Linux-Misc Digest #553, Volume #21 Fri, 27 Aug 99 00:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
SiS 6326 Drivers@SuSE ("FAN")
Re: 386 no CD-ROM help?? (John Doe)
Mouse speed and acceleration (Andy Busch)
re: modem connection (james)
Re: Can Linux read NTFS? (Albert Ulmer)
Re: VMware - wow! (Christopher Browne)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Christopher Browne)
Netscape & intellimouse scrolling (Galaxy)
Re: Can't mount Win98 Fat32 hdd...can anyone help...!!! (Michael McConnell)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Michael McConnell)
Re: New Hard Drive.... (Yves Bellefeuille)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Rick Lucent)
Re: The optimization debate (was: why not C++?) (Christopher Browne)
Re: high speed floating point coprocessor (Goran Devic)
Re: BeOS ("Evan Reynolds")
Re: VMware - wow! (Viktor Haag)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Allin Cottrell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: 26 Aug 1999 20:58:01 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:13:43 +0100, kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>All my windows get closed and I get taken back to the login screen (dialog
>box, ie X running).
>I use Gnome with Enlightenment.
Enlightenment used to do that to me. I haven't tried it lately, so I don't know
if it still does. But if I remember rightly, there was some particular
compile-time option that provoked it.
--
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Susquehanna Valley Amateur Astronomers
<http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2999/svaa.html>
Personal Home Page <http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer>
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From: "FAN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SiS 6326 Drivers@SuSE
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:42:04 +1000
What are XSuSE-Servers?
New XFree86-Release 3.3.4
XFCom_SiS
What are XSuSE-Servers and XFCom-Servers?
In cooperation with The XFree86 Project, Inc., SuSE GmbH is proud to present
a small series of X servers. These servers are based on source code from
XFree86-servers, but enhance and extend these.
To make it more obvious that these servers are XFree86 compliant, their
names have been changed from XSuSE to XFCom. XFree86 compliant, in this
context, means that the sources to these servers are already part of the
XFree86 development sources and that these servers will be included (with
full sources) in one of the next XFree86 releases.
An important goal of the XFCom-Servers is to support new graphics cards that
are commonly used, but not supported by XFree86 yet. Furthermore it is
intended to fix intermediate bugs and limitations in the last public XFree86
release.
SuSE is releasing all of these servers in close cooperation with their
authors and with The XFree86 Project. Of course, all of them will be
integrated into future versions of XFree86, like it has happened with all of
our XFCom servers in November 1998 in XFree86-3.3.3 (see detailed list
below).
The servers are freely available, the copyright is basically subject to the
terms of the XFree86 copyright.
XFree86-3.3.4 has been released
July 1999
A modified XFree86-3.3.4 for SuSE Linux users will soon be available on our
ftp server at
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/suse_update/XFree86-3.3.4-SuSE/glibc2.
All of our servers have been integrated into servers of XFree86-3.3.4. Here
is a list, which XFree86-Servers do now contain which former XSuSE-Server:
XFCom-Server XFree86-3.3.4 (and later)
XFCom_3DLabs -> xglint
XFCom_Matrox -> xsvga
XFCom_Rendition -> xsvga
XFCom_Cyrix -> xsvga
XFCom_P9x00 -> xsvga
XFCom_Trident -> xsvga
XFCom_SiS (formerly XSuSE_SiS)
Version 3.1 as of July 26, 1999
Thanks to Xavier Ducoin and some patches from the SiS developers we can now
offer a server for the current SiS530 and SiS620 based motherboards that
contains a slightly newer version of the driver than XFree86-3.3.4
XFCom_SiS supports the following graphics adapters and chipsets:
SiS 86c201
SiS 86c202, SiS 86c205
SiS 5597
SiS 5598
SiS 6326 AGP
SiS 530
SiS 620
You can download XFCom_SiS (Release-Date: July 26, 1999) as a TGZ-Archive or
as a RPM-Archive.
Important !
Please read /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.XFCom_SiS!
