Linux-Misc Digest #681, Volume #21 Sun, 5 Sep 99 15:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Hotmail anyone? (Yan Seiner)
Re: dvorak keyboard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Keith Blakemore-Noble ")
What are the easiest IRC and email clients for new users? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Recommend .html editor/publisher? (Rod Roark)
gimmick (Mitja)
Netscape color (=?iso-8859-1?q?Keith=20Brown?=)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Bill Unruh)
Re: dvorak keyboard (Prasanth Kumar)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (teknite)
Re: pppd-2.3.7 with kernel-2.2.10 problem (Bill Unruh)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Joe Cosby)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Flash)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Anthony Ord)
Re: HDD losing data? (John Girash)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:48:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul E. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...<snip>...
>
>That's not what I've read here. I have read here that one has to
>compile a driver into the kernel, or have it merged into the kernel, in
>order for it to work, and to remove such a driver requires a recompile
>and/or reboot. Since I have not tried it yet, I don't know from
>experience, but if this is not the case, it would help make Linux more
>palatable.
Most drivers can be compiles separately as modules these days.
There may be some that cannot. Also, the drivers are loaded from a
file system, so the kernel has to have compiled in code to access that
file system. If the modules are on a SCSI disk, the kernel has to have
the SCSI drivers compiled in, but IDE drivers could be modules for
instance. If the modules were on an IDE drive, the reverse would be
true. You can insert and remove modules from a running kernel.
--
No statement is wholly true, not even this one.
also: remove "UhUh" and "Spam" to get my real email address -----
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hotmail anyone?
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:08:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been living under a rock for the last 2 weeks - actually, I had 4
major deadlines, so all I caught of it was a short, non-technical
blurb. I'd like to get some more info.
Yan
AD wrote:
>
> Other then every major news outlet, no.
> Did it happen again?
>
> On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 07:46:46 -0400, Yan Seiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Anyone have any info on the hotmail breakin?
> >
> >Yan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: dvorak keyboard
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:58:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone know if linux understands dvorak keyboard?
> Any info on this would be appreciated. I am thinking
> of getting a new keyboard and considering a dvorak.
Now that's interesting. Does that mean a hardware Dvorak setting? If so,
where can you get them?
I have successfully changed the layout of an existing keyboard to Dvorak
using Linux; if that is what you want, I can describe how that is done.
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Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
From: "Keith Blakemore-Noble " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:11:36 GMT
On or around Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:50:07 GMT, John T Maguire wrote
something about "Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution"...
> >It's Gif, not jif!!
> >
> >(Unless, of course, one chooses to pronounce "graphic" [the first
> >word in "gif"] as "jraphic", perhaps? :) ).
> >
> The creators of the gif format insist it's `jif'
One must assume that they pronouce jpeg as "gpej" then? ;-)
Besides, given UniSys's patent clampdowns of late, hopefully the issue
will be moot soon...
> How's your Omega?
Omeja, shurely?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What are the easiest IRC and email clients for new users?
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:06:48 GMT
I'm looking for IRC and email clients for X. I've found some, but don't want to
try them all to see which are best for my 14 year old daughter. She is familiar
with mirc and Eudora in Windows. The ability to log sessions on irc is a must.
Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
Wade Segade
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Recommend .html editor/publisher?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 17:12:09 GMT
Tobias Anderberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I want to make simple web pages, with text, insetted .gifs and .jpgs,
>>and links and bookmarks.
>[...]
>>I need something that works, and with a non-programmer interface (GUI
>>preferred). I want it to be like a word processor. Just type in text,
>>set the font attribute, import a graphic, and poof, out comes the .html
>Have you tried the one that comes with Netscape? I havn't
>tried it myself so I really can't say much about it.
It's pretty poor. Just learn HTML instead, and use your favorite
text editor. It's not hard and you'll be glad you did.
-- Rod
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From: Mitja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: gimmick
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:03:55 +0200
Please help me about errors whic i have every time under X-windows.
My system:
SuSE 6.1, kernel 2.2.7, KDE 1.1.1.
G. card: Matrox Millenium G200 (8 MB)
Thanks in advance,
Mitja
Some pixmaps are not valid: GimmickMode dissabled
kwm: X_ConfigureWindow(0x2000090): BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
kwm: X_ConfigureWindow(0x140006d): BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
kwm: X_ConfigureWindow(0x20000b0): BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
kwm: X_ConfigureWindow(0x140006d): BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
kwm: X_ConfigureWindow(0x20000d0): BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
kwm: X_ConfigureWindow(0x140006d): BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
KiKbd: X11 error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
KiKbd: selectWindowInput: XGetWindowAttributes: error: window ID: 380001a
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?iso-8859-1?q?Keith=20Brown?=)
Subject: Netscape color
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:04:50 -0800
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Real Discussions for Real People
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:08:41 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
>Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
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From: Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: dvorak keyboard
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:19:07 GMT
John Doe wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if linux understands dvorak keyboard?
