Linux-Misc Digest #558, Volume #21 Fri, 27 Aug 99 12:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Shutdown Problem (Andy Johnstone)
Re: COMPLETE system LOCKUP Mandrake 6 ("Ben Gunter")
Linux as a mail proxy (Philip S Tellis)
Re: [dos format] in vi (Jon Skeet)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Pat Heuvel)
Broken: Mandrake 6.0-2 w/loop filesystem (Rudy Taraschi)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Wolfram Gloger)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Jon Skeet)
Re: "starve the rotten little bastards" (Phillip Lord)
POP3 server. ("Luca Satolli (KaBooM)")
xconfig problem with DELL UltraScan17ES and ATI XPert98
(=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCI00jaSNjI2gjYSNlI2whISNNI2EjbiNuI2kjbyNuGyhC?=)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Alex Flinsch)
Release 0.1.2 of GOOPS--Guile Object Oriented Programming System (Mikael Djurfeldt)
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Stephan Houben)
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From: Andy Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shutdown Problem
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:41:06 -0400
Not that i know of...besides why would you want to skip it? Skipping it could
lead to VERY serious problems, unlike windoze. Just make sure all your users
know that they have to shutdown, or just leave the box up all the time; it uses
very little power esp. if you have apm on your machine.
andy
stan168 wrote:
> Hi,
> Sorry, if you confuse with the subject above. Linux don't have shutdown
> problem. I was thinking if the user just want to turn off the power without
> doing a shutdown properly. Is there any way to prevent the checking (fsck)
> at booting time and data corruption? Should I use the Embbeded Linux, I
> wonder how the Embbeded Linux handle this case.
>
> Any help will be appreciate, thanks.
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From: "Ben Gunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: COMPLETE system LOCKUP Mandrake 6
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:51:51 -0400
Warren Bell wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>This is my second post on this, I appologize, but I've had a new install
>of Mandrake Linux for three days and had two system lockups! What
>gives? They both happened with netscape open and when it locks, it
>locks hard. No mouse, no keyboard, magic sysrq doesn't even attempt to
>work, can't telnet in from another machine, nothing.
>
>I've seen other people post on this but haven't found any answers. Is
>there any settings I should check in my bios? Something that might be
>conflicting with Linux?
>
>I do have some unmached memory- 2-72pin 32M EDO and 1-168pin 128M SDRAM,
>I don't know if that has anything to do with it but it's done it before
>on me with just the EDO ram.
>
>As far as my hardware, it's pretty basic. Adaptec SCSI controller,
>Seagate Barracuda SCSI HD, Matrox Millennium 2 video and average sound
>card.
>
>Can anyone shed some light on this? I just don't get it. It seems like
>a netscape problem but it locks the whole system.
>
>Thanks
>Warren Bell
I've had this same problem a few times while running RedHat 5.2. I never
figured out for sure what caused it, but judging by the nature of it, I
figured it must have been hardware-related. Nothing worked. Numlock
wouldn't change states, CTRL+ALT+BKSP wouldn't kill the X-server, couldn't
get to a text console, nothing.
The odd thing is that I have none of the hardware you described, and I'm
only using DIMMs. What type of motherboard/CPU are you using? I have a
Matsonic 6260S motherboard, ALi PCI chipset, onboard sound card, AMD K6-2
300 MHz. Any of that sound familiar?
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From: Philip S Tellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux as a mail proxy
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:57:57 +0530
Here's what I need to do:
I have a linux machine, and I have about 50 Win95 machines. All
connected together via ethernet. I have setup Apache as a http proxy,
and have no problems surfing the net from any of the windows machines
through my linux machine.
Now, the next thing I need is to get mail through the linux box. Each
Win95 machine has Netscape on it. The mail server is outside the
company. I need to get the mail directly from the mail server to the
client PC's without storing it on the Linux box. Can I do this?
Other alternative:
Let the Win95 machines try to read mail from my linux box, but when they
try to make a pop3 connection, my linux box should fetch the mail from
the remote server (using fetchmail). No problem here, except - I need
each users' password, and none of them are willing to give it to me.
Also, if they decide to change their passwords, I will have to update
the .fetchmailrc file.
