Linux-Misc Digest #581, Volume #24 Wed, 24 May 00 09:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Highlander PIDs ("Henrique Pantarotto")
ssl certificate server ("Diana Block")
Re: Sendmail migration ??? (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: how to include new apps in startmenu (ray)
Re: Sendmail header lines (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: time qoutes (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: UIDL for pop3 servers under linux (Uwe Brauer)
Re: HP-UX vs. Linux (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Someone)
Installing from hard disk + complaints (Edgar)
Linux On Laptop (Jonid)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Someone)
Re: synchronise hardware and cmos clock (Christopher Browne)
Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany
(Roger Blake)
Re: ssl certificate server ("Andreas Bienert")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
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From: "Henrique Pantarotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Highlander PIDs
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:00:14 -0300
> > popmgr 18613 0.0 0.0 2144 0 ? DW May11 0:00
[nnpopper]
> >
> > Today is May 23rd, and PID 18613 won't die! I tried kill, kill -9 many
> > times, but the PID is very strong. nnpopper is a pop3 daemon, reading
mail
> > at a NFS server (a netapp F760).
> >
> > Anybody has any clues? Should I send any contents from /proc/18613/* ?
>
> probably at the fd directory and see what files it has open, which
> should give you a clue as to what IO it is stuck on.
Hello Brian,
the /proc/18613/fd directory shows that the process in messing with two
files, which I cannot remove.
[root@foo /root]# ls /proc/18613/fd -l
total 0
lrwx------ 1 root root 64 May 24 08:54 0 ->
socket:[69370613]
lrwx------ 1 root root 64 May 24 08:54 1 ->
socket:[69370613]
lrwx------ 1 root root 64 May 24 08:54 2 ->
socket:[69370613]
lrwx------ 1 root root 64 May 24 08:54 3 ->
/var/spool/pop/.nfs0015790600152b50
lrwx------ 1 root root 64 May 24 08:54 4 ->
/var/spool/mail/t/.nfs001ae085001537af
[root@foo /root]# rm /var/spool/pop/.nfs0015790600152b50
rm: cannot unlink `/var/spool/pop/.nfs0015790600152b50': Device or resource
busy
[root@foo /root]# rm /var/spool/mail/t/.nfs001ae085001537af
rm: cannot unlink `/var/spool/mail/t/.nfs001ae085001537af': Device or
resource busy
Dear Linux GURUS: do I really have to reboot my server to get rid of these
never dieing PIDs? There should be a nice solution to this... ;-)
Thanks a lot!
Henrique Pantarotto
Sao Paulo, SP - Brazil
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From: "Diana Block" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: ssl certificate server
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:15:40 +0200
Hello,
hope, there is somebody, who will help me.
I want to setup a certificate server with linux, which should be an
autorative server to give certificates to some of my other domains.
Some of this domains are running under Microsoft IIS, others under Apache.
Can somebody give me some statements, what I need and what to do?
I have no experience in this area.
--
Mit freundlichem Gru� aus Sankt Augustin
Diana Block
ChemSoft GmbH
Market-Services
Postanschrift: Am Otenberg 17a, 53757 Sankt Augustin
Technik und Service: TechnoPark der GMD, Rathausallee 10
Telefon 02241/334691 - Fax 02241/334692 - http://www.chemsoft.de
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail migration ???
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:07:18 +0200
Copy your /etc/sendmail.cf /etc/mail /etc/aliases /var/spool/mqueue
/var/spool/mail and that's it.
Also be sure that you edit your sendmail.cf file when your hostname of
the system has changes!!!
Raymond
Benson Lei wrote:
> Hi,
>
> anybody knows how to migrate the sendmail & all personel mails from a
> machine to another ???
>
> Thank you for your help.
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to include new apps in startmenu
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:11:59 GMT
Ian Malliques wrote:
> I'm newbee to Linux. At home I have Red Hat 6.2 on ext2 partition (3.2MB)
> and 64MB for swap (it exists besides Win2000: fat32 fs); I have several
> problems. I installed sketch (vector drawing program) and python, of course,
> but every time I want to start it up, i have to type:
> /usr/bin/sketch
> Is there any easier way to run this program? Is there any way to put a link
> to him in "start menu" (as under Win9x/Win2k).
