Linux-Misc Digest #486, Volume #21 Sat, 21 Aug 99 06:13:10 EDT
Contents:
ICQ?? ("Christopher Lu")
Moniter ("Whit Nelson")
Re: WordPerfect on 24 bit visual? (fred smith)
Questions ("Christopher Lu")
Re: 3com ISA cards and linux (William Park)
Re: why not C++? (Kaz Kylheku)
Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions) (Russ Allbery)
Re: Linux file-size limit? (Christopher Browne)
Re: LINUX to Windows CE handhelds? (Christopher Browne)
Interested in using Linux (Daniel O'Connell)
Re: Problem with an ATAPI CD-RW (Larry Barlow)
Re: ICQ and linux client (Larry Barlow)
Re: 3com ISA cards and linux (Ronald Benedik)
Need Help With Library Problems (Roy A. McCoy)
Re: Lisp OSes (was: Re: Troll (was: why not C++?)) (Christopher B. Browne)
Kernel 2.2.11 missing autoconf.h? ("Mark E. Drummond")
make menuconfig not working (Dave Brown)
Re: why not C++? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Joliet and Kernel 2.2.xx (James Pearson)
Re: DSL router? (Marc Ohmann)
Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy? (Brad BARCLAY)
Re: Interested in using Linux (Neil)
Re: can't find mail fetched with fetchmail (Mariano Gonzalvo)
Re: 3com ISA cards and linux
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From: "Christopher Lu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: ICQ??
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:57:51 GMT
Can someone please recommend a good icq program for Linux? I'm running
Mandrake 6 and need for the program to be able to interact with
mirabillis/aol windows icq (see/talk to windows icq).
Thanks in advance!
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From: "Whit Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Moniter
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:32:10 -0500
Does anyone else have a Compaq Model 1725 Monitor running under linux? Or
perhaps a compaq monitor that wasn't on the list? I need help getting X to
boot, Please, anyone, help...
--Whit
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From: fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect on 24 bit visual?
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:31:23 GMT
Grant Edwards <grant@nowhere.> wrote:
: I decided to try out WordPerfect, and overall it seems decent.
: However, I normally run 24bpp at home (ATI Rage 128 w/ SVGA
: server) and none of the bitmaps work (buttons just have gray
: hash on them). At work it runs fine with a 24 bit visual (ATI
: Mach32 w/ mach32 server).
: Why does WP work on one X server and not the other, when
: they're both set up as 24 bpp truecolor?
I don't know the answer to your question, but... I've seen a number of
postings here about how "WP8 doesn't work in 24-bit color". All I can
say is it works fine on my ATI Xpert98 (Mach-64) card in 24-bit color.
So, it must be either a bug in some servers, or a weird bug/interaction
in WP itself that is somehow sensitive to the attributes of the X
server.
Fred
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
I can do all things through Christ
who strengthens me.
============================== Philippians 4:13 ===============================
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From: "Christopher Lu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,athome.users-unix,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Questions
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:48:56 GMT
1. Linux tells me that my eth0 is in "promiscuous mode." What does that
mean?
2. I tried to download the kicq rpm from linuxberg. When I try to install
the rpm I'm told that kdesupport-rh5x is missing or not found. Where can I
find it? And after the rpm installs, do I just type install-kicq? Typing
kicq should load the program, right?
3. I'm using @home cable service. When I use a windows email/news program
(MS Outlook, Netscape Communicator, etc), I just need to type "news" in the
news server/NNTP configuration. When I tried "news" in Linux under either
Netscape or the KDE news client it doesn't work. Can someone help me out
please?
Thanks a lot!!!
PS. using Mandrake 6 distribution
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From: William Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
at.linux,aus.computers.linux,be.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3com ISA cards and linux
Date: 21 Aug 1999 06:51:25 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Caitanya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm on cable as well the guys are great there and you can joing the bigpond
> linux newsgroup, read the FAQ and you'll get up and running in not time at
> all
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------
> Kalkas wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I have been seriously thinking to use Linux and stop using Windows 98. I am
> fascinated by Linux's stability and security.
> Therefore, I have seriously planing to install Linux and USE IT.
> However, it seems that it is not possible for me to use Linux, since I use
> cable modem with a 3com ISA card. More precisely, I use 3com EtherLink III
> ISA (3C509/3C509b) network interface card, and there are no drivers which
> will support my card in Linux.
> Did someone else have similar problems?
