Linux-Misc Digest #230, Volume #24 Sat, 22 Apr 00 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Compilation troubles due to system or hardware ("Fabrice P. Laussy")
Re: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware (Dances With Crows)
xmms problem (Chetan Ahuja)
Re: back-up options? (Matt Friedman)
Re: Trouble with the Korn Shell ("G. Roderick Singleton")
Re: bash_profile setting
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Christopher Browne)
Re: what type of redunency does linux offer? ("Reid Sutherland")
Re: xmms problem ("Reid Sutherland")
Re: ATI Rage 128 and RH6.2 (George Self)
Filewatcher.org - What has happen to them ? (Grahame M. Kelly)
the / just keeps growing (Alexander K)
Re: soundblaster pci128 ("Troy M. Turner")
Re: forced umount not supported yet?? ("Calvin")
Re: Urgent: Am I attacked, all logs are empty ("Steven J. Hathaway")
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From: "Fabrice P. Laussy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:32:41 +0200
Hi,
I've got big problems with compilation. I can compile simple and
little C source, but I often encounter segmentation-fault when I
attempt to compile huge source.
I'm not too sure wether this is due to gcc or what, but installation
will fail for 9 programs out of 10 I try to compile. Recently for
instance, I've been unable to install the Perl Tk module (doing the
usual perl -MCPAN -e shell then install Tk). There'll be segmentation
fault, the machine will hang, cc will receave a kill signal, a kernel
panic will occur, or other problems like that. I've been unable to
install bash or emacs (from their sources, binaries goes okay) for the
same reasons. I've reinstalled gcc, changes nothing.
When I reboot the system brutally (for the machine is frozen), the
file system is messep up of course, but may be the disk is damaged and
a library or a code is corruped (running short of money, I'm using a
five years old machine).
When the installation problem will occur, nothing will work
thereafter, for instance a `ls' will either cause a seg-fault or hang
the terminal. I can't even reboot, the machine hangs.
If I can compile something, that's okay, but when a problem arises
once, it will be impossible to go through for this programm intended
to be installed, the fatal error occuring at different places in the
process of compilation (say, at the very start, or near the end for
another try).
I don't know what the error can be, but it isn't one due to my lack of
knowledge on how to install a program... there's obviously something
rotten with the system or the hadware. I'd like to have a system or
low level guru's point of view.
Regards.
F.P.L.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Compilation troubles due to system or hardware
Date: 22 Apr 2000 00:21:02 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:32:41 +0200, Fabrice P. Laussy
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I've got big problems with compilation. I can compile simple and
>little C source, but I often encounter segmentation-fault when I
>attempt to compile huge source.
[snip]
>When the installation problem will occur, nothing will work
>thereafter, for instance a `ls' will either cause a seg-fault or hang
>the terminal. I can't even reboot, the machine hangs.
>If I can compile something, that's okay, but when a problem arises
>once, it will be impossible to go through for this programm intended
>to be installed, the fatal error occuring at different places in the
I'm not sure, but I *think* this is caused by problems with your RAM. gcc
is very memory-intensive. Have you tried getting the memtest86 utility
and checking out your system's RAM?
Conversely, it could be a problem with your gcc. Some versions of gcc
were flaky wrt doing optimizations and complex things like that. what's
the output of "gcc --version"?
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: Chetan Ahuja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xmms problem
Date: 22 Apr 2000 04:29:30 GMT
I've not been having an easy time with xmms at all. The earlier
version I had ( .95-1) was hanging in the middle of playing mp3's
inexplicably. Now I have a newer version. 1.01-1 ( using the rpm from
the xmms.org site). The problem now is that xmms suddenly starts "fast
forwarding" the song in the middle of playing an mp3. I am running on
a Mandrake 7.0 system with celeron 366, 128Meg RAM, on-board c-media
8338 sound chip, a PCI Symbios 53c875 SCSI controller with a Seagate
SCSI HD ( I read on Deja that SCSI could be the problem
sometimes. I am not quite sure how though?). And yes, the SCSI card
and the sound chip ARE sharing IRQ's. But I don't see how that would
cause the problem I'm seeing??
It's quite annoying. I have been reduced to use an old pentium 75
running win95 as my "reliable" mp3 player. Deja seems to show a lot
of people having problems with xmms. Any hints would be appreciated.
Chetan
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From: Matt Friedman <"mwf"@total.net(remove-to-reply)>
Subject: Re: back-up options?
