Linux-Misc Digest #437, Volume #21               Tue, 17 Aug 99 17:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  mem leak in 2.2.11 (Steven Ruby)
  Hard Shutdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  dumb add_timer() question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Problem with 'Sender:' headers (SuSE 6.0) (Darren Wyn Rees)
  Re: setup kmail to leave messages on server (Jeld The Dark Elf)
  Re: VMWare (Windows on Linux)? (Albert Ulmer)
  accessing windows files under linux ("Christopher Lu")
  Re: why not C++? (Raikanta Sahu)
  How to use SoftOSS for playing midi files? (Selim Jochim)
  Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Phillip Lord)
  Re: Troll (was: why not C++?) (Timo Tossavainen)
  Re: Printing to the printer from a C-Program (Chris Butler)
  Re: Debian binary?? (Chris Butler)
  Re: Any free SQL server available? (Chris Butler)
  Re: Kernel compiling (Sudhakar Govindarajan)
  Re: why not C++? (Tristan Wibberley)
  Re: why not C++? ("Arinte")
  RH 6.0 Which to d/l?? kermel....i386 or kernel...i586   or kernel....i686 or all of 
them (greenh)
  Linux Site with 100's of links (arty)
  Trade Show Representative - Linux (NetNation)
  Re: why not C++? (Nix)
  Re: why not C++? (Kaz Kylheku)
  Re: Yamaha DS-XG sound Card - Help! (Aaron Ginn)
  Looking for comparable apps in Linux from OS/2 (Zephyr Q)
  SIS 620 in high resolution ? ("Allix")

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From: Steven Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.kernel.general,redhat.general
Subject: mem leak in 2.2.11
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:30:52 GMT

has anyone had any problems with getting out of mem errors and machine
crashing with kernel 2.2.11, if so is there a known fix or is the fix not
using 2.2.11 :)!!

Steven Ruby
SysAdmin
Animus Communications

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hard Shutdown
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:37:58 GMT

When a hard shutdown is done on a linux machine, is there any way to
tell during the reboot process?  Our software, which currently runs on
Unix/Xenix, checks the /dev/recover file for some fsck output, and if
it finds the output it reindexes all the data files and does a clean up
of any bad data found.  I've read web pages, man pages, etc and can't
find a way to implement a similar functionality on Linux.  Any
suggestions?

Kadi


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: dumb add_timer() question
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:55:12 GMT

// itimetest.c
#include <linux/timer.h>
int main()
{
        timer_list tl;   // (todo: initialize tl properly!)
        add_timer( &tl);

}
[jclonts@deathstar cpp]$ g++ itimetest.c
/tmp/ccNO5zm3.o: In function `main':
/tmp/ccNO5zm3.o(.text+0xb): undefined reference to `add_timer(timer_list
*)'

So I'm trying to figure out, what do I link to to get access to this
kernel function?

Thanks,
John
john-clonts(AT)reliantenergy(DOT)com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Wyn Rees)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Problem with 'Sender:' headers (SuSE 6.0)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:13:47 GMT

A new install of  
                 SuSE Linux 6.0

which I bought some months ago.  With INN 2.2 etc.

When I send mail locally, the 'Sender:' header is stripped.

When I post locally, again the 'Sender:' header is stripped.

Why?

What have I set up incorrectly?

Thanks,
Darren

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From: Jeld The Dark Elf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: setup kmail to leave messages on server
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:23:31 GMT

Do not use KMail. It is a fairly poor mail client. Personally I use
Netscape mailer, but it is not all powerful either. Find the one that
works well for you. There are dozens out there. I have seen this problem
on KMail. You cannot do anything except writing to KDE development team.


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  "jaws" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to setup kmail so it leaves a copy of messages on your
pop
> server so you can receive them at another location, but does not
download
> the messages again in kmail.  I like to receive my email at home and
at
> work, and it is easy to setup Outlook/Express to leave a copy of
messages on
> server.  However, when I checked that option in Kmail, everytime I
check for
> messages it downloads the same messages again.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> jaws
>
>


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From: Albert Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWare (Windows on Linux)?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:00:15 GMT

> I'm now trying to figure out Samba so that I can use Samba to access
> the Windows drives which are "mounted" to Linux. Also there is a news
> server for VMWare (news.vmware.com) which anybody can access. There is=

> a lot of good information available in the forums on that news server.=


Yes, they have a lot of good information there. BTW, I use Samba to=20
provide Windows with most of the disk space. I did a basic install of=20
Windows 98 and saved that disk-file to a CD. Programs are installed on=20
a Samba-Share.