> Thanks for any help:))
> Ian
Sure, every desktop I know of has some way to manage menus. Not knowing
what Window Manager you are using makes it hard to answer you. RedHat 6.2, I'm
going to guess, you are likely using gnome and enlightenment. If so, do the
foot, find "settings", menu editor. From there, it's pretty intuitive on adding
an item, changing it's icon, etc.
Also, bear in mind, that executables that are IN your PATH, (which see), do not
require you to provide the path completely, as a search through your PATH will
be made exactly as is done in windoze.
--
Ray R. Jones
The Computer Shop
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP://gordo.penguinpowered.com
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail header lines
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:09:53 +0200
First of all let me warn you about changing RuleSets (IT CAN BACKFIRE)
I did a bit of hacking once and it is quiet hard to be honest.
Perhaps you should repost this question at sendmail.org there are some guru's
perhaps ther might even be a complete sendmail newsgroup
Raymond
bluesky wrote:
> I am trying to pickup the name of the original recipient name of
> an aliased email delivery to a common user on the localhost. It
> appears that the header is the only source for this info.
> Sendmail writes the original recipient in the 'Received:' header
> line in the form of 'for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'. However, if the
> list of recipients is greater than one then sendmail does not
> write out this info in that header line. I need to configure
> sendmail to include this info under both circumstances.
>
> I have that 1000 page book on sendmail and have been trying to
> get into the guts of it but I need some help. Are there any
> sendmail gods that can help me out?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
> The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: time qoutes
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:13:32 +0200
There is a possibility I can't find it that fast on my RedNeck laptop in
SuSE it resides in the /etc/defaults or /etc/skel but I'm not sure you can
specify this kinda info on a per user bases. But at least now you can
search a bit further.
Raymond
faisal gillani wrote:
> I want to specify user specific time to acess network how to do that ??
> Like user1 has 10 hours specific to use network
>
> --
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From: Uwe Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UIDL for pop3 servers under linux
Date: 24 May 2000 13:41:48 +0000
John Wingate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Uwe Brauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello
>
> > Does anybody know about a mail tool under Linux, which
> > deals well with the UIDL feature for pop3 or imap servers.
>
> > Emacs VM, fetchmail, fetchpop and kmail either flush the messages or
> > keep them and then again receive them, which is not what UIDL should
> > do. Why on the other hand does Netscape deal well with those severs?
>
> Fetchmail does what you want with the UIDL feature. I use it, and only
> get one copy of mail which is left on the server. You do have to
> request it in the .fetchmailrc file (keyword "uidl"--I put it after the
> words "protocol pop3") or on the command line ("-U" or "--uidl"). RTFM.
>
I apologise partly, you are right: the following did it for me at the
command line fetchmail -d 900 sunma4.mat.ucm.es --user oub -p pop3
--uidl --keep (I forgot the keep option, I thought either uidl or
keep) however when I try to configure my .fetchmailrc file I get
stacked poll sunma4.mat.ucm.es protocol pop3 uidl keep username oub
password *** does not work!
Can you please send me your configuration?
Thanks
Uwe Brauer
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HP-UX vs. Linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:21:00 +0200
It completly depends on "what" webserver a heavily loaded one or a
low-load server.
It also depends on if you would like to keep the HP-UX machine running
and doing other "interresting stuff" in that case you don't want a
webserver running on top of a villing-application or something.
HP-US is a very nice system but it is pretty expensive to run strictly as
a webserver. The IP stack on HP-UX is a bit bloaded (same as for Linux
only a bit worse on HP-UX) so on a very heavily network loaded system
HP-UX won't do that good, in that case use FreeBSD (wich has a very slim
IP stack) or use Digital Unix/Tru64. But only 1 out of the 1 thousand
has a big enaough side that IP stack limitations come in view.
You need to be very honnest to your self in a case like this since both
systems will suffice in a "normal" situation and both systems will not
suffice in a yahoo or amazon.com website. (This doesn't mean that either
HP-UX or Linux suck!!!). The aren't enigeneered for heavy duty network
applications unlike Tru64 and *BSD* are.
Raymond
Ben Chauss� wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you know what is best between HP-UX and Linux. We want to create a
> web server, and we would like to know what is best does two one ????
>
> Thanks !
