Linux-Misc Digest #212, Volume #24 Thu, 20 Apr 00 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: problems with procmail (Michael Powe)
Re: how do I email local user on system? (Michael Powe)
Re: Email for linux console (Michael Powe)
wav's, mp3's, and the best linux ripper? (Martin Brown)
Re: wav's, mp3's, and the best linux ripper? (Andras)
Re: AutoCAD R14 on linux? (Jon McLin)
Some keys not responding on login -> unable to log in (terminal messed up) (Frederic
L. W. Meunier)
How to convert .ai into .eps files, in Linux? (Minko Markov)
Re: Can't login after crash, removed passwd 4 root same result ("Lonni J. Friedman")
Re: can't get SLAB working (Charles Blackburn)
Re: Urgent: Am I attacked, all logs are empty ("Troy M. Turner")
J2EE (tenplus)
Re: IBM ThinkPad 390X 2626F0U (Jimmy Navarro)
Re: IPChains ("Cedric Blancher")
DISK IMAGES...HOW DO I??? (Tux)
Re: RPM problem (Tux)
Re: Some keys not responding on login -> unable to log in (terminal messed up)
(Frederic L. W. Meunier)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: IPChains (Tim Haynes)
Re: installing w/o CD ("Peet Grobler")
Remove linux partition (Jonathan)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Karel Jansens)
Re: DISK IMAGES...HOW DO I??? (Bastian)
Re: Forgot my ROOT PASSWORD... (Erik)
Re: intel i810 graphics card (Neil)
("Marius Andra")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problems with procmail
Date: 19 Apr 2000 21:20:03 -0700
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>>>>> "galban" == galban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
galban> i am running a offline system which pull the mails via
galban> fetchmail onto the server. Now I want to deliver the mails
galban> coming in without timeloss (sendmail sends only by
galban> sendmail -q). So I find procmail works good, but getting
galban> the eMail via MS Outlook from the server fails.
galban> There is no from Line at the beginning at least?!?!? I
galban> haven't configured a .procmailrc yet. The delivery with
galban> the .procmailrc is via sendmail. Hmm, thats my problem. I
galban> hope someone out there could help me.
And the question is?
If you are asking how to generate a From_ line, the answer may be `man
formail.'
mp
- --
BOYCOTT AMAZON http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html BOYCOTT AMAZON
"Public opinion's always in advance of the Law." -- Galsworthy
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do I email local user on system?
Date: 19 Apr 2000 21:26:48 -0700
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>>>>> "Krzys" == Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Krzys> Not sure I understand your question but you probably will
Krzys> need to use internet e-mail. Along with a client like pine
Krzys> you will likely need to install sendmail or some
Krzys> variant. You can then send mail to "bob" (no @ symbol, no
Krzys> domain) and user "bob" will get the mail. chris
Actually, it doesn't work that way. If you send mail to "bob" it's
going to be rewritten to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- that mail will then
typically be processed as outbound, i.e., sent off to the ISP. In my
experience, it will then only come back to the original machine from
which it was sent.
Very annoying. I wish I knew the answer to the question, I've been
trying to figure it out myself.
mp
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BOYCOTT AMAZON http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html BOYCOTT AMAZON
"Public opinion's always in advance of the Law." -- Galsworthy
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Email for linux console
Date: 19 Apr 2000 21:29:52 -0700
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>>>>> "Asch" == G Asch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Asch> bryhoyt <Bryan> writes:
b> Any advice on what program I should use to download and send
b> email from the linux console? I want something relatively
b> powerful, like Netscape Messenger, but for the console. Thanks
Asch> if you want power, I think MH ( nmh-1.0.4 ) reigns --
MH would rule except that its MIME support seriously reeks. I've kept
my MH mail folders and still use the command line but I've had to
switch to mutt because of a need to send MIME'd messages on a regular
basis.
mp
- --
BOYCOTT AMAZON http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html BOYCOTT AMAZON
"Public opinion's always in advance of the Law." -- Galsworthy
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
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Subject: wav's, mp3's, and the best linux ripper?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Brown)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 05:21:57 GMT
Which has the better fidelity, a wav file or and mp3 file?
