Linux-Misc Digest #408, Volume #21 Sun, 15 Aug 99 14:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Modem Sharing with Win95 (Crisis Manager)
Re: my drive got packed (Leonard Evens)
Re: Autoraising windows in Gnome? (Leonard Evens)
Re: News Server (John Thompson)
Re: Text Editor (Peter Caffin)
Re: Linux BIGGEST Problem-Must Read (Peter Caffin)
Clothes design software for Linux? (Faheem Mitha)
Pidentd ("Jeff Grossman")
Quake turns off my monitor! (Scott Maxwell)
Re: Please look at these kernel error messages..! (Andy Johnstone)
Re: help:modify kernel: console on serial port.(banging head against wall) (Andy
Johnstone)
Hong Kong's Linux Portal ("����")
Re: Pentiume III serial number (John Hasler)
can't change resolution in with gnome ("simon")
How to access fonts in Netscape? (Cevat Ustun)
ftpwho not working correctly (Dave)
Re: guaranteed annual income (Bloody Viking)
Re: DVD (Christopher Gil)
Re: Viewing bootup messages RH 5.2 (Colin Smith)
Re: Busco informacion sobre el impacto de Linux y del movimiento Open Source en
America Latina (Mario Melendez Esquivel)
Re: Internet access with ASDL (Rod Smith)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Crisis Manager)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Modem Sharing with Win95
Reply-To: Anybody who listens
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:07:30 GMT
Yes, you can use WinGate. Works quite well.
http://www.wingate.com/download.htm
CM
On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:50:14 -0500, Mark Mykkanen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has anyone ever tried or know if it is even possible to run a linux client
>that connects to a win95 machine using the win95's modem over a network?
>I know it is possible to have linux share a modem, but can win95 share a
>modem that a linux client can use?
>
>- Mark
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: my drive got packed
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:11:58 -0500
Shah Parag S wrote:
>
> hi,
> this may sound weird, but yesterday when i was using my linux
> system, i had a power down that lasted for a minute. Later when i switched
> on and booted to linux it said that my /home partition was full 100% (df)
> and i had 'no space left on device'. So i could not compile my c progs in
> gcc also.
> strange enough but could have been caused by a bug in the disk
> driver, i guess. Any clues, pls let me know.
> thanx in advance.
>
> cheers,
> parag
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've seen this happen in / because of files in tmp or /var,
but not usually in /home. But one possibility is that you
have an enormous core file. Do
find /home -name core -ls
It is also possible that your program was writing to the disk
and in the instant before the power down was caused to write
a lot of garbage to your disk. You can also use du to look
for large files. Check the man page to see how best to use
it.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Autoraising windows in Gnome?
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:56:08 -0500
Michael Edson wrote:
>
> OK, I give up. Maybe it's in the (unindexed) manual
> somewhere, but I can't find it. How do I rig Gnome so that
> when I click on a program in the Gnome pager it not only
> gets the focus, but also is automatically raised? There's
> an Enlightenment option to autoraise windows if you give
> them the focus with the keyboard, and that works, but I
> can't find anything anywhere that will do it with the Gnome
> pager, short of changing the window manager to fvwm95, which
> pretty much blottos Gnome.
>
> Note real email: mmedson at att dot net.
>
> Thanks.
I'm not sure this answers your question, but if you mean the
rectangle representing the window on the panel, then upgrade
your enlightenment package. I have
enlightenment-0.15.5-37
and clicking on the rectangle raises the window to the top.
You may also have to upgrade gnome-core and gnome-libs, which
I have also done.
You can download upgrades from the usual RedHat mirror sites,
but also from www.gnome.org.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: News Server
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 07:27:11 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there any way of determining what software an ISP's news server is
> using.
>
> Someone recently posted lynx -head -dump http://www.foo.com as a way of
> identifying web server software and I was hoping there was some other
> little trick for identyfying a news server.
>
> I have no practical reason for wanting to know this. Just curiosity.
