Linux-Misc Digest #504, Volume #24 Wed, 17 May 00 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Help with 'user', 'w', 'who' commands ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: diagnosing kernel bugs ("David ..")
Re: Moonlight 3d (Praedor Tempus)
Corel Linux and WINE (Giles Hamlin)
Re: Cannot enter yast2 using SuSE 6.4 (and the right password) ? (TomG)
Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng (Praedor Tempus)
WordPerfect ("David R. Klassen")
Re: swap-free error message??? what is this? (Bastian)
Re: Anyone have a clue about PAM? (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Hard Disk Weirdness - suddenly disk full ("Frank J. Schmuck")
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: NFS mount fails with "RPC: program not registered"; help! (Hannes Lau)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
grep - how can I ... ("Charles Sullivan")
applications behind ports ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: add a second root-account (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Running program under root ID (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open Motif Everywhere (Russell
Nelson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help with 'user', 'w', 'who' commands
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:14:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am having a strange problem with commands that are supposed to give
me
>
> info on users currently logged in on my linux box. For instance, when
I
> remotely connect to my linux machine while another user is logged in
on
> tty1, I'll run the 'users','w', 'who', etc. command to see what they
> say. In return I only get listings pertaining to my userid. The only
> way that I know another user is logged in is because when I run a 'ps
> -ef' I can see processes started by another individual and which are
> related to X-Window. I guess my question is where do the 'users', etc.
> commands get their info from (/etc/passwd?)? Are there any adjustments
> that I can make to a particular file in order to get these commands to
> work properly? Why are they not working? Also, when I issue the
'talk'
>
> command to another user on the same machine, I get an error message.
> I'm assuming that this is because Linux, for some reason, isn't
> recognizing the other userid (or could it be because the other user
> doesn't have an X-term open?). Logging in as root and running 'users',
> etc. doesn't help any. Nor do the man pages. Any help with this
issue
> is very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance to all who reply to this post.
>
>
I've been having some wierd stuff with who lately also.
I'm the only one logged on this box (RedHat 6.0, KDE). If I issue a who
command from a command line in kvt (KDEs terminal window) I get nothing
back. finger tells me that nobody is logged on (then who issued the
command!? Yea I know, could be in a cron job, etc.)
Now the wierd part...
If I fire up an xterm session, finger, who, w, all start to work
correctly, both in the xterm window and all of the kvt windows (even
those su-ed to another user!). As soon as I close the xterm window, it
doesn't work anymore.
Any ideas what is going on? It seems like kvt is buggy? What terminal
program were you using?
Thanks
Eric
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: diagnosing kernel bugs
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:09:38 -0500
William Hamish Bell wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Having installed RedHat 6.1 from the network I found my machine locked
> up many times. Each time it locked up I had to use the reset button. I
> learned these lock ups were due to a context bug (thanks to one of the
> readers on this news group.) So I upgraded from kernel-2.2.12-20 to
> kernel-2.2.14-6.0.1 following
> http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHBA-2000013-01.html
>
> I still get the occasional lock up via using ghostview from netscape. It
> seems like a memory leak but I don't have any diagnostics. I agree I
> could just grab a tar ball from www.kernel.org but I feel a loyalty to
> the RedHat customers and therefore would like find the bug and report it
> to bugzilla. So the question is does anyone out there have any
> diagnostic tools for kernel crashes?
>
> Thanks and Best Regards,
>
> Will
There is now a 2.2.14-12 kernel available in the updates directory at
redhat's ftp site.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moonlight 3d
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:24:33 -0600
Praedor Tempus wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > As user of moonlight 3d, i'm sure you have noticed that the original
> > sites are down.
>
> I believe they moved to sourceforge.
Oops. They are NOT at sourceforge...damn. It would be nice to
see something on the defunct website to explain the situation since
they DO imply that they will be back at some point.
praedor
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From: Giles Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Corel Linux and WINE
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:30:06 GMT
I am in the process of learning Corel Linux Deluxe 1.0 and wanted to try to
run a couple of Windows Apps in it.