Which linux program is the best to rip cd's that will output to the file
type of the answer to the above question?
Thank you.
--
- Martin J. Brown, Jr. -
- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
PGP key id#: E87466BB keyserver: certserver.pgp.com
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From: Andras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wav's, mp3's, and the best linux ripper?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 05:42:30 +0000
Martin Brown wrote:
>
> Which has the better fidelity, a wav file or and mp3 file?
A wav file is basically the uncompressed cd-da image file,
contains the audio data bit-by-bit.
mp3 is a compressed format compressing as much as it can,
so I doubt that will have a higher fidelity.
However you can also "compress" wav files by reducing the sample
rate, and the bits/sample.
If you view it like this then mp3 gives you
much better quality than the same bitrate wav.
>
> Which linux program is the best to rip cd's that will output to the file
> type of the answer to the above question?
I use cdparanoia (http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/)
It rips cds and stores data in uncompressed format, so you
can create mp3-s with a separate tool afterwards.
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 05:41:32 +0000
From: Jon McLin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AutoCAD R14 on linux?
Should also point out Varicad:
http://www.varicad.com
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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Some keys not responding on login -> unable to log in (terminal messed up)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 06:17:15 GMT
Hello. I just logged out on tty1 but when tried to log in again I was
surprised to see that I cannot press some keys. Enter results in ^M,
^a in ^A, ^e in ^E, and ^u in ^U, all printed on the login prompt.
I get all those errors on tty1, but on tty4 only Enter doesn't work.
Is there any tool to correct this now, without a need to reboot?
I have tty2, tt3, tt5, and tty6 opened. BTW, I was running screen on
tty1 and had to do a reset because it was messing up the lines and
columns.
Thanks.
--
Fr�d�ric L. W. Meunier
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Subject: How to convert .ai into .eps files, in Linux?
From: Minko Markov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:18:28 GMT
Hi,
I have a program, sketch, that can open/manipulate/save .ai files.
But I don't know how to convert them into .eps, which I need
with Latex. Can anyone suggest an idea?
Thank you.
--
Minko
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From: "Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't login after crash, removed passwd 4 root same result
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:12:09 -0400
Your problem is almost certainly that you have no more free space on
your linux partition(s), and not anything password related. This is
especially suspect when you are downloading a full year's email. Run
"df -h" to see how much free space you have.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello to Gurus or want to be Gurus,
>
> I tried to download a years worth of mail and I somehow ended up
> crashing my mandrake 7 linux system. When I rebooted and tried to login
> I couldn't. I got my X window (kde) login prompt but it refused to let
> me in as root or any other user. I alt-ctrl-F4 to a virtual consol and
> got the same result.
> I logged in as single user linux (init=/bin/sh at lilo promptp) and
> remounted my root partition as read/write. I fsck my disk and I edited
> my /etc/passwd file so that there was no password for root. Same result
> after trying to login.
> My next step is to do something to the /etc/shadow or the
> /mnt/etc/shadow but I don't know what to do to it. Appended are
> entries from my /var/log/messages. Any pointers would be appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Blackburn)
Subject: Re: can't get SLAB working
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:56:45 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:57:30 -0700, mugu wrote:
>I'm having terrible nightmares trying to get slab working on my
>SuSE 6.2 box. it just isn't starting. could anyone help !!!
What's happening???
--
Charles Blackburn -=- Remove NOSPAM to email a reply.
Summerfield Technology Limited - SuSE Linux Reseller & Birmingham L.U.G sponsor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
5:55pm up 9 days, 23:07, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:24:22 -0400
From: "Troy M. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Urgent: Am I attacked, all logs are empty
You are correct, thank you for the correction.