> Regards,
> Kalkas
3c509b (and most 3com cards) is supported by Linux. I'm using it
right now. To load the driver, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules and search
for '509'. To enable BNC port and disable PnP, download 2 disk set 'EtherDisk' from
<www.3com.com> and run '3c5x9cfg.exe' from the 2nd disk in DOS.
Yours truly,
William Park
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:17:08 GMT
On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:03:36 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Yep, function pointers in C are really cool for problems where
>you want to avoid a switch statement which has to be evaluated
>over and over again.
And likewise, switch statements are really cool for problems where you don't
want to be evaluating an indirect function call over and over again. :)
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From: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Why did RMS adopt Unix? (and other questions)
Date: 21 Aug 1999 01:04:26 -0700
In gnu.misc.discuss, Michael Coughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Using the term "literary masterpiece" in connection with computer
> languages and system programming is streaching the meaning of the term a
> lot.
Okay, I'll grant that. :) But still, using that term implies something
of artistic merit, whereas I would argue that the primary merit of Unix
and C, to their users and their creators, was entirely practical. The
idea of a literary masterpiece is from a different tradition of work than
the practical efforts that went into a portable operating system and a
portable programming language to write it in.
C isn't a language I'd ever describe as pretty, even by the standards of
the 1970s. Practical, efficient, and useful, yes.
> Before Linus all GNU code had to be compiled and run on propriatory
> systems. After Linus, GNU code could be run on a system using all free
> software.
You may want to check the timing of *BSD systems in here. I know that
there was a lawsuit threat that cast a shadow over those OSes for a while,
but I was under the impression that they were still available to some
degree.
--
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux file-size limit?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:51:11 GMT
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:54:55 -0600, John Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1. Is there a limit to the file size hardcoded in the
>>kernel?
>
>AFAIK, this is an intrinsic limitation of the filesystem.
Apparently what you *think* you know isn't correct. The ext2
filesystem supports files of up to 1TB in size.
The standard file access API on 32 bit architectures is what can't
handle more than 2GB.
>>2. What do I have to recompile in order to solve this or get around
>>it?
>
>Rather than backing up to another partition, you can backup
>to a device that does not use a filesystem; eg, a tape
>drive. Tar can handle multi-gigabyte archives on a tape
>drive without size limitation problems beyond the physical
>limitations of the media used.
Have you tried this so as to verify the veracity of this claim?
The *true* problem is that the data structure used to hold the pointer
that indicates how far into an input stream you are is only 32 bits.
TAR doesn't get you around this problem...
--
Who's afraid of the garbage collector?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxkernel.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: LINUX to Windows CE handhelds?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:51:13 GMT
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:48:58 +0200, Raymonds Doetjes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Those handheld PC's don;t have common CPU's in them that Linux support
>cuurently.
>But you have Linux running on a SideWinder wich is a lowcost very small
>NetPC system wich runs on a STrongARM CPU. And a company called ICE is
>using Linux on static RAM (8 or 16M) for there NetPC's
There *is* a project to do ports of Linux to WinCE hardware; see:
<http://www.linuxce.org/>
--
Know how to blow any problem up into insolubility. Know how to use the
phrase "The new ~A system" to insult its argument, e.g., "I guess this
destructuring LET thing is fixed in the new Lisp system", or better yet,
PROLOG.
-- from the Symbolics Guidelines for Sending Mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Daniel O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Interested in using Linux
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:09:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
While I have been using a PC for Years and the Net and e-mail for 4 or 5
years
I must confess I know very little about Linux but am very interested
.What version is best i.e. is it Redhat or Gnu or Mandrake ?.Where do I
get the software etc.?
I already have a 3.1 Gb Hard disk partitioned into a 2.0Gb which carries
Win '95 and a 1.1 Gb "D" drive which is basically blank apart from
downloaded files stored in a folder but there is still over 800Mb of
free space .The machine is a Gateway 200 with 83 Mhz overdrive processor
32 Mb Ram ,Rockwell soundcard
Intel Motherboard with onboard video (1Mb Video Ram)
Rockwell 56K V90 Modem ,HP 690 Desk jet Printer and Parallel Port Iomega
Zip Drive .
Any help or ideas would be very very welcome
All best Wishes
Dan O'Connell
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From: Larry Barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with an ATAPI CD-RW
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:36:38 -0500
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From: Larry Barlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ICQ and linux client
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:31:01 -0500
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From: Ronald Benedik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
at.linux,aus.computers.linux,be.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3com ISA cards and linux
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:01:30 +0200
Kalkas wrote:
>
> I have been seriously thinking to use Linux and stop using Windows 98. I am
> fascinated by Linux's stability and security.