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:30:44 -0400
Reid Sutherland wrote:
> For manual backups CD-R(W) are fine up to 650 megs. But for real backups
> (automated and larger sizes), you'll want either a tape drive or a very
> large HD that you can put multiple backups on. Also if you go with the large
> HD method, be sure to get 2 of them and run linear raid. That way if one
> dies the other picks up the slack.
Good points. As it is now, I use the BRU freebie to back-up /home to a file on
my file server. I never really have THAT much in /home, and the compressed file
is relatively manageable [I doubt it will ever exceed 500 MB]. I don't back up
the kernel or /usr because I can replace almost all of that from CD, or from
the RPMs and tarballs that I've saved on the server.
I guess I'm leaning toward CD-R/CD-RW so I can save a portable and secure
archive of my work and all the stuff that I can't simply re-install [like the
RPMs and tarballs]. I could also use those files in any CD-equipped computer,
if necessary. As for my server, I'd only be really inclined to back-up /etc.
[Not much going on over there...] Also, the media are cheap.
Given that situation, I'm just wondering if anyone can come up with a really
compelling reason NOT to go with CD-R/RW... And I'm also wondering (a) how well
CD-R/RW works under Linux, and (b) if there are any things I should know about
these beasts in terms of compatibility, etc., before I start shopping.
MF
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From: "G. Roderick Singleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Trouble with the Korn Shell
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:36:41 GMT
Dave Brown wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yns wrote:
> >Tandem Guy wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. I'm new to linux and have recently installed RedHat 6.0. I want
> >> to use the Korn shell rather than Bash. I made the appropriate change
> >> in the X-Windows Control Panel, and now I boot into Korn shell but I'm
> >> having a problem. When I start an xterm session while I'm in X-Windows
> >> my BACKSPACE and ARROW keys aren't working. When I hit BACKSPACE for
> >> instance I see 'CTRL-H'. This only happens if I'm in an xterm window.
> >> ...
> >
> >Your backspace problem can be solved by the following
> >command in the xterm:
> >
> > stty erase ^H
> >
> >where ^H is the result of the backspace key press (CTRL-H)
> >
> >Modify the .profile to include the command.
> >
>
> This may not be a solution. Unfortunately the text console uses
> "^?" for its "erase" key. So if you don't check to see if
> you're running an xterm, you may not be able to use the backspace
> key in the text mode. Likewise, if you put this in your .profile,
> it may only be in effect for your login shell. I'm not sure if it
> gets propagated to "child shells" i.e., other windows. So .kshrc
> may be a better place to put in instead of .profile. Then you may
> want to test the TERM variable to decide if you want to run stty.
>
> --
> Dave Brown Austin, TX
In addition to all Dave said, man tset and use this to setup
your terminal environment.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: bash_profile setting
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:37:28 GMT
Buck Turgidson wrote:
>Sorry. Forgot the actual command parameter. It is:
>
>export PS1="[\u $PWD] $"
>
>
>Buck Turgidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:J56M4.27046$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I have the following defined in .bash_profile to set my prompt. It works
>> great, except it doesn't change as I cd around the box, so it is obviously
>> useless. I used the same parameter on my RH5.2 box, and on an AIX (korn
>> shell) at work with no problem. But it doesn't work with RH 6.1. Any
>> ideas?
export PS1='[\u $PWD] $'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:49:15 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Eric Peterson would say:
>"Roger Blake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:38:30 GMT, Eric Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>[SNIP]
>>
>> Well, it is a clone of Unix, after all. :-) (See the book "The Unix
>> Haters' Handbook" for an insight into some of Unix's problems.)
>
>Who's the author?
Joint authored by several: Simson Garfinkel, Daniel Weise, Steven
Strassman, Don Hopkins.
Much of it is critical of Unix as it was some years ago; note that:
a) Some authors are with Microsoft Research; conclusions as you will...
b) Some of the more legitimate of the scathing criticisms are of things
that were compromised for interoperability with other systems. NFS
is "as bad" as it is in great part to try to interoperate with MS-DOS,
for instance. They don't bother mentioning this...
c) The systems that they _do_ espouse prohibited themselves from being
deployed due to licensing restrictions and proprietary games of vendors.
The alternatives to X (NeWS, NeXT) being the notable examples.
The DPS-based technologies may have been superior, but it really
isn't superior if it can't be _deployed._
d) What isn't obvious in the book is that what they're pining for are
the days of Lisp Machines far more than the "good old days" of VMS.
e) It is certainly worth noting that the book is _OUT OF PRINT_, and
apparently not sufficiently popular to justify another print run.
