Linux-Misc Digest #585, Volume #24 Wed, 24 May 00 15:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Praedor Tempus)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Praedor Tempus)
How to use mknod to create /dev/one (Geoffrey Steeves)
sendmail relay??? (Dennis Marshall)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Praedor Tempus)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: xmms stuttering (Sony VAIO) (Steve Linberg)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Alexander Viro)
Re: Linux On Laptop ("Al @Work")
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ("Ermine Todd")
Redhat 6 install problems... ("John P")
Re: Windows by Day, Linux by Night (Paul Kimoto)
Re: msie 5 for unix on linux (h8te)
Re: msie 5 for unix on linux (Scott Bishop)
Re: compiling error (Paul Kimoto)
new kernel... (andres lajous)
Re: msie 5 for unix on linux (Bob Tennent)
Re: Windows by Day, Linux by Night (John Hasler)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (brian moore)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:31:11 GMT
On Wed, 24 May 2000 11:14:50 -0600, Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dowe Keller wrote:
>>
>> On 23 May 2000 13:07:01 GMT, David T. Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake) writes:
>> >
>> >> ' Section 3b) (on modifications to QT)
>> >> ' When modifications to the Software are released under this
>> >> ' license, a non-exclusive royalty-free right is granted to the
>> >> ' initial developer of the Software to distribute your modification.
>> >>
>> >> The right is non-exlusive. That means everyone can get that right. I
>> >> think TrollTech is just trying to prevent forking of the Qt library
>> >> here.
>> >
>> >No, they are ensuring they can continue a revenue stream based
>> >on contributions from outside the company. They will take your
>> >modification and include it in QT Pro.
>> >
>> >> As I said previously, if you don't like the Qt license, you can
>> >> create your own library. There is no one to stop you. You can
>> >> also use one of the other available libraries.
>> >
>> >I was not arguing I should create a library. I was not arguing
>> >against QTs right to use whatever license they like. I was
>> >arguing that people should think twice before referring to QT
>> >licensing as substantially free or "open source". The right to
>> >fork is absent, the right not to have your contributions included
>> >in proprietary works (such as QT Pro) is gone, and QT gets a copy
>> >of EVERYTHING that even links to their code, even if it is not
>> >publicly available.
>>
>> I agree about the right to fork, but several free software licenses
>> (the X-Windows, and BSD licenses come to mind) allow people to make
>
>And the right to fork is good because...? Because it is GOOD to
So a standard can be free to propagate into the hands of
anyone that needs it.
>fragment
>software and libraries so that apps fail to work nicely? So that if you
There's no good reason that multiple implementations of the
same standard should fail to work nicely with each other.
This is only an outcome if you believe in the M$ view of how
software works.
[deletia]
As far as 'Unix fragmentation' goes, I've been building
source tarballs on various Unixen since before a viable
version of Windows ever came into existence. So, I'm not
sure what this boogeyman was supposed to have been doing
to me.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:35:34 -0600
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
[...]
>
> >OK, you say reusable components like libs are better off with a less
> >restrictive license. That is fair. But if the lib is under a BSD
> >style license, Microsquish can take that library, change it, and not
> >release any of the changes back to the public.
>
> Yes, which does nothing to damage the code that continues to
> be available.
[...]
But it leads to PRECISELY the problem that exists on the Windoze side of
the PC that is generally agreed to be bad. M$ produces extensions to
some standard. Because they are big, powerful and influential AND
provide tools that MANY use that then utilize these
alterations/extensions,
creating software/web pages, etc that incorporate these extensions,
they lock out alternatives.
There is no reason to assume, magically, that M$ could not and would not
succeed in doing so (if they wished) with BSD-based/non-GPL software.
They have the right to extend it and break it and not release the
alteration. Many people would use it (a RELATIVELY small core of
hardcore linux/bsd users are not significant in the big scheme so
THEIR refusal to go along is irrelevant in the larger market) and
break intercompatibility...hmmm...just like in the windoze world.
BSD licenses vs GPL or LGPL, would foster this sort of thing. There
just isn't (yet) a big boy on the block like M$ taking advantage of
his weakness in the licensing scheme.g
I ask for someone to defend this ability when it comes to BSD-style
licenses while at the same time railing AGAINST the practices of
M$ in a similar manner. They are doing what a BSD license permits.
