Linux-Misc Digest #432, Volume #21 Tue, 17 Aug 99 04:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Quake II under Linux ("patti00")
Re: "serial line is looped back"? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: why not C++? (Phil Howard)
Re: Attension !!! I can not instal 2nd linux in same disk (Vilmos Soti)
Ann: 'javadoc' like Documentation Generator For C++ (ObjectSoftware)
Re: alsa help (Michael McConnell)
Re: HELP:NETSCSAPE WONT SHOW MY MAIL! (Vilmos Soti)
Re: Apache User's Directory (Wayne Power)
X not found ! by 'configure' for FVWM (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: How to Acess Directory with a space in the Name? (Vilmos Soti)
Re: getting winmodem to work (Richard Hernandez)
Re: Compile errors with Kernel 2.2.6 (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Apache User's Directory ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Using old libc for older software (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Netscape mail import (Philipp Maier)
Re: why not C++? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Many found Mdk6 couldn't shutdown (Hankel O'Fung)
Re: Ethernet on Compaq Linux Compatible? (Peter S. Frouman)
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From: "patti00" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Quake II under Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:32:05 -0700
What is the game-speed difference between QII under Win95 and Linux?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: "serial line is looped back"?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:58:35 -0400
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 08/17/99
at 01:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn) said:
>A: Probably your connection script hasn't successfully dialled out to the
>remote system and invoked ppp service there. Instead, pppd is talking to
>something which is just echoing back the characters it receives. The -v
>option to chat can help you find out what's going on. It can be useful
>to include "~" as the last expect string to chat, so chat won't return
>until it's seen the start of the first PPP frame from the remote system.
>Another possibility is that your phone connection has dropped for some
>obscure reason and the modem is echoing the characters it receives from
>your system.
Actually I had read this but after struggling with configuring PPP, it's
finally starting to make some real sense. Thank you for pointing me back
to the docs!
I have three servers I want to log onto by PPP. I've figured out how to do
it with two of them! The third one, I think, involves a password problem
(I don't have it) and as soon as the admin answers my entreaties, I think
I'll be able to log on to it easily. I think the 'serial line loop back'
problem comes from my not having the correct password.
The next challenge: linking the laptop (linux) to the desktop (os/2). But
that can wait...<g>.
I'm pleased. Thanks for the help!
F.
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Felmon John Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Union College / Schenectady, NY
- insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Howard)
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:40:02 GMT
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:56:20 -0700 Randall Parker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
| I think the real problem with C++ and heap memory is that too many
| programmers who use C++ do not understand how much all the stuff they are
| writing is fragmenting the heap.
Of course. They tend to be abstraction oriented applications programmers.
Details? We don't need no steenkin details! :-)
| Watching various (in many cases dangerous) programmers using C++ it has
| been my experience that new seems to be more natural to them (ie they are
| less likely to hesitate before using it) than is malloc. So they just use
| it mad.
Many also seem to be less likely to hesitate to skip object oriented design
and jump right into object oriented coding. It's still object oriented so
they feel the objective (sorry) is met.
| I think it takes far greater discipline to write good C++ than good C
| even though in theory the syntax of C++ ought to encourage the users to
| think more about the design and partitioning of a problem. In practice
| they don't know how to partition things into objects, they thrash and
| fragment the heap, and they consume way more memory and do much more
| copying around of data.
The thing I think has really happened with C++ is that it has made it so
easy to program object oriented code, that so many ill-prepared programmers
have joined in, that much C++ code out there is assumed to be object
oriented only because it was written in C++ and uses many object classes.
Many, many, good C++ programmers do things the right way, but there is a
huge set of programmers that know OO is good, C++ is OO, and therefore
their C++ is OO ... they don't know what object oriented design is.
--
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From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Attension !!! I can not instal 2nd linux in same disk
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:57:35 GMT
Unknown wrote:
>
> I tried without any success .
> because it is same id83 root assigned
> and Redhat gave message couldn't create root partision because root partion
> already
> exist There is no problem create Unix root partion because Unix partision
> has different Id
> Try it !!!!!!!!!!
