Linux-Misc Digest #514, Volume #24 Thu, 18 May 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Any way to fake/spoof MAC address? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Help:Installing X fonts packaged for Debian in Redhat (Oliver Katigbak)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Making a Linux box authenticate to an NT domain (Bob Hauck)
Re: Finding the status of a process (Andreas Rottmann)
Re: Boot Disk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
i need some answers for radio link ("News")
Determining which diskette densities can be used for booting (Tom Fawcett)
database application ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux komplett �ber 1023sten Zylinder ("Anakin Skywalker")
booting over 1023rd cylinder ("Anakin Skywalker")
Re: 'nother Q : make process start under another ID (brian moore)
only 8 virtual desktops in KDE?!! (Peter Bismuti)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Netscape Newsgroups (Malcolm)
hosts.deny fills up redundantly (Praedor Tempus)
Re: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open Motif Everywhere (phil hunt)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Netscape Address book bug (Robert Lynch)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Doug Alcorn)
Re: win4lin (was Corel Linux and WINE) (Yan Seiner)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (John Hasler)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: AOL for Linux??? (Harlan Grove)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Any way to fake/spoof MAC address?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:20:20 GMT
On 17 May 2000 18:02:14 -0500, Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Hauck wrote:
>>MAC addresses are 48 bits. Part of that is assigned to the card
>>manufacturer and is common to all cards made by that company.
>But I've run into places that "administer" MAC addresses. I'm not sure
>why.
It would make sense as a way of keeping track of what computers were
assigned to whom for remote management.
>I've seen network cards that permitted loading a MAC address into them.
>(I recall that token ring cards specifically permit this, but I believe
>I've also seen ethernet cards with utilities to change MAC address.
Well, token ring is an entirely different thing. Never used that, don't
know much about it. We were talking ethernet.
>presume there are some network setups that have associated a MAC address
>with a particular machine, and if that card needs to be replaced,
Some software is licensed per machine, and some of them have you send in
the MAC address and they node-lock the software to that. It is very
annoying if you want to move the software or you get a new NIC. It might
be convenient to change the address temporarily. But in the long run if
you have to move the software it is probably better to call and get a new
license key. Well, as long as you are a licensed user to begin with...
>(Bob, you didn't mention >why< you changed the MAC addr on your laptop.)
I didn't. The other guy did and he didn't say why either. He originally
wanted to hide it.
>Needless to say, if cards can have their MAC addresses altered, it becomes
>more likely to have duplicates floating around.
Right.
>I don't recall how many bits are consumed by the mfr's code, but surely
>3com has "overflowed" the remaining bits.
Have they sold 4 billion cards yet? Even if they have, they could simply
get another manufacturer id.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Oliver Katigbak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help:Installing X fonts packaged for Debian in Redhat
Date: 18 May 2000 13:22:18 GMT
-=> rshum wrote to All <=-
rs> Hi, there,
rs> I would like to install the xfntbig5p-cmex24m font package in my
rs> Redhat 6.2 system. But I can only find this package in .deb format.
rs> Is there any way to 'decompress' .deb file so that I can install this
rs> font package?
U can use alien to convert it to a tarball or rpm.
... (A)bort, (R)etry, (D)ragonflame it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:28:54 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 04:49:10 GMT, Mongoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 May 2000 01:00:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>> So what is the problem with doing this in the KDE desktop?
>>
>>KDE isn't free.
>
> uh what? I don't remember paying for KDE...
It's base library is "owned" by a corporation.
A good suggestion might be to replace libqt entirely with a
completely liberated clone. However, it's dubious whether or
not the KDE developers would actually take advantage of such
a thing.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Making a Linux box authenticate to an NT domain
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:28:02 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 00:22:10 +0100, Ian Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know how to make a Linux box authenticate users paswords to an NT
>domain server?
For what purpose? If you are sharing files and printers, samba can do
this. See the docs.
If you're talking interactive logins, I believe there's a PAM module that
does what you want. Look under /usr/doc/libpam-something on your system.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Andreas Rottmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Finding the status of a process
Date: 17 May 2000 00:27:58 +0200
Doug Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have a program that forks a process. I would like the process that
> did the forking to be able to get the status of the forked process.