However, to a newbie, the WINE site is confusing to say the least. Can
anyone give me any tips - what parts to download, how to install it, how to
run it etc?
Much obliged!!!
Giles
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From: TomG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cannot enter yast2 using SuSE 6.4 (and the right password) ?
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:30:09 GMT
Aron Felix Gurski wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> > I have installed suse 6.4 without any poblems. During installation i
had to
> > fill in a loginname and 2 passwords. One password as a user and one
password
> > as a administartor
> > 1) I cannot loggin as a system administrator (ROOT) using ofcourse the
right
> > password.
> > 2) I can loggin as a user but i cannot enter yast2...(using the right
> > password as a administrator)
> >
> > When i want to enter yast and i type my (administartor) password...no
> > characters (******) appaer on the screen, instead yast shuts down
wtithout a
> > warning.
> >
> > What is wrong ?
>
> It sounds like you are typing in the wrong password for root. Are you
sure that
> you typed it correctly during the installation of the system? Are you
taking
> into account that there is a difference between upper and lower case
letters in
> passwords?
>
> --
> -- Aron
>
> NB: To reply by e-mail, remove "spam-block." from my address.
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Eagles soar but a weasel will never get sucked into a jet engine.
I'd just like to add to this that Linux doesn't show characters for
passwords. Otherwise, I entirely agree with Aron.
TomG
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: samba printer woes...now LPRng
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:31:15 -0600
sandrews wrote:
> I saw this post late in the game and here`s my two cents
>
> .01 - If you are connecting to a remote printer add:
> :force_localhost@
> to your printcap, without this line LPRng will
> always send to localhost not to the remote printer.
> .02 - this printcap entry is what I use to hook to a print server:
>
> lp:rp=pr:rm=HPL4P.stablemates.org:force_localhost@
OK, it appears my problem is FINALLY fixed! Yeehaw! I can print now.
I don't know which step actually did it but I ran "checkpc -f" and tried
printing, didn't see anything (but it turned out there was a lot of
traffic
on the printer so it was being slow) immediately. I then added the
:force_localhost@ line to my printcap, which didn't produce any
problems,
restarted lpd and tried printing again. Printing works. I got all my
prints I attempted yesterday but I am not certain, due to timing, if
it required the addition of the force_localhost line to my printcap to
"unclog" the queue or if the printer just started spewing regardless.
Thank you all for your aid. It looks like LPRng solved my problems
(after a fashion).
praedor
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From: "David R. Klassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: WordPerfect
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:31:45 -0400
OK, it's been released - Corel WordPerfect Office 2000 for Linux.
Anyone using it and want to give a review? I've been waiting for
it and would like to know if it is really the cross-platform answer
I've been waiting for.
--
David R. Klassen voice: 856-256-4500 x3273
Department of Chemistry & Physics fax: 856-256-4478
Rowan University
201 Mullica Hill Road [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Glassboro, NJ 08028 http://elvis.rowan.edu/~klassen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: swap-free error message??? what is this?
Date: 17 May 2000 19:38:17 GMT
On Wed, 17 May 2000 17:20:31 +0100, David Taylor wrote:
>is there a way in linux to perform a physical scan of the swap-space
>partition?????
>
Have a look at the "badblocks" manpage.
Bastian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux.isp,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Anyone have a clue about PAM?
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:12:15 +0200
Bruce D. Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Any clue what might cause this error, or how to disable pam to prevent it?
>
>pam_parse: expecting return value; [...auth]
>unable to dlopen(/lib/security/required)
>adding faulty module: /lib/security/required
The PAM system is trying to dynamically load a PAM module called "required".
Possibly you have elements in a PAM configuration file in the wrong order,
e.g.
auth pam_unix.so required # WRONG
rather than
auth required pam_unix.so # RIGHT
However, as you don't post your PAM configuration file(s), noone can know
for sure.