>
> > Because root directory already assigned to Caldera I can not create
> second
> > root directory
> > to RedHat 6
Hi,
There is no such thing "root directory already assigned to Caldera I can
not create second root directory". The misunderstanding comes from the
MS world where the C: drive has to be a primary partition *AND* has to
be the active one. In Linux, the active flag has nothing to do. What do
you use for your disk setup? Disk Druid? If yes, start using fdisk.
Although fdisk might be harder (I have never tried Disk Druid), but it
gives you complete control (and knowledge) what's going on with your
disk. To create another "root" partition is merely creating another
partition either primary or logical. And when you want to boot into that
partition, tell the kernel where it is. In lilo.conf, you are supposed
to specify the location of the root partition. In fact, you can use the
same kernel to boot different partitions. Or if you use loadlin, then
you have to specify the root on the command line.
Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ObjectSoftware)
Subject: Ann: 'javadoc' like Documentation Generator For C++
Date: 17 Aug 1999 06:01:39 GMT
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: alsa help
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:30:43 +0100
What are the settings of your soundcard (as set by isapnptools) ?
If you don't know, please _email_ me your isapnp.conf file.
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
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On 16 Aug 1999, Matt Garman wrote:
> I have an Soundblaster AWE 32 Plug'n'Play card. I had it working with
> the ALSA drivers version 0.3.0-pre4 and using isapnptools (I did not
> compile isapnp support into my ALSA drivers).
>
> So, I thought I'd try and upgrade the ALSA drivers to 0.3.2, and have
> ALSA do the plug'n'play stuff, rather than isapnptools (since the AWE
> 32 is my only p'n'p card).
>
> So, if I compile and install, run the snddevices script, everything
> seems to go okay, until I try loading the modules with the following
> commands:
>
> /sbin/modprobe snd-sbawe
> /sbin/modprobe snd-pcm1-oss
>
> Upon doing this, I get the following error:
>
> /lib/modules/2.2.10/misc/snd-sbawe.o: init_module: Device or resource
> busy
> snd: Device or resource busy
>
> I didn't do anything with /etc/conf.modules or configure any pnp
> parameters otherwise, and I think that is my problem. I don't know
> where or how to do this.
>
> Here's the other problem:
>
> I decided to try ALSA v0.3.2 compiled without isapnp built-in, and
> using the old reliable isapnptools. I compile, make install,
> snddevices, then run the two commands mentioned above, and everything
> seems okay.
>
> But, wmmixer (a Window Maker dock mixer application) doesn't work; it
> gives the following error:
>
> wmmixer : Unable to open mixer device '/dev/mixer'.
> wmmixer : Sorry, no supported channels found.
>
> And if I try to use "amixer" from the alsa-utils package, I get the
> following output when I run it with no arguments:
>
> crh3019:~% amixer
> amixer: Specify command...
>
> And the amixer man page says that it's supposed to list available
> channels when it is run with no arguments. Obviously nothing is
> coming up.
>
> Anyone know what to do with either of these problems?
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
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From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP:NETSCSAPE WONT SHOW MY MAIL!
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:06:00 GMT
Ken and Kara Plaks wrote:
>
> Help!
>
> I upgraded to netscape 4.6.1 to get 128 bit encryption. I am running
> RH5.2 with KDE 1.1.1 and using a cable modem. Now my inbox will fetch
> new email from the server, the little text window will increment (i.e. 3
> unread, 4 Total), but I cannot see the messages on the panel. I checked
> the FAQ and made sure the view->messages->all is selected, but it didn't
Hello,
I had similar problems before but with fetchmail. Maybe it applies to
you. So, I used fetchmail to download my mail, but I couldn't inc them.
Finally I figured out the problem. Because some dumb machines I had to
send mail didn't accept if my machine's name was localhost, not even the
correct name belonging to my dynamic IP address (changed on the fly
every time I logged on), I had to resort to using another machine's name
as mine. It was a name belonging to my ISP. However, my mail got
fetched, but it didn't get delivered. I figured out fetchmail delivers
the just fetched mail to sendmail, and it will deliver it locally. So,
possibly sendmail sent it somewhere else. You might check out
/var/log/maillog for this. My solution was to use localhost as my
machine's name, but when I had to send mail to those machines which
didn't accept it, for that time I had to impersonate (only the name)
another machine.
