Linux-Misc Digest #552, Volume #24 Sun, 21 May 00 19:13:02 EDT
Contents:
I get a 320x200 resolution when I run Gnome of RedHat 6.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XFree86 and Mandarke-7.0?? (Andrew Purugganan)
Soft RAID vs. SuSE? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: installation of mandrake linux 7.0
OT(?): Any Nethack-style game in a modern setting? (Andrew Purugganan)
can't start netscape ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Tired of spam! (John McKown)
Re: Tired of spam! (Bastian)
Re: assigning IRQs? (Janet)
Re: Disregard--test message (Steve)
Re: Linux (Steve)
Re: Hard Drive Light Always On (Steve)
No answer from freewwweb (Was Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Compiling from source... Which compiler do I need? (David Bell)
Weird System.map error during boot ("Ez-Aton")
Re: XFree86 and Mandarke-7.0??
Re: serial mice & cheap motherboards ? (Mike Keiser)
Fixing old DeadRat install... (Dances With Crows)
G400 and xfs (Sandhitsu R Das)
Re: OT(?): Any Nethack-style game in a modern setting? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Weird System.map error during boot (Dances With Crows)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I get a 320x200 resolution when I run Gnome of RedHat 6.0
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:55:27 GMT
Hi All,
I have recently installed a RedHat on my system already having windows
98. When I run startx it gives me a 320x200 resolution screen .. The
task bar itself occupies almost half the screen. I have a NVidia TNT2
64 AGP 32MB vedio card. I am unable to cofigure it. Running
Xconfigurator is also not helping.. Can anyone tell me how to go about
this. how do i edit the config file or how do i install the driver for
my video card. Can I mount my c:\ drive in linus.. If so How? How do I
run the installation.
Any Inputs will be Greatly apprecited.
Thanks in Advance.
Sanjay
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: XFree86 and Mandarke-7.0??
Date: 21 May 2000 21:11:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Hello,
: New install of Mandrake 7.0 Linux distribution.
: As non-provileged user:
: I login (login shell /bin/csh) and start X using `startx' and ~/.xinitrc. It
: starts OK. After some idle time the X server dies with message (on console)
: Terminated
Must configure X properly first, that is, make sure you've got the right
driver (or server as it's known in X) to match your graphics card. How
far were you able to go using XF86Config or XF86Setup? You might have to
go thru that exercise just to make sure you've got it right
Pay a visit to mandrakeuser.org, a lot of help can be found there too
--
jazz annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
Registered linux user no. 164098
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Soft RAID vs. SuSE?
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:15:47 +0200
Hi, i got the following Problem:
I=B4m using SuSE 6.4 with the SuSE Kernel (cause im to lazy to patch on m=
y
own ;-) ) 2.2.14.
Now i try to setup an RAID on 4 SCSI Disks, with the "raidtools", but it
doesn=B4t work, mkraid md0 exit with =
" analyzing super-block
disk 0: /dev/sda1, 4401778kB, raid superblock at 4401664kB
disk 1: /dev/sdb1, 4401778kB, raid superblock at 4401664kB
disk 2: /dev/sdc1, 4401778kB, raid superblock at 4401664kB
disk 3: /dev/sdd1, 4401778kB, raid superblock at 4401664kB
mkraid: aborted, see the syslog and /proc/mdstat for potential clues"
The SuSE-Kernel is patched for RAID, i think, because all of the raid
extensions are available at configtime.
Please help, I need help as fast as possible cause of missing space
Thanx a lot
Sven Holz
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installation of mandrake linux 7.0
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:30:08 GMT
David Efflandt wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 21 May 2000 17:30:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I am new to linux,and have installed it on a windows machine. I now
cannot
> >get into it because it says i don't have some files loaded i need.I was
> >wondering how to take it out and reinstall it so it would run
correctly.Up
> >to now,I have had no luck as i do not know how to do this,and the docs
do
> >not tell me how.
>
> I assume you are installing it on Pentium or similar (AMD K2, etc.). It
> might help if you listed what files it cannot find. Make sure the CD is
> inserted before you boot from the install floppy, or at least before you
> hit enter at the boot: prompt.
>
> My install floppy in Macmillan Mandrake 7.0 was defective, so I had to
> make another one. If your boot floppy does not work see section 4.2 of
> the "Installation Guide" to make another one.
>
> Otherwise if you got completely though the install and are missing
> something, you might want to go through it again, but select "Update" and
> see if you can find the files or packages you are missing. It is
probably
> best to set it NOT to boot into GUI mode unless everything tests out fine
> for X.