>
> BEn ...
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From: Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:25:35 -0400
blah, blah, blah, more hobbies for Computer Science geeks. I have several
hobbies two of them are Digitally recording my band and another one is playing
with Linux. And for me the question is: Pay big bucks for a multitrack cd
pressing software for a Win box, Pay Bigger bucks for a Mac and App, or spend
the rest of my life figuring out how string together linuxs text apps, TCL, and
various X apps. I happen to be a musician and computer literate, but I only
have so much time. I guess the though of his thread is lost. I was just trying
to suggest a killer app that would bring hords of Linux users, sorry if I rained
on your power outlet.
David Steuber wrote:
> Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> ' Mr Steuber is an excellent example of my point. In my message can't you
> ' tell I LIKE linux, I have Linux, I have used Linux for several years. It
> ' is a great hobby to configure but once it is working what are you going to
> ' use it for? Why don't any of the free ISPs support Linux? That would be
>
> No, I could not tell.
>
> I also don't see how support by free ISPs is any kind of indicator of
> the quality of technology. I wouldn't touch those free ISPs with a 20
> meter, high voltage catle prod.
>
> As for what are you going to use if for, you are clearly limited by
> your imagination. What is it you are doing on Windows? Why can't you
> do it with Linux or *BSD?
>
> I spend a fair amount of my leasure time on usenet and mail. Linux
> seems to do those functions pretty well. I also develop software.
> Linux seems to have some pretty good tools for that too. Linux also
> seems to have more text processing tools than non-unix type systems.
> Also, there is at least one good image processing tool for Linux.
> There are also tools for digital signal processing, content
> distribution, type setting, data storage and retrieval, network
> management, network services, security, data encryption, numerical
> analysis, etc, etc, etc.
>
> It seems to me that anything you could possibly want to do on a
> computer can be done on Linux. If some feature is missing, the tools
> are provided to implement it. Saying that you can't do anything on
> Linux is utterly absurd.
>
> --
> David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
> NRA Member | a hoploholic.
>
> All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
> -- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing from hard disk + complaints
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:30:04 GMT
I am new to Linux, but have used and repaired DOS-PC's for about 10 years.
I tried to install first Caldera OpenLinux and, when that didn't work,
TurboLinux from my hard disk. This was the most frustrating experience in
my life! I hate Windows because it doesn't work and it is very slow.
After 10 (ten!) days trying to install Linux I am about to give up.
* OpenLinux says: "Oops! No valid root!" Of course not, I just started the
installation program! It doesn't mater how my disk is partitioned, I have
tried installing with already formatted Linux partitions but nothing helps.
* TurboLinux seems not to be able to find the TurboLinux files on my hard
drive, Setup Installer says "Cannot find ../module/module..." (don't
remember the rest, ends with .qz)
Now I have Mandrake. No (!) problem to install - but the mouse doesn't
work. NIC is found, configured and installed but doesn't work.
(Initializaton failed during boot.)
Using only the prompt & Midnight Commander, together with my book "Using
Caldera OpenLinux" I have tried to find out which files to edit, but I
don't succeed.
I must also say, I thought that Windows took a long time to start and shut
down - but more like the speed of light compared with Linux!
Even though I am an MCP, I am a fanatic Windows-hater. Don't tell me that
this is the way it is with the alternative!
Peter Haraldson, Sweden
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From: Jonid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux On Laptop
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:30:05 GMT
Hi
I've installed many virsions of linux on my laptop "which is Twinhead p166
and 16MB RAM" including mandrake, storm winlinux and redhat linux. but all
these virsions doesnt work on my system and it freezes on first boot after
the installation, during the following line:
Starting PCMCIA.....
What is wrong is there any problem with virsions and they are not
compitale with laptops. if this is the problem, which FREE virsion is the
best for Laptops?
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From: Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:33:40 -0400
I have tried simular searches with no Luck, those have included postings to every
newsgroup I could fine. Nobody has ever been so helpful before. Thanks!!! I am
now going to try this and if it works I will finally be able to leave my server
on all the time. I know what you are thinking "Why ever shut it off, Linux can
run for ever!". Well the SCSII drives are noisy and my wife pulls the plug on
the server everytime she goes into the basement. What she can't hear she wont
shut off!