Is there anyway for me to pass the username and password sent by
Netscape to my Linux machine to the remote host, and then send the mail
retrieved from there back to Netscape? This would also have to work
with other mail clients, so has to follow standards.
Please help
Philip
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Subject: Re: [dos format] in vi
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:07:55 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> when I copy and edit(vi) files from cdrom,
> I see a message [dos format] at the bottom of the line and
> even though it is a shell script file, it refuses to run.
> How can I change file property(which property?) and make it
> executable without doing some trivial jobs?
> Of course I tried changing file mode.
It's not a property, it's that instead of linefeed, every line has
carriage-return linefeed at the end of it. There are utilities to switch
between the formats - I believe they're called todos and fromdos.
--
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: Pat Heuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:08:58 +1000
Gday Kev,
kev wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Well it's just done it again! I'm using Red Hat 6, and every now and
> then, it just decides to log me out, thus losing all unsaved information
<...>
The logout is the effect of Enlightenment crashing. I've been
experimenting with it for the past week or so, and I've seen the same
thing happen.
As others have mentioned, try icewm or (my default) fvwm. I know fvwm
hasn't let me down (I've been using it for about four years!).
> Thanks,
>
> - Kev
Hope this helps,
Pat
--
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+ "Logic clearly dictates, that the strokes of the many +
+ outweigh the strokes of the two..." +
+ (Apologies to Mr Spock) +
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rudy Taraschi)
Subject: Broken: Mandrake 6.0-2 w/loop filesystem
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:39:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi folks,
I tried installing Mandrake 6.0-2 using the Lnx4Win utilities to install
it on a DOS partition using the loop filesystem. Install boot is fine,
install goes almost without a hitch (can't find my 3c59x network card,
but that's not my problem).
When I go to do a real boot, it spits out a bunch of warning messages
about file versions being wrong for fat.o, vfat.o and loop.o, then says
it can't find my 'linuxsys.img' and kernel panics. Anyone seen this
before, or am I the only one stupid enough to do a loop install? The
powers that be here at work won't let me do the partition thing. TIA
rudy
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From: Wolfram Gloger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:39:54 +0200
"Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message ...
> >
> > XBasic also is not Free Software
> > (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html). you can't modify
> > and redistribute it, and I'm not sure source is even available.
> >
> > if you want to write Free Software, life will be much easier for your
> > users if you use tools that are Free Software, such as tcl, perl, tk,
> > gtk, fltk, wxWindows, STk, etc.
>
> I am sorry if your understanding of "free" is different than mine.
> To me, if I can get something at no cost, it is free. Furthermore,
> you can freely distribute the source and executable code for any
> application you write in XBasic. If the distinctions you mention
> are important to you, that's fine for you and everyone who has
> the same priorities. But not everyone shares them with you,
> and you cannot expect to redefine words and have everyone
> else on earth conform to them.
Words are practically meaningless without context. These are Linux
newsgroups. Everything that is considered part of the Linux system is
supposed to be `free' at least in the sense of `freedom to modify and
improve'; not everyone but the vast majority of Linux users and (to an
even larger degree) Linux developers share this view. This is also
perceived to be one of the major strengths of freeware as opposed to
software that simply doesn't cost money. So you shouldn't be
surprised if you advocate non-free (in the sense just described)
software and people point at the many available really free
alternatives.
Regards,
Wolfram.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Skeet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:56:24 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am not sure why you say XBasic "is not portable". Perhaps
> I misunderstand your intended meaning, but you seem to say
> XBasic design/architecture make XBasic impossible to port.
My guess is that it's because it's not entirely written in a portable
language. The key is when you put:
"XBasic is written entirely in XBasic (plus a little asm)."
The first bit sounds fine, in that when you write a backend to support a
new architecture, an existing version can write the new one: but
assembler isn't portable.
--
Jon Skeet - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "starve the rotten little bastards"
Date: 27 Aug 1999 14:52:34 +0100
>>>>> "Yury" == Yury Donskoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Yury> I think we should all remember that Mr. Kulisz's email address
Yury> is from Carleton University in Ottawa, and together with some
Yury> of his others posts, this identifies him as an ivory tower
Yury> intellectual
Judging people by their email addresses is usually a foolish
thing to do. My email might suggest that I live in Cambridge, whereas
I dont, or that I work for the MRC, wheras I dont.