If you have questions or bug reports regarding this server, please send them
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Doe)
Subject: Re: 386 no CD-ROM help??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:11:37 -0500
What linux 6 or 5.2? You probably mean red hat.
Use slackware if you want to install with floppies. Slackware
is most convenient for that purpose.
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:03:16 -0400, DeAnn Iwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Douglas Hill wrote:
>>
>> How and what can I transfer from the Linux 6 or 5.2 CD-ROM to floppy on
>> my WinBox, to enable installation via floppy onto a couple 386 clones
>> (no CD-ROM) that are to be my first experimental subjects. I am dying
>> to get started with Linux, and finish forever with Microsoft, whose
>> every product has failed me miserably.
>> Thank you,
>> Douglas Hill
>> Austin, TX
>
> One thing you could do is to use a program like LapLink to transfer
>files across from one machine to another by either the serial port (very
>slow) or the parallel port (slow). Some of the latter DOSes (I think DR
>DOS and DOS 6.22 and others) had laplink like programs that would
>transfer files across a null modem cable. You might be able to set up
>Linux to use NFS across the parallel or serial ports (most distributions
>expect NFS to go across an ethernet port), but I do not know how to do
>this. Once the files are on the 386 hard drive, you can install from
>those.
>
> If you are not afraid to open up your machines, you can simply move
>drives from the 386s to the winbox long enough to copy files from the
>cdrom to 386-hd, then move the drives back. (Each IDE port will run up
>to two drives.) Or, alternatively, move your CDROM to connect to each
>386 in turn (using, say, a twinheaded IDE cable to feed both the HD
>there now, as master, and the transported CDROM drive, as slave).
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From: Andy Busch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mouse speed and acceleration
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:34:06 -0400
Where can I set my mouse's speed and acceleration (manually)? The
WindowMaker config tool only lets me get up to 2.5 accel, the GNOME
config tool (which I started w/o GNOME just to see) let's me get up to
4.0, but I used to use 8 or 9 under KDE.
Thanks,
Andy
--
Andy Busch & "Andy, sometimes I think you're strange,
The College of Wooster & and then you say something, and I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] & know for sure." - Nick D. Kost, to me
http://buschap.wooster.edu & http://pages.wooster.edu/buschap
AIM: apbusch & ICQ: 35760210
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From: james <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: re: modem connection
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:30:59 GMT
when attempting to connect to my ISP the modem gets as far as Modem
initializing .... and then nothing happens. Any possible solutions to
this problem ? Thanks.
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From: Albert Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can Linux read NTFS?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:14:20 GMT
> Is it possible for Linux to read NTFS? I have tried to
> mount the NT partition on my disk but Linux doesn't
> recognise it.
You need to compile NTFS-support into your kernel. After that, you=20
won't have any problems reading your NTFS-partitions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: athome.users-unix,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:10:18 GMT
On 26 Aug 1999 17:24:30 GMT, John Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>steve mcadams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>:
>: I hope that I didn't imply that I thought it was fraudulent or
>: anything. I just don't see it as very useful compared to a true virtual
>: machine operating system. Its reliability will probably be on the same
>: order as WINE.
>
>Not while WINE is in alpha phase it won't. Maybe in a few years time
>it might mature, until then....
>From what I can see, VMWare is a pretty impressive system, definitely
more reliable than WINE.
- It can boot Windows NT, which is no mean feat.
- Ditto for Windows 95 and 98, again, nontrivial tasks.
- I hear that someone used it to host Hurd atop Linux, again
indicating that it is providing a quite convincing emulation of a
virtual machine.
I haven't heard of anyone trying to use it to host any of the BSD's;
that would be an interesting test of its capabilities, as that is
almost certainly *not* something it was intended by design to be able
to do.
>: I'm sure there are things one could do with it, but
>: personally I don't think I'd want to fiddle with it.
>
>I use it as a development platform, the "undoable disk" is _very_
>useful.
One of the guys at the local LUG has used VMware several times to
demonstrate how one would configure Linux to interoperate with WinTel,
without the need of having a second computer on hand.
VMware looks like a slick way of testing out network configurations
without the need to sling around extra boxes and Ethernet cabling.