> Any info on this would be appreciated. I am thinking
> of getting a new keyboard and considering a dvorak.
Under Redhat Linux, run 'kbdconfig' and select one of the
dvorak keyboard maps. Under other Linux distributions, they might
have their own tool or you need to read up on the 'loadkeys' utility.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:17:21 GMT
On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:17:18 -0500, Paul E. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>"Jeffrey C. Dege" wrote:
>>
>> You still have the option of compiling drivers into the kernel, and
>> there are one or two oddball drivers that can only be linked that
>> way, but the great majority of drivers can be dynamically loaded.
>
>Ok, but can they be dynamically unloaded, when no longer needed?
To tell the truth, the modules that I use are for things like scsi
drivers, and I've never not needed them.
--
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that worked ...A complex system designed from scratch never
works and cannot be patched up to make it work. You have to start over,
beginning with a working simple system.
-- Grady Booch
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (teknite)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 11:23:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 5 Sep 1999 04:54:05 GMT, Lizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>a)When I installed my ethernet card (using linuxconf). It nicely installed,
>and I could then 'ping' anywhere I wanted, proving I was on the net, DNS
>was working, etc. Tried to launch Netscape. Nothing happened. Tried some
>other apps. Nothing happened. Tried to logout (this is all under Gnome,
>BTW). Nothing happened. No windows could open, it seemed. Finally had to do
>a power-down to get out of it.
LinuxConf went nuts on me also removing PPP and VFat support from the kernal.
All I did was add a user, which didn't work either and I had to
remove and add it again to work.
My opinion is SuSE is a much better disto for a newbie.
>
>c)Not quite a crash, but several times, when I have tried to go to a page
>that 404s under netscape, netscape just closes down. Charming again. (Go to
>the Linuxberg page, go to Gnome software, go to Newsreaders, click on the
>first one, it's the only 5-penguin product. Try to go to the home page.
>Kaboom!)
Some versions of Netscape are buggy. I am using Communicator 4.51 and it
works nicely. Set the fonts to Helvicta 14 point and it even looks
reasonable. BTW you can kill the process if it hangs without rebooting.
>Now, on to software. First off, has anyone thought of putting in the
>INSTALL text file words to the effect of "you better untar this from /,
>otherwise, you'll end up creating a zillion useless directories where you
>don't want them because there's no way to tell tar to go to the root to
>start?" Apparently not. Do not assume your users intuitively know where
>software is 'supposed' to go, especially if they've been trained on OSes
>that don't give a damn.
This confuses me also, but I have been untarring under /root and so far
everything has gone in its place correctly.
>First task, of course, is to find a decent newsreader. It appears there
>aren't any, at least if I want to use something a little more
>sophisiticated than trn, tin, slrn, or other 'cat walking on the keyboard'
>inspired names. Those were lovely in 1980. This is almost 2000. I couldn't
>find anything under X to compare with Newswatcher on the Mac or Free Agent
>under Windows. Ditto, nothing to match Eudora for mail.
I'm an avid Agent fan and most likely one of the few that actually
paid for and registered my copy. I went "cold turkey" and
started using slrn with leafnode. I had some initial problems
due to my having .slrnrc and .newsrc files scattered about
(damm did that ever cause problems!) but a few questions
in the appropriate newsgroups got me up and running.
SLRN is very powerful but it is different from Agent.
Just because it is text based doesn't mean it's from the 1980's.
Print out the help screens so you know what keys do what
and give it a fair shake. You will be surprised how nice
it can be. One last thing, dump vim and use pico for your
editor. It is much easier to use and if you need the power
of vim you can always learn it later.
>Of course, of the software I did find, I couldn't get any of it to run. I
>attempted to install Doom (shareware version) and Gnomehack (A gnome-
>enabled version of nethack).
Your PATH statement or permissions is probably screwed up. I had this problem
with RH 6.0 also. Again I would suggest SuSE as a better package.
>Doom:Untarred it into my home directory. Discovered that it really wanted
>to be untarred from the root directory. Tried to copy it there, found out I
>had to BE root to copy it to \, su'ed to root, tried it again, untarred it,
>tried to run it...got some random 'file not found' error.
See above........
