Linux-Misc Digest #310, Volume #21 Fri, 6 Aug 99 14:13:15 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux users group in Kansas City area - can't find one ("Jeff Weiss")
Re: What I think of linux. (Robert Crawford)
Re: CIA assassinations (Jim Reidford)
Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss? (Martin R.
Green)
Sound Blaster PCI128 Sound Card with Mandrake 6.0 (Jeff Strunk)
Re: What I think of linux. (Robert Crawford)
Re: Starting StarOffice as Non-Installation User (David Mcilroy)
Re: shakiness with ATI Xpert 98 8M (Stephen S.)
Re: Must root and swap partitions be primary? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to copy boot sector to another disk ??? (Jayan M)
Re: ftp/ncftp hang or timeout on large files (Jayan M)
Re: Posted already for the third time (Leonard Evens)
Re: Power Failures & Linux ? (Leonard Evens)
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From: "Jeff Weiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,roadrunner.kc.linux
Subject: Re: Linux users group in Kansas City area - can't find one
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:55:20 -0500
There is a Linux User Group in Kansas City. It is a special interest group
of Heartland Users Group (HUG). You can find more information at
http://www.hugkc.org or http://www.sabakisoftware.com/linux/indesx.html
Unfortunately the HUGs usually do not meet during the summer months due to
heat. The Linux group is usually the fourth Wednesday of every month. I
believe the next one is September 22. At this meeting they are scheduled to
have an "Install-fest". I was at the May meeting, and while there weren't a
great deal of people, I did walk away with a free copy of Caldera OpenLinux
2.2. If there is anything else that you would like to know, please contact
me. I hope this helps!
Jeff Weiss
Network Administrator
Step 1, Inc.
http://www.step1inc.com
jweiss at step1inc dot com
Jeff Greer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:37ab5478.23235937@news-server...
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know of a linux users group in the Kansas City area?
> I looked through dozens of web pages, but couldn't find one. If
> there is not one in KC I am definately moving to a bigger city -
> YEAH! Just finished by B.S. in computer science. I'M FREE!.
> FREE!!! :^)
> --
> Jeff Greer
> B.S. computer science, University of MO - Rolla
> --------------------------------------------------
> Windows NT has crashed,
> I am the Blue Screen of Death,
> No one hears your screams...
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From: Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:00:00 -0700
I would be interested in a schematic and driver code for this.
Terry Porter wrote:
> Or make up a parallel, port driven (lpt2) LCD display, that shows uptime,
> mem, swp and cpu free.
>
> I did, using a junked LCD from a old hotel billing
> system and a modified version of LCD4 from Sunsite.
>
> It has sat next to my minitor for 2 years, I *must* put it in a box one day
> ;-)
>
> Too easy, Linux at its best :))
>
> terry
> --
> **** To reach me, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ****
> My Computer is powered by GNU-LINUX, and has been
> up 6 days 18 hours 31 minutes
> ........ 'Sapere aude' (Immanuel Kant, 1784) ........
--
Robert Crawford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.snowcrest.net/robertc
Linux and vi, the choice powertools of the next century.
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From: Jim Reidford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:42:11 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<FOLLOW UPS removed from C.O.L.M>-
--
Jim Reidford
--
"Due to financial constraints,
the light at the end of the tunnel
has been turned off until further notice !!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin R. Green)
Subject: Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss?
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:39:47 GMT
Forgetting, for a moment, that question of what is causing the
crashes, I just wanted to weigh in on the crash recovery question. As
a RH6.0 newbie, I have to wonder why Linux seems far more susceptible
to catastrophic mangling of disk volumes when it is not shut down
properly than DOS/Windows.
I have recently moved into a nicer neighborhood, but the local power
utility is far worse than at my old address. I often get a few
momentary power interruptions (<2 seconds) per week, sometimes several
per day, whereas I got only a few in my entire 8 years at the old
address. I know... UPS... I'll be getting one soon, but for now it
still begs the question.
Anyway, I have been using DOS/Windows (ALL varieties) since about
1980, and although some files may be trashed, overall a simple
"scandisk" or "NDD" will restore the disk volume almost like new.
WinNT is even less likely still to have its volumes damaged by an
improper shutdown. But Linux, ah... Linux.
I have had about a half dozen power burps long enough to cause Linux
to reboot since I installed it a couple of weeks ago, and in two
cases, damage to the Linux volumes was catastrophic, requiring a full
sytem reinstall both times. In the other cases, the volumes were badly
damaged, but were successfully repaired during the boot sequence.
Why is a Linux volume so screwed up by a bad shutdown while a
FAT16/FAT32/NTFS volume is hardly ruffled at all?
CIAO - Martin R. Green
5:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <7oceiv$q35$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Matt Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I understand that linux doesn't write things to disk until shutdown,
>neither
>> does NT. Occasionally NT will lockup beyond repair and I have to
>reset the
>> machine. NT recovers from this dirty shutdown 95% of the time. Linux
>> recovers from a dirty shutdown 5% of the time. My linux installation
>locks
>> up at least once every few days which means I am constantly having to
>> reinstall. What is the best solution to prevent this reinstallation?