HTH,
--
Ray Dassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:59:59 GMT
Mongoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' I am attempting to start a college project and have two of my
' ideas already being worked on. So I wanted to know what other people
' had for suggestions for linux projects? I was thinking of something
' along the lines of a project that would help promote the use of linux.
' What is something that most people could use? Something that could
' make a good 1 year R&D project?
Linux could really use a good framework for developing multimedia
applications and authoring multimedia content.
This means plugable codecs.
This means support for multimedia hardware.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: "Frank J. Schmuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hard Disk Weirdness - suddenly disk full
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:03:25 -0400
I have been getting "error swapping log file" what ever that is? I know this
must sound really stupid.
Thanks
Frank
"aflinsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Frank J. Schmuck" wrote:
> >
> > I was freeing up some space on my hard disk by deinstalling some RPMs.
I
> > don't believe I removed anything of great importance, mainly games and
> > stuff. After doing so I appeared to have no problems. I was able to
free
> > up space until I had about 20% of the disk free (1.2 gig drive) checking
the
> > disk using > df -m or > df -k. I appeared to have no problems at that
> > point.
> >
> > I then changed some permissions for StarOffice to allow a group (my
non-root
> > user account). But was never able to get it to run as my non-root user.
To
> > do this I was switching back and forth between root and user to change
> > permissions.
> >
> > I changed the clock to the correct time.
> >
> > Then I logged onto the Internet with Netscape for a short session (no
> > downloads just looking about).
> >
> > At the end of the session I moved from an Gnome session back to command
line
> > as the non-root user and did one last check with df. To my surprise the
> > disk was now 100% used.
> >
> > At that point I could not log onto a Gnome session. At shut down I get
> > x-font server - failed with everything else "ok."
> >
> > At boot I received no error messages but after logging on as root I
still
> > have 100% disk full. I am able to log onto a Gnome session.
> >
> > >> Anyone have an idea what I did and how to get out of this situation?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
>
> get yourself to a console and do a "du /" as root (no quotes of
> course) that should show you where all of your space went to.
>
> Most likely you managed to fill up /tmp or have an enormous
> .Xsession-errors file (happened to me once, blew up to 1.2G)
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:11:25 +0100
Jamie Webb wrote:
>
> Yes but Amaya is crap as an editor, whatever it proves in concept.
It really is bad. Terrible user interface.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:16:04 +0100
I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>
> *yawn* Same ol' "gotta be new to be good" arguement.
Well, such arguments do have some merit, unless you think that
perfection was achieved with the Good Old Way, and that it will never be
improved on. It seems pretty clear that improvements in anything must
needs come from the future, not from the past.
> To me, the most
> useful websites are the ones that give me *content* not *glitz*. If
> there ain't no content, then there's no need to download glitz.
First, glitz and content are not opposites of each other. They're
orthogonal concepts. A site with no glitz and no content is bad, too.
> By your arguments, email and Usenet (text/plain media) should have been
> buried long ago...
I do feel that there are improvements to be made.
> + (whatever you may think about them, MS's HTML DOM and CSS implementations
> + are much more functional then Netscape's or W3C's), we will not make
> + progress.
>
> That wouldn't be due to the number of programmers M$ throws at the
> problem, would it?
Ooo, bad argument. First, if a product is good, it's good no matter how
many programmers are 'thrown' at it. Second, one of Open Source's claims
is that it produces better code because thousands of programmers work on
projects, not just tens or hundreds.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hannes Lau)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: NFS mount fails with "RPC: program not registered"; help!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:22:39 +0200
On Tue, 16 May 2000 17:57:15 -0500, Michael Tsurikov wrote:
Hello Michael,
> As soon as I upgraded
>B to 6.2, A can no longer mount B's exported directory via NFS. When I
>try "mount -t nfs ...", I get the error message "Mount: RPC: program not
>registered". Computer B has no problem getting A's exported directory via
>NFS, however.
The message come from the server-site IMO, but you see the message by the
clients, rigth? It means: not all of services for nfs are running on the
server-site.