>
> --
> David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
> http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
> http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/ http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: OT(?): Any Nethack-style game in a modern setting?
Date: 21 May 2000 21:26:37 GMT
I'd like to try out these kind of games but have they always been in a
dungeons-and-dragons setting? Nothing set in modern times? I'd like the
transition to alternate realities to be a little less jarring, thank you
And you think you got problems...
--
jazz annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
Registered linux user no. 164098
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: can't start netscape
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:38:49 GMT
Hi,
I use caldera 2.3 and presently have a problem with netscape.
I tried to install real player 7, and it seemed to go ok, but now I
can't launch netscape at all.
i get an error saying there is a ~/.netscape/lock file. there is, and i delete
it; but the error comes back everytime i try to start netscape.
i can start netscape on other accounts on my machine ok, so i presume my
/usr/bin/netscape is not affected.
i am sure this is related to the real player installation, how can i uninstall
it? or, what else can i do?
thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown)
Subject: Re: Tired of spam!
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:30:08 -0500
On Sun, 21 May 2000 21:39:36 +0100, Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mark Bratcher wrote:
>>
>> So: warning everyone: I recommend against clicking on the http shown by
>> this person. It will probably record your email address.
>
>It couldn't.
It's that sort of "it depends?". I don't know, but it is possible that people
here use Internet Explorer + Outlook. There may be some sort of script that
could be run at the Web site to capture that information. I'm not really sure.
Of course, if you're as paranoid as I am, then there is little likelyhood
of this happening. I run Linux. I use Netscape for browsing. But when I'm
running Netscape the Linux id is not the same as my ISP email id. And
I don't use Netscape mail, so it is not set up. I use slrn to read the
newsgroups, with a 2nd Linux logon with is different from my ISP email
id and different from the Linux logon that I use for Netscape. Also I use
PINE for my email, which has NO scripting in it (thankfully!). Oh, and I
sent the hostname on Linux to be totally out of the blue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: Tired of spam!
Date: 21 May 2000 21:58:38 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 15:08:59 -0400, Mark Bratcher wrote:
>I believe this note posted by "James" is also spam! It has appeared on
>every newsgroup that also contains the message about Brittany Spears.
>
>So: warning everyone: I recommend against clicking on the http shown by
>this person. It will probably record your email address.
How can it do this?
Bastian
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From: Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: assigning IRQs?
Date: 21 May 2000 14:48:57 -0700
Robert Herzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Janet wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My video card and ethernet card are using the same IRQ (11, according to
> > cat /proc/interrupts). At any rate, the network dies rather frequently,
> > and the video has some issues as well, so I'm guessing that the shared IRQ
> > is the problem. Is there any way to convince one of them to use a
> > different IRQ? I looked in my BIOS, but the only IRQ options are to have
> > them set automatically or to set them all manually.
> >
> > Janet
>
> If one of your cards is ISA (network card ?) definitely reserve an IRQ
> for it in BIOS ("legacy ISA"). So at least the auto assigning of free
> IRQ's will not interfere with it.
> If all is PCI-AGP, I cant's see why BIOS would assign same IRQ to both,
> unless there are _many_ other cards around (sound, modem, SCSI
> controller, etc.). In that case you might be compelled to make choices
> and remove some not too useful device...
> Robert
That doesn't seem to do anything. Or rather, I assigned IRQ 11 (the one
they were sharing) to be legacy ISA, and they both jumped to IRQ 10
instead. One thing I have noticed is that when I boot up, the video card
does not seem to have an IRQ assigned (it doesn't appear in
/proc/interrupts). However, after I start the X server, then it gets one
(which is unfortunately the one that the ethernet card is using). The
ethernet card is a Kingston KNE110TX, and the video card is an nvidia
GeForce.
Janet
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: Disregard--test message
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 May 2000 23:04:35 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 13:40:41 +0200, Barry Rutten wrote:
>john calison wrote:
>
>> test message
>
>How nice of you to send a test message to a linux newsgroup with
>Outlook..