Erik wrote:
> "Troy M. Turner" wrote:
>
> > There is an article @ www.rootprompt.com about a sysadm who had to track
> > the files like you have tootles exactly how he/she did it. It may help
> > you.
>
> That is www.rootprompt.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tenplus)
Subject: J2EE
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:17:51 GMT
Hi folks,
I'm not sure if this is the right place. Anyway, is J2EE available on
Linux, and if so, where can I get it ?
Thanks a lot
A.E.
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From: Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IBM ThinkPad 390X 2626F0U
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:22:31 -0700
That may be Fn+F8. I tried installing really as simple just put swap
64MB and all remainder to / as suggested from elsewhere. It work. I
used to install Linux and Unix in computers with at least 2 drives
autopartition won't work. condro's reply is almost more helpful. Still
I'm not impressed with the quality and look of X Window as being a little
too ugly, may be anyone knows a commercial X Window that would look alike
M$ Windows.
Goofy root wrote:
> I am using Red Hat 6.1 and trying every 'Fn' combination. Try Fn+F5
> you'll see screen zoom in or toggle to zoom out. It's a weird laptop
> without even any control for brightless. :-(
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Cedric Blancher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IPChains
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:21:43 +0200
"Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message
news: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Blargh? Surely this is a carrots-v-oranges statement. Both will give
you
> vitamin C to varying extent depending on utilisation method, but one's
> designed as main course, one for dessert.
So, use both of them for a higher security level. None of them has been
implemented to be an alternative to the other.
End of troll ?
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From: Tux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
nf.comp.linux,redhat.general,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: DISK IMAGES...HOW DO I???
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:57:54 -0230
Hi there,
How do I make 1.44 disk images out of other disks... For example, if I
had a disk that I wanted to copy without copying it to another disk, how
can I make an image of that disk so that I could use RAWRITE to make
other disks from this image...
Thanks again,
Trevor...
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From: Tux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM problem
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 05:06:08 -0230
Beno�t Smith wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I use Slackware 7.0. I recently tried to install RPM packages, but then
> I received the 'failed dependencies' Message Of Fate... yet some of the
> concerned libraries are present in my system (directories: /lib,
> /usr/lib, /usr/X11R6/lib) ! Could someone explain the reason for this ?
> Thanks in advance for any answer.
>
>
Try installing the package with the --nodeps option... This should tell
RPM to ignore dependency problems...
Cheers...
Trevor...
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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some keys not responding on login -> unable to log in (terminal messed up)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 08:16:27 GMT
Well, I got tty4 to login killing mingetty. It bringed up another
that accepted Enter. For tty1 the problem wasn't solved. I tried the
same but Enter doesn't work. Any hints welcome.
--
Fr�d�ric L. W. Meunier
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 20 Apr 2000 09:46:06 GMT
<btolder> wrote:
>
> Jon A. Maxwell (JAM) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > The Microsoft mouse has what, 100,000 times more sensors and samples
> > at 100 times the speed? Of course it will work better on surfaces
> > without much contrast. But it's not a new idea.
>
> Neither is flying at MACH 5. But does that mean you would have zero respect
> for an airplane that carried commercial passengers at that speed to anywhere
> in the world for just $300 per trip?
>
> There are very few new ideas. I've seen conveyor belts use a light sensor to
> detect that the belt is moving. Same method as used by the mouse. But a
> dramatically different scale. As other posters have done, bringing something
> like this to the masses at a cheap price is a respectable feat.
>
> It never ceases to amaze me that folks that are working on cloning a 20 year
> old operating system are widely regarded as geniuses by their supporters
> while Microsoft is regarded by the same crowd as not having an original
> thought. It's especially ironic when you see Win2K kick the crap out of
> every other OS ever made.