>
> Therefore, I have seriously planing to install Linux and USE IT.
>
> However, it seems that it is not possible for me to use Linux, since I use
> cable modem with a 3com ISA card. More precisely, I use 3com EtherLink III
> ISA (3C509/3C509b) network interface card, and there are no drivers which
> will support my card in Linux.
>
> Did someone else have similar problems?
> Regards,
> Kalkas
I'm using a 3c509b COMBO (PnP/ISA). It definately does work. There may
be a problem with
the 3c509 (not the b version) in dropping ip packets becaus of its tiny
(4kb)
buffer. This problem was solved in version b (8kb buffer). My Problem
was one of dual
boot configuration. Win95 puts the card in PnP mode and Linux doesn't
like that.
So my shutdown script for windoof puts the card back in non PnP mode and
the card uses
the same irq in linux and windoof, now everything works fine.
for linux drivers check:
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/3c509.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy A. McCoy)
Subject: Need Help With Library Problems
Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:03:18 PDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I tried to configure a program (knewmail-3.1-1.i386.rpm) that I had just
downloaded, at the bottom of the screen I get an error message indicating that
the program needs libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1), and libc.so.6
(GLIBC-2.0). I checked /usr/lib and none of the files are located there but
the last two files are located in /lib. Doesn't the system know the files are
there? If not, how do I let it know? I'm using Red Hat 5.2. If the first
library is not on my system, where do I get it ?
Roy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Lisp OSes (was: Re: Troll (was: why not C++?))
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:32:46 GMT
On 20 Aug 1999 16:56:49 -0700, Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne) writes:
>
>> On 20 Aug 1999 08:59:59 +0200, Stephan Houben
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>> >OK, you have me convinced. I want it.
>> >
>> >Is anyone working on a new Lisp OS nowadays?
>>
>> See: <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lisposes.html> for links to several
>> projects.
>
>That site is quite broken...one link goes to a credit card sales pitch!
It's not broken; some of the sites where efforts used to take place are
apparently no longer active, to the point to which they have been relinked
by their ISP to their own advertising :-(.
(Sheesh... One dead link and you get "quite broken" comments...)
--
The cigars in Los Angeles that were Duchamp-signed and then smoked.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: "Mark E. Drummond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linuc.development.system
Subject: Kernel 2.2.11 missing autoconf.h?
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:06:59 -0400
Trying to build a few tools that are failing on a missing
linux/autoconf.h. Double checked my links in /usr/include and
(re)grabbed the 2.2.11 kernel source. autoconf.h is definately not in
there.
--
___________________________________________________________________
Mark E Drummond Royal Military College of Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Computing Services
Linux Uber Alles perl || die
...there are two types of command interfaces in the world of
computing: good interfaces and user interfaces.
- Dan Bernstein, Author of qmail
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: make menuconfig not working
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 Aug 99 04:23:33 GMT
I can do a "make config" and I can do a make "xconfig".
But when I do a "make menuconfig", I get several error
messages, such as:
dialog.h:127: parse error before `use_colors'
dialog.h:127: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
...
and several more lines 128, 130,
then:
:143: parse error before `chtype'
:148: parse error before `chtype'
...
and finally:
lxdialog.c:126: warning: assignment of read-only location
make[1]: ***[lxdialog.o] Error 1
...
and:
make: ***[menuconfig] Error 2
What does it take to fix this?
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: 19 Aug 1999 07:16:14 -0600
Cocheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Troll.
> The downside is "linux has always been a C based Program so it will always
> be."
>
> *** BUT THEN AGAIN - ISN'T LINUX ALL ABOUT CHANGE? ***
No, not necessarily. You've been suckered by market hype.
Kurt
--
Arnold's Laws of Documentation:
(1) If it should exist, it doesn't.
(2) If it does exist, it's out of date.
(3) Only documentation for useless programs transcends the first two laws.
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From: James Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Joliet and Kernel 2.2.xx
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:47:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pug Fantus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was wondering if there was any problems with Joliet CDs and the
> 2.2.xx kernel(I've noticed with 2.2.7-11). I burn CD's under windows
with
> DirectCD (on a external 2x HP 7200+ on the printerport, not that it
> matters, they are horid devices anyway), and when I get them back home
and
> mount them under linux, the file sizes are totally wrong. Like, I've
seen
> 200 meg files under windows become 10 megs in linux, 40 meg files
becoming
> 3 megs, it's madness. So I have to mount them under windows and copy
the
> files to the linux box via samba, and reburn the CDs under linux to
get the
> sizes correct. Has anyone heard of this? I've scoured the web looking
for
> answers and have had no luck, and no one in my IRC channel (*Shameless
> Plug*) has heard of this before. I'd love any advice anyone can give
me.