> The parent process has the process ID of the forked process. How do I
> find what the exit status of the forked process is (if it has exited),
> or some piece of information that would allow me to conclude that the
> process is still running? Any help is appreciated.
>
man 2 wait
man 2 wait4
HTH, Andy
PS: Please set fup'2 on x-posts. Thx.
--
Andreas Rottmann (Dru@ICQ, 54523380@ICQ)
Pfeilgasse 4-6/725, A-1080 Wien, Austria, Europe
http://www.penguinpowered.com/~andy/
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[one of 78,35% Austrians who didn�t vote for Haider!]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Boot Disk
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:34:10 GMT
> >Tom's RootBoot, the most Linux on one floppy... incredibly useful for
> Incidentally, I've run into problems with rescue diskettes and RH
> installs. Something about the RedHat installer does not properly
> create a new ext2 partition, so that if you try to mount it with
There are 2 issues, 'sparse-superblocks' and 'ext2-filetypes', both
were unsupported by 2.0.37 and have been made the default in some
recent distributions. Tomsrtbt-1.7.185 was patched for the sparse
thing, kernel 2.0.39 will also include the filetypes thing, the next
tomsrtbt will include both fixes and thus should again work with all
the current distributions filesystems.
-Tom
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "News" <diaridigital(nospam)@diariandorra.ad>
Subject: i need some answers for radio link
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:55:37 +0100
i need some answers for radio link on linux
9600baud & vhf/uhf radio
tux(nospam)@elgratuit.com
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Determining which diskette densities can be used for booting
Date: 18 May 2000 08:43:52 -0700
Is there any easy way to determine which diskette densities
can be used for booting (ie, which are supported by the BIOS)?
I'm the author of the Bootdisk-HOWTO. I advise formatting diskettes at
higher densities (eg, 1680K, 1722K) for more space on a bootdisk. This
works fine for most machines and most densities, but some people have been
reporting problems; at some densities, kernel loading freezes or is unable
to find the root fs, etc. So is there any way to determine, maybe via BIOS
calls or ioctls, exactly which densities/geometries can be used?
Trial and error is rather expensive.
Thanks,
-Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: database application
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:35:52 GMT
i need to write a personnel info system/payroll application for my
friend whose soho (30 staff) is migrating from windows to linux. i
have no web programming experience (java,perl,etc.), but i did some
application in ms-access and sap abap/4. what software(s) should i
use? thanks very much.
adajar
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Anakin Skywalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux komplett �ber 1023sten Zylinder
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:22:34 +0200
Hallo,
mein Linux (SuSE 6.4) ist komplett �ber dem 1023sten Zylinder (Festplatte:
IBM 20G).
Ald erstes Betriebssystem ist Win ME vorhanden, welcjes keinen DOS-Unterbau
mehr hat. Ich kann also Loadlin nicht verwenden. Wie kann ich das System
trotzdem booten ohne die Installations-CD von SuSE zu verwenden?
Bis jetzt habe ich es �ber 2 verschiedene Bootdisketten der folgenden
Art(erfolglos) versucht:
1.
dd if=/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/bzImage of=/dev/hdc bs=18k
rdev /dev/hdc /dev/hda7 # hda7 is my root part.
rdev -R /dev/hdc 1
2.
/sbin/mkfs.minix -c /dev/hdc 1440 # its SuSE
mount /floppy
cp /boot/boot.b /floppy
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/bzImage /floppy
touch /floppy/lilo.conf
----
lilo.conf:
boot=/dev/hdc
install=/floppy/boot.b
map=/floppy/map
prompt
vga=normal
image=/floppy/bzImage
root=/dev/hda7
----
lilo -C /floppy/lilo.conf
-> I get a message 1024 exceeded
but then it says * linux added
Booten:
1. Gleich nach dem Zugriff auf die Diskette h�ngt sich der Computer auf
2. Es wird auf die Diskette zugegriffen aber dann startet Windows ME
????????????????????????????