Just telnet to the server on port 119:
[john@starfleet john]$ telnet rhino_house 119
Trying 192.168.0.1...
Connected to rhino_house.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 Changi NNTP server ready (posting ok).
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Text Editor
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:48:29 +0000
Suddn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I telnet into my Linux server from a windows box. I need to work with text
> files (C++ Source) but I hate the VI editor. Is there any editors that are,
> well, more user friendly that will work?
vim (vi but with better help),
pico (very simple, comes with pine but can also be found separately),
ae (tiny but with useful help),
joe (Wordstar-like movement),
sed (stream editor, useful for regular expressions handling functions
you might otherwise have needed vi for)
jed (apparently good for programmers; haven't used it myself)
jove ("Johnathans Own Version of EMACS"; haven't used it)
zed (apparently very configurable; haven't used it)
--: _ _ _ _
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/ PO Box 869, Hillarys WA 6923, AUSTRALIA |
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From: Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux BIGGEST Problem-Must Read
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:16:16 +0000
MattCero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The more people who can install it successfully, the more PCs will have it
>and then the more people will have reason to write software for it and
>perhaps make some money on the side.
I think you're mistaken in thinking that the profit motive is the reason
most people program for Linux. While your thinking is true of the Microsoft
world, people tend to program for Linux in order to solve a problem that
they've needed a solution for. Once they've got the solution they need,
they often share it with others, who may have ideas on how to improve on
this.
>if people can't install the dog gone thing (Linux) then
>how the hell is the operator base ever to grow big enough to snowball into
>something what MS is today?
Personally, I have reservations about the idea of Linux taking the core
userbase of MS-Windows. In order to make an install simple for someone
who doesn't know what they're doing, one must remove choices which may be
confusing to the newbie. However, by removing the choices, you're removing
the primary advantage that Linux has over its competition (both against
Microsoft and against the commercial UNIXes); its flexibility.
>Well most of the help FAQs I read all assume
>people can log onto the internet with a fully operable Linux machine. HELLO!
>Remember the first step, We have to install it and get it to run first.
In which case, read the HOWTO which deals with PPP connection ;).
>Most
>people 'trying' this new OS will only have access to the internet using their
>old OS which is probably Windows. [...] How can I download
>the thing using my MS Windows
>based internet connection, AND THEN put it in my /tmp directory when I reboot
>in Linux. YA, THE PARTITION THINGY GETS IN THE WAY A LITTLE DOESN'T IT!? It
>will be especially hard if it's too big to fit on one floppy!
Download your file/s under MS-Windows. Boot Linux. Then mount your MS-Windows
partition under /mnt somewhere. Viola! Your file's accessible.
>So tell me, if there's a file out there to
>get my ASUS 3800 TVR working properly in Linux on some web site, in some tar,
>tgz, rpm or whatever format,
No idea. The search engines are your friend ;).
>could the manual explain how to take things off a floppy and on the Linux
>partition if it does fit on a floppy?
Yes, they do. `mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy` should do the trick.
>Even if I get over into my /tmp
>directory, the setup after that is like the early days of DOS.
This is a user-interface quibble. Personally, I think the text configuration
inherent in Linux is a plus.
>I'm sure
>there's a way but do you honestly think the average user wants to tinker with
>their computer for a few days when Windows installs most of the time as
>advertised with little tinkering?
Such is the price you pay for flexibility in an OS.
>The Red Hat folks need (well, to hire me for
>project mgmt/development) to assume that getting it installed/running properly
>and viewable is the most important obstacle they'll face. After that, people
>can then, for the most part, use the GUI to figure things out.
Redhat are no doubt aiming for this very pinnacle. However, the downside to
this is that when things go wrong, an awful lot of Redhat users (the newbies
in particular) are very lost on what to do to find answers.
>Does this make any sense to people or am I just philosiphising
>pointlessly?
An awful lot of people share your viewpoint. Though I'm not one of them.
