Linux-Misc Digest #454, Volume #21 Wed, 18 Aug 99 22:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: More kind words from M$. (Paul Gallagher)
Re: Accessing Linux from NT (jmantel)
Re: linux on microchannel (Elchonon Edelson)
Re: why netscape sucks? (John Hong)
DFW area Linux User Groups?? ("William B. Cattell")
errata [was Re: Slackware vs SuSE vs Debian vs Redhat vs ....] (John Girash)
Re: Slackware vs SuSE vs Debian vs Redhat vs .... (Paul Gallagher)
SCSI Card driver problems (William Schwartz)
Re: Troll (was: why not C++?) (Rainer Joswig)
Re: OPL3-SA3 souncard won't play sound!!! (Sean)
Re: problem on perl/tk ("Jens M. Felderhoff")
Re: Comparing HPFS to ext2fs... (Alex Taylor)
Forms -saving field data ("Theo van der Merwe")
slocate.cron -- path expansion quesion (Ding-Jung Han)
DSL router? (Marc Ohmann)
Re: DSL router? (John Hovell)
logrotate: how to chattr +i properly? (Ding-Jung Han)
mp2 video player (mike)
Re: no response from external usr/3com sportster ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: pppd in 'setuid-root' mode (John Hasler)
Re: *nix vs. MS security ("Alan Sparks")
Re: tn3270 questions; need help (Cokey de Percin)
Re: [Q]On Linux, How can C program access Database? (A S Measures)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: More kind words from M$.
From: Paul Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Aug 1999 19:34:23 -0400
Brett Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mindspring News wrote:
>
> > Charles Sullivan wrote in message <7o8bp9$n9g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >
[snipped]
> > >On Page 6, "Editor's Notes", is found the following:
> > >
> > > "What starts off hot, gets unpleasantly sticky after
> > > awhile, starts to stink like a minty goat soon after
> > > that, and ends up making you wish you never experienced
> > > it? No, we're not talking about the experience of
> > > getting Linux actually working on your machine. It's
> > > summer in New York City! ...".
> > >
> >
> > He's just an AOL employee posing as a microsoft developer to further AOL's
> > insidious purposes. He used the words "unpleasantly" and "experienced". A
> > real microsoft programmer can't use words more than 8 letters in length ;)
>
> Well as long as you don't count all the gobbledy-gook the prepend to every
> word to tell you what kind of word it actually is ;)
Actually, I sort of like the phrase "stink like a minty goat." I
wonder where he found that?
P
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From: jmantel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Accessing Linux from NT
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:32:01 -0700
Neil Walters wrote:
> Does anyone know of any software to access the Linux filesystem from
> within Windows NT? Also is there any software to make the NT command
> prompt more 'Linux User Friendly' i.e. the ls command and the use of the
> Tab key?
>
> Neil Walters
Try samba, which is included as an rpm in most linux distributions.
It is also at
http://samba.isca.uiowa.edu/samba/samba.html
That is for file sharing with linux from NT.
To get a more unix like command line you get get MKS Toolkit for
NT. It is kinda pricy but works well.
Jaime
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From: Elchonon Edelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux on microchannel
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:16:38 GMT
Gergo Barany wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I hope this question hasn't been answered a
> >thousand times before; I can't seem to find
> >anything definitive on installing any flavor of
> >linux on an IBM PS/2 with an MCA bus. All the
> >links I find are dead or old. I would prefer to
> >use Red Hat but if there is another distribution
> >that works well on the MCA, I'm open to ideas.
> >THanks!
>
> The kernel definitely can be compiled to support MCA, but this might be
> removed sometime in the near future, IIRC (which is not a real problem
> if you don't need to have drivers for very new hardware (which doesn't
> seem to be the case)).
> Another question is whether any distribution comes with a kernel in
> which this enabled by default. If they don't, you'd have to
> cross-compile a kernel on another machine. Then it should be possible to
> create an install disk with that custom kernel.
I believe that Slackware has a boot image with the requisite
support. So it should be possible to make a boot floppy, boot,
install slackware linux, recompile the kernel using the same
machine and boot disk, eliminating any need for "cross-compiling".
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Elchonon Edelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IntelliSoft Corp. http://isoft.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong)
Subject: Re: why netscape sucks?
Date: 18 Aug 1999 23:14:16 GMT
M van Oosterhout ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I have no idea. It works great here.
: Netscape 3.04, Linux 2.2.9, Debian 2.1
Agreed, Netscape 3.04 is/was probably the best version of
Netscape on Linux. SuSE 6.1, Linux 2.2.5, run's great here.
Psst, a little secret: You can still get Netscape 3.04 in RPM format.
Caldera has it, it is on (ftp.caldera.com), directory
/pub/openlinux/updates/1.1/RPMS/
They've got two of the versions there, one just Netscape 3.04 and
the other Netscape Gold 3.04.