DirectCD writes the CD in UDF format. Linux does not (yet) support the
UDF format. Linux can only cope with files that are contiguous - UDF
writes in "packets". You are probably seeing one of the packets that
make up your files - hence the reported file sizes.
I believe UDF support is being developed, and there are probably patches
about. However, your best bet would be to create your CDs directly in
ISO9660 format with the Joliet extensions using something like CD
Creator.
James Pearson
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: Marc Ohmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux.slakware,at.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DSL router?
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:45:31 -0500
I had the cisco setup to route but with that setup I had to enable DHCP
and I want local IP addresses. I need local IP's for most of my
networking software and utilities (knetmon, vnc, etc...)
I have two linux boxes (slackware) and a wintell box.
thanks,
marc
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From: Brad BARCLAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Can I switch from OS/2 to Linux and be happy?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:14 -0400
Mooo wrote:
> > OS/2 2.1 fixpacks stopped once Warp 4 was shipping. So I guess
> >it wasn't too surprising to see Warp 3 fixpacks stop once Warp for
> >e-Business (Warp 5 in a way) began, also. However, IBM still does
> >deliever fixpacks for Warp 3.
>
> As far as I can tell they no longer do so, only for Warp Server 4
> (which is really Warp3 sure).
Actually, WARP v3 fixpaks are still being produced for those companies
who have a service contract with IBM to do so; these fixpaks are simply
not available publicly.
Brad BARCLAY
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Posted from the OS/2 WARP v5 desktop of Brad BARCLAY.
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: 2G43D@Torolabs
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From: Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interested in using Linux
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Date: 19 Aug 1999 06:57:28 PST
Go to a store and buy a box set containing Red Hat Linux. It has
very easy to follow instructions and is relatively easy to install
and use.
Neil
Daniel O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I have been using a PC for Years and the Net and e-mail for 4 or 5
> years
> I must confess I know very little about Linux but am very interested
> .What version is best i.e. is it Redhat or Gnu or Mandrake ?.Where do I
> get the software etc.?
> I already have a 3.1 Gb Hard disk partitioned into a 2.0Gb which carries
> Win '95 and a 1.1 Gb "D" drive which is basically blank apart from
> downloaded files stored in a folder but there is still over 800Mb of
> free space .The machine is a Gateway 200 with 83 Mhz overdrive processor
> 32 Mb Ram ,Rockwell soundcard
> Intel Motherboard with onboard video (1Mb Video Ram)
> Rockwell 56K V90 Modem ,HP 690 Desk jet Printer and Parallel Port Iomega
> Zip Drive .
> Any help or ideas would be very very welcome
> All best Wishes
> Dan O'Connell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mariano Gonzalvo)
Subject: Re: can't find mail fetched with fetchmail
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:38:14 +0200
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:13:40 +0530, Philip S Tellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I use fetchmail, the mail comes in properly, but I do not know
>where it goes from there. I know it is supposed to be forwarded to port
>25, but it doesn't end up in anyone's inbox. What do I have to set the
>local name as? I've set it to philip - my username, but it doesn't show
>up. I then changed it to philip@localhost, still no luck. What to do?
>I have looked through the entire manual pages for both fetchmail and
>sendmail. I am also having a problem with "telnet localhost pop3" I
>get an error:
>bad port no: pop3
>Could this be the reason for the mail not showing up in the inbox? I
>have no problem sending mail between users on the same machine.
>
>What to do?
Look at /var/log/maillog
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Mariano Gonzalvo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
at.linux,aus.computers.linux,be.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: 3com ISA cards and linux
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:26:09 -0700
On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:19:56 +0200, Kalkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I have been seriously thinking to use Linux and stop using Windows 98. I am
>fascinated by Linux's stability and security.
>
>Therefore, I have seriously planing to install Linux and USE IT.
>
>However, it seems that it is not possible for me to use Linux, since I use
>cable modem with a 3com ISA card. More precisely, I use 3com EtherLink III
>ISA (3C509/3C509b) network interface card, and there are no drivers which
???? the 3c509.o module should work just fine, even
autodetects resources...
>will support my card in Linux.
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that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
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