Yury> and is therefore to be ignored on general principles.
Its true that some people who work in or for universities
live in an ivory tower. This is also true of many people who work in
industry as well.
If you think that "Mr Kulisz" is a dickhead for what he says,
or how he says it this is a different issue, and you should fool free
to say so, but if you comment on what you have decided he may be you
make yourself look more foolish.
Yury> He, like the other ITIs, ignores the fact that many millions
Yury> of people(myself included) have already passed the verdict on
Yury> wether to live under communism or under an imperfect
Yury> capitalism/democracy
Indeed. Ive never been asked what my choice was. I was born
into the system. Incidentally when was is that you decided that
capitalism/democracy was the way forward? What action of yours was is
that caused the introduction of the new system into whatever country
it is/was that you live(d) in.
Yury> He also has a problem to child poverty. So do I. However, if
Yury> you pay attention to the much-spouted statistics, you realize
Yury> that the most of those children come from single-parent(read,
Yury> female) families. The solution is not to give them more
Yury> money: that only breeds more child poverty, quite often
Yury> literally.
I would be interested in how a single parent family can
breed anything. This Malthusian notion of population control is really
rather silly in most of the free market countries. The population in
my country for instance is not going up at a massive rate, although
the rate of child poverty is going up. The reasons are complex but the
lack of decent housing, the lack of education, health care, the
absence of jobs are major factors. However in this wonderous "free
market" society we seem to have decided that these issues should be
decided by the magic wand of economics, whereas they should be decided
by society.
Now its possible that I work in an Ivory tower and know
nothing of what I am talking. This might be true, because I do. But I
live in an inner city, and have spent much time with people who live
in other inner cities around the country and the same issues come up
again and again. Society needs to address the issues so that we can
stop wasting the talents and lifes of the people born to these areas.
Phil
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From: "Luca Satolli (KaBooM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux
Subject: POP3 server.
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:49:12 +0200
Is a pop3 server in Red Hat 5.2/6.0?
Thanks a lot & best Regards
Luca Satolli
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: xconfig problem with DELL UltraScan17ES and ATI XPert98
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:47:40 +0900
I'm using xconfig and/or Xconfigurator and I can't get X11 video working.
My monitor (where I think the problem is):
DELL UltraScan 17ES
My video card:
ATI XPert @ Play 98 AGP2X 8MB
My Linux version:
Redhat 5.1
I'm using a Horizontal frequency range is set to 30-78 and vertical range
is 50-130 (got these from windows where the monitor is supported)
I am seeing output however the horizontal and vertical sync appears wrong
making it unreadable.
Help? any advice, correct settings out there?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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From: Alex Flinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:25:55 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Sure, python's treatment of white-space sucks, but perl, well... in
> perl, it's the *non-white-space* that sucks.
>
> [I find it quite sad that an otherwise nice language like python has
> such a huge festering blemish. What *was* the author thinking?!?]
>
I believe the author was thinking about code readability. Python was also
partially developed as a "teaching" language, one with which to learn the
basics of programming. In that sense the idea of significant whitespace
makes a lot of sense.
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From: Mikael Djurfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.announce,alt.sources.d,,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.scheme.c,comp.lang.lisp,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Release 0.1.2 of GOOPS--Guile Object Oriented Programming System
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:42:59 +0200
Reply-To: Mikael Djurfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Stephan Houben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:51:15 +0200
"Max Reason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am sorry if your understanding of "free" is different than mine.
> To me, if I can get something at no cost, it is free. Furthermore,
> you can freely distribute the source and executable code for any
> application you write in XBasic. If the distinctions you mention
> are important to you, that's fine for you and everyone who has
> the same priorities. But not everyone shares them with you,
> and you cannot expect to redefine words and have everyone
> else on earth conform to them.
Actually, the distinction mentioned is recognized by almost anyone
on the comp.os.linux.* hierarchy. I base this fact on the numerous
threads that have discussed whether some product X or license Y
could be considered "Free" (sometimes "Free" in the "Free Speech")
sense. So the "general use" in this newsgroup is certainly not
zero-cost.
Bottom line: you are the one who is redefining words here.
Greetings,
Stephan
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