Linux-Misc Digest #214, Volume #24 Thu, 20 Apr 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Re: Where can I get licq RPM? (Hans Dumbrajs)
Re: Debian ISO (Otto Wyss)
Re: can't get SLAB working (mugu)
Re: intel i810 graphics card
Will XFS Support ACL's ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: pt_chown \ devpts (Dave Brown)
Re: J2EE (Robert Lynch)
Re: RPM problem (Dave Brown)
Re: Ultra66 and Mandrake (Michael Kelly)
Re: Set netmask under Linux 6.1 (linuxconf) - how ??? (Joshua)
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Reply-To: <btolder>
From: <btolder>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:10:56 -0700
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
<jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)> wrote in message
news:L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-g60SnTWcPduI@localhost...
> The original claim was that Microsoft was an innovator. Their optical
> mouse was forwarded by a winvocate as an example of a Microsoft
> original invention. That has been proven not to be the case. Maybe you
> have a better example? ("kick the crap out" probably doesn't count as
> an innovation)
Sorry to say, but pure invention seldom exists anymore. It seems to be
getting old, but can I ask what you consider the best 10 inventions of the
90's?
I'd argue that everything innovative we see anymore is merely integration of
existing known inventions (and each of those, also, are merely integrations
of things that are known). However, it is the innovation that makes them
more interesting.
The definition of innovation, thus, is not "inventing something out of thin
air", but instead the ability to "deliver a bunch of disjoint technologies
in an economical fashion that is exciting to the user". The 'C' language,
cars, Java, TCP, cellphones, etc. fall into the latter category. The FET
transistor (c. early 1900s) falls into the former category.
Note the dictionary definition of innovation is to "introduce as if new."
The "as if" part pretty much captures what I stated in the previous
paragraph.
> I do give them the "squiggly lines", though. Great stuff. <G>
My English prof used to do this. I don't see how squiggly lines to mark an
error is anything new. However, it is very nice to have in a word processor.
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From: Hans Dumbrajs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general
Subject: Re: Where can I get licq RPM?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:18:43 +0300
root wrote:
>
> Hi gang.
>
> My question is this: where can I get licq RPM's. I've tried
> www.freshmeat.com and www.licq.org, but none of these
> licq RPM works because of dependency problems with QT.
> So far, I've installed at least 2 licq RPMs and 3 different
> versions of QT, and I still can't get it working (I think it is
> making my system unstable). Can somebody suggest where
> I can find ALL licq RPMs and their dependency files in ONE
> location? I've been trying to get licq working for about 4 months
> now!! I am using RH 6.0. Thanks in advance
>
> Buck
get the sources and compile the whole thing.. much easier.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otto Wyss)
Subject: Re: Debian ISO
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:13:52 +0200
> > There's a Debian NG: linux.debian.user
>
> Better to try the Debian user mailing list. Go to www.debian.org to...
Why is the mailing list i.e. "debian-user" not relayed to the newsgroup
"linux.debian.user"? I'd rather read a newsgroup instead of getting
e-mail.
O. Wyss
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Subject: Re: can't get SLAB working
From: mugu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:20:06 -0700
well, anytime i start it, it terminates with an error. the
program just doesn't start !!
thanks
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: intel i810 graphics card
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:30:06 GMT
Thank you very much for your help,
Concerning intel, I already did all the steps the said.
In dejanews.com I didn't find your message, can you please tell me the
details of the solution or where exactly in dejanews.com I can find your
message
thanks
Neil wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:30:11 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > After successfully installing all these I tried to run the X-windows
> >by typing startx but each time I got the following error message:
> >
> >AGPIOC_ACQUIRE FAILED
>
> GO to the intel site, and search for linux in the tech support pages.
You'll
> find some information there to help you get started. BUT there's one
crucial bit
> missing - search on my name in dejanews.com and you'll find I've posted
the
> missing arguments you have to pass to apgart module.
>
> If stuck, email me.
>
> Cheers
>
> Neil
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Will XFS Support ACL's ?
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:33:14 GMT
Does anyone know if if the open-sourced SGI XFS journaling file system
will support Access Control List to get better control of file system
security?
-B&B
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: pt_chown \ devpts
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 Apr 2000 10:40:30 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sergey Grishin wrote:
>Hello!
>after recompiling 2-2-12 kernel i got the following problems:
>1)
>when booting
> mounting other filesystems
> fs devpts does not supported by kernel
>what is devpts and what should i do kernel to support it (recompile with
>what options)?
>
>2)
>when non-root user tries to run Xterm it fails saying
> pt_chown must be setuid `root`
The 2.2 kernel incorporated "pseudo-terminals" in the style of other
Unix systems. Instead of devices like /dev/ttyp*, a dynamically
replicatable driver was built; this creates devices in /dev/pts/.
This "filesystem" shows up in your /etc/fstab.
Pseudo-terminals are used by X terminal windows and telnets. As far
at the host is concerned, these are not "real" (hardware) terminals
(attached to the system), but act like real terminals; hence "pseudo".
The kernel option which creates this support in under "Character Devices",
called "UnixPTY". So when you rebuilt your kernel, you must have shut
this off.