Vielen Dank f�r eure Bem�hungen
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From: "Anakin Skywalker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: booting over 1023rd cylinder
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:13:28 +0200
Hello
I have a SuSE 6.4 Linux-system that is completely located above the 1023rd
cylinder on the harddisk (IBM 20GB - from 16th to 20th GB). Dont blame me
for having Windows ME on the first 15 GBs. It disables the use of Loadlin.
At least I didnt succeed. How can I boot this system without using the
Installation-CD from SuSE?
I tried to make two bootdiskettes on a normal disk in a LS-120 drive using
the following way:
1.
dd if=/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/bzImage of=/dev/hdc bs=18k
rdev /dev/hdc /dev/hda7 # hda7 is my root part.
rdev -R /dev/hdc 1
2.
/sbin/mkfs.minix -c /dev/hdc 1440 # its SuSE
mount /floppy
cp /boot/boot.b /floppy
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/bzImage /floppy
touch /floppy/lilo.conf
----
lilo.conf:
boot=/dev/hdc
install=/floppy/boot.b
map=/floppy/map
prompt
vga=normal
image=/floppy/bzImage
root=/dev/hda7
----
lilo -C /floppy/lilo.conf
-> I get a message 1024 exceeded
but then it says * linux added
Booting
1. HangUp
2. Windows ME starts
??????????????????
help me please.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: 'nother Q : make process start under another ID
Date: 18 May 2000 16:00:55 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 13:13:51 +0200,
Peet Grobler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, this might be a more tough one.
>
> When I switch to runlevel 3 (I think it is), it runs "/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs
> start".
> This, off course, is daemons running under the root userid.
>
> How can I make these (or for that matter any other) daemons start under
> another userid? e.g. I want sysop to run all nfs processes?
Um, nfs won't work correctly unless it's run by root.
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Bismuti)
Subject: only 8 virtual desktops in KDE?!!
Date: 18 May 2000 15:53:12 GMT
8 is not enough, how can I override this?!
THanks!
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:07:15 +0100
I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>
> + I was responding to greg's assertion that the Web is text, because HTML
> + and (and HTTP) have 'text' in them.
>
> Yes, you do keep picking nits.
I don't know about you, but I don't waste my time responding to messages
by people I don't respect. Certainly not to those I feel are picking
nits. But each to his own.
> And you keep missing the point: content.
If you're going to respond to posts written to other people, at least
have the courtesy to allow me to choose my own subject. I wasn't
referring to content at all in that post; simply to the assertion that
the Web is text.
However, if you're determined to drag in content, I will admit that I
think the Web is more than just content. For that matter, that's true of
a book, as well. But if I had to choose (not that I or anyone else does
have to choose), of course I'd choose content over presentation.
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From: Malcolm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape Newsgroups
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:05:02 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Folks,
I am running Red Hat 6.1 with kernel 2.2.12-20 and Netscape Navigator
4.71. My problem occurs after I open the communicator and download the
newsgroups and subscribe to the ones I want. After I close NS and
disconnect, the next time I log on there are no newsgroups listed. I
must download all groups again and subscribe to selected groups again.
Naturally I have reread the entire group again. This happens every
time I close and reopen NS. I can find nothing in the preferences or
help about this problem. Any ideas???
Thanks,
Malcolm
To reply by E-Mail remove "zzz" from E-Mail address
Malcolm
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hosts.deny fills up redundantly
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:20:31 -0600
I am running portsentry on my system. I find that every day entries to
my hosts.deny increases, which would be fine if the new entries WERE
always new. Instead, I get a couple new/unique entries added to
hosts.deny but, by far, the majority of entries are redundant. I end
up with a file loaded with repeated entries of the same IP address.
Why? Is there a way to prevent duplicate entries from being added?
Barring that, can someone help me out with a script that I could
run as a cron job to remove duplicate entries?