BTW, your attitude just proved my point.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >How can I spin down my SCSI drives when they are not in use? I've
> >been after that for years.
>
> And in all those years, you never went to Google and typed
>
> scsi linux spin down
>
> as your search terms? Because if you did, you'd have found several references
> to scsi-idle, and the 9th hit is the "homepage" for it, appropriately titled
> "Starting and Stopping SCSI drives under linux".
>
> Or you go to Freshmeat, and enter
>
> scsi spin down
>
> in the search box --- and number 6, "noflushd", is what you are after.
> It describes how to handle SCSI disks in its README file.
>
> Now, granted, it sounds like neither solution is completely stable with
> the latest development kernels (the last time I used scsi-idle was in '96),
> but at least it's there, and it's fairly easy to find.
>
> Bernie
> --
> Gentleman, I am a Catholic... If you reject me on account of my
> religion, I shall thank God that He has spared me the indignity of
> being your representative
> Hilaire Belloc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: synchronise hardware and cmos clock
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:50:43 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Carsten Arnold would say:
>how do i synchronise my hardware and cmos clock?
See:
man hwclock
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/>
"[In 'Doctor' mode], I spent a good ten minutes telling Emacs what I
thought of it. (The response was, 'Perhaps you could try to be less
abusive.')" -- Matt Welsh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Blake)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:54:44 GMT
On 24 May 2000 10:54:54 GMT, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What you're talking about sounds like a "Cracker" not a "Hacker".
Indeed. The terms "hacker" and "incompetent" are mutually exclusive.
--
Roger Blake
(remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email)
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From: "Andreas Bienert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: ssl certificate server
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:59:51 +0200
> Can somebody give me some statements, what I need and what to do?
> I have no experience in this area.
W�rde ich ja gerne tun. Aber Cross-Postings und englisch-sprachige in
dt.-sprachigen Newsgroups sind irgendwie nicht mein Ding!
Gru�
Andreas
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:00:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller) writes:
' [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
' >David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' >
' >> Do people really have trouble with ./configure, make, make install?
' >> It has _never_ been a problem for me. Maybe I am just lucky. Even
' >> though I changed my compiler, libc, and libtools.
' >
' >That precise process usually works out fine. However, a number of
' >these processes require manual modification of the Makefile or a
' >custom configuration file. I've also encountered several configure
' >scripts that break, and when that happens, you're doomed to rewriting
' >the Makefile by hand. And there are still a few programs that just
' >provide you with a grab-bag of Makefiles, and you get to pick which
' >one you want. Those are *always* disasters, but usually the Makefiles
' >are at least short enough that fixing them isn't impossible.
'
' Yow, you make it sound like brain surgery. I can count the number of
' times that I had to hack Makefiles to get a program to make on the
' fingers of one hand. And multiple make files are a good thing if you
' have to do special stuff to get a program to compile on a particular
' system. I'd rather there be three makefiles named:
'
' Makefile.AIX
' Makefile.Linux
' Makefile.BSD
'
' Than to have to edit a single Makefile to work.
Sorry to quote everything, but I thought that this is what
autoconf/automake was supposed to fix. Then there is TrollTech's
tmake. Life must get interesting at times.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:00:01 GMT
Maciej Golebiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' How often the makefiles provide the "uninstall" target, too? Or at least
' a script for un-installing? Otherwise, over the time and number of upgrades
' to newer versions comprised of different files, you're accumulating
' "abandoned"
' files.
It does happen. I don't know what percentage of makefiles provide
that or a simiar target. Most produce a single executable image that
is easy to dispose of.
' RPM is not perfect but it is quite OK. It's just that the guys creating rpm
' not always can get the dependencies right. Personally one of my favourite
' query options in rpm is -q -f to instantly get the name of the package
' "owning" a specific file. I love it.
What do you do when two packages claim ownership of the same file?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:59:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
' >Have I violated someone's license?
'
' Just putting the code on the same machine is not a problem.
' You must create a 'derived work', which has been commonly
' described as code linked in a single process. Linking
' GNU readline (GPL, not LGPL) into a database control
' program that used a commercial client library would be
' an example. While you can probably get away with building
' such a program yourself, distributing it would be at
' least questionable, especially if you redistributed a copy
' of the GPL'd readline with it. Now for something even
' more confusing, consider what happens if you have a
' perl script that dynamically loads readline and also
' uses DBI which can pull in an assortment of database
' client libraries at runtime, including commercial versions.