If the only operating systems you've known are derivatives of MS-DOS
or of UNIX, it's probably worth trying to find this book to see some
different perspectives.
If the only GUI systems you know anything about are Win32 and X, then
it is readily argued that you don't have enough perspective to contend
that _either_ is particularly preferable. Both have significant
blemishes that _blind_ advocates are blind to.
But it's worth noting that, agreeing with the title, the book _is_
"hate literature," albeit from some fairly smart people that are filled
with hatred...
I'm sure _nastier_ books could be written about:
a) MS-DOS,
b) Windows 3.x,
c) Windows 9x,
d) Windows NT, and
e) Java.
--
Actually, typing random strings in the Finder does the equivalent of
filename completion. (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the
intuitiveness of commands: file completion vs. the Mac Finder.)
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From: "Reid Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: what type of redunency does linux offer?
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:53:54 -0400
Simple, basic Raid level 1 (raid-1) will do the trick.
http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/howto/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
Henry Su <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> short of clustering service, is there a fairly economical way for linux
> redunency?
>
> being that a hard drive failure will take the longest to recover
> (install/update kernel, install/update whatever features, recomplile
> kernel......), what i am looking for is something like norton ghost or
> imagecast or some sort of drive compression/restoration utility.
>
> any pointer will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
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From: "Reid Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xmms problem
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:55:28 -0400
XMMS is fine. Sharing IRQs between your sound card and SCSI card is a
dangerous game. Best thing to do is move one or the other to another IRQ.
See what happens.
Chetan Ahuja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8dr9ra$c99$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've not been having an easy time with xmms at all. The earlier
> version I had ( .95-1) was hanging in the middle of playing mp3's
> inexplicably. Now I have a newer version. 1.01-1 ( using the rpm from
> the xmms.org site). The problem now is that xmms suddenly starts "fast
> forwarding" the song in the middle of playing an mp3. I am running on
> a Mandrake 7.0 system with celeron 366, 128Meg RAM, on-board c-media
> 8338 sound chip, a PCI Symbios 53c875 SCSI controller with a Seagate
> SCSI HD ( I read on Deja that SCSI could be the problem
> sometimes. I am not quite sure how though?). And yes, the SCSI card
> and the sound chip ARE sharing IRQ's. But I don't see how that would
> cause the problem I'm seeing??
>
> It's quite annoying. I have been reduced to use an old pentium 75
> running win95 as my "reliable" mp3 player. Deja seems to show a lot
> of people having problems with xmms. Any hints would be appreciated.
> Chetan
>
>
>
>
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From: George Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATI Rage 128 and RH6.2
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.list,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:13:47 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 4/14/00, 7:54:12 AM, "Amadeu K. Sum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=20
regarding ATI Rage 128 and RH6.2:
> Has anyone experienced problems in setting up RH6.2 with a
> ATI Rage 128 video card? Actually, there seems to be a
> problem with XFree86, which although v3.3.6 says to support
> this card, it does not recognize the card, or even when the
> parameters are entered manually. Any help is greatly
> appreciated. Thanks.
> Amadeu
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amadeu:
I'm pretty new to Linux, but bought RH6.2 and had the same problems=20
with an installation on my computer. I called their installation help=20
desk (several times) and was told to try several different "fixes."=20
One engineer told me that I could download the latest version of=20
Xfree86 - but RH would no longer support my installation since they do=20
not support Xfree68 4.0.
After playing with RH for several weeks, I finally decided to buy SuSE=20
online and loaded it. It was the easiest installation I've ever had (I=20
own Caldera, RH, and Turbo). It detected my video card (ATI=20
All-In-Wonder which is the Rage 128 chipset) and set up X-windows=20
properly.
The advice may suck, but it may be easiest if you'll just buy SuSE!
--George=20
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grahame M. Kelly)
Subject: Filewatcher.org - What has happen to them ?
Date: 22 Apr 2000 05:13:16 GMT
Hi All.
My favourite archive site - filewatcher.org has been down for
over two days now - Anyone know why ??
All I get is a blank page.