I suspect it might be useful to kernel hackers; it allows you to run
Linux atop Linux, and thereby be able to simultaneously have:
a) A flakey kernel that you're trying to debug, along with
b) Development tools to fiddle with the code and so forth,
all on one box.
--
Who needs fault-tolerant computers when there's obviously an ample
market of fault-tolerant users?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:10:36 GMT
On 26 Aug 1999 11:54:06 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[snip]
>> 1. XBasic is fully compiler-based and you can make executables.
>> 2. XBasic is available for both Windows and Linux (compatible).
>> 3. XBasic is freeware and you can download via the internet.
>> 4. XBasic function protocol is compatible with C / Linux / Win32.
>>
>> See http://www.maxreason.com/software/xbasic/xbasic.html for
>> more information and downloading if XBasic seems appropriate
>> for your purposes.
>[snip]
>
>XBasic also is not Free Software
>(http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html). you can't modify and
>redistribute it, and I'm not sure source is even available.
I seem to recall there being a discussion about this package a while
back; if this is the same BASIC compiler, the author was somewhat
favorably inclined to turn it into free software, albeit with some
concerns that would have to get talked through.
The bigger concern, from my perspective, is that it is not Portable
Software.
It can only run on IA-32, as it directly generates IA-32 assembly
language, and would essentially need to be rewritten for any other
architectures that might come along. That would include IA-64, Alpha,
and PPC, to name three architectures that are presently "sleepers,"
with not incredibly high adoption rates, but the potential for
widespread use.
--
"Face it, Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being
a villain in a James Bond movie." --Dennis Miller.
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From: Galaxy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape & intellimouse scrolling
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:53:53 -0400
I recently went from RH5.2 to RH6.0 in a clean install. I have a
Microsoft intellimouse trackball that works great under GNOME. I had
saved a post that had the commands to scroll Netscape that went into
.Xdefaults. It was the only file I forgot to save.
If anyone has the post or can paste the commands in an email, I would be
greatful. Once you get use to scrolling it's hard not to :-(.
TIA,
Blackstar
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't mount Win98 Fat32 hdd...can anyone help...!!!
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:47:42 +0100
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Brendan Murray wrote:
>
> Cantona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip>
> > # mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /dosd
>
> Have you tried to mount it as FAT32 ;-)
> # mount -t msdos etc.
Huh? vfat works on my fat32 partition fine. What kernel are you running?
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://linux.amush.cx Fax: +44-8701-600807
Eridani: Your PC doesn't need Windows or Gates.
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From: Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:52:26 +0100
On 26 Aug 1999, Uwe Bonnes wrote:
> kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : All my windows get closed and I get taken back to the login screen (dialog
> : box, ie X running).
> : I use Gnome with Enlightenment.
>
> But that's not Linux failing, but some application...
I had similar problems with Enlightenment. I've switched to icewm, and
haven't crashed since.
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell
Eridani Star System -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat Linux CDROMs Available
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://linux.amush.cx Fax: +44-8701-600807
Eridani: Your PC doesn't need Windows or Gates.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yves Bellefeuille)
Subject: Re: New Hard Drive....
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:57:12 -0400
Reply-To: Yves Bellefeuille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a new 13 GB hard drive and I'd like to move some stuff around and
> I want to know the best way of going about it. I currently have Win98
> and the MBR w/ LILO on the Primary-Master, and Redhat Linux 6.0 on the
> Primary Slave. I'd like to insert the new drive as Primary-Master w/ the
> MBR and Win98. On the second drive (originally primary master) I'd like
> to have Linux. I'd also like to increase the size of the linux
> partitions with the changeover. I'm still not sure whether or not I'll
> still use the old slave drive or not. What should I do? Re-install?
> Change the fstab before moving everything? Re-install LILO after I'm
> done moving?
If you want to move Linux from one hard disk to another, look at my Hard
Disk Upgrade Mini How-To:
http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
(HTML version)
http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade
(plain text)
Newsgroups trimmed.