' If this ends up linking to (say) Oracle libs, does it
' become illegal to distribute the script?
I would think not. The dynamicly loaded modules are not part of the
script, they are just used by the script.
' For an even stranger case, consider mod_perl, compiled into apache,
' both of which can dynamically link other modules and the process
' lifetime spans many requests. If one web requests runs a script
' that links a GPL'd library, and another pulls in a commercial
' library, you now have a derived work (by some definition)
' that is not allowed, yet no single thing is responsible for it.
ibid.
' >I am not trying to create a situation where you or anyone else can't
' >use code that I write or code that is derived from code that I write.
' >I am trying to avoid the situation where improvements to my code are
' >not returned to me or to others. The whole point of FSF style free
' >software is to advance the state of the art by not shackling code with
' >proprietary licensing.
'
' The GPL instead shackles any other code linked into a derived
' work with its own restrictions, or in the cases where
' other code already has different restrictions it makes the
' combination impossible.
I think the only code shackled by GPL is the code that is derived from
GPL. In the case of linkage above, the top level code must be
compatible with GPL, but the libs it uses does not have to be.
If I have GPL lib A and proprietary lib B and my code C uses A and B,
then my code C is GPL. I can distribute my code without distributing
A or B. My code may even be able to work without A or B with reduced
or different functionality.
' >If there is a better way to achieve this goal, please tell me about
' >it.
'
' In the case of a complete stand-alone package, restrictions on
' derived works may not be a problem. For things that would
' be useful as a component, the LGPL or BSD style opens up
' more possibilities.
OK, you say reusable components like libs are better off with a less
restrictive license. That is fair. But if the lib is under a BSD
style license, Microsquish can take that library, change it, and not
release any of the changes back to the public. Once you use an
'enhanced' feature, you are tied to a non-free Microsquish library.
You are at the mercy of Microsquish. If the code is at least LGPL,
then the library code is still going to be free. Microsquish must
make its changes available as source.
Now if the library is GPL, then anything linking too it must also be
GPL or GPL compatible. What about software that makes system calls in
Linux? Must that also be GPL? Should I demand that Netscape ( now
AOL ) release _all_ the code for Navigator? Surly all programs must
make system calls at some level. Does the Linux kernel make
commercial software for Linux impossible? Make that closed source,
proprietary software. No Oracle or Sybase for Linux?
I guess that must mean running such software on *BSD instead. But
what if the application uses networking protocols to link to other
software? Is that linkage that GPL affects? How far does it go?
The possibility that closed source or non-GPL compatible software can
not be legally run on Linux does bother me. Although I would prefere
all software to be GPL, I do see the need to accommodate people who do
not like the GPL. Having a libc for each possible license category is
certainly wasteful if the duplication is soley to deal with license
concerns. I guess it's a good thing libc is LGPL.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:00:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
' It was the Tue, 23 May 2000 08:59:59 GMT...
' ...and David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
' > The right is non-exlusive. That means everyone can get that right. I
' > think TrollTech is just trying to prevent forking of the Qt library
' > here.
'
' Exactly that is which is bad IMHO. Real software freedom has always
' been the freedom to fork.
That's a good point. But what is the value in real forking? Do you
really want to have ten different major versions of GTK+ floating
around? Or even two? If an application says it uses GTK+ ver x.y,
wouldn't it be simpler to know that the application didn't really mean
FGTK+ x.y?
Linux is held together because people respect the opinion of Linus
Torvalds. Even so, there are Alan Cox diffs, RTLinux, and probably
others. The tendency is to stick with Linus Torvalds Linux as the
base. Will that be true for all GPL projects? What if some group
decides a certain feature is needed in GTK+, but another group of
equal size feels that feature doesn't belong, or should be implemented
in a different way, with a different interface?
I guess Qt doesn't really solve that problem since you can just use
inheritance to provide feature X in any number of ways.
Now the people at Microsquish might say that this is why you need one
company enforcing a single standard way of doing things. And yet they
too are stuck with feature creep and redundant implementations too.
It is a jungle out there.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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