>>
>> Should I back up my installation on another partition or perhaps a
>tape?
>> What is best?
>>
>> Is there a way that I can sacrifice speed for crash protection? (so
>the
>> system writes everything to disk immediately)
>>
>> The biggest issue I suppose is finding the cause of these crashes.
>
>You hit the nail on the head there! Something isn't quite right. I found
>linux to be extremely stable (so have a lot of others, I take it). If
>there is nothing too crucial on your system, maybe a reinstall or
>upgrade could help. Just a suggestion.
>
>>
>> I thought it was my Cyrix processor so I put in an intel. The
>crashing
>> continues.
>> Now I am wondering whether it is the piece of trash trident card I
>have got
>> in there.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated...
>> thanks
>> matt
>>
>>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Jeff Strunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound Blaster PCI128 Sound Card with Mandrake 6.0
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:44:38 -0500
When I run Red Hat's sndconfig, it detects that I have a PCI128 installed but
gives an error when it tries to test it.
sox: Effect '/dev/dsp' is not known!
Does anybody know what I need to do or how to do a manual configuration in
modules.conf?
thanks
Jeff
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From: Robert Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:09:31 -0700
We had mostly Apple II (CA, USA)
Jon Skeet wrote:
> Ataris and C64s in the classroom? Interesting... which country was that
> in? In the UK I believe most schools used BBC Micros.
--
Robert Crawford
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.snowcrest.net/robertc
Linux and vi, the choice powertools of the next century.
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From: David Mcilroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Starting StarOffice as Non-Installation User
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:03:04 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vincent Fox wrote:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Adrian Geekie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Good Day
>
> >I installed StarOffice 5.1 when logged in as root. I am running RedHat
> >Linux 5.2. When I log in as any other user and try to star StarOffice,
> >the disk makes a lot of noise but nothing hapens. No error messages,
> >nothing.
> >How do I start StarOffice when logged in as a user other than root?
> >Anybody know.
>
> Get another key and re-install as that user. You will note
> when you got the software it talked about being a *personal*
> copy. This means you as Joe may run it. As Bob, you have to
> do the whole thing over again. Massively annoying.
>
> --
> "Who needs horror movies when we have Microsoft"?
> -- Christine Comaford, PC Week, 27/9/95
I disagree. (This is in the documentation!)
Uninstall SO5.1 (rm -rf), then reinstall it as root using the command
"./setup /net"
Then, as each individual, run ./setup _FROM THE bin DIRECTORY WHERE YOU INSTALLED
SO5.1,
NOT WHERE YOU UNTARED IT._
Choose a workstation install, and you're up and running!
David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S.)
Subject: Re: shakiness with ATI Xpert 98 8M
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:36:31 GMT
Mine does the same thing. I thought mine was this crappy monitor
though!! It actully seems to come and go in Windows but it's always
there under Linux.
Stephen
www.mass-pc.com
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:35:45 -0700, Ronald Haynes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, I am using an ATI Xpert 98 card configured
>with SAX, SUSE 6.1, 1024x768 resolution.
> I didn't notice it at first
>but now I am detecting a shimmy effect along the edges
>(left and right) not top and bottom.
>
>It is especially noticable with windows with one
>or both edges positioned near the edge of the display.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>R Haynes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Must root and swap partitions be primary?
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:11:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Duy D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You can't put LILO's boot block thingy on a logical partition.
>>
>> You *can* put it on an extended partition that *contains* logical
>> partitions, but some Linux tools don't know about this and don't
>> permit it (I remember a RedHat install not permitting this for
>> example; don't know what version).
>
>You *can* put LILO on a logical partition, but not an extended partition. You
>can't write data to an extended partition.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Each extended partition can contain up to four logical volumes itself.
>> So, you should be able to get up to 16 useful partitions, if you have
>> no primary partitions -- but I'd say it's not a good idea, as that
>> configuration is pretty unusual and isn't going to have been as
>> thoroughly tested.
>
>You can have only one extended partition on a disk, and I'm pretty sure you can
>have more than four logical partitions within the extended partition.
>1 extended partition + 3 primary partitions = 4 primary partitions.
>
According to my version of the Linux Partition Mini-HOWTO (from
4Nov97):
For compatibility reasons, the space occupied by all logical
partitions had to be accounted for. If you are using logical
partitions, one primary partition entry is marked as "extended
partition" and its starting and ending block mark the area occupied by
your logical partitions. This implies that the space assigned to all
logical partitions has to be contiguous. There can be only one
extended partition: no fdisk program will create more than one
extended partition.
Linux cannot handle more than a limited number of partitions per
drive. So in Linux you have 4 primary partitions (3 of them useable,
if you are using logical partitions) and at most 15 partitions
altogether on an SCSI disk (63 altogether on an IDE disk).
I believe the whole thing boils down to what the BIOS understands, again
from the HOWTO:
To install Linux, you will need at least one partition. If the kernel
is loaded from this partition (for example by LILO), this partition
must be readable by your BIOS. If you are using other means to load
your kernel (for example a boot disk or the LOADLIN.EXE MS-DOS based
Linux loader) the partition can be anywhere. In any case this
partition will be of type 0x83 "Linux native".
