Linux-Misc Digest #823, Volume #21 Wed, 15 Sep 99 16:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Anthony Ord)
Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!! (Nicolas De Rico)
Re: can't set up emacs (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent? (Goran Larsson)
Re: Telnet as root (Marco Anglesio)
pls help : in.rexecd hangs (S.T. Wong)
HELP libc - glib problem (Jeffrey Hood)
Re: setuid shell scripts (Paul Kimoto)
Linux Quake2 3.20 w/ Voodoo3 2000 (MaNiAc)
Re: HELP: please explain SU access (Doug Renner)
Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent? (Joerg Schilling)
Re: bash key binding (Klaus Alexander Seistrup)
Re: Dial in PPP -- the next step (Bill Unruh)
Re: Metro Link OSF/Motif - Does it exist? (Bernie Borenstein)
Re: Linux dialin, assigning dynamic IP, allowing internet access (Dustin Puryear)
Re: Print to fax in Redhat 6 / StarOffice 5.1 ??? ("Dr. Thomas Bengs")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:24:18 GMT
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:53:44 -0700, K. Bjarnason
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, I think the UI needs to become a whole lot more friendly, and -
>despite rants from some of the *nix crowd - more standardized, but given
>that - and compatibility with existing Windows apps, at least in terms
>of sharing data files - then yes, that could well be.
>
>I still say the UI needs to become standardized.
Standardised on what? What about going for the most common denominator? Which
is the UI that is available to most people? Assuming Microsoft products are as
popular as people state they are, we'll just look at their stuff.
Well, some people are running MSDOS, some people are running Win (NT) 3.x,
some people are running Win95/NT 4, some people are running the web interface
in Win98/Win95/NT4/Win2k. Now what interface is available as a common theme on
all those machines that people can learn with the certainty? Hmm...
It's the DOS-u-like command line interface isn't it? That's available in all
those machines. If they learn that, they'll never be stuck, because it's
always available.
What? You don't like it? Tough. It's the One True Way! It's so popular, why
would we need anything better? Besides, we've standardised on it, if you want
something else, that would not be standard, And That Can Not Be Allowed (tm).
I hope that you've seen the error in your ways. A command line wouldn't bother
me, but I probably would bother you. Of course that doesn't matter because it
has been Standardised and hence your opinions are irrelevant.
>Envision for the
>moment your next-door-neighbour John running Linux at home and at work.
>At home he's bought distro X and a month later, the office decides to go
>with distro Y - with a completely (or at least significantly) different
>UI. Now he has to either learn both, or throw his out and buy distro Y.
Why? GUIs have not been fundamentally different since Xerox PARC. In fact GUIs
in general try to capitalise on our visualisation capabilities and our
abilities to create simple models of complex situations, and that hasn't
changed significantly since the advent of farming.
>Fine; he gets the hang of that, then heads down to the local library,
>which, in a fit of helpfulness, has decided to install computers to help
>people find things, copy files, etc, etc. Except, it uses distro Z with
>yet another interface.
>
>Getting annoyed, he heads over to his friend Bill's place, and Bill
>wants to show him the new software he just got. Sit down, John, and
>fire up "SDemo". Umm... sorry, Bill, this is distro Q, and I have no
>idea how to work it.
"So coming from his Windows 98 computer, he heads down to Bill's place. Bill
wants to show him his new Mac software. John says 'I don't know how to work
your machine. I can't use windows, icons, menus or pointers.' Bill immediately
get's on the phone. 'Hi - pod people's hotline? Hello, it looks like one of
them got my friend John. They've replaced him with a particularly brainless
example though.'".
>Even assuming all four are fairly simple interfaces, he still has to
>cope with four of them, even though he's only using *one* OS - and
>possibly even one *version* of that OS.
Ah, so this explains why upgrading from Win 3.1 to Win 95 and then to IE 4 led
to mass suicides.
Or perhaps people are less stupid than you would like to portray them.