--
Yves Bellefeuille, Ottawa, Canada
Francais / English / Esperanto
Maintainer, Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html
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From: Rick Lucent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:20:04 -0500
kev wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well it's just done it again! I'm using Red Hat 6, and every now and
> then, it just decides to log me out, thus losing all unsaved information
> from the apps I had open. It doesn't give any hint that anything is
> wrong, it just logs me out. This is _very_ annoying. What was that about
> Linux being the stablest OS there is?
>
> So I'm forced to appeal to you guys to give me some insight into what is
> wrong. Again. I've had so many problems with RH6, I spend far too much
> time trying to fix problems when I should be using it to be productive.
>
> Do non-Red Hat users have these problems?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Kev
Have you tried to change your window manager to rule out a
Gnome/Enlightenment problem?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: The optimization debate (was: why not C++?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:10:12 GMT
On 26 Aug 1999 10:50:58 -0400, Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randall Parker) writes:
> rp> I would argue that good coding styles, once one has internalized
> rp> them, are not much if any additional effort to practice. So why
> rp> not do them everywhere?
>
>For example, I completely agree with you that all optimization shouldn't
>be left to the end: that is, _macro_ optimizations, or optimizations of
>high-level algorithms, should obviously be considered up-front. But
>that's a much harder thing to do, and I think many programmers
>substitute _micro_ optimizations instead, and feel like they're
>accomplishing something.
>
>I don't believe micro-optimizations buy you much at all, generally, and
>they often take longer to program, have more bugs because they're more
>complicated than they need to be, and are harder to read, understand,
>and maintain for the same reasons.
"Optimization hinders evolution." -- Alan Perlis
>On a micro level, I believe the best way is to write the code the most
>straightforward way possible first, _then_ when it all works, come back
>and see where you can tweak it to be faster. Remember, slower, working
>code is always better than faster, broken code.
... And slower, working code that does straightforward things will be
easier to modify than "pre-tuned" code where any change that you make
is likely to break it.
>That being said, if you like to count down and that's your style, that's
>great. I have no issue with people cultivating styles that are more
>likely to lead to more efficient code! I, myself, quite often use
>temporary pointers to walk through arrays rather than incrementing a
>counter and using array indexing. I actually do it because I find the
>code simpler to understand that way, but it's probably faster, too.
The use of "alternative looping styles" has the merit that it bashes
people in the head about preconceived notions about the forcible
ordering of a loop.
It is quite common for programmers to *assume* that there is One True
Loop Ordering. That restricts their thinking, and probably downright
*prevents* optimizations.
The Common Lisp LOOP macro/language is a pretty interesting scheme for
managing loops, and displays a way of providing optimization by Doing
The Optimization For You.
(loop for x from 1 to 100
for y = (* x x)
until (>= y 729)
finally return (list x (= y 729)))
expands automagically, in CLISP, to
(MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-ERROR)))
(BLOCK NIL
(LET NIL
(LET ((X 1))
(PROGN
(LET ((Y NIL))
(MACROLET ((LOOP-FINISH NIL '(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)))
(TAGBODY SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP
(PROGN (WHEN (> X 100) (LOOP-FINISH)) (PSETQ Y (* X X)))
(PROGN (WHEN (>= Y 729) (LOOP-FINISH)))
(PROGN (PSETQ X (+ X 1))) (GO SYSTEM::BEGIN-LOOP)
SYSTEM::END-LOOP
(MACROLET
((LOOP-FINISH NIL (SYSTEM::LOOP-FINISH-WARN)
'(GO SYSTEM::END-LOOP)
))
(RETURN-FROM NIL (LIST X (= Y 729))))))))))))
The point of the exercise here is that the CL system is permitted a
fair bit of latitude in rewriting the loop so as to optimize it.
The code that it expands to looks like it would be just about as
efficient as it can get, at least in terms of what CLISP can do.
The bonus is that in that the looping system rejects *your* doing much
reasoning about it, it has the "right" to transform the code as it
sees fit. It could, potentially, generate some tuned assembler code
for parts of it, if it were so implemented. I'd expect a Common LISP
implemented for a particular processor architecture to do that sort of
thing...