I really hope vmWare figures out how to speed the whole thing up and=20
make use of multiple processors and DirectX. That would make it=20
perfect.




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From: "Christopher Lu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux.mandrake,athome.users-unix,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: accessing windows files under linux
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:37:59 GMT

1) Is it possible to access files created under windows 98 and stored in FAT
32 partitions?
Would I just have to mount the specific windows partition under linux?

2) Can someone offer some advice on the 539680446 gazillion packages
available when doing a custom installation in redhat or mandrake?  I know
it's impossible to cover every one but most of that stuff I have no idea
what it's used for.

3) Any suggestions on the number of and size of partitions to create when
installing linux on a single user desktop?  Have 3.2 gigs available.


Thanks in advance!!!



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raikanta Sahu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: 17 Aug 1999 16:38:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:43:39 -0700, Randall Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Suppose you have 3 methods in your pure virtual base class: aa(), bb(), 
> cc(). Then you start inheriting off it in all sorts of ways that have 
> various levels of inheritance hierarchy. For the purpose of notation 
> suppose that each inherited version of aa is numbered: aa1, aa2, aa3, and 
> so on. Ditto for bb (bb1, bb2, etc) and cc. 
> 
> Well, you could see a class that implemented
>    aa1, bb1, cc1,
>  Then another class that inherited from that class and just overrode bb 
> again to make it:
>    aa1, bb2, cc1.
>  But then another class that inherited from the previous and added a new 
> cc:
>    aa1, bb2, cc2
>  Now here is where we see how C++ comes up short. We want to make a new 
> class that has 
>    aa1, bb1, cc2.
>  Well, guess what? There is no way to make this new class after making 
> those 4 other previous classes without repeating the body of either bb1 
> or bb2 or cc1 or cc2. 

Agreed that the language does not provide the capability you describe.
However, one can easily achieve what you want.

Let's call the base class MyClass1 and the subsequent classes MyClass2,
MyClass3, and MyClass4 respectively. The implementation of MyClass4::bb
would look like the following.

ReturnType MyClass4::bb(Args args)
{
   return MyClass1::bb(args);
}

This seems to be a more than adequate answer to your need, I think.

I am curious to know whether this is a concocted problem or have you
really faced such a problem?


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From: Selim Jochim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to use SoftOSS for playing midi files?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:08:32 +0200


Hi, 
can anyone tell me how to use SoftOSS to play midi files? 
How do I specify the path to the instrument files or where do I have to
save them, how well does it actually work?

Thanks, Selim


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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 17 Aug 1999 18:05:42 +0100

X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 20.3

>>>>> "Ketil" == Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Ketil> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  >>> 3) five year plans

  >> There is something wrong with this? I have a 5 year plan for my
  >> own life.

  Ketil> The wrong part is the idea that you can have a plan economy
  Ketil> on a large scale, i.e. replacing the market forces with
  Ketil> detailed control from above. 

        All the govts seemed to plan their economies during WWII okay.
What has changed precisely.


  Ketil> In a capitalistic system, to get resources you need to
  Ketil> convince investors of your profitability potential 


        And who says investors have any sense. Look at the investment
into all the internet companies which havent made a penny. Or the
canal companies in the 1800's if you want to go further back.


        Added to which what about all those who are starving who 
dont have any money. The capitalist system does take much notice there
does it?

        Phil


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From: Timo Tossavainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Troll (was: why not C++?)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:50:42 +0300

Graffiti wrote:

> Oh god.  The return of the LISP machines.... *shudder*
> They weren't *bad*, but look at where they are now.  See my point?
> (Or rather, don't see it? :-)

Well, I think the lisp machines had specialized chips to evaluate lisp and were
quite proprietary. I think a modern open Lisp OS would be a good idea. It would be
a lot more stable than one, whose applications are mostly written in C/C++ and the
paradigm might be quite different from UNIX. Lisp machines and a Lisp OS are
different in the sense that lisp machines included specialized hardware. See
anything with specialized hardware in general use ? I'm not aware of the reasons
why the lisp machines didn't work out. I know people still use them but if someone
knows a bit more history, I'd be interested. It was most certainly not the fault
of the lisp language (or are people really that parenthetically challenged ? =)).