As I understand it then, hard paritions are specified on a particular
track the BIOS can read, logical partitions can be interpreted by code
in the kernel, but the kernel has to be loaded before it can start
interpreting them.
--
Cleave yourself to logodedaly and you cleave yourself from clarity
also: remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address -----
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to copy boot sector to another disk ???
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:11:04 GMT
maybe you have to point the kernel to the new root
device by using 'rdev /dev/hdc3' or so on the current
kernel. try a 'man rdev' to understand it better.
Then rerun lilo and reboot your system.
Jayan
Dajan Posavac wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Kit-pui Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Hello,
>
> : I am running Linux on hda3 as root disk. I am trying to
> : move the whole system to another disk (hdc). I have
> : managed to fdisk, mkfs and mount the new disk and dd
> : everything from the old hda3 onto hdc3.
> : I then run lilo after modifying the first line of
> : lilo.conf to
> : boot=dev/hdc
>
> : Then I re-cabled the new hdc to hda and try to boot
> : it. Disappointingly, it came out with grabbage.
>
> : Is there anything wrong with the the use of LILO ?
> : How can I simply copy the boot sector ? Will "tar"
> : or "dd", etc do it ?
>
> : Please drop a copy of your help to my email address:
> : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> : Many thanks in advance !
> : KiT
>
> Read /usr/doc/lilo/README for more information about this subject.
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From: Jayan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ftp/ncftp hang or timeout on large files
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:22:50 GMT
Why not try some command-line ftp programs
(just ftp or a little more guier with ncftp)
don't believe netscape.. it's becoming uglier by day
Jayan
"David A. Rogers" wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:41:19 +0200, Mats Pettersson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> speaketh saying:
> >David A. Rogers wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm running Redhat 5.2. Large (153 meg) downloads consistently hang or
> >> timeout at the very beginning. Zero bytes are downloaded. Anyone see this
> >> before?
> >
> >Just a thought, are you shure you have enough free diskspace?
> >
> >Mats
>
> Loads. Also this doesn't go for a while then hang. It never goes at all.
>
> Regards,
> dar
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Posted already for the third time
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:01:14 -0500
John McKown wrote:
>
> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:12:01 +0200, RT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hey,
> >
> >If have two problems with RED HAT 6.0 that I didn't had with the versions
> >5.0 and 5.2:
> >
> >1) after running updatedb is the computer crashing;
> >2) after rebuiding and compiling the kernel in an completely exact way (like
> >under 5.0 and 5.2) I get after rebooting under RED HAT 6.0 the following
> >message:
> > NO SETUP SIGNATURE FOUND......
> >and I cannot start the new kernel.
> >Under Red Hat 5.0 and 5.2 the new kernel started without any problem.
> >Who can help me for resolving this two problems? Thank in advance.
>
> 1) I noticed that RedHat 6.0 replaced the updatedb/locate commands with
> the single command slocate. I don't know why updatedb would crash Linux,
> but you might want to change to the new way of doing things. slocate is
> in the slocate-1.4-7.i386.rpm . Perhaps using this new facility would
> be easier than trying to fix updatedb?
Under RH6.0, updatedb is a link to slocate.
What you report is definitely not normal behavior, so there
is something wrong with your installation.
I would suggest that you consider installing RH6.0 from scratch
if you can't identify the problem.
If you do install it from scratch doing a custom
install and leaving the partitioning alone, your home partition
should not be affected if it is a separate partition. If it
isn't you will have to save it first.
>
> 2) The message about "NO SETUP SIGNATURE FOUND" is in the file
> /usr/src/linux/i386/boot/setup.S
> It indicates that the program thinks that LILO did not load the kernel
> correctly. Are you sure you remembered to do the /sbin/lilo after
> moving the new kernel to /boot?
>
> I hope this was of at least some help to you,
> John
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Power Failures & Linux ?
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:53:15 -0500
"Gordon D. Anderson" wrote:
>
> I know about uninterruptable power supplies but can't go
> there just yet. My question is:
> For a single-user home system, just how serious are power
> failures? There have been several outages lately and my
> system always seems to recover, though it takes a little
> time. I know that I can lose data not yet stored, but is
> there any danger to applications or to the set-up of Linux
> or X ? Thanks.
Sometimes fsck can't fix a file system automatically,
so you have to boot single user and do it manually. Every
time I've had to do that, I just gave the default answer
to every question without fully understanding what I was
doing, and all went well. I've done this fairly often
over the last ten years or so, mostly with SunOS, but I
can only think of one or two occasions where some crucial
files were damaged and more work was required. So you
are probably pretty safe. We haven't bothered getting
UPSs for any but out most crucial machines, and we haven't
had any real disasters yet. But we have had a hard disk
fail because of a power failure/fluctuation despite using
surge protectors. For us this has probably been a less
than one in one hundred event, but unfortunately the last
time it happened, it was my hard disk. Fortunately, we
were well backed up and I was able to reinstall the OS
on a new disk and recover my home directory from tape.
I would definitely recommend tape or other backup because
of such a possibility, even for a standalone system.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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