For much the same reason, FORTRAN compilers tend to provide
considerably faster code than C particularly in the context of tight
loops that are working on FP arrays.
C specifies enough of the behaviour of individual operations that
loops cannot be finely tuned by the compiler, whereas the FORTRAN
DO 10 I=1,N
C DO SOMETHING WITH ARRAY A
10 CONTINUE
permits considerable latitude for the compiler to "reason" about the
loop.
In effect, C doesn't have any looping control structure; it instead
has control structures that can be used to *implement* looping control
structures. That pushes the burden of tuning the implementation onto
the developer.
--
"The problem might possibly be to do with the fact that asm code written
for the x86 environment is, on other platforms, about as much use as a
pork pie at a jewish wedding."- Andrew Gierth in comp.unix.programmer
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From: Goran Devic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: high speed floating point coprocessor
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:46:38 GMT
Nope.
goran.at.3dfx.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Would it be possible to utilize a 3dfx 3d-accelerator as
>
> a high speed floating point coprocessor, not necessarily
>
> for displaying anything?
>
> -Jeff
>
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> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: "Evan Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BeOS
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:40:20 -0400
Actually, Be isn't backwards compatible with Mac software since it
has nothing to do with Macs - it was started by a bunch of guys who left
Apple, but it's not Mac software at all. I've been playing with it - I kind
of like
it better than Linux or Windows (no surprise about windows!) but due to lack
of
software support as mentioned it's not that incredible useful yet. So I'm
settling
on Linux. Hopefully software support will catch up with Be (as well as
hardware)
but it's a young OS and it just isn't there...yet. But it's getting better
all the time!
I guess I'll mention what I like better about it. Installation was
ridiculously easy - I ran it,
it asked no questions, and _all_ my PC hardware worked perfectly. (Haven't
tried the scanner yet,
but I haven't tried it on Linux yet either.) Can't guarantee it'll work
that smoothly for
anyone else yet. It's very intuitive to use, I picked it up pretty quickly.
(The window emulater can
also look like Windows or Amiga or Macintosh, and act like it. Pretty
cool.) The Be File System
is based on a relational database, which is pretty cool. I can search my 5
gig partition for files and get
complete results in seconds. Each file has attributes as well. You can
define what you want the attributes
to be. For example, it comes with "People files". You can give them
attributes of first name, last name,
state, e-mail address, etc. The actual file is empty. What's neat about
them is that you can then
sort and subsort by attributes, just like you can sort by attributes in
Windows, by clicking the attribute
header in the file explorer. So I could go to the file explorer, sort all
the files by state, then sub-sort by last name.
Kinda fun.
The multimedia OS is because they support multimedia stuff so well, not
because of the wealth of
apps out there (which is what I thought at first.) Their prime example is
demo-ing the running of
multiple AVI files, which my PC does much better in Be than in any other OS.
So multimedia software on Be,
they claim, would run faster.
Be is completely multithreaded. So put on a machine with X processors, it
should take advantage of all
of them. Someone on a Be site has put it on a new Intel 8-way machine (or 8
550 mhz processors) and it
ran really well on it, using all processors. Furthermore, this gives great
user responsiveness - if you start a big
task, you never get the windows hourglass. The OS itself still responds
wonderfully.
It is posix compliant and runs a bash shell, as was mentioned. Most UNIX
tools can be and have been ported.
However, the software is not open source, so I'm sure a lot of the Linux
community doesn't like that.
Is it better than Linux? Six of one, half dozen of another to me. I like
them both. Neither crash!
BUT Linux has lots of hardware and software support, and Be doesn't. I'm
learning both - I'm
hoping Be catches up and I like Linux quite a bit as well. There's room for
both in my book.
Note that Be doesn't support Java yet, so that's quite a minus for me as
well.
I should mention that I am not any sort of Be expert, I've just been playing
with it lately and like it a
lot.
> >Hi,
> >
> >Hate to bring this up, but what is BeOS? And why to they claim to be
better
> >than Linux? They're thinking of giving it a try at my school, and I'm
just
> >interested in what BeOS really claims to do.