Timo



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Butler)
Subject: Re: Printing to the printer from a C-Program
Date: 17 Aug 1999 11:31:45 +0100

[comp.os.linux.misc - 16 Aug 1999 05:56:54 GMT] * Robert wrote *
> Unless I'm missing something, you should be able to use the STDPRN
> file handle exactly like STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR.

You're missing the fact that STDPRN is a non-standard DOS-only extension. :)

-- 
Chris Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Butler)
Subject: Re: Debian binary??
Date: 17 Aug 1999 11:41:55 +0100

[comp.os.linux.misc - Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:00:44 +0900] * Martin wrote *
> I downloaded a cana package to write Japanese in an English Linux
> system. The files are Debian binaries. Never heard of that, can anybody
> tell me how to use them please?

If you're using Debian, then you can install the package using 
"dpkg -i <package>".

Otherwise, you can either (best way) use the program "alien" to convert the
package to whatever kind of package your distribution uses, or to extract
it manually:

# cd /tmp
# ar x <package> data.tar.gz
# tar xvzf data.tar.gz

Then move all the files into the respective places in /usr/local.

-- 
Chris Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Butler)
Subject: Re: Any free SQL server available?
Date: 17 Aug 1999 12:13:10 +0100

[comp.os.linux.misc - Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:43:40 -0400] * WME wrote *
> Is there any free SQL server available for commercial use?

There is PostgreSQL, which is free for commercial use, and mySQL, I believe
was recently GPLed, so that's free for commercial use also.

-- 
Chris Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: Sudhakar Govindarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel compiling
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:43:28 GMT

I'm not if the solution that I offer here would work, but hey give it a
shot and see if it works.. I had a similiar problem.. U may want to
upgrade your pppd to the latest version. Looks like there is a bit of
incompatability between 2.2.6 Kernel and the old pppd. Download &
install the latest pppd from

ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/networks/serial/ppp

For problem#2, do u have Tcl/Tk installed on the other computer.?

Let me know if it helps.

Sudhakar G

Frederik Likaj wrote:
> 
> I have just figured out ( i believed) how to get my RealTek8019 working.I
> 
> went throw /usr/src/linux 1-make dep,make clean,make bzImage,make modules
> 
> and make modules_install.Before that i had my ppp running and i could
> 
> connect to internet on my RedHat 6.0.After i run make bzImage I just copy
> 
> it to my floppy disc wich i use to boot into linux.It seems that eth0 work
> 
> and i can ping around but i have lost my ppp conection.When i try to
> 
> connect the modem don't react and it hangs on the yellow light.I believe
> 
> that i have not done 100% right with the kernel compiling.What should i do?
> 
> I use a floppy disc to boot linux.
> 
> 2-Another problem is that i have another P.C. running linux RedHat 6.0 with
> 
> the same netcard RealTek8019 but when i tried to compile the kernel i got
> 
> the message
> 
> make[1]:gcc:command not found
> 
> make[1]:***[tkparse]Error 127
> 
> make!***[xconfig]Error 2
> 
> is any rpm i am missing there?
> 
> Any help is welkomed.
> 
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From: Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:39:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

While I'm not opposing your conclusion that C++ in kernel is bad, I
would like to take issue with two of the reasons you present below.

Bjorn Reese wrote:
> 
> To add salt to injury, you cannot use exceptions in global static objects
> because their constructors are executed before main(), and therefore
> cannot catch the exception.

You can use exceptions in global static objects. You reserve the space,
and construct the objects in main using placement new. This is what you
do in C, and what you should do in C++.

> I've also found it more difficult to debug C++ than C (especially the
> code of other people,) because (operator) overloading can make otherwise
> innocent looking code do much more than you had expected.

This is the same as using c_integer_shift( myint, myshift ). It
shouldn't do anything more than shift the integer by the specified
amount, but it might. This problem doesn't normally happen in a kernel
because people who are that dumb are not usually capable of writing a
kernel ;)

-- 
Tristan Wibberley

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From: "Arinte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:28:38 -0400

Well, I can see some of your points.  But, if it was programmed it C++ then
the programmer can have a choice of doing there code in c or c++ without
having to do extra work.  Using C++ would have been more open.