They make a practice of code forking to force users to use THEIR
solutions rather than a competitors...but in the BSD license world
this would be a good thing, fully supported by "the community"?
I honestly ask why this is not hypocrisy because I really don't see
why it isn't?
praedor
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:47:46 -0600
JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 May 2000 11:14:50 -0600, Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Dowe Keller wrote:
[...]
> >>
> >> I agree about the right to fork, but several free software licenses
> >> (the X-Windows, and BSD licenses come to mind) allow people to make
> >
> >And the right to fork is good because...? Because it is GOOD to
>
> So a standard can be free to propagate into the hands of
> anyone that needs it.
[...]
Then perhaps I am misunderstanding what is meant by "forking".
As for the unix bogeyman...sure it is an easy thing to write code that
would work on any unix. It is also possible to make largely portable
code if you write for windoze...but you lose enhancements and
optimizations
in doing so.
Would not your code have worked better/faster/more efficiently on unix
version X if you had written for unix version X rather than defaulting
to the generic? Is it not this type of fragmentation (I use that word
instead of forking until I properly understand the term) that relegated
unix to a niche market rather than taking over? The commericial
unix makers kept going with propriatory versions rather than versions
that would play well together. After a, perhaps, convoluted path we
end up with Windoze as the predominant PC os. I doubt it would ever
have been more than a stillbirth if unix hadn't fragmented and
collapsed on itself the way it did (perhaps there would be an M$-like
AT&T unix that everyone would be fighting against).
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From: Geoffrey Steeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to use mknod to create /dev/one
Date: 24 May 2000 17:44:05 GMT
I'm trying to create a device file like /dev/zero, except instead of
returning a zero I want the file to return the byte 255. I've read the
man and info pages on mknod, and everything is clear, but I don't know
anything about what major and minor number to use. ANy help would be
great. Thanks.
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Geoff Steeves // University of Alberta Physics //
http://www.ualberta.ca/~gsteeves
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From: Dennis Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sendmail relay???
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:51:58 -0400
I'm trying to configure sendmail to relay mail from another domain, but
I'm unsure what to change to accomplish this. I've looked
through the sendmail.cf file, but it is very cryptic as to how to do
anything. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know... thanks
dm
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:55:19 -0600
Alexander Viro wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip'a'lot]
> >make coder's lives easier, make user's lives easier. SOME things should
> >be standardized (the kernel is standardized and controlled thru one
> >point:
> >Linus...so is this evil and bad? Should the kernel not be allowed to
> >fork
> >to extremis?). Standardizing does NOT automatically mean stagnation or
>
> Kernel _is_ allowed to fork. RTFGPL and for $DEITY sake, get the fuck out
> of c.o.l.d.system with that off-topic drivel, will you?
No. I am part of this thread to learn and will continue to put forth my
thoughts, expecting errors to be corrected or encounter mere opinions of
no more worth than my own, thank you.
As for kernel forking...is not linus torvald the ultimate point of
control
for what a linux kernel is? A linux kernel is what he ultimately says
is
a linux kernel. Others are not linux, by definition. They may be
compatible
but they would not be linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:01:09 GMT
On Wed, 24 May 2000 11:47:46 -0600, Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 24 May 2000 11:14:50 -0600, Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Dowe Keller wrote:
>[...]
>> >>
>> >> I agree about the right to fork, but several free software licenses
>> >> (the X-Windows, and BSD licenses come to mind) allow people to make
>> >
>> >And the right to fork is good because...? Because it is GOOD to
>>
>> So a standard can be free to propagate into the hands of
>> anyone that needs it.
>[...]
>
>Then perhaps I am misunderstanding what is meant by "forking".
Forking can imply many different things depending on who
is making the implications and what their agenda might be.
>
>As for the unix bogeyman...sure it is an easy thing to write code that
>would work on any unix. It is also possible to make largely portable
>code if you write for windoze...but you lose enhancements and
>optimizations
>in doing so.
Very little code really needs that much 'tweaking'. Even the
code that does get tweaked the most can still manage to be
successfully represented with interfaces optimized for widest
compatibility rather than the highest framerate.