>
The original claim was that Microsoft was an innovator. Their optical
mouse was forwarded by a winvocate as an example of a Microsoft
original invention. That has been proven not to be the case. Maybe you
have a better example? ("kick the crap out" probably doesn't count as
an innovation)
I do give them the "squiggly lines", though. Great stuff. <G>
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
========================================================
CIA-bait:
Saddam Hussein Iraq Iran hijack assasinate CIA plutonium
President of the United States thermonuclear device
Windows weapons FBI biohazard Microsoft uranium
submarine kill timer explosives
Have a nice day, guys!
========================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Haynes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IPChains
Date: 20 Apr 2000 09:50:25 +0100
Reply-To: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Cedric Blancher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message
> news: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Blargh? Surely this is a carrots-v-oranges statement. Both will give
> > you vitamin C to varying extent depending on utilisation method, but
> > one's designed as main course, one for dessert.
>
> So, use both of them for a higher security level. None of them has been
> implemented to be an alternative to the other.
Sounds good to me.
> End of troll ?
Troll, what troll?
~Tim
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From: "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: installing w/o CD
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:25:26 +0200
You can put the CD in a cdrom on a network machine, then share the drive.
I've installed Mandrake and Caldera like that. When choosing the source to
install from, select NFS.
You'll have to make the boot floppies though...
Master Penguin wrote in message <8dm212$c31$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>How do I install linux w/o internal cdrom? The machine has an external
>cdrom that attaches through the par. port and which works fine with
>MS-Win, but none of the distros I tried can be installed. They all load
>the install prog from cd just fine, but once the install prog (linux)
>runs, it does not see the cdrom. I tried Mandrake and Suse. Any way to
>install via a network (high speed access is available)?
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Remove linux partition
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:22:20 GMT
Hi,
I have a harddisk that contains both Win98 and Linux. How do i remove
the linux partition(since DOS FDISK can't seem to recognise the
partition)? I do not have any linux distribution cd-rom with me,(except
a Redhat installation boot disk). Thank you for any suggestions.
REgards,
Jonathan
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 20 Apr 2000 10:52:16 GMT
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) wrote:
> <btolder> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jon A. Maxwell (JAM) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > The Microsoft mouse has what, 100,000 times more sensors and samples
> > > at 100 times the speed? Of course it will work better on surfaces
> > > without much contrast. But it's not a new idea.
> >
> > Neither is flying at MACH 5. But does that mean you would have zero respect
> > for an airplane that carried commercial passengers at that speed to anywhere
> > in the world for just $300 per trip?
> >
> > There are very few new ideas. I've seen conveyor belts use a light sensor to
> > detect that the belt is moving. Same method as used by the mouse. But a
> > dramatically different scale. As other posters have done, bringing something
> > like this to the masses at a cheap price is a respectable feat.
> >
> > It never ceases to amaze me that folks that are working on cloning a 20 year
> > old operating system are widely regarded as geniuses by their supporters
> > while Microsoft is regarded by the same crowd as not having an original
> > thought. It's especially ironic when you see Win2K kick the crap out of
> > every other OS ever made.
> >
> The original claim was that Microsoft was an innovator. Their optical
> mouse was forwarded by a winvocate as an example of a Microsoft
> original invention. That has been proven not to be the case. Maybe you
> have a better example? ("kick the crap out" probably doesn't count as
> an innovation)
>
> I do give them the "squiggly lines", though. Great stuff. <G>
>
Not often that I have to react to my own posts. Feels kinda
schizophrenic too.
<Shut up!>
<I can talk when I want to!>
Unfortunately for all you Winvocates, it seems that even the red
underlining is not a Microsoft invention: the German company R.O.M
Logicware has been producing a Wordprocessor, "Papyrus", originally
for the Atari, but since 1994 also for OS/2 and now for Windows that
had red underlining years before Microsoft even thought about stealing
it.
They are at
http://www.rom-logicware.com/
You can download a trial version, but don't think your connection has
timed out. The WP is _really_ that small!
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
========================================================
CIA-bait:
Saddam Hussein Iraq Iran hijack assasinate CIA plutonium
President of the United States thermonuclear device
Windows weapons FBI biohazard Microsoft uranium
submarine kill timer explosives
Have a nice day, guys!