The system you would like is not one I'd enjoy. But the nice thing about
the Linux community is the diversity of distributions and their interface
goals.
Best of luck with your entry to the world of Linux.
--: _ _ _ _
_oo__ |_|_ |__ _ | _ |_|_o _ peter at ptcc dot it dot net dot au |
//`'\_ | (/_|(/_| |_(_|| | || | http://it.net.au/~pc |
/ PO Box 869, Hillarys WA 6923, AUSTRALIA |
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From: Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Clothes design software for Linux?
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:50:04 -0400
Dear Linux people,
My mother is interested in finding out about software
that can be used for designing clothes. I did a quick Web search, and
there seems to be a good deal of stuff out there, but all the stuff I
found runs under Windows, as you would expect. I understand that general
purpose graphics programs like Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw and AutoCAD
are used for clothes design as well as more specialised software like
Custom Patternmaker, an add-on program to AutoCAD. My question is, does
anyone know of similar programs that are available for Linux? I don't
expect that there is much of free software available for something so
specialised.
A copy of any reply to my email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be much
appreciated.
Sincerely, Faheem Mitha
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From: "Jeff Grossman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,msn.computingcentral.os.linux
Subject: Pidentd
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:25:34 -0700
Hello,
When I installed the rpm for identd from the Redhat CD, it would display a
lot of information in the messages log file. Like who the user was that it
sent information for, etc. I have since upgraded to the latest version, but
I compiled the source myself and removed the rpm file. But, now it only
says in.identd: started. It does not tell me anything anymore, like who
requested the information, user, etc.
How do I get this information back?
Thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeff Grossman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Subject: Quake turns off my monitor!
From: Scott Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 Aug 1999 10:07:52 -0700
Just bought and installed the official Linux Quake package. When I
run squake from a VC, my monitor goes into DPMS OFF mode. Any idea
how to fix this?
My setup: Creative Graphics Blaster Exxtreme (Permedia 2 chip, 4 MB),
Red Hat 5.2, kernel 2.0.36, libvga 1.3.0; can't think of anything else
relevant.
--
=========================+============================================
R H L U Scott Maxwell: | ``Life results from the non-random survival
E A I X s-max@ | of randomly varying replicators.''
D T N 5 pacbell.net | -- Richard Dawkins
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From: Andy Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please look at these kernel error messages..!
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:46:30 -0400
hda: status error: status=0xff {Busy}
hda: drive not ready for command
ide0: reset: success
I get that error now and then too. Since this is a new box, i've been moving
hardware in and outof it from time to time, but the seagate master on ide0 states
constant. I actually haven't had it in a while, which is good but i'd like to know
if something is wrong ad how to fix it if i see it again.
thanks for any help
andy
Torsten Howard wrote:
> Hello,
> I get similar messages with my CD-ROM.
>
> If your Linux is fsck'ing the drive on every
> boot, the OS is not properly unmounting the
> drives.
>
> This can be related to some setup problem,
> I think, because when that happened to me,
> I resetup Linux and the problem went away.
>
> Has something to do with setting disk
> partitions/disk geometry during fdisk'ing
> the drive initially.
>
> Later,
> Torsten
>
> Marcelo Glusman wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > After my 3.2GB disk crashed, I had it replaced with a 6.4GB new one.
> > I reinstalled RH5.1, and the kernel started giving error messages (in
> > /var/adm/messages..)
> > I installed RH6 (on different partitions) and got the same errors.
> >
> > (1) - I would like to get pointers to UPDATED literature on the limitations
> > about
> > boot partitions, lilo, etc. Many people are posting related questions...
> > (2) - How do I check if my boot partition is below cylinder 1024? Should I do
> > it?
> >
> > (3) - Now to the messages: (I copied them by hand via piece of paper, so they
> > are not
> > precise...)