>
>Would not your code have worked better/faster/more efficiently on unix
>version X if you had written for unix version X rather than defaulting
>to the generic? Is it not this type of fragmentation (I use that word
It would likely work even faster if designed with clear functional
goals in mind rather than being driven from the marketing department
and subject to creeping featurism.
>instead of forking until I properly understand the term) that relegated
>unix to a niche market rather than taking over? The commericial
>unix makers kept going with propriatory versions rather than versions
>that would play well together. After a, perhaps, convoluted path we
>end up with Windoze as the predominant PC os. I doubt it would ever
>have been more than a stillbirth if unix hadn't fragmented and
>collapsed on itself the way it did (perhaps there would be an M$-like
>AT&T unix that everyone would be fighting against).
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Steve Linberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xmms stuttering (Sony VAIO)
Date: 24 May 2000 14:11:43 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt) writes:
> On 23 May 2000 19:56:37 -0400, Steve Linberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have a Sony VAIO PCG-F490, for which freeware sound drivers are not yet
> >available, running Red Hat 6.1 with the latest Helix-Gnome desktop. I
> >downloaded the commercial opensound drivers to try out, and was able to
> >install them and get .wav files playing through the speakers sounding
> >pretty good.
> >
> >However, when I try to play mp3s with xmms (xmms-1.0.1-2_helix_3), what it
> >does is load the track, scroll the name and so forth in the window, but
> >when I try to play it, it plays about a tenth-of-a-second clip of the
> >audio, stuttering in furious repetition until I click stop.
>
> I have an F450. The secret is to disable PNP in CMOS setup. Then all
> sounds should work great and xmms will play perfectly.
That did it! Woohoo! Thanks!
As an aside: I don't care too much, but are there any adverse consequences
of having PnP off? I do still have a Windoze boot on that machine; any
idea whether it will screw it up?
Thanks for the help!
--
Steve Linberg, Chief Goblin
Silicon Goblin Technologies
http://silicongoblin.com
Be kind. Remember, everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 24 May 2000 14:17:58 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alexander Viro wrote:
>> Kernel _is_ allowed to fork. RTFGPL and for $DEITY sake, get the fuck out
>> of c.o.l.d.system with that off-topic drivel, will you?
>
>No. I am part of this thread to learn and will continue to put forth my
>thoughts, expecting errors to be corrected or encounter mere opinions of
>no more worth than my own, thank you.
You know what Followup-To: is, don't you?
>As for kernel forking...is not linus torvald the ultimate point of
>control
>for what a linux kernel is? A linux kernel is what he ultimately says
>is
>a linux kernel. Others are not linux, by definition. They may be
>compatible
>but they would not be linux.
Again, RTFGPL. And watch the distributions - they routinely patch the tree
they ship. Not to mention RTLinux, etc. As for the code given back to
community - I'ld rather see _no_ Microsoft-produced code, 'cause no matter
what license you put on a pile of crap it remains exactly that - crap.
See NetRape for example - try to read their code and you'll see. Again,
if you put crap under GPL you still get nothing but crap.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: "Al @Work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux On Laptop
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:17:29 -0400
Jonid wrote:
>
> Hi
> I've installed many virsions of linux on my laptop "which is Twinhead p166
> and 16MB RAM" including mandrake, storm winlinux and redhat linux. but all
> these virsions doesnt work on my system and it freezes on first boot after
> the installation, during the following line:
>
> Starting PCMCIA.....
>
> What is wrong is there any problem with virsions and they are not
> compitale with laptops. if this is the problem, which FREE virsion is the
> best for Laptops?
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
You might look at the Laptop HOW-TO for help...
http://www.ssc.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/Laptop-HOWTO.html
Good luck...
Al
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:23:39 -0700
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In this case, I have to agree with you 100%. Part of the justification,
interestingly enough, from MS for the original development of OS/2 was to
deal with this very issue of how the API had grown in sometimes less than
efficient manner (re: downright awkward).
However, legacy issues will be with us forever - case in point: one of the
limiting factors on the size of the solid rocket boosters in the space
shuttle was the (thru a moderate concatenation of history) width of horses
behinds. The reason is that the segments are transported on railcars, which
has to go thru a tunnel cut for the width of the track that was based upon
the historical width in England, that was based upon the width of the wagons
that ran on the roads (and fit the ruts therein) built by the Romans (2000
years ago) who designed it this way based upon the how wide a wagon would
fit behind two horses - hence, the measurement of the width across their
backsides.