>
>Is it just me, or is X rather, uhm, sluggish? I have a PII 400 and the
>whole GUI felt like it was running in molasses. Is there some 'trick' to
>speeding it up?
Depends on your card. I am using a Matrox G200 and it is quite fast.
>
>Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
>'FooBar1.01-45A-intel-linux-2.0' is a *stupid* name for a directory. (Or a
>file, for that matter). Since the Macintosh, which also permits very long
Linux is in constant development and when versions are released
one after the other there has to be some way of keeping
track so overwriting doesn't happen.
Use Xrpm or Kpackage and learn to use the backspace key.
>
>More rants as the situation warrents. BTW, how good is CodeWarrior as an
>IDE? I used it on the mac and loved it, and it's for sale cheap for Linux
>at my local CompUSA...recommendations/condemnations welcome.
Don't know. "Hello World" is as far as I ever got with TurboC++.
teknite
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: pppd-2.3.7 with kernel-2.2.10 problem
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:20:34 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AGX) writes:
>This is my peer file ...
>/dev/ttyS1 crtscts 115200 modem ms-dns 192.168.0.1 ms-dns 151.99.125.2
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why are you trying to tell your ISP what his DNS are? Surely your ISP
knows his DNS addresses. If you are trying to tell your system, then
put these into /etc/resolv.conf, not as ms-dns options. (read man pppd)
>connect "chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chatscripts/nuovo"
>noauth defaultroute
>Sep 5 11:13:03 uglypenguin modprobe: can't locate module ppp-compress-21
>Sep 5 11:13:03 uglypenguin modprobe: can't locate module ppp-compress-26
>Sep 5 11:13:03 uglypenguin modprobe: can't locate module ppp-compress-24
Put
alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp
alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate # From original RFC draft
alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate # Final standard per ppp-2.3.4
into /etc/conf.modules to get rid of these.
>Sep 5 11:13:04 uglypenguin pppd[23629]: local IP address 194.243.244.245
>Sep 5 11:13:04 uglypenguin pppd[23629]: remote IP address 194.243.244.226
You do not have the debug option set for pppd, so any debugging is
difficult. Also make sure syslog.conf is set up to log daemon.info level
messages.
>Sep 5 11:13:04 uglypenguin pppd[23629]: proc file system not mounted
This is a more severe problem. Do youhave the proc filesystem mounted?
Ie, does /proc exist and have things in it?
check /etc/fstab for a line like
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
>This is the routing table (route -n) after the connection .....
>Kernel IP routing table
>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
>194.243.244.226 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
>0.0.0.0 194.243.244.226 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0
Looks fine
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 5 Sep 1999 13:08:03 -0400
On 5 Sep 1999 04:54:05 GMT, Lizard wrote:
>Er...maybe.
>other apps. Nothing happened. Tried to logout (this is all under Gnome,
>BTW). Nothing happened. No windows could open, it seemed. Finally had to do
>a power-down to get out of it.
My recommendation: Remove GNOME and install KDE.
>A few suggestions, mostly random:
>Why the SMEG does X write output to STDOUT when you can't SEE it until you
It doesn't. It's on stderr
>leave X? At the very least, the user should have the option of all error
>messages being written to an X Terminal visible on their desktop. There's
>nothing like shutting down X and seeing a screenful of error messages which
>would have been a lot more helpful to know about WHEN I GENERATED THEM!
You can switch virtual consoles with Alt-Ctrl-F1
Or you could just redirect to a file with
startx 2>error
>If you are going to have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen, make sure
>the applications know it is there. Maximizing Netscape hides the taskbar,
>for example.
THis is GNOME stupidity. The problem is that the window manager doesn't
know about the taskbar. Solution: if you want sensible window manager
behaviour, use KDE.
>Is it just me, or is X rather, uhm, sluggish? I have a PII 400 and the
It's enlightenment that is sluggish.
>Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
>'FooBar1.01-45A-intel-linux-2.0' is a *stupid* name for a directory. (Or a
>file, for that matter). Since the Macintosh, which also permits very long
>file names, is NOT afflicted with this sort of nonsense, I don't see why
>Linux has to be.
Huh ?
>More rants as the situation warrents. BTW, how good is CodeWarrior as an
>IDE? I used it on the mac and loved it, and it's for sale cheap for Linux
>at my local CompUSA...recommendations/condemnations welcome.
What kind of programming are you interested in ?
C++ ? C ? Java ? Perl/Tcl/python ?