> >
> > hda: lost interrupt
> > hda: status error: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest}
> > hda: drive not ready for command
> > ide0: reset: success
> > ----
> > hda: lost interrupt
> > hda: read_intr: status=0x50 {DriveReady SeekComplete}
> > ----
> > hda: irq timeout: status=0x58 { blah blah }
> > ide0: reset: success
> > ----
> > hda: status error: status=0xff {Busy}
> > hda: drive not ready for command
> > ide0: reset: success
> >
> > The messages appear randomly but quite often (every now and then, not
> > constantly)
> > They seem to cause damage to the computation, since some software (a theorem
> > prover)
> > reinstalled after the crash is not working properly.
> > Also, after properly shutting down, there are "slow" (fsck-needing) boots,
> > which shouldn't be.
> >
> > I will greatly appreciate any of the following info:
> > - directions to another relevant info source
> > - any diagnostic, like "Your new disk is broken!" or "check this and that
> > jumper/connection"
> > - etc etc
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Marcelo Glusman
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED] )
> >
> > PS: Please send a copy of your answer (or any complains) to my private address
> > too.
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From: Andy Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: help:modify kernel: console on serial port.(banging head against wall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:34:05 -0400
Recompile your kernel with make bzImage instead of bImage. That should
make the kernel smaller. i'm not sure how to redirect the console to the
serial port, but it sounds like if you get your kernel working you'll be
ok.
andy
Abe Lin wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been banging my head against the wall for the past month for
> this:
>
> To make a boot/root disk set for our RAID server, and which will
> output console to serial port.
>
> The compiled kernel's around 1130K at the least for our 2.2.5 kernel,
> and lilo21 wasn't able to install the kernel.(vmlinuz too big)
>
> Is there some way to modify the kernl to do this/or some way to make
> the lilo work?
>
> Thanks,
> shuo
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pentiume III serial number
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:55:47 GMT
Justin B Willoughby writes:
> I think the Linux kernel disables this by default.
Why bother? The serial number can only be read by code running on your
cpu. Don't run any such software and the number won't get sent.
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From: "simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: can't change resolution in with gnome
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:01:34 +0100
Hi,
earlier in the week I upgraded my system from RH5.2 to RH6.0.
I had my 5.2 system setup to boot into KDE for other users, and the standard
X for root (fvwm2 ?).
I figured it would be nice to try out gnome with RH6.0, but this has caused
some problems. Although i do like the look of gnome, and it seems to be
happy to let me use kde whenever I want, I can no longer run my desktop at
1152x864.
I have tried running Xconf and adding 1152x864 as a supported reolution, but
that seems to screw up some part of gnome, as it starts complaining about
gdm having been murdered or something weird.
I have also tried directly editing the /etc/X11/XF86Config but that seems to
upset gnome too... in fact if all I do is add the extra resolution in the
list of supported modes, then the system takes a long time to login, and
when I get in I find it has deleted the settings I added.
How can I change my resolution ?!
Thanks,
Simon
p.s. I run X at 1152x864, as I dual-boot my system with Win98, and it lets
my monitor differenciate the two... that way I don't have to play with
picture position settings all the time.
system info:
Abit BX6 r2.0 motherboard USBSupp.exe, setupex.exe
Celeron 300 @450
128M SDRAM (10ns)
Diamond Viper 330 AGP (Nvidia 2.77 build drivers) Nvidia reference drivers
NxR 12MB Voodoo2 3Dfx reference drivers
Creative Labs AWE64 Gold (Latest Drivers) Latest 'Labs drivers
Internal U.S. Robotics Winmodem 33.6 (56K upgrade) V.90 upgrade
CTX1792UA monitor
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From: Cevat Ustun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to access fonts in Netscape?
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:15:56 -0400
I am trying to use some true type fonts
with linux using xfstt. The installation
was fine but now I can't access these new
fonts from Netscape (4.07) . For instance if I select
an arbitrary encoding scheme, the Fonts menu
won't let me change the fonts used for it.
Is there any way to getting around this
problem manually? Thanks,
CU
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ftpwho not working correctly
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:18:49 GMT
I installed RH 6.0, ftpwho does not show the user information correctly.