The "permission" problem doesn't ring any bells, but may be an artifact
of the first error, which definitely must be corrected.
(Note: I am not a kernel expert, so please excuse any inaccuracies in
my terminology... In fact, please correct me where errant.)
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:44:31 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: J2EE
tenplus wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I'm not sure if this is the right place. Anyway, is J2EE available on
> Linux, and if so, where can I get it ?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> A.E.
Go to the Blackdown Java-Linux mail list archive:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
and search for j2ee. The suggestion you'll find is to download the
Solaris version from Sun which is a .sh script. Chmod a+x and run that,
you get an error but the file which is left (forgotten its name) is just
an ordinary zip archive, so run unzip. There is a download link in the
list to the library:
libioser12.so
compiled for glibc Linux, which is the only non-Java component; replace
the Solaris libioser12.so with the Linux one, and you are done.
I followed these steps and it worked for me.
HTH. Bob L.
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Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: RPM problem
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 20 Apr 2000 10:50:00 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Beno�t Smith wrote:
>I recently tried to install some RPM packages, but I only received the
>irritating "failed dependancies" message followed by a list of
>supposedly missing libraries. Then I was surprised by seeing that most
>of the concerned libraries ARE present in my system (in the directories:
>/lib, /usr/lib, /usr/X11R6/lib) !!!
>Could someone give me an explanation for this ? I am using the Slackware
>7.0. distro.
RPM only knows what's in the rpm database, not what's really installed.
Since Slackware 7.0 doesn't use rpm for initial installation, there is
no database for rpm to reference. (Which makes me wonder what good
using rpm does on a "non-rpm" system...)
Using "rpm -i --nodeps" will cause the software to be dumped out of
the package onto the system, but no guarantees that anything will
work. Dependent components may be on the system, but not where the
packaged software expects them. And components of the packaged
software may be installed in places where the "non-rpm" system
can't find them.
I've usually used "rpm2tgz" to get the components into a tarball so that
I can see what's going to be put where.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Kelly)
Subject: Re: Ultra66 and Mandrake
Date: 20 Apr 2000 15:55:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hawk82 wrote:
[snip]
>> I need Linux to see the Promise card, but I don't really want to compile a
>> new version of the kernel to work with the Promise card.
http://www.geocities.com/wrattz/linux6.html
The above link should get you going. You can use the drive like
an EIDE drive by following the instructions in the HOWTO on the
above page, but if you don't want to be held down to like
25% performance, then you should compile a new kernel with the
Promise experimental driver support. I have 2.3.4 and 2.3.24 both
working fine with it.
But you can just get installed and worry about performance issues
later after you feel more comfortable that the system is stable.
>>
>> I have Windows installed on the UDMA 66 drive and I need my info on the
>> drive.
I recommand you get Partition Magic 5.0 or higher if you have Win98.
It makes things much easier. If you do, then I'd suggest making your
main Linux partitions from the extended partition(IOW, if they were
Dos/Windows type partitions you would call them logical partitions.)
That way if you need to jockey the sizes around later, Partition Magic
can do it from Win98 without even rebooting the machine. If it has
to change primary partitions or locations you have to let it boot
into Dos mode. No big deal but it takes longer.
--
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have *me* as a member!"
-- Groucho Marx
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From: Joshua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Set netmask under Linux 6.1 (linuxconf) - how ???
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:58:58 GMT
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Ignore what Compaq told you. If your Gateway is 24.28.87.X then you need to keep
your subnet mask as 255.255.255.0.
The only purpose of your subnet mask is so that when you want to connect to the
internet, your computer knows to go through your Gateway. You are not on a
traditional lan as you might be used to. You are on a cable modem and using a
network card and cable modem to "trick" your computer into communicating with a
cable line. Of course that is why your isp is using DHCP. If you want to control
al your settings, setup your computer with the IP that is associated with your
computer name as a static IP address. True, your isp says that is might change, but
that's unlikely within the next year or so. My ISP Charter@Home says we are on
DHCP, but doesn't object to us setting our computers up with static IP's. My IP is
24.2.28.106 , subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, Gateway 24.2.28.1.
Casey Claiborne wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I spoke to the technical support staff at Compaq. When I mentioned
> the situation, the individual there told me that the netmask needed to be
> changed because the class types of the host and netmask were different.
> Then I began my quest to see how this could be done under Linux.
>
> I was having *major problems* with the ftp and telnet under Red Hat 6.1.
> The support staff at Compaq said that perhaps the situation could be
> improved if I changed the netmask. This was not successful.
>
> To get around the ftp issue, I just downloaded through the browser.
> To get around the telnet issue, I just started using "ssh" (NOT from
> the Red Hat distribution)
>
> So, I guess all is well now.