>Sure, this is an excessive example - intentionally. The point is, if
>you encounter and have to cope with more than one machine, unless you're
>the geek/admin type to start with, it's liable to be confusing - but
>what, if any, concrete benefit is there to it?
The benefit is competition. The benefit is personal choice. One size does not
fit all.
An example is politics. In America, the Republican party seems to win most
Presidential elections, so why don't you standardise on it? The savings in
campaign expenses would be tremendous, and the benefits of long-term stability
cannot be over-estimated. Presidents can deliver long-term road maps and know
they will be around to deliver.
What? You're a Democrat? I'm sorry, but that's just not the Standard. You'll
have to change.
Regards
Anthony
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From: Nicolas De Rico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:56:56 -0300
Windows is like heroine. You have to flush it out of your system. You
do that by formating your hard drive and installing Linux. Keep your
system Windows-free for 2 months and then you'll feel much better. If
you think that you can't live without win-application A or B, then it's
just the addiction talking. The Win-Purge may hurt you at first, but
not for long.
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: can't set up emacs
Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:21:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Greer wrote:
> I think using the [ESC] key for commands is really
> awful. I type 60wpm and really like using the keyboard as fast
> as I can. Hitting the [ESC] slows everything down. I guess I
> can change the keybindings to [CTRL] - <something> can't I?
If you use the standard keyboard setup as decreed by Americans,
you can (already) use `C-[' to mean [ESC]. (Amazing!)
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goran Larsson)
Subject: Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:50:23 GMT
In article <7rnrvm$1vf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ..... unless the tape drive has been connected incorrectly as it hast been
> with the old NCR towers.....
.. and QIC tapes on Silicon Graphics. Stupid decision.
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Goran Larsson hoh AT approve DOT se
I was an atheist, http://home DOT swipnet DOT se/hoh/
until I found out I was God.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: Telnet as root
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:44:20 GMT
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:24:23 -0700, Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>what's wrong with using su or su - and not opening up security holes ??
Really, you should be using ssh as joe user and only then using su; you
have to transmit the root password in plaintext when you're telnetted in.
But, yes, using su is preferable to allowing root logins.
marco
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S.T. Wong)
Subject: pls help : in.rexecd hangs
Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:47:19 GMT
Hello,
We're using RH 5.2 (kernel 2.2.0). I enabled rexecd, which hangs when rexec
is run on other hosts. I scanned newsgroup and tried following workarounds
but have no luck:
1. Edit the file /etc/pam.d/rexec and comment out the line:
auth required /lib/security/pam_securetty.so
2. Place rexecd in the directory /local/bin. Edit the file /etc/inetd.conf,
uncomment the exec line and set as:
exec stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /local/bin/rexecd
and then relaunch inetd with: `killall -HUP inetd`
Would anyone please help?
Thanks a lot!
Regards,
ST Wong
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey Hood)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HELP libc - glib problem
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:02 -0400
I am running Caldera 1.3... have installed it on multiple boxes, but the
last one that I put it on I thought that I was going to only install what
I needed, and didn't do the default install... in trying to load the
blackdown jdk 1.1.7, after a huge amount of fiddling around, I found that
I had to do an export NS_JAVA=true to get the threading stuff to work...
but then I tried to install the jsdk and Apache JServ, and now I get a
... libXpm.so.4 error in the threading libraries...
Basically I would like to know what packages/distributions I need to
install to get all of the java stuff working, as well as get all of the
libs that I will need... I do not have the X stuff installed on that
box, and am guessing that that is part of the difference...
libs installed:
libc-5.4.46-2
libc-devlel-5.4.46-2
libc-pthreads-5.4.46-2
XFree86-libs-3.3.3.1-49
And also, trying to install the glibc-2.0.7-29 rpm generates all kinds of
conflict errors... as well as trying to install the xpm-3.4k-1 rpm
complains of failed dependencies in ld-linux.so.2, libc.so.6, etc...
HELP!!!
Thanks in advance...