> >
> >Tschuss!
> >
> >Robert Scheyder
>
> Some old news...
> http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,12519,00.html?st.ne.fd.mdh
>
> That didn't pan out with apple, so they started to get the pc market.
> Beos for the Mac was not backwards compatible with other mac programs.
>
> Beos uses it's own file system and runs a bash shell. There are few
> programs for Be and even less hardware support than Slackware 3.0!
>
> Designed for multimedia but doesn't support any multimedia hardware.
> Go figure?
>
>
> Aeon Flux
============================================================================
============
Evan Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.evan.org
Two peanuts crossed the street. One was assaulted.
The other was turned into peanut butter, making it assault and buttery.
Then the cops came and everything was nuts -
but the caught the culprit. He was aroasted.
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Subject: Re: VMware - wow!
From: Viktor Haag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Aug 1999 10:49:15 -0400
steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jason Pell wrote:
>
> > I was not aware that vmware was claiming to be a virtual machine _OS_,
> > but just a virtual machine running _within_ an OS.
> > Your thoughts.
> >
> > Jason
>
> I hope that I didn't imply that I thought it was fraudulent or
> anything. I just don't see it as very useful compared to a
> true virtual machine operating system. Its reliability will
> probably be on the same order as WINE. I'm sure there are
> things one could do with it, but personally I don't think I'd
> want to fiddle with it. Buying a used system for $300 or so
> would give reality and Win/Linux network easily enough.
>
> By all means, go for it. There are all kinds of fun things to
> play with, vmware could well be lots of fun.
VMWare is, for me, much more than a toy. I work in a company
where the vast majority of people operate Win32 desktops. I find
this a completely unsatisfying environment in which to
work. However, Adobe does not manufacture a version of FrameMaker
for any Intel x86 operating system other than Win32: not Linux,
not FreeBSD, not Solarisx86, nothing.
So, thanks to VMWare, I have moved to using Linux on my desktop
(very satisfying thank-you), and use VMWare running a virtual NT
box in order to use the only Win32 app I *must* use to get work
done--FrameMaker.
I'm running a PentiumII-350 (now, a midrange machine I
understand), and while the VM *is* slower than a native metal
box, it's quite usable (and by quite, I mean that I am quite
happy using it for the sole purpose of running FrameMaker.
Sure, I can't run a whole whack of memory-hog apps on Linux at
the same time (like, say, Netscape), without noticeable
perfomance drops, but when I'm working in Frame, I'm general
*working* and have no real need to go surfing...
I have 128MB in my machine, and can run VMWare with a 64MB NT4
virtual machine, with Frame and the Acrobat Distiller running
inside that, and outside it run a couple shells, an Emacs session
and a few other miscellaneous apps (like Ghostview and the
Acrobat Reader), and the system hums along quite nicely
thank-you.
It may not be a perfect solution (it isn't); however, it allows
me to get work done and take advantage of (nearly) a best of both
worlds solution. Until Adobe supports Linux, this is how I do my
work, and I'm quite satisfied, thanks.
I don't work for VMWare, but I would like to say that their
product is more than just a pretty toy. I find it quite useful.
--
Viktor Haag Senior Technical Writer, RIM
"Unix and C are the ultimate computer viruses." -- Richard Gabriel
My opinions are my own, only.
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From: Allin Cottrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:05:23 -0400
"Spike!" quotes:
> > Well it's just done it again! I'm using Red Hat 6, and every now and
> > then, it just decides to log me out, thus losing all unsaved information
> > from the apps I had open. It doesn't give any hint that anything is
> > wrong, it just logs me out. This is _very_ annoying. What was that about
> > Linux being the stablest OS there is?
and writes:
> Looks to me that the OS isn't crashing... It's logging you out.
The OS -- GNU/Linux -- is doing neither of these things. What's
crashing is an immature and over-hyped "desktop environment", namely
Gnome. Just scrap Gnome and use a sensible window manager for X
(e.g. fvwm) and you'll never see this nonsense.
--
Allin Cottrell
Department of Economics
Wake Forest University, NC
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