Pitty he didn't test cancelation aswell. Works a treet on slrn,
I can even mark a message as cancelled while off line and when
I synchronise my NGs it the message gets cancelled.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
10:29pm up 4 days, 6:33, 6 users, load average: 1.23, 1.53, 1.43
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 May 2000 23:04:36 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 Hendrix wrote (while using Tux's IP address):
>
Yes Tux the crossposting seems to be working. Now you need
to think of something that everyone's going to want to read,
I'ts a tall order I know but maybe a friend will help you out.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
10:29pm up 4 days, 6:33, 6 users, load average: 1.23, 1.53, 1.43
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Hard Drive Light Always On
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 21 May 2000 23:04:36 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 14:35:11 GMT, Hal Burgiss wrote:
>
>I had a similar situation and found that my desktop applet for the CDROM
>was constantly accessing the CDROM. I guess to see if it was ready, or
>whether music/data. I just keep it closed now, until I need it. Don't
>know windows, but I think most of the Linux applets tend to do this.
Thanks I'l check this out next time I play a CD.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
10:29pm up 4 days, 6:33, 6 users, load average: 1.23, 1.53, 1.43
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No answer from freewwweb (Was Re: connect LINUX to Free ISPs?)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:57:33 GMT
I tried to connect to freewwweb using minicom. After I dial the number
with atdt, there's no sound (completely silent) and it times out after
about 45 seconds. If I use the telephone to dial, I can hear the correct
modem squeak sound. If I dial our local public library line-mode telnet
catalog search, it works fine too. If I boot into windows, I can dial
into Netzero or Spinway no problem. But I have the same "no answer"
problem with freewwweb which I don't care for Windows; this is
WindowsNT. Can anyone help me troubleshoot dialing to freewwweb with
minicom? If I can get this to work, I can do the PPP later myself.
Thanks.
Yong Huang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [snipped] You are missing the link there that says "I already have a
browser".
There
> is enough information there that if you know how to set up a typical
ppp
> connection using pap authentication (not a login script) it will work
> fine. Just make sure that you visit their home page after you login.
You
> are not supposed to use it for demand connections or automatic redial.
>
> --
> David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Bell)
Subject: Re: Compiling from source... Which compiler do I need?
Date: 21 May 2000 22:16:24 GMT
>That's probably not relevant. Either compiler should be able to
>compile the trivial executable that configure scripts use.
>
>What does the end of config.log contain? My guess is that you're
>missing the development version of libc. In Debian the package is
>called libc6-dev. That's the package that contains the standard
>header files that virtually all C programs will require.
>
Config.log:
This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure,
to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake.
configure:649: checking whether make sets ${MAKE}
configure:678: checking for gcc
configure:791: checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works
configure:807: gcc -o conftest conftest.c 1>&5
/usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure: failed program was:
#line 802 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
main(){return(0);}
--
I hope this may shed some light... Thanks for the quick reply!
=========================
David Bell - Otherwise known as DB7654321
Remember to remove nospam, notrash or anything odd looking from my email
address. :)
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From: "Ez-Aton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Weird System.map error during boot
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:18:31 +0200
Hi fox.
I have a problem which I find weird, and I need your advice on this one.
Mandrake 7.0
I d/l the 2.2.14 kernel, and applied the usb-patch from the 2.3.99-pre7 to
2.2.14 kernels.
After compilling the new kernel, with all the required stages (make
menuconfig, make clean, make dep, make modules, make modules_install, make
bzImage).
I 'cat bzImage in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > /boo/vmlinuz.2.2.14' (An
empty one) and copied the /usr/src/linux/System.map to
/boot/System.map.2.2.14 (another new one).
I created sym link to /boot/vmlinuz and to /boot/System.map.
I edited /etc/lilo.conf to use map file /boot/System.map, ran lilo and to
boot my new kernel (with backups, off course!) and rebooted.
Since then, everytime I boot, I get few error massages saying:
"/boot/System.map is not a parsaeble system.map file"
Now, everything works fine, but it just annoys me. Is there a reason
(something wrong I did) that can cause this error massage? Is there a
solution?
Thanks, guys :-)
Ez.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XFree86 and Mandarke-7.0??
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x
Date: 21 May 2000 18:25:37 -0500
In comp.os.linux.misc Andrew Purugganan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : Hello,
> : New install of Mandrake 7.0 Linux distribution.
> : As non-provileged user:
> : I login (login shell /bin/csh) and start X using `startx' and ~/.xinitrc. It
> : starts OK. After some idle time the X server dies with message (on console)
> : Terminated
> Must configure X properly first, that is, make sure you've got the right
> driver (or server as it's known in X) to match your graphics card. How
> far were you able to go using XF86Config or XF86Setup? You might have to
/etc/X11/XF86Config was created with xf86config utility.