JH
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Jeffrey Hood
Senior Analyst
Norsoft, Inc.
jhood(you-know-why)@epix.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: setuid shell scripts
Date: 15 Sep 1999 11:28:47 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Markus Hasen�hrl wrote:
> I recently upgraded my old suse linux 5.3 to a newer 6.1 (kernel 2.2.5 I
> believe) and now have the problem that shell-scripts with the setuid-bit set
> do not work any longer (the effective user-ID is not changed when the script
> runs).
> Is that a new security feature and is there any way to enable setuid shell
> scrips again?
Setuid shell scripts as such should never have worked under Linux
(wouldn't they require that /bin/bash be installed setuid?). If
you mean something like "scripts run with UID != EUID", and your
current installation uses bash version 2.03, then look in the
bash(1) man page for the "-p" option (around 190 lines down).
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: MaNiAc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Quake2 3.20 w/ Voodoo3 2000
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:31:19 GMT
I downloaded and installed the Voodoo3 Linux drivers just as instructed on
the http://www.xxedge.xx.com/3DFXRPMS.html page. And now I'm able to run
X-Windows in SVGA mode perfectly fine yet I cannot get Quake II to run. If
anyone could provide some rather explicit instructions (or at least how you
did it) in how to get Quake II to run in Linux with a Voodoo3 2000 card
that would be greatly appreciated.
(: ^ )
-MaNiAc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Renner)
Crossposted-To: alt.2600,comp.security.unix,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: HELP: please explain SU access
Date: 15 Sep 1999 18:49:16 GMT
In article <7ron6b$pjf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>When a superuser priviledge is given to an account,
Superuser priviledge is UID 0, that would be a 0(zero)
in the 3rd field of /etc/passwd.
If you only want to give somebody certain rights on the machine,
chgrp the files to a particular group, chmod the files to be
group readable/writeable (e.g. chmod g+r or chmod g+w), and
add that user to /etc/group.
A nice example of this under Debian GNU/Linux is the files in
/var/log. They, by default are owned by root:adm (group adm) and
are mode 640 (group readable). If you want to let a user read those
logs, add them to group 'adm' in /etc/group. I extensively grant
group permissions for file system access, but not for SUID
binaries. That might be a good idea though.
A better idea for you might be SUDO, su2, or ! (bang). SUDO
ships with most major Linux distributions or it can be found
at http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/. I like it.
>After the /etc/groups file has been modified.
>Is there any other command that needs to be run
>in order for the user to be able to run the SU
>command from their account?
Once you add somebody to a group, you may need to log out to make it
take effect.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Are tar tapes OS dependent?
Date: 15 Sep 1999 19:02:41 GMT
In article <7rop2k$2pom$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7rnpbo$1cb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Given a tape of unknown heritage can the physical record blocking be
>>>determined, and how?
>>
>>From reading that Linux has a mt setblk, I would guess that Linux does
>>not implement blocking correctly.
>>
>>On a real UNIX system, you call tar with a big enough block size and then
>>let tar find out which blocksize is on the tape by issuing the first read
>>command.
>
>"Real UNIX?"????
>I thought this was a device-specific option where the default
>is usually controlled by firmware or switches and could
>be modified by standard scsi commands issued by the mt program.
OK, I checked again and unfortunately, UNIX-98 has no mt program ;-)
>If you are in variable length mode, it works as you say above
>returning one tape block when you ask for something larger.
The mt command first appeared in BSD4.3. There was no difference
between variable length mode and fixed length mode.
Let's first assume that everything that appeared after 4.3BSD
is OS specific and no standard on UNIX.
Tapes on 4.3BAD either were fixed on 512 bytes or variable by
comtrolled by the write() system call.
>
>>Tar then will read the next blocks with this blocksize.
>
>Once upon a time you had to use the -B option to tell it
>to reblock short reads, but maybe that is standard now.
>Regardless, it won't fix the situation where the tape
>drive is not in variable size mode by default.