Some may find it necessary to do a "ln -s netscape Netscape" in
order to get it going in their /usr/bin directory. Depends on your
window manager I suppose.
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From: "William B. Cattell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DFW area Linux User Groups??
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:22:58 GMT
Does anyone know of any Dallas-Ft. Worth area Linux User
Groups? There use to be one that would meet at the Infomart
on third Sat. each month. TIA.
Bill
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: errata [was Re: Slackware vs SuSE vs Debian vs Redhat vs ....]
Date: 18 Aug 1999 18:30:50 -0500
John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Redhat: The opposite of Slackware, introduced RPM package format and GUI
: config utils. Installs easily but doesn't give you a heck of a
: lot of control (my only experience is RH5.1 though). Comes with
: mix of OS and commercial products (i.e. default desktop is KDE).
: i386 & Alpha, ideally aimed at the first-time Unix/Linux sysadmin.
Just checked redhat.com; I forgot to mention they support Sun/Sparc as well,
and it seems that GNOME/Enlightenment (ick) is now the default desktop. KDE
(double ick) is still available though.
and by "control" I meant "control over the install process", btw.
cheers
jg
ObPlea to developers: please please please write for X, and not GNOME or KDE.
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Subject: Re: Slackware vs SuSE vs Debian vs Redhat vs ....
From: Paul Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 Aug 1999 19:50:05 -0400
Hope you won't mind, but I'd rather not quote from the original.
I've only had exposure to SuSe, Caldera, TurboLinux and Red Hat (which is my
current distro).
Red Hat does offer KDE, but GNOME is the default for X.
I'm not sure I understand your statement that SuSe is what Red Hat
should have been. I know: you mention that you think their distro
installs more easily, has fewer "growing pains" compared to Red Hat
per release, but this wasn't my experience (at least, with 5.2, I
believe); quite the contrary. It was not an easy installation, and
Yast presented an almost incomprehensible system to
me. Installation of packages after the install was also
flustering. And although I thought they may have had a more up-to-date
set of video drivers (I wondered if it was due to a more solid
relationship to the X-Free86 Project, but for the life of me, can't
recall what led me to that suspicion), I found nothing exemplary which
set them apart from the crowd.
I spent the least time with Caldera, so I can't comment at all,
really.
To me, honestly, I think it's like asking someone what flavor of
vanilla they prefer. I'm sorry if that sounds so simple, but I still
fall back to advice I'd seen on a Linux newsgroup a couple years ago
from a guru: try as many of 'em as you can get your hands on and stick
with the one you like the best. You don't have to break the bank;
heck, they're included in books, given away at expos, can be
downloaded off the 'Net or got from friends.
P
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From: William Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SCSI Card driver problems
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:37:37 GMT
I'm trying to install a scsi card on my linux (redhat 5.2) system but I don't
think i have the right module. The card is a PE Logic model PEL-1600.
The date on the card is 1997 so it shouldn't be totally obselete.
When i use modprome on the generic NCR module I get a bunch of stuff back on
the console and then the system hangs.
any pointers greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Bill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rainer Joswig)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Troll (was: why not C++?)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:31:43 +0200
In article <conu3.10933$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The founding of Symbolics and Lisp Machines has a great deal to do
> with the founding of the Free Software Foundation... I do not recall
> offhand which company of the two RMS considered the "bad guys," but
> there was much bad blood at the time...
It was Symbolics.
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: OPL3-SA3 souncard won't play sound!!!
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:31:52 GMT
Steve Gage wrote:
> Sean wrote:
> >
> > My OPL3-SA3 soundcard which is a Audiotrix 3D-XG now works with isapnp
> > except it has two irq's and I don't know how to set the 2nd irq with
> > ismod. If I just set one irq up X11AMP and other sound apps display
that
> > they are playing sound but I hear nothing out of the speakers.
> > /dev/sndstat tells me that I have no installed drivers or card config
> > except it does give me info on my adio synth and midi devices as well
as
> > mixers. I insmoded the followinf modules (if there are any I missed
please
> > tell me) opl3sa2, mpu401, opl3 and ad1848. If anyone could help me it
> > would help alot. E-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ------------------ Posted via CNET Linux Help ------------------
> > http://www.searchlinux.com
>
> I don't think you need to insmod mpu401. Here's what I have in my
> conf.modules, and my OPL3/SA3 sound works just fine:
>
> # Sound
> alias char-major-14 opl3sa2
> pre-install opl3sa2 modprobe "-k" "ad1848"
> post-install opl3sa2 modprobe "-k" "opl3"
> options opl3sa2 io=0x370 mss_io=0x530 mpu_io=0x330 irq=5 dma=0 dma2=1
> options opl3 io=0x388
> options 8390 io=0x240 irq=10
Right above you have the 8390 modules. How do I compile it? Under what is
it listed in the kernel config?