XF86Config seems to be OK. The display does start, xterm works, I can start
and use netscape too BUT the server does die, the last message to file
`garbage' (I use start windows with command
startx --bpp 16 >& garbage) is:
(--) SVGA: XAA: Using 6 128x54 areas for pixmap caching
(--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and non-transparent stipples
(--) SVGA: XAA: Horizontal and vertical lines and segments
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
I am stumped.
- ishwar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Keiser)
Subject: Re: serial mice & cheap motherboards ?
Date: 21 May 2000 22:21:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Keiser) wrote:
>>When changing the motherboard, you _did_ use the serial
>>connectors that came with the new board, did you? Otherwise,
>>there's no guarantee at all that they use the same wiring.
>>Only the external plug's layout is standardized; the
>>internal part (going from the motherboard to the plug)
>>isn't.
>
>yikes! we hadn't considered that - although we _may_ have
>tested it with the included ones at one point, I know that at
>the moment it's using the old serial connector. I'll change
>that tomorrow morning.
turns out that it was the wrong connectors after all; changed
those over, and the mouse configured itself.
thanks for the help
- mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Fixing old DeadRat install...
Date: 21 May 2000 18:52:23 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 21 May 2000 20:55:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8g9ift$ov3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have recently installed a RedHat on my system already having windows
>98. When I run startx it gives me a 320x200 resolution screen .. The
>task bar itself occupies almost half the screen. I have a NVidia TNT2
>64 AGP 32MB vedio card. I am unable to cofigure it. Running
>Xconfigurator is also not helping..
That's because support for the TNT2 video cards was added in Xfree86
3.3.5, and DeadRat 6.0 shipped with 3.3.3.1. You need to upgrade your X
at the very least. If I were you, I'd upgrade the entire distro; 6.0
contained numerous bugs and 6.2 is out ($2 US at cheapbytes.com!).
http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.6/RELNOTES.html
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mhgraham/UpgradeXfree.html
>my video card. Can I mount my c:\ drive in linus.. If so How?
I don't think Linus himself wants to have anything to do with your DOS
partition. :-) Linux, however, will mount your DOS partitions just
fine. Execute these commands as root:
# mkdir /mnt/win (only do this once)
# mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/win
voil�, your DOS stuff is fully accessible under /mnt/win. Read the FAQ,
the Fine Manual, and the HOWTOs at http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/ for a great
deal of information on many of the questions you no doubt have. Good
luck.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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From: Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: G400 and xfs
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:54:28 -0400
I installed Xfree 4.0 and the mga driver loads fine. But X doesn't start
up - says "couldn't find default font 'fixed'....any workarounds ? I tried
specifying FontPath explicitly by directory names in XF86config - doesn't
work. When I use "unix/:-1" it says - "deleting unix... from fontpath".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: OT(?): Any Nethack-style game in a modern setting?
Date: 21 May 2000 18:58:56 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21 May 2000 21:26:37 GMT, Andrew Purugganan
<<8g9kad$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I'd like to try out these kind of games but have they always been in a
>dungeons-and-dragons setting? Nothing set in modern times? I'd like the
>transition to alternate realities to be a little less jarring, thank you
(Followups set.)
You want the rec.games.roguelike.* groups. FWIW, Angband and its variant
Zangband are extremely configurable even if you're not a C coder--most of
the weapon types and names and such are stored in ASCII files, along with
all the monster data. I recall a futuristic roguelike called "Abyss
2200" or something similar, but I think it's been abandoned. A good place
to start for non-NG info on these things would be Robert Ruehlmann's page
at http://thangorodrim.angband.org/ .
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:00:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
' I haven't followed the latest License Wars series, but I thought
' the real contentention was between KDE vs. GNOME, with GNOME's
' main reason to exit being that KDE wasn't GPL'd. Did I miss
' a twist in the plot? (Yes, I agree that LGPL is a relatively
' sane license, but sanity rarely has much to do with anything.)
Well, KDE _is_ GPL'd. That is a requirement of using Qt Free
Edition. I'm not sure that using the Lesser GPL is even an option.
That option _does_ exist for GTK+ and GTK--.
For myself, if I am going to produce free software, I want it to be
GPL. I don't want my work to be used in proprietary software unless I
get paid for it. I also don't feel that I can produce code of such
high quality that others should pay to use it a la' Microsoft
shitware. However, I can certainly do good things with the help of
others. I think such help is easier to get if the code is GPL. It
means no one can steal the work of others.