>
> Casey
>
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Leonard Evens wrote:
>
> > Casey Claiborne wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I would have added to the first post I made on this subject but could
> > > not find it in the newsgroup :(
> > >
> > > When running ifconfig, I get what is listed below:
> > >
> > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:8B:A0:F6:1B
> > > inet addr:24.28.87.154 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
> > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1
> > > RX packets:30 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> > > TX packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
> > > Interrupt:11 Base address:0x2c20
> > >
> > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback
> > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
> > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1
> > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
> > >
> > > The reason why the eth0 interface is assigned a class A IP address is
> > > because this comes from a DHCP server (I am using the Road Runner
> > > cablemodem). Whenever I try to use ifconfig to reset the netmask
> > > "ifconfig 24.28.87.154 netmask 255.0.0.0" and then try to do a
> > > "ping", I get "network unreachable". When I run "linuxconf" under
> > > Red Hat 6.1 and set the netmask for eth0 to 255.0.0.0,
> > > the netmask continues to comes up as 255.255.255.0 - I can
> > > see this when running ifconfig again.
> > >
> > > Could the setting of the netmask to 255.255.255.0 when the IP address is
> > > Class A adversely affect "telnet" and "ftp"? If so, how can I
> > > change this under Red Hat?
> > >
> > > Also, I have to continuously shut down the machine and bring it back up
> > > in order for any new networking settings to take effect.
> > > Is there something I can do so shutting down the machine is not required?
> > >
> > > Please help :(
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > Casey
> >
> > I don't understand why you want to change the netmask. It
> > is undoubtedly set by your ISP since you are using dhcp. If
> > it works, don't worry about it. I don't see why telnet or
> > ftp should be affected.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> > Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
> >
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<b>Ignore what Compaq told you.</b> If your Gateway is <b>24.28.87.X</b>
then you need to keep your subnet mask as <b>255.255.255.0.</b>
<br>The only purpose of your subnet mask is so that when you want to connect
to the internet, your computer knows to go through your Gateway.
You are not on a traditional lan as you might be used to. You are
on a cable modem and using a network card and cable modem to "trick" your
computer into communicating with a cable line. Of course that is
why your isp is using DHCP. If you want to control al your settings,
setup your computer with the IP that is associated with your computer name
as a static IP address. True, your isp says that is might change, but that's
unlikely within the next year or so. My ISP Charter@Home says we
are on DHCP, but doesn't object to us setting our computers up with static
IP's. My IP is 24.2.28.106 , subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, Gateway
24.2.28.1.
<p>Casey Claiborne wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi -
<p>I spoke to the technical support staff at Compaq. When I mentioned
<br>the situation, the individual there told me that the netmask needed
to be
<br>changed because the class types of the host and netmask were different.
<br>Then I began my quest to see how this could be done under Linux.
<p>I was having *major problems* with the ftp and telnet under Red Hat
6.1.
<br>The support staff at Compaq said that perhaps the situation could be
<br>improved if I changed the netmask. This was not successful.
<p>To get around the ftp issue, I just downloaded through the browser.
<br>To get around the telnet issue, I just started using "ssh" (NOT from
<br>the Red Hat distribution)
<p>So, I guess all is well now.
<p>Casey
<p>On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Leonard Evens wrote:
<p>> Casey Claiborne wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Hello,
<br>> >
<br>> > I would have added to the first post I made on this subject but
could
<br>> > not find it in the newsgroup :(
<br>> >
<br>> > When running ifconfig, I get what is listed below:
<br>> >
<br>> > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr
00:50:8B:A0:F6:1B
<br>> > inet
addr:24.28.87.154 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
<br>> > UP
BROADCAST RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1
<br>> > RX
packets:30 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
<br>> > TX
packets:3 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
<br>> > collisions:0
txqueuelen:100
<br>> > Interrupt:11
Base address:0x2c20
<br>> >
<br>> > lo Link encap:Local Loopback
<br>> > inet
addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
<br>> > UP
LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1
<br>> > RX
packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
<br>> > TX
packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
<br>> > collisions:0
txqueuelen:0
<br>> >
<br>> > The reason why the eth0 interface is assigned a class A IP address
is
<br>> > because this comes from a DHCP server (I am using the Road Runner
<br>> > cablemodem). Whenever I try to use ifconfig to reset the netmask
<br>> > "ifconfig 24.28.87.154 netmask 255.0.0.0" and then try to do a
<br>> > "ping", I get "network unreachable". When I run "linuxconf" under
<br>> > Red Hat 6.1 and set the netmask for eth0 to 255.0.0.0,
<br>> > the netmask continues to comes up as 255.255.255.0 - I can
<br>> > see this when running ifconfig again.
<br>> >
<br>> > Could the setting of the netmask to 255.255.255.0 when the IP address
is
<br>> > Class A adversely affect "telnet" and "ftp"? If so, how can I
<br>> > change this under Red Hat?
<br>> >
<br>> > Also, I have to continuously shut down the machine and bring it
back up
<br>> > in order for any new networking settings to take effect.
<br>> > Is there something I can do so shutting down the machine is not
required?
<br>> >
<br>> > Please help :(
<br>> >
<br>> > TIA
<br>> >
<br>> > Casey
<br>>
<br>> I don't understand why you want to change the netmask. It
<br>> is undoubtedly set by your ISP since you are using dhcp. If
<br>> it works, don't worry about it. I don't see why telnet or
<br>> ftp should be affected.
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>>
<br>> Leonard Evens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
847-491-5537
<br>> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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