Cheers,
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Cosby)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 5 Sep 1999 17:37:21 GMT
** To reply in e-mail, remove "qytnyv." from address **
"Keith Blakemore-Noble " hunched over his computer, typing feverishly; thunder
crashed, "Keith Blakemore-Noble " laughed madly, then wrote:
> On or around Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:50:07 GMT, John T Maguire wrote
> something about "Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution"...
>
> > >It's Gif, not jif!!
> > >
> > >(Unless, of course, one chooses to pronounce "graphic" [the first
> > >word in "gif"] as "jraphic", perhaps? :) ).
> > >
> > The creators of the gif format insist it's `jif'
>
> One must assume that they pronouce jpeg as "gpej" then? ;-)
Actually it's spelled "gpej" but it's pronounced "Throatwarbler
Mangrove"
>
> > How's your Omega?
>
> Omeja, shurely?
For the last time: don't call him Shirly.
--
Joe Cosby
Lame Jokes at Discount Rates
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Flash)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: Flash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I can't wait until Linux has a stable Graphical Web Browser. Sometimes I
just Lynx my way through the web, because I dread the Netscape
instability.
I love Netscape, when it works, but it is just not stable.
This is the weak link in the Linux Web Surfing experience. People assume
this has something to do with the OS, but it never takes down the kernel
(or even X for that matter). Still, for a Unix application - Netscape is
by far the most unstable, non-beta app I have used.
But if you look at the size of the modern web browser as being larger than
some OS's, I guess it isn't that surprising.
I hope the Mozilla project yields something usable.
In article <7qubj9$7q7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Unruh wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Netscape is quite probably the most fragile program I've run under
>>Linux. You probably didn't have to power down, though. Ctl-Alt-Fx to
>
>I just had the priviledge of using it under Solaris. It is just as
>fragile there. It is Netscape, not Linux.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:26:04 GMT
On 5 Sep 1999 04:54:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lizard) wrote:
>OK, finally managed to get Linux (Redhat 6.0) installed on my PC *and*
>seeing my SDSL line (the last was the tricksy bit). Ah, at last! I shall be
>free of the eternally crashing Windows OS and the tyranny of Chairman Bill!
>Liberty shall be mine!
>
>Er...maybe.
>
>First off, I must be some sort of God of System Failure, as 'crashproof'
>Linux bombed on me with Gatesian frequency. A few samples:
>a)When I installed my ethernet card (using linuxconf). It nicely installed,
>and I could then 'ping' anywhere I wanted, proving I was on the net, DNS
>was working, etc. Tried to launch Netscape. Nothing happened. Tried some
>other apps. Nothing happened. Tried to logout (this is all under Gnome,
>BTW). Nothing happened. No windows could open, it seemed. Finally had to do
>a power-down to get out of it.
How long did you wait for these things? Linux doesn't give you an hourglass to
show you things are loading. If you are impatient, you'll quite X before
NetscapeN has finished loading.
Hint 1: Install a cpu-meter. When it pegs, NN is still loading.
Hint 2: Control-Alt-Backspace gets you out of X quick.
>b)Installed 'metacard' (a hypercard clone) off the Redhat applications CD.
>Tried to run the demo. My screen went black and my mouse decided to move to
>the lefthand side of the screen without my hand being on it.
I've never seen that. It's much more usual that the mouse goes dead.
>Charming.
>Again, power-down was the only solution. (I did get the application to run,
>but I've been afraid to try the demo since then.)
>
>c)Not quite a crash, but several times, when I have tried to go to a page
>that 404s under netscape, netscape just closes down.
Which NetscapeN?
>Charming again. (Go to
>the Linuxberg page, go to Gnome software, go to Newsreaders, click on the
>first one, it's the only 5-penguin product. Try to go to the home page.
>Kaboom!)
>
>d)A few other crashes, I forget the circumstances. Rather than the robust
>he-man operating system I was expecting, I find I am terrified to do
>anything, for fear of having to reboot yet again. (At least when Windows
>crashes, it displays a dialog box TELLING you it has crashed. Linux just
>sits there, taunting you.) (I know, I know, "I kept my Linux box running
>for 14 months and it only stopped because the local power plant exploded."
>But let me guess -- it was running as a server, happily chugging through a
>limited set of routines. It didn't actually have a real human being
>pounding on it, running dubious shareware, mucking with config files, etc,
>did it? Aha. Didn't think so.)
Yes it does. It even has a dubious real human being who runs as root all the
time even when playing Quake2. Yes I know I'm not supposed to.
>Now, on to software. First off, has anyone thought of putting in the
>INSTALL text file words to the effect of "you better untar this from /,
>otherwise, you'll end up creating a zillion useless directories where you
>don't want them because there's no way to tell tar to go to the root to
>start?"