--ET--
"fungus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Davorin Mestric wrote:
> >
> > your hate for microsoft makes you blind to the truth.
> > windows api is very stable since win95, not to mention
> > that even going from win16 to win32 was not that bad as
> > you probably think it was.
> >
>
> The design is a big steaming pile of horse-plop though,
> it's 100% old-style 1970's C code, full of #defines
> and all sorts of crap, no namespaces in sight, no regard
> for modularity or for the users. Some of the names
> which are #defined in "windows.h" drive me up the wall
> every time they clash, eg. "min" and "max" - what kind of
> idiot would define something called "min" or "max" in a
> system header file? Then there's "Polygon", as a 3D graphics
> programmer this one really drives my up the wall. Why
> couldn't they have used "gdiPolygon" or something like
> that?
>
> The term "legacy" springs to mind here. The rest of the
> programming world has moved beyond this, yet for many
> people Win32 will be their first programming experience
> and that's the "style" they're gonna copy. Yuk!
>
>
> --
> <\___/>
> / O O \
> \_____/ FTB.
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From: "John P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redhat 6 install problems...
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:27:07 +0100
I've just installed RedHat 6.2 (boxed version) and when it finished
installing, it wouldn't write a boot disk for some reason.. I think because
my floppy drive is actually an LS-120. I'd also selected to load LILO.
When it rebooted I got the "L01 01 01.." problem which I gather happened
because I installed all partitions (including boot) on a secondary drive
(Win98 on the primary) - so I used FDISK /mbr to get the Win98 working
again, but I can't find a way to get into Linux!
I've tried:
- running LOADLN off the RedHat CD
- making a boot floppy from the utilities on the CD (creates disk OK)
- booting directly from the install CD/floppy using "root=/dev/hdh1"
and all these start Linux OK but then drop me straight back into the install
program!? how can I stop this happening - I know it installed OK.
How can I start Linux properly? Am I writing the correct type of boot disk?
I'm off to look on the RedHat site for help!
Cheers
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Windows by Day, Linux by Night
Date: 24 May 2000 14:29:56 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Simone Paddock wrote:
> Sure, a discussion on that topic would have been most interesting.
> (Like over in linux.advocacy indeed sort of happened).
And that happened there and not here because you failed to crosspost.
> But the post also intended to give Linux users a chance at a
> free book - for those times, when they are forced to use Windows.
That is not an appropriate intent for this newsgroup.
[And why do you place new text before quoted material, instead of after the
part(s) that they refer to--which is how it should be done on Usenet.]
>> Was the original posting trying to start a discussion on the topic (of the
>> article, not of spam), or trying to drive traffic to some website (and sell
>> books)? If the latter, look for an .announce newsgroup.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: h8te <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: msie 5 for unix on linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:30:22 GMT
Steve wrote:
> It's defeating the object a bit isn't it? Download the Unix version and
> see if it'll run on your system, you deserve all the trouble you get.
>
> Some people just don't have a clue.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> %HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
>
> web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
>
> or http://start.at/zero-pps
>
> 10:51am up 6 days, 18:55, 2 users, load average: 1.16, 1.13, 1.04
Are you a dick?, why don�t I have a clue, I run BeoS , windows 2000,
win98, and linux on one box.. In my town the only have dial up ISP�s I
don�t want to wait 3 hours to download some thing some one else has all
ready tried, don�t talk to people like your better than them you English
twit, some of you linux junkies relay suck! And most people from England
suck to, not all but most... thanx for your help dildo.
Ps: I don�t like one Os over the other I just like computers and
programming I don�t care about the war between ms people and linux people,
I just want to make things the way I like them
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Scott Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: msie 5 for unix on linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:34:57 -0500
h8te wrote:
>
> i know there is msie 5 for unix, but does any one know if i can use it in
> linux , i dont think im the only one who has found msie 5 for unix on the
> microsoft site, am i? well any way if you know send mail to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, to be honest, I'm not sure. The only way *I* can think of offhand
is MAYBE using iBCS. Not sure what its homepage is, though, but it
allows you to run binaries from some other UNIXes on Linux. It's worth
a shot, I guess. :)
Hope this helps...