Make sure, that on every system you have install the same services.
First tip: use the user-space-nfs
Typ follwed on every system: rpcinfo -p
For example:
hannes@penti333:~ > rpcinfo -p
program vers proto port
100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper
100000 2 udp 111 portmapper
545580417 1 udp 675 bwnfsd
545580417 1 tcp 677 bwnfsd
100005 1 udp 718 mountd
100005 2 udp 718 mountd
100005 1 tcp 721 mountd
100005 2 tcp 721 mountd
100003 2 udp 2049 nfs
100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs
You use this services:
RPC-Portmapper
RPC-mount-Daemon
RPC-NFS-Daemon
Have you this on your system, then type: rcnfsserver restart or you can
also going from init 2/3 to init 1 and then back to init 2/3.
For example:
root@penti333:/home/hannes > rcnfsserver restart
Shutting down NFS server done
Starting NFS server done
> I've looked through all the FAQs and articles I could find on
>this, with not much luck. The best I could find is that it's something
>with portmap and hosts.allow / deny, but I don't know just what to do with
>them.
I have also nothing found in FAQ's and so on. But i have got an idea over
night for a few weeks ;-)
The most important things are in the /etc/exports, like this example
(the server is penti333 in this example):
# See exports(5) for a description.
# This file contains a list of all directories exported to other computers.
# It is used by rpc.nfsd and rpc.mountd.
#/etc/exports
/home 192.168.0.33(rw, no_root_squash)
# /home/ftp 192.168.0.33(rw)
/home 192.168.0.233(rw, no_root_squash)
# /home/ftp 192.168.0.233(rw)
/home 192.168.0.100(rw, no_root_squash)
# /home/ftp 192.168.0.100(rw)
Here you can see my /etc/fstab and i can mount with a simple type:
mount /celeron333 (for example: the client is penti333):
# Der NFS-Client mountet den Penti100:
192.168.0.100:/ /penti100 nfs user,noauto,exec 0 0
# Der NFS-Client mountet den Penti233:
192.168.0.233:/ /penti233 nfs user,noauto,exec 0 0
# Der NFS-Client mountet den Celeron333:
192.168.0.33:/ /celeron333 nfs user,noauto,exec 0 0
Please test it and when it running good, you have nothing to do with
/ect/hosts.allow and deny.
Sorry about my bad english. HTH a little bit.
CU H.Lau
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:29:00 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language").
Then why does HyperTEXT Markup Language contain an <img> tag?
> Trust me on
> this one; I created my first web site before there was a Netscape. :-)
Agreed--in medieval times, the Web was text.
> You can't categorically say "the web is visual," when there are blind
> people reading web pages with a text-to-speech system.
Literally speaking, you can, actually. Given the preponderance of sites
with graphics over sites with no graphics, if you had to choose a
category, 'visual' would be it. 'Categorically' doesn't mean 100%.
> Sure, there are
> visual components like graphics and fonts, but those should be considered
> *optional*. All the graphical browsers let you turn these things off (a
> godsend on slow connections).
The Web would be entirely different if most people turned images off.
> The point is, most people wrongly
> treat HTML like it was a layout language, and it simply isn't.
Most people? Surely that's a bit of an exaggeration. For instance, in
this (prolific) discussion, no one has said they treat HTML as a layout
language.
So let me be the first. :) HTML with CSS2 is a layout language.
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: grep - how can I ...
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:34:48 GMT
I seem to recall there was a way under Unix of making the 'grep'
command (maybe in combination with some other command on the same
same line) operate only on a specific field in a text record.
For example, suppose I have a comma-delimited database file with
records like:
"John Smith","108 Main Street",...
"Thomas Street","53 Elm Street",...
"James Strong","401 Maple Street",...
how can I grep out the records for all persons named "Street"
in the file (not just Thomas) without also getting the address
Streets?
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Charles Sullivan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: applications behind ports
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:35:24 GMT
Hi I'd like to know how to determine the name of the application
running behind a port number ?