Service class anon:
1 ? S 0:03 init [3]
- 1 users ( 4 maximum)
I upgraded to wu-ftpd-2.5.0-3, still it does not show the user information
with ftpwho. Is this a RedHat problem or the way the RPM was compilled?
I have RH5.1 and wu-ftpd-2.4.2b18-2.1 on another machine and it works fine.
--
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From: Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: guaranteed annual income
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:18:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: You seem to think work is some kind of universally loathsome
: punishment and we'd all be better off if we could sit on our asses all
: day and never progress. Many people actually derive satisfaction from
: being productive and would be bored stupid if all they had to do was
: sit on their ass all day watching TV.
The question here is the seemingly bizarre concept of Job Satisfaction.
Most people do hate their jobs. After all, a cynic can easally say that if
work was so enjoyable, they wouldn't have pay you to do it! This is the
case with the starving-artist type of actor. Such an actor normally has a
day job to pay the bills.
A situation like the starving actor can occur with computering too, like
my exact case. I have a "day job" to pay the bills and I'm a Linux fan. My
social life also follows a pattern much like a starving actor too. Indeed,
my socialising is similar to acting, whereby I intentionally use dialects
and think of it like acting. In this state, I see my job as like a day
job as an actor will.
However, I see a value in work itself. If I ever won the lottery, I'd
likely buy a bar in which case I would bar-tend so as to create the
structure of a job yet be social the way I know how.
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From: Christopher Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
athome.users-unix,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DVD
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:04:20 GMT
Chris Lu wrote:
> Can someone tell me if DVD drives are supported under Linux? Will I be able
> to watch DVD movies, use DVD software?
>
> Thanks a lot!
Well,
I own a cdrecorder and use record and in the
man page it leaves space for DVD recording. so
i must assume that if it can record... there is a chance
that it might unencode also?
good luck
Christopher Gil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Smith)
Subject: Re: Viewing bootup messages RH 5.2
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:51:06 +0100
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:06:18 -0700, Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This doesn't show the services starting, as in:
>
>starting httpd: httpd
>starting syslogd: syslogd
>starting atd: atd
>etc...
>
>It just shows the boot messages up to that point. I'm getting some
>weird message tward the last services starting, anywhere else I can
>check?
/var/log/messages
or
The startup messages are generated by scripts which are stored in the
/etc/rc.d/init.d directory, each script is called with an argument of
start or stop to start and stop the service. ie. "httpd start" to
start the web server. The order of the services starting and which
services are started is controlled by the run level; This is
defined in your /etc/inittab file and will look something like
id:5:initdefault:
The scripts in the /etc/rc.d/rc5.d are symbolic links to the
/etc/rc.d/init.d scripts and will be executed in order on
start up. Scripts which begin with S will be executed with a start
argument and scripts which begin with K will be executed with a stop
argument.
K08autofs
K20nfs
K20rstatd
K20rusersd
K20rwalld
K20rwhod
K30mcserv
K50snmpd
K55routed
K95nfsfs
S05apmd
S10network
S11portmap
S15netfs
S20random
S30syslog
S40atd
S40crond
S50inet
S55named
S60lpd
S60nfs
S65sendmail
S70setiathome
S75keytable
S80postgres
S80sendmail
S85gpm
S85sound
S90xfs
S95fetchmail
S99linuxconf
S99local
You can check which services are giving a problem by stopping
them and starting them manually as root.
ie
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90xfs stop
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90xfs start
>
>
>coffee wrote:
>>
>> Warren Bell wrote:
>> >
>> > What file stores the boot up messages, like:
>> >
>> > starting amd: amd
>> > starting httpd: httpd
>> > starting sendmail: sendmail
>> > etc..
>> >
>> > I'm seeing a couple messages that I want to check out but they're going
>> > by too fast.
>> >
>> > Warren Bell
>> > --
>> > ####### Remove ERASE to reply #######
>>
>> Just type in 'dmesg' at the prompt and it will display
>> the boot up messages. Then use your shift/pgup/pgdown to move
>> around and view.
