPMs on my HDD?
Date: 30 Jul 2000 14:29:58 GMT
Would I still be able to keep an audit trail/history of all the
installed RPMs even after I physically delete them from the drive?
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride)
Subject: Re: what to demo during a linux talk
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:09:46 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>would say:
>>I am going to have a talk on Linux. The audience will be
>>the managers of some businesses in Macau. There will be
>>a live demo on Linux. I was wondering what kind of stuff
>>should I demonstrate? The Linux box will not be connected
>>to a network.
>
>What do you think they'd care about?
>
>I suspect that a K001 demo of OpenGL and the Enlightenment window manager
>is not likely to fly; that's liable to be useless eye candy to them.
>
Think about that one again... EYE CANDY is what made MicroSoft! I say
make the most beautiful presentation, full of bells and whistles and fully
demonstrate it. Once that is all done, strip it down a tad and get to business.
>The lack of network is highly unfortunate, as one of the things
>likely to look real useful is the ability to provide network
>services, including:
> - File server stuff [Novell + SMB + AppleTalk emulation/replacement]
> - Web server stuff, probably keeping it simple
> - Mail server
> - Web Cache/Proxy, Firewall
>
Depending on how much hardware he's able to use/carry/lug... setp a small net
of laptops plugged into server on your demostration table. Let the audience
tinker with the client/server or simply demostrate the "power of the penguin"
for the audience.
You don't really need a live inet connect... Just a few laptops would be fine.
>You might install a relational database or two (Oracle? PostgreSQL?)
>and demonstrate that it can provide what they'd pay MSFT quite a bit for
>to get SQL Server licenses.
>
An excellent suggestion... Hmmmm... the audience will probably have a
bean-counter or two.. so a big poster in the background, showing the total cost
of setting up the linux demostration vs the total cost of a similar microsoft
setup would be MOST enlightening... It's hard to ignore DOLLARS. :')
Don't forget too... the MCSE ticket is dead and the replacement is more costly!
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: alsa sucks
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:47:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
gLiTcH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> well, I got it working now thanks to another poster replying directly to me
> about what I might have missed. I am using Suse 6.3 and I have a yamaha ds-xg
> sound card in a sony vaio laptop. I didn't realize I needed to insmod 3 of
> the oss modules in order for kde to make sounds. I think it is kind of stupid
> that I still have to use 3 'oss' modules even though I'm using ALSA. I would
> think that ALSA is supposed to take the place of those modules with it's own
> so that even oss emulation isn't needed.
The philosophy behind ALSA (perhaps overstated a bit) is that the OSS
architecture stinks. ALSA therefore uses a different architecture, and
associated APIs. If you only use programs that "speak" the ALSA APIs,
you can use ALSA without the OSS modules. Unfortunately, most Linux
programs only understand the OSS APIs, so to use them with ALSA, you
need the compatibility modules. In practice, doing so isn't a big deal
-- you can create a startup script that handles everything, including
setting the initial mixer levels for your taste. It is one of the little
details in the instructions that you MUST NOT overlook, though, and
hence one of the reasons I regularly advise people to read those
instructions CAREFULLY and follow them TO THE LETTER.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: Tony Mantler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Linux on Mac LC III possible?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:49:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Henry Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
: Jeff Pierce wrote:
:
: > I was recently given a Mac LC III with a CRT< 500 meg hard drive,
: > external CD and eerything else. Is there a Linux distro for it??
: >
: > I would like to use it as a networking gateway/Ip masqurade syestem if
: > possible. If not I plan to either try to sell it at a hamfest, and
: > failing at that, donate it to a local Community College.
: >
: > P.S. I a not a Mac person...
: >
: > Please reply via Email also...
[...]
: No built in FPU with the LCIII. Get an FPU or sell it. Though FPU
: emulation is written into the Slink and the Potato kernel of Debian,
: neither system will boot Linux without the FPU. Be nice if FPU emulation
: would work!
FPU emulation works just fine. Slow, but fine.
If you have experienced a specific bug that's preventing FPUE for
working for you, please post to the Linux-Mac68k list with the details.
Cheers - Tony :)
--
Tony Mantler Renaissance Nerd Extraordinaire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada http://www.escape.ca/~eek
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From: "Jan Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best newsreader?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:00:58 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Blomquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm recently over from Windoze land, and I am wondering if there is a
> newsreader that is as good as Microplanet's Gravity?
>
> I am currently posting and reading from Krn 0.6.0, and have an RPM for
> 0.6.11; I also have a beta of knews, but am not excited about it, if it
> just another basic newsreader.
>
> I know that Netscape Communicator can handle it, but its never been a
> faovrite either. And pine and news are a bit lower than I want.
>
> I'm not really a snoot, but I just like a decent newsreader with a
> decent threading ability.
>
Pan (http://www.superpimp.org) is the best newsreader IMHO. It's actively
developed, and people listen to new suggestions when you join the
mailing-list, so if there's anything missing that you think makes sense,
chances are it will be in one of the next versions (new versions are
released every couple of weeks).
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Win98 is called Win98 because 98% of the code is untested
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vegard Engen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: apache autostart on boot?
Date: 30 Jul 2000 14:35:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:55:10 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Devon Harding wrote:
>
>> When I do a:
>>
>> chkconfig --list httpd
>>
>> I get:
>>
>> [root@santa /root]# chkconfig --list httpd
>>
>> error reading information on service httpd: No such file or directory
>
>That simply means there's no standard startup script in /etc/rc.d/init.d
>
>So, you probably installed apache from scratch -
>
>You can put something in rc.local like:
>
>/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start
>
>
I think a better idea would be to find a copy of the /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd
script. If you install the SOURCE package of apache, it should be possible
to find. Probably you will need to modify a few paths in it, but other than
that, it should be usable. Put it into /etc/rc.d/init.d, after that, chkconfig
should be usable.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - I hardly use chkconfig anyways, I usually
just make the appropriate links myself.
- Vegard
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