I'd also like to know if
a) an application can run on 2 different ports at the
same time.
b) an application can run on 2 different ports at
different times.
c) if 2 different applications can run on a port at the
same time
d) if 2 different applications can run on a port at
different times.
thank's
reply: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:36:28 +0100
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> <P> <B> A shortage of Linux specialists has driven one Dallas software </B>
> <BR> <B> entrepreneur to create a network of programmers and
> consultants in </B>
> <BR> <B> about a dozen countries. </B>
> </P>
>
> <P> <B> Tom Adelstein, chief executive of Bynari Systems, said he has
> found it</B>
> <BR> <B> easier to recruit experts in the Linux operating system in
> Malaysia</B>
> <BR> <B>and Portugal than back home in Texas.</B>
> </P>
>
> This happens to be "standards-conformant," but it is _UGLY_ to say the
> least.
I don't see much difference, myself... What am I missing?
Anyway, it's clear that no code generator (which is what a WYSIWYG
editor, as well as a visual dialog box editor, really is) can produce
code as clean as a human.
> The thing is, _competent_ use of HTML pretty much mandates using HTML
> in the way it was designed, which is to provide _structural_ tagging.
>
> <B>This text here is bold.</B>
> <em> This text is emphasized.</b>
Doesn't this sort of disprove your argument? <b> is visual, not
structural. <b> is also HTML.
> The facilities are well-used when they are descriptive of the
> structure of the document; when you get overly particular about the
> visual layout, when composing a document, there is a high likelihood
> that the results won't look good _somewhere._
It's hard to imagine a situation where that would happen with <b>... or
even (dare I say it) <center>.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
(BTW, I've found your site really useful.)
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: add a second root-account
Date: 17 May 2000 12:18:53 -0800
Alexander K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>yeah i KNOW :)
>but this isn't what i asked about right?
>
>i asked about a second rootaccount and people just keep on
>blabla'ing. where is your sense of adventure? :)
Some things are hard to get across. (Some people are hard to
convince too!)
I would suggest that you invest in an old cpu, disk, etc. and
have a non-critical system with which to experiment. Then you
could go right ahead and try exactly what people are telling
you not to do! No harm done, and you will learn in your own
way exactly why not to do it.
It will not accomplish what you think it will. When the system
uses /etc/passwd it does not go looking for "root" except when
you login. It goes looking for a UID, and it uses the first one
it finds that matches. Hence, once you get past the password
entry, all uses of /etc/passwd will be selecting the first UID 0
line that is found.
Your second "root account" will be ignored.
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Running program under root ID
Date: 17 May 2000 16:58:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8fout6$a6m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob@work wrote
(FIVE, count'em, FIVE times):
> I have written a PERL script to prompt for a username and password. It
> then adds the user to the system. The problem I am having is that the user
> running the script is not root. Is there a way to get the PERL script to run
> as root, by someone other than root ?
(It is not spelled "PERL".) If you have suidperl installed, you can make
the script run with root's permissions by making it owned by root, then
turning on the setuid bit with "chmod u+s /path/to/script". You may want
to take away the permission of any user to run it ("chmod o-x
/path/to/script") and put the authorized users and the script in a special
group.
Notes:
perl will run with "taint checking" to try to protect you from certain
security problems. See the perlsec(1) man page.
It is too hard to write secure setuid shell scripts. Accordingly, Linux
ignores the setuid bit on scripts.
It is hard to write secure setuid executables. To see a list of reasons
why, see (for example) http://www.homeport.org/~adam/setuid.7.html .
(Using perl with taint checking is really the only realistic option for
most programmers.)
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open Motif Everywhere
Date: 17 May 2000 16:52:55 -0400
Mark Hatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Today, May 15, 2000, The Open Group released the source code of Motif
> 2.1.30 to the Open Source community.
No they didn't. It's not Open Source code. It's not sufficient to
say that *we* can use it. It has to be usable by everyone, including
commercial interests, to be Open Source.
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