What TrollTech is currently doing with Qt 2.x and higher is a good
thing. People who produce GPL software can use Qt without worrying
about the QPL. Modifying Qt is another story, but I expect that
worthy changes would be incorporated into Qt. It is certainly
possible to use inheritance to extend Qt. Your code is GPL anyway.
TrollTech can't take GPL code and put it under the QPL.
If you don't like Qt, then you can simply use another toolkit.
GTK+/GTK-- is a popular, free toolkit. There is also Tk. Tk has been
ported to more platforms than both Qt and GTK+.
If the above options, including toolkits I haven't mentioned, are not
to your liking, then you can undertake writing your own toolkit. I'm
sure that is more work than writing any single application.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:00:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
' In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
' David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
'
' >Granted, when I first started out, SuSE was great. It allowed me to
' >set up my system without knowing much of anything. I still think SuSE
' >or some other good package is the way to go for a beginner. However,
' >I have started to outgrow it.
'
' In what way? I have several things that I maintain locally either
' because they aren't in the distribution or contributed rpms or
' because I need local changes.
Source becomes available before an rpm does. Also, I am not working
with a large set of packages that would make dealing with source
installs unmanageable. With my DSL connection, I don't really need to
bother with waiting for the CD to come out with the latest versions of
the packages I use.
' This is your choice, of course, and having that choice is a
' very good thing. You just have to realize that this is a
' fast-paced business and you are going to be repeating that
' work at least every 6 months just to stay at the point
' where a single distribution 'update' run would put you and
' you have to track all the bugs and improvements yourself.
' I prefer to take advantage of the thousands of programs
' that someone else has bundled in a workable form and spend
' my own time on a few critical ones where I actually need
' more control. However, even with these I would be perfectly
' happy to let a distribution update that worked as well replace
' my older version.
One thing that is tricky to do is stay on the bleeding edge when you
need to if you are using rpms or other package management tools. For
example, I use the anoncvs server to keep my KDE2 up to date. All I
do to build everything is run a single shell script.
If I ever get the time, as you rightly suggest is a scarce commodity,
I would like to put together a shell script that updates the world.
As more and more sources become available via cvs, rsync, cvsup, etc,
that becomes easier to do.
What would be truly ideal, if it is sane, would be to have a single
update command that I could launch that would grab the latest versions
of the packages I use, build them, and then push them out to all the
machines I have on my network, or to nfs shares. Obsolete libs and
such should then be removed from the system to free space.
>From what I hear, debian may be closest to that ideal.
I agree that it is very convinient to have a good package management
system. However, I don't think rpm does the job. It may be that I
just don't understand rpm well enough. After all, I've been shielded
from details by yast. But rpm files do require that the person[s] who
put the package together create a correct spec file for dependencies
and such. Considering that information is available in the make file
or in the binaries themselvies (for ldd visible linkage), it should be
something that is automated.
Ok, I'm beginning to ramble now. My needs are not always going to fit
in a single package scheme.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Weird System.map error during boot
Date: 21 May 2000 19:08:08 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 22 May 2000 01:18:31 +0200, Ez-Aton
<<newscache$dskxuf$ykn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Hi fox.
^^^
I'm sure all the Linux-using females appreciated that ;-)
>After compilling the new kernel, with all the required stages (make
>menuconfig, make clean, make dep, make modules, make modules_install, make
>bzImage).
>I 'cat bzImage in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot > /boo/vmlinuz.2.2.14' (An
>empty one) and copied the /usr/src/linux/System.map to
>/boot/System.map.2.2.14 (another new one).
>I created sym link to /boot/vmlinuz and to /boot/System.map.
>I edited /etc/lilo.conf to use map file /boot/System.map, ran lilo and to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah. So I assume you had a line like
map=/boot/System.map
in /etc/lilo.conf? That tripped me up for a while once.
When LILO runs, it creates a "map file" that contains info on the absolute
addresses of the sectors that contain the kernel image, the boot
parameters, the boot message, and so forth. This map file is usually
about 18K or so in size, and it is essential that it be under the
1024-cylinder limit in older versions of LILO. It's traditional to put
this file in /boot/map.
Confusingly, the System.map file that contains information on the
locations of kernel symbols is also called a map file. To fix this
puzzling behavior, do this:
0. Edit lilo.conf so the map= line uses /boot/map
1. Run lilo.
2. Copy /usr/src/linux/System.map to /boot/System.map
HTH...
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| You have me mixed up with more
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| is the study of cool. --MegaHAL
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