But, C was the best choice since the C++ compiler wasn't up to snuff at the
time.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (greenh)
Subject: RH 6.0 Which to d/l?? kermel....i386 or kernel...i586   or kernel....i686 or 
all of them
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:28:05 GMT



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Subject: Linux Site with 100's of links
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:07:04 -0400

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From: NetNation <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: bc.jobs,can.jobs
Subject: Trade Show Representative - Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:41:02 GMT

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--
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Vancouver, BC, Canada
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From: Nix <$}xinix{[email protected]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: 17 Aug 1999 18:32:07 +0100

[comp.os.linux.development.apps removed from followups.
 This is not an application development question.]

Cocheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> *Why Is linux done primarily in the C programming language rather than 
> C++?*

Many reasons.

Unix is normally written in C.

The C++ ABI is not yet stable (a major change is arriving with gcc-3.0,
for one).

Until the egcs project took off there was frankly no *good* free C++
compiler (the g++ frontend didn't do so many optimizations, and so
forth).

Many kernel developers feel that C++ does too much `behind the
programmer's back' (implicit type conversions, constructor calls,
&c). For normal development I feel that this is not true, but it may
well be true for kernel code, especially in time-critical hotspots or in
areas where races may happen, in which case it is important to be able
to *see* what's happening.

While it is true that a C++ person *can* see what is happening in C++
code, there is a vastly larger pool of C people than C++ people, and
most of the kernel developers are C people (although some are C++ people
too).

>      Again I admit it would take a little extra work and put a minor set 
> back in the evolution for a month or 2,

Now this is a serious misstatement. Rewriting the kernel in C++ would
likely require a redesign of some portions; C++ is not C, it is a
different language, and if you want `a C++ kernel' rather than `a C
kernel written in C++' then design changes are necessary.

This would take *years*, probably. Most think this is not worth it for
the improvements it might bring (and I emphasize `might').

And Linus thinks that multi-year development cycles are a bad idea
(witness the feature freeze coming down for Linux 2.4 already).

>                                         but if C++ is so much faster, 

It isn't, normally. Heavy template magic can cause speedups in some
areas (eg Blitz++ can be substantially faster than C code), but this
involves shuffling computation off to compile-time, which is not often
useful for a kernel (the whole essence of which is rapid response to
real-time service requests &c).

Bear in mind that C++ and C both compile to assembler. C++ is not magic.

> easier,

This is meaningless marketroid garbage, sorry. It's a substantially more
complex language than C (many say it is *too* complex) and concomitantly
harder to learn.

It's also not easier to maintain than an equivalent corpus of C code, if
the C code is well-written. There would, I think, be negigible
maintenance improvements from changing the kernel to C++; the Linux
kernel is highly modular and uses many `OO-in-C' techniques already
(encapsulation and polymorphism are there, and access control is not
exactly a priority within the kernel code).

>         and stable

It's considerably less stable than C. There are as yet no free compilers
that implement the entirety of the ISO C++ Standard. gcc is close, but
until a few weeks ago when 2.95 was released it was not very close.

The ABI is still changing (and you do not want *that* in kernel mode!)

The optimizers are still changing (and if you think optimizations
applied by the compiler do not affect kernel code, you would be wrong;
kernels often have to do things `below the surface' which may be broken
by optimizations applied by the compiler. There have been several
instances of such in the Linux kernel already.)

Your reasons for switching are very poor.

(There *are* reasons to switch, but they are thoroughly unconvincing.)

>                                 I am struggling with it a bit but as i 
> continue to learn this from an "other leading brand OS" and a full time 
> programmer for a large company.

I have great difficulty parsing this statement. It doesn't appear to
obey standard English grammar rules; you have one clause which tails off
without an ending.

>   There are many differences Between the two programming languages and 
> there are huge advantages to C++.

Not in kernel code; at least not yet.

>  The downside is "linux has always been a C based Program so it will always 
> be."   

Not necessarily. Linux has always been a GNU C (*not* ANSI/ISO C!) based
program, its developers like the language, and there are 1.5 million
lines of it. So changing it would need some pretty bloody good reasons
to get past Linus... especially given that several prominent developers
have said publically that they'd fork the tree and keep working on the C
branch if the kernel ever switched to C++.