Hint 3: man tar
Hint 4: tar -xz -C / -f <your binary archive>
x=Xtract
z=gzip (leave it out if you've already gunzip'ed it).
C= Change directory (to the root in this case) - note case is important c
means create.
f=do it from a file.
Hint 5: use the midnight commander.
>Apparently not. Do not assume your users intuitively know where
>software is 'supposed' to go, especially if they've been trained on OSes
>that don't give a damn.
Hint 6: Use an RPM, not a tar.gz
>First task, of course, is to find a decent newsreader. It appears there
>aren't any, at least if I want to use something a little more
>sophisiticated
You mean you want more eye-candy. Use PAN.
>than trn, tin, slrn, or other 'cat walking on the keyboard'
>inspired names. Those were lovely in 1980. This is almost 2000. I couldn't
>find anything under X to compare with Newswatcher on the Mac or Free Agent
>under Windows. Ditto, nothing to match Eudora for mail.
>
>Of course, of the software I did find, I couldn't get any of it to run. I
>attempted to install Doom (shareware version) and Gnomehack (A gnome-
>enabled version of nethack).
>
>Doom:Untarred it into my home directory. Discovered that it really wanted
>to be untarred from the root directory. Tried to copy it there, found out I
>had to BE root to copy it to \, su'ed to root, tried it again, untarred it,
>tried to run it...got some random 'file not found' error.
Doom is very old - you need the old libraries.
Hint 7: Do an 'ldd doom' on the executable to see exactly what you are
missing.
The old libraries should be on your CD somewhere.
Hint 8: Run Quake. It looks better.
>Gnomehack:More-or-less the same phenomenon. Addendum:The INSTALL file for
>nethack tells you that, when you're done, to just type 'nethack' and play!
>Unfortunately, it doesn't tell you the nethack executable is buried in the
>src directory. It also didn't work.
Hint 9: Use an RPM.
>Thus far, this has been inauspicious. I'm not giving up -- I know most of
>my problems are due more to newbie cluelessness than OS problems, and I
>intend to dive in to man pages, documentation, etc, in order to figure out
>what I'm doing wrong. But there's plenty of people who won't make the
>effort, and, if you REALLY want to unseat Chairman Bill, you've got to
>think about them.
>
>A few suggestions, mostly random:
>Why the SMEG does X write output to STDOUT when you can't SEE it until you
>leave X?
Hint 10:Use control-alt-f1 (or f2 or f3 or whatever to get to the console you
launched it from, or
Hint 11: alternatively from inside an Xterm use a 'tail -f Xmessages' (or
whatever it's called in RedHat).
>At the very least, the user should have the option of all error
>messages being written to an X Terminal visible on their desktop. There's
>nothing like shutting down X and seeing a screenful of error messages which
>would have been a lot more helpful to know about WHEN I GENERATED THEM!
Hint 12: Direct them to a file and use tail -f in an Xterm.
>If you are going to have a taskbar at the bottom of the screen, make sure
>the applications know it is there. Maximizing Netscape hides the taskbar,
>for example. For that matter, clicking on the various task buttons (like,
>to bring up one of my terminals) just plays a pretty 'boing' sound. I have
>to manually minimize windows to find the one I want. So what's the point?
>(Maybe some error message was displayed...on the text screen I can't see
>'cause I'm running X!)
>
>Is it just me, or is X rather, uhm, sluggish? I have a PII 400 and the
>whole GUI felt like it was running in molasses. Is there some 'trick' to
>speeding it up?
Run an accelerated X server. Again what version?
>'Samegnome' is disturbingly addictive.
Never heard of it - what is it?
>Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
>'FooBar1.01-45A-intel-linux-2.0' is a *stupid* name for a directory. (Or a
>file, for that matter). Since the Macintosh, which also permits very long
>file names, is NOT afflicted with this sort of nonsense, I don't see why
>Linux has to be.
>
>More rants as the situation warrents. BTW, how good is CodeWarrior as an
>IDE? I used it on the mac and loved it, and it's for sale cheap for Linux
>at my local CompUSA...recommendations/condemnations welcome.
Unknown.
Regards
Anthony
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HDD losing data?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 17:02:35 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: It looks like the machine was caching the files to memory and not
: writing to the disk, so that when rebooting the files were lost. This is
: a worrying problem and I don't know if this is likely to be a kernel
: problem or a hardware problem or a problem with something distributed
: with Mandrake.
The kernel should *not* act like that. I'd start checking hardware/drives.
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