========================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Crossposted-To:
nf.comp.linux,redhat.general,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: DISK IMAGES...HOW DO I???
Date: 20 Apr 2000 10:08:48 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:57:54 -0230, Tux wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>How do I make 1.44 disk images out of other disks... For example, if I
>had a disk that I wanted to copy without copying it to another disk, how
>can I make an image of that disk so that I could use RAWRITE to make
>other disks from this image...
>
>Thanks again,
>Trevor...
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=diskimage
check the manpage of dd, because there's a couple of other useful options.
Bastian
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From: Erik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Forgot my ROOT PASSWORD...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:05:47 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <8dcjna$vbj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Regarding this problem, I have a corrupt file that no longer recognizes my
> > password. I have used the same procedure you recomment, but vi tells me the
> > file is 'read only', so that when I try to change it I only get the message
> > 'you don't exist - go away'. How do I get over this hurdle?
>
> . . . I'm stuck in single user mode, and when I attempt to use passwd I
> get the message:
> [PAM-pwdb[34]]: user (root/0) update failed: pwdb: another process has
> locked resource. I'm obviously completely mired in a read-only system. But
> what's PAM all about? I can't find a man . . .
>
> GDB
Isn't PAM password authentication module (shadow password)?
Erik
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From: Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: intel i810 graphics card
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:34:43 +0100
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:30:11 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After successfully installing all these I tried to run the X-windows
>by typing startx but each time I got the following error message:
>
> AGPIOC_ACQUIRE FAILED
GO to the intel site, and search for linux in the tech support pages. You'll
find some information there to help you get started. BUT there's one crucial bit
missing - search on my name in dejanews.com and you'll find I've posted the
missing arguments you have to pass to apgart module.
If stuck, email me.
Cheers
Neil
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From: "Marius Andra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:52:36 +0300
Hi
I have created a small linux site ( http://fr.ee/linux )
and I'm wondering, if anyone could visit it and then recommend some new
programs/games/links/...
I'd really apreciate it.
--
Marius
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://fr.ee/penguin
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:10:26 -0500
Jon A. Maxwell (JAM) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8dlgva$55o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Perhaps you missed the part where it says it 'can operate on
> virtually any planar imperfect surface'.
The abstract mentions nothing about that. This is the complete abstract
text:
"A method and device for converting movement of an optical mouse on a
surface having any random surface pattern of relatively light and dark areas
separated by edges to electrical signals representing a direction of motion
relative to two non-parallel axes. A plurality of prechargeable photon
sensors are disposed on the mouse in a row along each axis and facing the
surface periodically. The presence of an edge is periodically sensed in at
least one preselected portion of each row of sensors, defining a sensor
state for each axis for each period upon the sensing of an absence of an
edge. Successive sensor states are compared to determine if movement has
occurred relative to each axis and a signal representative of the movement
determined is produced. "
This is substantially different from the actual Patent which states this:
"The main object of the present invention is to provide an electro-optical
mouse which is pattern insensitive, i.e., can operate on virtually any
substantially planar imperfect surface, especially those having a random
surface pattern relatively light and dark areas separated by edges, for
example a wood grained surface or any surface that is not completely
monochromatic with no image imperfections thereon."
Note how the summary states "virtually any surface, especially those
having..." while the abstract states "movement of an optical mouse on a
surface having..."
To me, it seems that the abstract is grossly misleading about the nature of
the patent.
In any event, it seems that while the purpose of the device may be the same
or very similar to the Microsoft mouse, the MS mouse only appears to use one
sensor (at least that's all I can see), while this patent uses many sensors
(64 I believe).
> The Microsoft mouse has what, 100,000 times more sensors and samples
> at 100 times the speed? Of course it will work better on surfaces
> without much contrast. But it's not a new idea.
it has 6.4 million sensors? How is that possible?
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