Thanks Grahame
--
SLUG (Sydney Linux User Group) www.slug.org.au
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From: Alexander K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: the / just keeps growing
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:59:05 GMT
hello!
a mont or two ago my X didnt startup. i was told this was due to a
crowded rootpartition. when i checked (df), yes, it was 100% full.
so i removed some stuff and X worked.
i use mandrake 7. i think i chose the "high security" setting at
install, am not sure though.
but the problem is, it just keeps on growing.
i know about the coredumps (how do i stop (forbid) these?).
and i know about the logs.
but the dumps are usually not totalling more than 20meg.
and the logs are after all only txt (and i am basically the single user,
with disabled apache and ftp).
so this can't account for all.
the last week or two the root partition has grown from 90% full to 96%
full. and that partition is on 1.4gig.
that's a growth of about 85meg.
where do they come from??? (and should i stop them?)
yes my /home is in the root partition, but i never put anything in
there. not more than a few single megs anyway.
all that i download i put in another partition /x.
and this (together with /y which isnt used at all) is the only other
partition besides root.
/usr, /etc, /dev, /bin, /tmp and all of those are in root.
so where should i look?
and another thing.
soon i'll reformat and reinstall the whole thing, and add FreeBSD.
i wonder: where do i find some good tips on how to partition my hdd?
which directories should have their own partitions and why, and so on.
thanks in adv. / alex
--
.
.
... ak42 at kurir dot net ...
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Before you buy.
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:20:22 -0400
From: "Troy M. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: soundblaster pci128
I also have the SB PCI128, and use the es1370 module
"David .." wrote:
> Gerald Pollack wrote:
> >
> > I've recently upgraded from Mandrake 6.5 to 7.0, and I've also
> > installed a pci128 sound card. I'm unable to get any sound-related
> > software (snack demo, xmixer) to work; both report "dev/mixer: no such
> > device", even though the file (and the target it points to)is there. I
> > gather, from what I've read on the MAKEDEV manpage, that this may
> > indicate a problem with the modules for the sound card. I believe that
> > I need the ensonique 1371-related modules, but I'm unable to get them
> > loaded. When I do "modprobe es1371" I get an error: device or resource
> > busy. I get a similar error when I modprobe snd-card-ens1371. Can
> > someone tell me what the relationships are between the various sound
> > modules, the order in which they need to be loaded, or anything else
> > that might help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Gerald Pollack, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Dept. Biology, McGill University
> > Tel:(514) 398-6418, Fax:(514) 398-5069
>
> I use the SB 128 PCI sound card but use the es1370 which works for me.
>
> --
> Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
> ID # 123538
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From: "Calvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: forced umount not supported yet??
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:52:49 +0800
Yes, i have mounted a ext2 partition to /boot and a vfat partition to
/win98.
Is there any way that i can check which process isn't terminated??
Best regards
Calvin
Reid Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Redhat 5.2 isn't all that great. You will have alot less problems by
> upgrading to 6.2
>
> It seems you have programs that are not getting terminated and that are
> still keeping your drives mounted. umount still as of today does not
support
> force unmounting. It's best if you manually attempt to unmount your drives
> before rebooting. I'm guessing you're mounted drives other then your root
> / ) drive.
>
>
> Calvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8dq3ek$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi,
> > I am using redhat 5.2. After i updated a few rpm packages, the
> following
> > error messages is shown everytime i shutdown my linux box.
> >
> > Turning off swap [ok]
> > Turning off quotas [ok]
> > Unmounting file system umount: forced umount not supported yet [fail]
> > Unmounting file system umount: forced umount not supported yet [fail]
> > Unmounting file system umount: forced umount not supported yet [fail]
> >
> > The rpm packages i updated are as following:
> > initscripts-5.09-1
> > e2fsprogs-1.18-5
> > console-tools-19990829-10
> > procps-2.0.6-5
> > modutils-2.3.9-6
> > sysklogd-1.3.31-16
> > setup-2.1.8-1
> > timeconfig-3.0.3-2
> > vixie-cron-3.0.1-40
> >
> > I think the problem comes from the initscripts package. Do anyone
know
> > how to solve it?? My kernel is 2.2.9
> >
> > Best regards
> > Calvin
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:54:13 -0700
From: "Steven J. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Urgent: Am I attacked, all logs are empty
You might also look for the existence of "core" files and examine them
for suspicious looking text. This is especially useful if a buffer overrun
vulnerability was exercised in the attack of your UNIX based computer
systems.
Charles Blackburn wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:05:04 GMT, Juergen Heinzl wrote:
> >>I also find there are two mysterious files in /root, which are named
> >>as 1, la.pid. If I remove these two files, they will be recreated by
> >>some process 3 minutes later.
> >You tried a cat la.pid to start with ?
>
> the other thing he could try is lsof and also looking in ps -aux too.
> --
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