So, I would recommend you checking out if your machine's name is
configured correctly.
Vilmos
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From: Wayne Power <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Apache User's Directory
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:06:47 -0400
You want to read up on the Options directive in the Apache documentation.
By default, Apache disallows some things that are potential security holes,
including following symbolic links.
Enjoy,
--wmp
Jack Cheng wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about the Apache using symbol link, let's say /home/jack
> was moved to /data/home/jack, and I created a symbol link to the root
> directory with the command :
>
> ln -s /data/home /home
>
> So, the user's home directory will point to the new location
> (/data/home/jack).
>
> But I get a error messages
>
> jack@localhost>lynx localhost/~jack
>
> HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /~jack on this server.
>
> How can I fix the problem, or can I use the symbol link in Apache?
>
> BTW, I using the RH6.0 and Apache-1.3.6-7
>
> Best Regard
> Jack Cheng
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X not found ! by 'configure' for FVWM
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:21:46 GMT
I tried to install fvwm2 from source.
'configure' failed to find my X libraries !
It says :
X11/Xlib.h : No such file
X11/Xatom.h : No such file
X11/Xutil.h : No such file
Of course, I have all these files in /usr/X11R6/include/X11 !
I tried to run 'configure' with the following options (1 at a time) :
--with-include-file= <the above dir>
--with-libraries= <the above dir>
...
as the fvwm FAQ suggested, but the result was the same :
nothing... X was not found !
I don't understand the situation, as I installed the 'xpm' package
to its normal directory, so 'configure' should had found it anyway...
Can anyone help to solve this question ?
My system is a RedHat 5 Linux.
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From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to Acess Directory with a space in the Name?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:12:43 GMT
Niann Shiang wrote:
>
> deep sea. Worse than that is the directory I created under kde has a
> space in the dir name and emergency booting does not allow me to
> access the dir. Any advice ?
Hello,
Try the following:
cd "name with space"
cd 'name with space'
cd na*
cd and the [TAB] button.
Make it fit for your needs, of course.
Vilmos
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From: Richard Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting winmodem to work
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:16:41 -0700
Actually, I heard PC Tel is making a "Linmodem" which is a winmodem type
for Linux. The popularity with these modems is that system integrators
can save money by using one of these cheap modems. Wholesale price on
winmodems is around $17-20.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Compile errors with Kernel 2.2.6
Date: 17 Aug 1999 02:37:54 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sudhakar Govindarajan wrote:
> Im getting the following error when i tried compiling my recently
> downloaded 2.2.6 kernel
... a version which is over three months out of date.
> In file included from fatfs_syms.c:12:
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/msdos_fs.h:304:macro '_set_ver' used with
> too many (2) args.
> (All I did was do a make xconfig,
> make depend and make zdisk :-( )
Did you try running "make clean" or "make mrproper" first?
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Please do not post HTML to Usenet.
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Apache User's Directory
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:43:04 GMT
I think it's rather permission problem.
I'm in the same situation now.
But i didn't meet that kind if problem yet.
The permission of linked derectory is full permission,
and the important thing is adjusting permission of linked
directory.
I maybe 755.
World(O) must have x permission.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Cheng) wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about the Apache using symbol link, let's say
/home/jack
> was moved to /data/home/jack, and I created a symbol link to the root
> directory with the command :
>
> ln -s /data/home /home
>
> So, the user's home directory will point to the new location
> (/data/home/jack).
>
> But I get a error messages
>
> jack@localhost>lynx localhost/~jack
>
> HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /~jack on this server.
>
> How can I fix the problem, or can I use the symbol link in Apache?
>
> BTW, I using the RH6.0 and Apache-1.3.6-7
>
> Best Regard
> Jack Cheng
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Using old libc for older software
Date: 17 Aug 1999 02:33:06 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Red Hat newsgroups deleted.]
[The usual searchlinux end-of-line brokenness removed.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marshall Bowen wrote:
> Is there some way to toggle between libc version 5 and version 6.