>>
>> --
>> Newbie Problems? Visit www.indy.net/~coffee for help
>> coffee at indy dot net * ICQ 1614986
>> Kokomo, Indiana, USA
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mario Melendez Esquivel)
Crossposted-To:
soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.honduras,soc.culture.el-salvador,soc.culture.nicaragua,soc.culture.costa-rica,soc.culture.colombia,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.ecuador,soc.culture.peru,soc.culture.bolivia,soc.culture.chi
Subject: Re: Busco informacion sobre el impacto de Linux y del movimiento Open Source
en America Latina
Date: 15 Aug 1999 17:05:50 GMT
In article <7p19m5$dnm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Justin Wolfe wrote:
>Soy un academico en los Estado Unidos interesado en el impacto de Linux y
>del movimiento Open Source en America Latina. Busco una diversidad de
>opiniones--de estudiantes, professionales, activistas, cualquier tipo de
>persona. Aunque ustedes pueden responder en este newsgroup, me gustaria
>recibir e-mail directo a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet access with ASDL
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:32:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote:
>>
>> Works for me. My ISP supplied a Cisco 675 router programmed as a DHCP
>> server and my SuSE runs a DHCP client. I have tier one service (384Kb)
>> and my download speeds vary between 27Kb/sec and 37 Kb/sec, which is
>> about 10 times faster than my old 56Kb modem download speed.
>
> That performance of a 37Kb/s (< 5KB/s) is way too slow as compared to a
> cable modem which gives an average of 100KB/s. Let's say that you meant
> a 37KB/s, it still is slower than a cable modem. May be you need to ask
> your ISP to unlock more juice for your connection (it is like a water
> pipe that you need to turn the faucet more).
As you suggest, Jerry Kreps probably meant 27-37KB/s, not Kb/s. As to
the rest, cable and DSL are a bit different in how their speeds work.
DSL provides a fixed maximum speed, and you're likely to get close to
that speed at all times (aside from bottlenecks on the Internet as a
whole). With cable modems, the maximum speed is shared between all
subscribers on that portion of the network, so if you use the system when
nobody else in on, you'll get blazing performance; but if you use it when
everybody else in your neighborhood is downloading big files, you'll get
much worse performance. (The same thing can happen with DSL, but the
bottlenecks are a bit further upstream, and therefore easier for the
provider to upgrade as demand increases.) Naturally, DSL advocates claim
that DSL is better overall, and cable advocates claim that cable is
better overall. My own opinion is that the dust has far from settled. A
lot will depend on how both cable and DSL providers cope with the
increasing demand for their services. As somebody else pointed out, too,
many people have no choice, since only one (or neither!) type of service
is available in many areas. I fall into that category, with no cable
modem service available at the moment.
FWIW, speeds of 27-37KBps over DSL are likely reasonable if the service is
a 384Kbps downstream service, which is the current low-end service from
many providers. Others have a low end of 640Kbps downstream (that's what
Bell Atlantic offers, and what I use from them). Depending upon distance
from the central office, it's usually possible to upgrade the speed to
768Kbps, 1.6Mbps, or more. These are all downstream speeds (Internet to
you). Both cable and ADSL are asymmetric technologies, and typically
provide slower upstream speeds. For instance, Bell Atlantic's low end is
actually 640Kbps downstream and 90Kbps upstream. Other DSL variants, like
SDSL, provide the same speed in both directions, but these are typically
priced much higher than ADSL.
Oh, and for the original poster, this has already been said, but Linux
works fine with DSL (and with most cable modems). As far as Linux is
concerned, it's just an Ethernet link. One caveat: Be sure you get an
*EXTERNAL* modem, not an internal one. The internal models are
specialized network cards for which no Linux drivers yet exist, AFAIK.
Most DSL providers seem to provide external modems by default, or give you
a choice, so this shouldn't be a big deal.
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Rod Smith
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http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que
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