Thank you,
praedor
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open Motif Everywhere
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:19:44 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 18 May 2000 12:28:11 GMT, Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:12:38 +0100, phil hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>Of course, the distinction is rapidly becoming almost irrelevant: the only
>>closed-source Unix which is likely to remain around is Solaris. The others
>>(IRIX, AIX, HP-UX) are likely to be abandoned, and their best features
>>subsumed into Linux.
>
>While this may be true for IRIX, I'm not so sure about HP-UX, and not at all
>sure about AIX,
Which Unix do IBM recommend for the S/390. Is it:
(a) Linux
(b) AIX
The answer is: Linux.
Ditto for the Netfinity series. AIX is becoming a backwater for IBM.
> and pretty certain that Tru64 Unix is not going to be
>abandoned any time soon.
Not formally abandoned.
> Don't forget, also, the up-and-coming Monterrey,
>from IBM and SCO...
IMO this will never amount to anything important. The momentum is all
behind Linux.
Linux currently has >25% server market share, more than all other
Unices combined. By the time Monterrey ships (next year?), Linux will
likely have 30-35% server market share (greater in Internet servers,
say 40-50%), and will be perceived as the standard platform for low
to medium size Internet servers.
>Just because a company embraces Linux in the press doesn't necessarily mean
>its own proprietary Unix is going away any time soon.
I agree.
AIX etc won't disappear overnight. It's just that the companies behind
them will gradually switch to Linux.
There's two reasons for this:
(a) cost. Why go to the expense of maintaining your own distribution
of Unix? IBM can sell their boxes for the samer amount of money whether
they run AIX or Linux, so they can save money by stopping development
of AIX and switching to Linux instead.
(b) customer familiarity. More customers have used Linux than AIX. If
I was buying a webserver from IBM tomorrow, I would want to run Linux on
it. Why? Not because it is necessarily better than AIX, but I am more
familiar with it.
--
***** Phil Hunt ***** send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] *****
Moore's Law: hardware speed doubles every 18 months
Gates' Law: software speed halves every 18 months
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:23:22 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie) wrote:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language").
>>>>> Then why does HyperTEXT Markup Language contain an <img> tag?
>>>> Why on the <img> tag is the alt attribute required?
>>> Your question doesn't answer my question. If the Web was hyperTEXT,
>>> there'd be no need for either the <img> tag or its alt attribute.
>> Because the <img> provides content?
> I was responding to greg's assertion that the Web is text, because
> HTML and (and HTTP) have 'text' in them.
Gee, I post one article in the thread and suddenly I'm the instigator?
Please see the restored attributions. And try not to delete them next
time.
> Which brings up another point. Even if HTML was just for text markup,
> the Web is more than HTML
Another point? It's just the same straw man argument. No one said HTML
was for text alone, only that it is clearly not for graphics alone.
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:22:20 -0700
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape Address book bug
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, reinstalling Netscape doesn't fix the problem, or not
> completely... What I've found is that, even with the BRAND NEW 4.73
> version, I can't read the address book. I've completely removed all
> traces of the address book (even to the point of removing the entire
> .netscape directory out of my home directory) and recreated everything
> from scratch, and while I haven't had any problem with NS crashing, it
> still refuses to grab anything out of the address book, or let me modify
> any entries. The funny thing is, I *can* export to a LDIF file, and
> everything looks like it's still there!!!
>
> PLEASE NOTE: This is **ONLY** a problem with the RedHat 6.2 release!!
>
> I have run the EXACT SAME COPY OF NETSCAPE under other releases (RH 6.1
> in particular), and it runs FINE!
>
> I suspect we're barking up the wrong tree. The problem is probably
> caused by a change in either the glibc library or something in X or
> Gnome. In any case, it's a change in the environment somewhere...
>
> Has anyone been able to get any help out of RedHat??? Their search
> mechanism is useless, since all the links generated by the search jump
> to totally unrelated articles.
>
After messing with the addressbook for a while with no joy, I set up an
LDAP server, and use it for my mail address book instead. Works pretty
well.
Cheers,
Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: Doug Alcorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:26:02 GMT
Lathi gets out a clue stick.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 04:49:10 GMT, Mongoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 May 2000 01:00:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>> So what is the problem with doing this in the KDE desktop?