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http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: "Jens M. Felderhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problem on perl/tk
Date: 19 Aug 1999 01:17:20 +0200
Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Do you know the Perl/Tk program
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> Use Tk;
> my $mw=MainWindow->new;
> $mw->title( Hello World);
> $mw->Button(-text => "Done", -command => sub { exit })->pack;
> MainLoop;
>
> which is on book perl/tk by Nancy Walsh, "Learning Perl?Tk" by O'Reilly
> page 11
> in bash, I got
>
> Useless use of a constant in void context at /lemay/hello.pl line 6.
> Can't locate object method "Use" via package "Tk" at /lemay/hello.pl
> line 2.
1. ``use Tk;'' like in the book, instead of ``Use Tk;''. If you
misspell it, the Tk module won't be imported thus ``MainLoop'' will
be undefined in line 6.
2. Quote ``Hello World'' unless you'll get the message
Can't locate object method "Hello" via package "World" at ./foo.pl
line 4.
(Nancy Walsh didn't quote it either, but that's what you'll get!)
Tsch�ss
Jens
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From: alex@ifurita. (Alex Taylor)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Comparing HPFS to ext2fs...
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:35:35 GMT
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:42:06 GMT, Steve Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>John, where did you get R/W HPFS drivers for Linux? I have recently
>>installed the latest SuSE (6.2 as I recall), and my HPFS access is
>>read only.
>
>It is part of the Linux development v2.3.x kernel. Your distro
>contains the stable (v2.2.x) kernel.
It's also available separately, from the author. I installed it under
2.2.5 and it works fine. (I keep a HPFS partition for shared data,
programming, config files, etc. Zero problems so far.)
It's here:
http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/vyplody/hpfs/index-e.cgi
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From: "Theo van der Merwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Forms -saving field data
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:53:51 +0200
How do I save the data entered in a .html form with text and lookup fields?
Using the standard 'Save as' command in Internet Explorer only seems to save
the form, not the actual data in the fields.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards,
Theo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Ding-Jung Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: slocate.cron -- path expansion quesion
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:07:17 -0400
Hi just want to know how to exclude all Netscape cache directories from
being searched by slocate. I'd like to modify
/etc/cron.daily/slocate.cron and add such directories after '-e' option.
However I'm not sure how to properly specify *all* the Netscape cache
directories -- */.netscape/cache surely won't work. Any idea? TIA,
Ben
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From: Marc Ohmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux.slakware,at.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: DSL router?
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:52:08 -0500
Can anyone refer a good how-to or any resource dealing with linux
router/firewall and a cisco 675 DSL modemm to me? I have read all of
the relevant LDP how-tos but something more case specific would help.
The kernel is recompiling right now and so far everything is going as
planned (knock on wood) but I am sure that eventually I am going to need
a good resource.
Thanks,
marc
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From: John Hovell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux.slakware,at.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DSL router?
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:31:06 GMT
Marc --
I could be wrong, but isn't that basically just connecting a network
interface? Doesn't it just plug into an Ethernet card, and gets configured
accordingly?
It really varies depending on the ISP... I installed a DSL modem that
actually was a router (that is, you just plugged it into an Ethernet hub,
and anything on that physical network could get access with a real IP
address).
What exactly is your setup?
--John
Marc Ohmann wrote:
> Can anyone refer a good how-to or any resource dealing with linux
> router/firewall and a cisco 675 DSL modemm to me? I have read all of
> the relevant LDP how-tos but something more case specific would help.
> The kernel is recompiling right now and so far everything is going as
> planned (knock on wood) but I am sure that eventually I am going to need
> a good resource.
>
> Thanks,
> marc
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From: Ding-Jung Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: logrotate: how to chattr +i properly?
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:19:34 -0400
To make my linux box a little more secured, I decided to chattr +i all
gzipped log files under /var/log. My first try is put several lines in
/etc/logrotate.d/syslog like these
/var/log/messages {
prerotate
chattr -i /var/log/messages.*.gz
chattr -a /var/log/messages
endscript
postrotate
chattr +i /var/log/messages.*.gz
chattr +a /var/log/messages
/usr/bin/killall -HUP syslogd
endscript
}
but it didn't work. Seems to me that prerotate section was not executed
before logrotate trying to rename the existing gzipped messages files.
And, from man page it says postrotate section is executed BEFORE the old
messages file gets compressed -- that means there'll be always one
messages file without +i protection.
Any idea how to do this correctly? TIA,
Ben
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mp2 video player
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:27:49 GMT
Does anyone know of an mp2 video
player for linux?