> *** BUT THEN AGAIN - ISN'T LINUX ALL ABOUT CHANGE? ***

Change with reason, where necessary. It's all about stability; kernels
have to be.


There was a massive flamewar on exactly this topic on linux-kernel a few
months back. You may want to look through the linux-kernel archives and
familiarize yourself with the arguments pro and con (mostly con, which
is a pity; I like C++ too. But unfortunately reality punctures many
dreams...)

-- 
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   when the house was built?
 - The house was built in 1576.' --- Alex Kamilewicz on the Cambridge
                                     breed of `conference American'.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:55:04 GMT

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:39:56 +0100, Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>While I'm not opposing your conclusion that C++ in kernel is bad, I
>would like to take issue with two of the reasons you present below.
>
>Bjorn Reese wrote:
>> 
>> To add salt to injury, you cannot use exceptions in global static objects
>> because their constructors are executed before main(), and therefore
>> cannot catch the exception.
>
>You can use exceptions in global static objects. You reserve the space,
>and construct the objects in main using placement new. This is what you
>do in C, and what you should do in C++.

Right, but that is awfully inconvenient. What is the point of having global
constructors then if you are going to call the constructions from main?

Also, how do you reserve the space with guaranteed alignment?
You can't just do things like:

        static char space_for_object[sizeof MyClass];

You might as well then just use the regular new operator then, which is
what is often done in practice.

What you could do is have a default constructor that does nothing to
the object, and can be safely called at global construction time. Then
when you do the placement new, you use a different constructor, the
real one that does work and can throw. (And to be totally correct,
you should call the in-place destructors of all the objects first).

If you are going to go to all this trouble, you might as well just not use a
constructor for doing the initialization. Have a default construtor that
doesn't do anything heavy such as acquisition of resources. And then have an
initialize() method which either returns false or throws or whatever. Then you
don't have to mess around with crap like placement new.

I find that in practice it's easier just to dynamically allocate the global
object. That way you have control about the timing of its construction,
and can catch exceptions and all that jazz.

>> I've also found it more difficult to debug C++ than C (especially the
>> code of other people,) because (operator) overloading can make otherwise
>> innocent looking code do much more than you had expected.
>
>This is the same as using c_integer_shift( myint, myshift ). It
>shouldn't do anything more than shift the integer by the specified
>amount, but it might.

Funny you should say that, given that the shift operators are used for
performing input and output in C++. 

>because people who are that dumb are not usually capable of writing a
>kernel ;)

Who wrote MacOS or Windows 98 then? ;)

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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yamaha DS-XG sound Card - Help!
Date: 17 Aug 1999 13:16:22 -0700

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Hi Linux Lovers,
> 
> I am new to linux. I just install RH6 on my machine.
> I have problem configuring my sound card. I have a Yamaha DS-XG PCI
> sound card.
> 
> sndconfig does not detect my sound card as PnP , but the stupid windozs
> detects it.!
> I have tryed the soundblaster compatible configuration, but i get the
> message " Device or Resource Busy".
> One more thing , it is not possible for me to change the sound card.
> Please help.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Arjun Prabhu K
> 
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.


Go to http://www.opensound.com.

Sorry, but the driver for this card is $30.  I have it in my box, and it
works great with this drive, but you have to pay for it.

HTH,
Aaron

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Zephyr Q)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Looking for comparable apps in Linux from OS/2
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:38:32 GMT


        I'm making the switch from OS/2 to Linux, and *really* 
would like some similar functionality with the following 
apps:

        A mail client as functional as PMMail (nested folders, 
remote control)

        A news client as good as ProNews (sigh, I know this one 
might be a long shot...)

        A slim browser that handles pages well (I never did like 
Netscape 2.02 for OS/2 much and Opera never panned out...)

        Configuration tools (I don't need my hand held, but I also 
don't have a lot of time wading through scripts...).

        Since I'm coming from OS/2, GUI versions of the above are 
preferable (I'm not afraid of CLI, just like it less than a 
decent GUI <<whoops, flame bait>>.)

        Thanx.

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From: "Allix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SIS 620 in high resolution ?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:08:53 -0400

I have a SIS 620 Card and after downloading the xsis.rpm and configuring it
, I finally got X to work. But I can't seem to get high resolution modes to
work. If anyone has a SIS card and got it working please email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

any help would be greatly appreciated.



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