> >>
> >>KDE isn't free.
> >
> > uh what? I don't remember paying for KDE...
>
> It's base library is "owned" by a corporation.
>
> A good suggestion might be to replace libqt entirely with a
> completely liberated clone. However, it's dubious whether or
> not the KDE developers would actually take advantage of such
> a thing.
First, the Qt library _is_ now free. Trolltech decided to license it
using a "free" license. Second, there already was (a now dead?)
project to reimplement Qt with a free license. Third, if Qt weren't
free and there was a free compatible library, it doesn't matter if the
KDE developers used it or not. The end user could without any
problems. If the two libraries were compatible, then Qt based apps
would not even know that they weren't using Qt.
--
(__) Doug Alcorn (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.lathi.net)
oo / Win a 66MB capacity tape drive. Help me win too!
|_/ http://www.ecrix.com/extreme/getReferrals.cfm?ref=7612
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: win4lin (was Corel Linux and WINE)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:46:31 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just installed win4lin on my RH 6.2 system. Except for some doc
flaws, a corrupt patch file, and a couple of other thorns, the
installation was pretty straightforward. I think if you had one of the
systems supported on the CD, it would be completely painless.
I've been playing with it for a while and it seems very stable, and
requires much less in the way of resources than vmware.
OTOH, it does not support SMP, sound, and some other things.
--Yan
Blake LeBaron wrote:
>
> Chad Lemmen wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Giles Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I am in the process of learning Corel Linux Deluxe 1.0 and wanted to
> > try to
> > > run a couple of Windows Apps in it.
> > >
> > > However, to a newbie, the WINE site is confusing to say the least. Can
> > > anyone give me any tips - what parts to download, how to install it,
> > how to
> > > run it etc?
> > >
> > > Much obliged!!!
> > >
> > > Giles
> > >
> >
> > I've never tried WINE, but I just installed Win4Lin and it works great
> > for running Windows apps. It's different than WINE as it actually has
> > you install Windows from the Win CD. So you then run the apps right in
> > Windows. WINE lets the apps run on Linux natively. Win4Lin is just
> > like Merge for SCO UNIX. The price is $49.95, but I think its worth it.
> > Their web site is http://www.win4lin.com and you can read a review of
> > it at http://www.aplawrence.com/Reviews/win4lin.html
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> This is interesting. Has anyone had any experience with both vmware
> (www.vmware.com) and win4lin? How do they compare?
>
> --
> Blake LeBaron
--
Think different
ride a recumbent
use Linux.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:17:15 GMT
softrat writes:
> Nonsense. Any organization which advocates the violent overthrow of the
> government is illegal, i.e., outlawed.
The act of doing so is illegal and individuals who do so or who conspire to
do so may be prosecuted, but to get a conviction the government must
produce evidence of an overt act. Mere membership in an organization is
never illegal: guilt by association is unconstitutional.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:39:41 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie) wrote:
>>Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I do feel that there are improvements to be made.
>> Such as? they're simple media for a simple usage: communicating a
>> written word. Period. Neither need HTML tags. *Emphasis* can be had
>> for *two* characters, not <B>seven</b>.
Actually, in most cases it can be had for ZERO additional characters.
> Let me get this straight: are you truly saying that you feel there
> are no improvements to be made in Usenet and email?
I wouldn't say that. There's much room for improvement (see USEFOR),
but changes in the body in the direction of expecting people to markup
their message bodies with wasteful HTML or embed images into their
messages as either attachments or automatically-loaded externally linked
images (there's a denial-of-service tool) when an in-body cite by URL is
sufficient are not improvements.
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AOL for Linux???
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:34:21 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Bell) wrote:
>Hello! I know this is going to sound stupid, but....
>Is there an AOL client for linux? I've been using my AOL
>email addy for years, and can't change it.... Thanks!
If you just need to check e-mail and write occasional
replies, you could use AOL's browser based e-mail.
You can try complaining to AOL, but since they don't even
support Windows NT, it's very unlikely they'll come out
with a Linux version any time soon.
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