> Redhat 6.0 has both and mentions including the older verion for
> compatability, but I don't know how to use the older version.
> Can ldconfig be used in some fashion for this?
Do you mean at compile time or at run time?
At compile time, you do it by running a cross-compiler, or the
regular compiler with a bunch of switches (see the Glibc HOWTO).
At run time, if the system is properly set up, the dynamic linker
should be able to choose automatically which libraries each
executable needs.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Philipp Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape mail import
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:04:48 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rod Pike wrote:
> Philipp Maier wrote:
> > Christopher Conway wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to move from Netscape Mail on Win98 to
> > > Linux, but the Linux version provides no mail import
> > > utility. I tried just copying over my mail dir, but
> > > the Linux version seems to have a problem with the
> > > *.snm files and sub-folders.
> > >
> > > 1) Does anybody have some advice on making the
> > > transition from Netscape Win --> Netscape Linux?
> >
> > AFAIK both formats are not compatible. Sorry...
> This is not good news. I am in a similar position although I would like
> to be able to read/compose email from both Win98 and Linux but share the
> same file area where messages are saved. If Netscape cannot do this,
> are there other applications that can?
Again, I am not an expert on this. However, most email programs are
supposed to support the same email standard (Netscape and Outlook are
exceptions). So if you use Eudora and, say, KMail, this should work.
Or you could simply use Pine...
Philipp Maier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:02:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Toss in G++, and there will doubtless be a *host* of new bugs, just
> 'cause the code isn't *nearly* as mature.
> I suggest M3 for three reasons:
> a) There are examples of OS kernels implemented in it (SPIN);
> b) There is actual merit to the idea, as M3, while "Wirthian," is
> nonetheless a fairly nice language, and most importantly,
> c) Since there's no subset in common with C, nobody will make the
> mistake of thinking that it's a quick port, as might be the case
> with C++.
I can hardly stand this ...
1.) IMHO it is best if the source corpus (the totality of all source
code of an operating system and its tools) is written in a single
language. The advantages are obvious: You just have to learn one
language, can concentrate on maintaining one compiler and not more,
you do not waste time by translating from one language into another,
can become a real expert on one language instead of having a more
vague knowledge of more languages and so on
2.) The language should be small and simple, kind of a "portable
machine language", we do not want to use recently developed
experimental language concepts. (Say things developed in the last
10 years.) (I admit that M3 is quite a stable thing.)
3.) Well, all of the above we have right now with C (ANSI C,
ISO C). We have a standard language. We can concentrate one
getting the job done in it. We do not have to waste time by
changing the language every 10 years rewriting all of the source
corpus and once its has stabilized after ten years to start
anew to rewrite in in the then-fashioned language.
Just keep on using C. Why mess it all up with M3, C++?
(Will someone come up with Java now?)
With kind regards
Andy Merkens
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From: Hankel O'Fung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Many found Mdk6 couldn't shutdown
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:52:43 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the information. I didn't get a "busy partition" message, but I'll try the
update.
Martin Gelfand wrote:
> Did you (and others with this problem) try applying any of the
> updates to Mandrake 6? The updates page notes that
> \begin{quote}
> Some users can experience a "busy partition" message at shutdown time.
> Solution: upgrade to initscripts-4.16-30mdk.i586.rpm and to
> kernel-2.2.9-27mdk.i586.rpm. An updated initscripts package is also
> available:
>
> rpm -Uvh initscripts-4.16-30mdk.i586.rpm
> rpm -ivh kernel-2.2.9-27mdk.i586.rpm
> \end{quote}
> Perhaps your problem is related?
> In any case, it's worth a try.
Cheers, Hankel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: Ethernet on Compaq Linux Compatible?
Date: 17 Aug 1999 07:46:49 GMT
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:12:39 GMT, Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm thinking of picking up a Compaq Deskpro 5133 with an Integrated 32-Bit
>PCI Ethernet Controller. Does anyone know if this integrated Ethernet card
>is Linux compatible? I'm on a student's budget and I don't want to spend
>more than I have to. Thanks.
It will probably work with the tlan driver. I think it is now included in
the kernel source and is also available at
ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/stuff/tlan.tgz
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