The -B option is only for pipes. Recent tar implementations
don't need it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Klaus Alexander Seistrup)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: bash key binding
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:33:12 +0200
Vinod Gupta wrote:
> I bind some keys (Home, End,...) in my .bashrc, like:
>
> bind '"\e[1~": "grep -i "'
>
> But annoyingly these keys get rebound to beginning-of-line etc.
> by the time bash returns prompt.
You want to put it in your ~/.inputrc instead:
"\e[1~": "grep -i "
etc. (no `bind').
Cheers,
//Klaus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Dial in PPP -- the next step
Date: 15 Sep 1999 15:37:16 GMT
In <7ro0fu$7sm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
]I have set up my RedHat5.2 Linux box to accept dial up PPP connections
]from a remote Win95 client, using autoPPP.
]A couple of questions:
]* Using my browser on Win95, I can access Apache/Linux using http://IP
]address but not http://hostname. Do I need a caching nameserver or
]something? Do these work OK on a standalone box? Currently, the PPP
]options for the dial-up server have entries for external DNS lookup
]servers. Given that the Linux box only has one modem, how can it even
]use these anyway?
You have to tell Win, on thewin box, what the DNS servers are. Use the
same ones that your Linux machine uses (ie look in /etc/resolv.conf and
have the win machine use those.) I assume tht your Linux machine is on the
internet? If not-- ie if only these two computers are tied together, put
the name of the Linux machine and its IP into /etc/hosts.
]* Is there any way I can dial into the Linux box and get Apache to
]display a certain html page. i.e. You don't have to enter an http://...
]site address in the browser at the client side. Maybe some sort of ppp
]script?
Set up the home page on the win machine to point to the Linux machine.
It is not the http host who determines what the client looks at.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernie Borenstein)
Subject: Re: Metro Link OSF/Motif - Does it exist?
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:14:09 GMT
In article <7rmpmd$6gt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> I'm posting this for a programmer I know who works for a large software
> developer. He's been trying to get information about OSF/Motif and
> the KL Group's XRT Widget set for a project they are working on for
> the US Gov't (the customer insists on Motif) to port a system to Linux.
> What he's got so far is:
> 1. Red Hat doesn't sell Motif anymore; they send you to Metro Link.
> 2. Motif is available for Red Hat 5.2 only (although this fact isn't
> mentioned on Metro Link's big ads in Linux Journal). There is no
> release date for Motif and XRT for Red Hat 6.0.
> 3. Red Hat doesn't sell 5.2 anymore, and anyway the Gov't wants 6.0.
> 4. He has been unable to contact Metro Link. They don't return his
> phone calls or e-mail. (He's been trying for weeks now.)
>
> Any ideas?
>
If you go to the metrolink site and access technical support, it states
that Metrolink Motif is compatible with RH6. I have the latest Metrolink
Motif, but don't have RH6 running currently. Someone else may be able
to comment on this.
Bernie Borenstein
Boeing
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: Linux dialin, assigning dynamic IP, allowing internet access
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:15:14 GMT
On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:19:34 GMT, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I red something about a rotary dialer in one of the howto's.
>
>That's a service you purchase from the phone company. They install several
>phone lines and give them all the same number. They than program their
>equipment so that when someone dials the number and one of the lines is
>busy they are automatically connected to one of the free ones.
AFAIK, it's also known as a hunt group. They charge good money for it
too.
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Dustin Puryear
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
From: "Dr. Thomas Bengs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Print to fax in Redhat 6 / StarOffice 5.1 ???
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:13:10 GMT
Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't find a quick and easy way to set up a print-to-fax printer driver in
> my RedHat 6 / KDE / StarOffice 5.1. Would I have to learn the SO macro
> language and program a save-to-ps + pass as parameter to kfax or sendfax or
> mgetty? Does StarOffice's macro language even allow this (esp. for non-root
> users)? Or is there an easier solution right under my nose that I'm not
> seeing?
> Thanks for any help! (Please reply only to newsgroup)
Which fax-package do you use? With mgetty+sendfax try GFax and use it as
a printer.
http://www.ultranet.ca/gmsys
Ciao,
Thomas.
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