--
--Scott Bishop
WALKER BOLT Manufacturing Co.
(Notice: The opinions stated in this message are not necessarily those
of my employer, nor of any other sane individual for that matter.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: compiling error
Date: 24 May 2000 14:41:46 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Karen E. Chancellor wrote:
> I have RedHat 6.2 and have attempted to recompile kernel. I did bzdisk
> and so have booted new kernel from disk. Seems to run ok, but I get a
> ton of 'depmod...unresolved symbols' messages. What does this mean?
> After kernel compile, I did make modules, make modules_install and
> depmod -a.
Did you move aside any old modules (in /lib/modules/SOME_VERSION_NUMBER)
before installing the new ones?
> I am trying to compile the alsa sound drivers. I downloaded the newest
> versions. But make gives me
> make[1] *** sound.o Error 1
> How do I find out what this means?
make(1) runs other programs. This just tells us that probably one of those
other programs failed. You need to figure out which of the preceding
messages diagnoses the error.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: andres lajous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: new kernel...
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:13:26 +0100
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i have been using RH6.1 for a while, and i decided i wanted to update my
kernel and patch it for dvd and usb drivers. patching it and compiling
it went without trouble. the problem was when i restarted my computer
after the lilo prompt it told that there was no signtaure, does anyone
know why? i really want to use usb and dvd can someone help?
thanks
andr�s
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i am an antichrist, i am an anarchist...
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i have been using RH6.1 for a while, and i decided i wanted to update my
kernel and patch it for dvd and usb drivers. patching it and compiling
it went without trouble. the problem was when i restarted my computer after
the lilo prompt it told that there was no signtaure, does anyone know why?
i really want to use usb and dvd can someone help?
<br>thanks
<br>andrés
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: msie 5 for unix on linux
Date: 24 May 2000 18:40:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 24 May 2000 06:30:05 GMT, h8te wrote:
>i know there is msie 5 for unix, but does any one know if i can use it in
>linux , i dont think im the only one who has found msie 5 for unix on the
>microsoft site, am i?
AFAIK, it's for Solaris on Sun machines. MS would never provide
application support to any operating system that competes with
its monopoly. BTW I've tried IE on Solaris: it's even more of
a pig than Netscape.
Bob T.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows by Day, Linux by Night
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:30:30 GMT
Simone Paddock writes:
> But the post also intended to give Linux users a chance at a free book...
So are you prepared to give free copies to all Linux users, or is this just
the old "free book to the first 100 customers!" gimmick? The latter is
just advertising.
> ...for those times, when they are forced to use Windows.]
I am never forced to use Windows. And I don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 24 May 2000 18:51:45 GMT
On 24 May 2000 08:04:01 -0700,
Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CAguy) writes:
> > Well, with billions of dollars now riding on the success of linux...I
> > think it's about time they kicked the kiddies off kernal development,
> > and start using a more professional development process.
>
> Right. And I think we should tell Richard Stallman that unless he and his
> scruffy little band of amateurs get some serious quality processes in place
> by next week, they're all going to be kicked out of the FSF --- replaced by
> MSCE certified sofware engineers in an ISO-9000 certified organization that
> can do the job properly.
Yes, being able to precisely quantify the bugs makes the end result so
much better.
>From the classic fvwm man page:
BUGS
As of fvwm 2.2 there were exactly 46.144 unidentified
bugs. Identified bugs have mostly been fixed, though.
Since then 12.25 bugs have been fixed. Assuming that
there are at least 10 unidentified bugs for every identi�
fied one, that leaves us with 46.144 - 12.25 + 10 * 12.25
= 156.395 unidentified bugs. If we follow this to its
logical conclusion we will have an infinite number of
unidentified bugs before the number of bugs can start to
diminish, at which point the program will be bug-free.
Since this is a computer program infinity = 3.4028e+38 if
you don't insist on double-precision. At the current rate
of bug discovery we should expect to achieve this point in
4.27e+27 years. I guess I better plan on passing this
thing on to my children....
The same numbers probably apply to the kernel.
Who needs ISO9000 when the above seems to work just fine. :)
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