Thanks
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: no response from external usr/3com sportster
Date: 19 Aug 1999 00:11:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: i'm having trouble getting a response from a usr/3com sportster
: external modem. i've fed setserial a bunch of different irq's, tried
: the various /dev/ttyS* and cua*, but i've yet to get as much as an
: "OK" from this thing. no matter what i do, it just sits there. any
: suggestions?
Umm...what distribution do you have? I couldn't get OpenLinux 2.2 to find
my modem _or_ my mouse during install. Got the mouse working afterward,
but never could get the modem to respond, even after configuring it
manually.
When I installed RedHat 6.0 instead, all my hardware was autodetected
properly and everything works.
I'm not sure what would be different. Maybe someone more knowledgable can
say.
Antryg - Just one geek's experience...
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: pppd in 'setuid-root' mode
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:57:51 GMT
Clifford Kite writes:
> Only for root or if the device file name comes from a privileged source.
As it should. Users should not be configuring network interfaces. Pppd
should not be passed any command line option other than 'call <provider>'
by users. The less said about .ppprc the better.
> Yes, they do.
Users do not have to be able to to write to the port. Pppd on Debian works
just fine without it.
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From: "Alan Sparks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:17:24 -0700
I think Christopher should switch to another professor, and get his money
back. College profs are more useful and educational when they've seen the
real world.
Read the trade press. Many of the largest companies rely on UNIX.
-Alan
>Christopher Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:T1Eu3.4862$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I'm taking a class on operating systems. During the last class, the
>> instructor mentioned that *nices are less reliable and less secure than
>> Microsoft OS's. His reasoning is that because *nices (espeically linux)
>is
>> free and everyone has access to it, it's less secure. Random people can
>> hack into a *nix system easier because they can figure out the interrupts
>> and stuff, since it's a free OS.
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From: Cokey de Percin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.aix,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: tn3270 questions; need help
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:36:12 +0000
Raymonds Doetjes wrote:
>
> What kinda terminal srever do you have?
>
> Raymond
>
> "J. Otto Tennant" wrote:
>
> > This is a question about tn3270 in general, not about the particular
> > operating system it is running on.
> >
> > There is a central computer and several remote terminals. (They
> > happen to be IBM 3101s, but they could be anything, even an ADM-3a.)
> > The remote terminals are connected to a "terminal server" which
> > has an IP address (192.168.10.2, just to be definite.) The several
> > remote terminals respond to ports 2000, 2001, 2002, and so on as
> > telnet sessions.
> >
> > When I boot up the central computer, I want to treat these remote
> > terminals as 3270s and splash a legacy logon screen to them.
> >
I don't believe you really want to treat the remote terminals as 3270s.
A 3270 is a rather special breed of terminal and is only used to access
IBM OS/MVS or AS/400 (or similar) machines, usually EBCDIC - NOT ascii
based machines.
I haven't worked with terminal servers, but I would suspect that there
is a way to display a login banner. How this is done might vary between
terminal servers.
> > I also need to hook them up to a daemon which receives requests,
> > processes them, and responds to them.
AFAIK, there should be a piece of software that talks to the terminal
server and runs on your central machine that does this. This is similar
to getty running on a machine and talking to one port on a multiport
serial board only in this case the board itself in remote and connected
by an ip network.
> >
> > I have exhausted my knowledge of networking, although I'm fairly
> > certain the solution must be straightforward.
> >
> > In principle, if I could write:
> >
> > tn3270 host port <192.168.10.2:2000 >192.168.10.2:2000
> >
> > it would work like magic (I think).
I don't believe that that will work. Tn3270 is special type of terminal
emulator, and will not connect/talk to a terminal server in the way you're
trying to do.
> >
> > What I need to do is associate a pty with the remote IP/port.
> >
> > (The terminal server also provides ports 3000, 3001, etc. which
> > are more "raw" than a telnet port, but I've forgotten the name
> > of the service.)
> >
> > I'm not certain I have explained the problem well enough for
> > anyone to comment.
> >
> > --
> > J.Otto Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit.
> > Charter Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
Best
Cokey
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From: A S Measures <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.databases,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: [Q]On Linux, How can C program access Database?
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:22:28 +0100
In article <7otkq7$2si$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jessica Kim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I had C program on Linux.
>I'd like to access Database at C program.
>Tell me how I can access Database.
It depends which database ?
Most databases support ODBC and there are C libraries
to be found (on say www.freshmeat.net).
Most databases support EmbeddedSQL which should be
documented with the DBMS.
Many databases also have their own native API; which
is often the easiest (and least portable) option.
Am familiar with PostgreSQL and certainly all the
above options are available with it.
A
PS.
Perhaps by access you meant MicroSoft ACCESS which
is capable of providing ODBC connectivity (though
I am told it is very slow).
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