Linux-Misc Digest #644, Volume #24 Mon, 29 May 00 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
DHCP kills kppp - please help ("knud")
Re: which is the best linux distro - please vote (linux consultant)
Re: votes wanted - easiest distro to use (linux consultant)
Re: glibc, libc5, libc6 (Paul Kimoto)
p2c ("Bill")
Re: which is the best linux distro - please vote (linux consultant)
Re: GNOME newsgroups? (linux consultant)
Re: Patching the Kernel? (James Stevenson)
Re: mounting ide-scsi device (Flemming Bjerke)
Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux) (Victor
Wagner)
Re: oldest linux box?
Re: reccommended partitions and sizes (Flemming Bjerke)
Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!! (jbritton)
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From: "knud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: DHCP kills kppp - please help
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:11:21 -0500
Hello,
I have my linux box plugged into the local LAN. The problem is, when I set
the ethernet card to connect via DHCP (as it should), linux no longer
recognizes kppp modem connections. That is to say, kppp connects to my ISP
but my apps wont use the connection even though the Internet at large
isn't visiable from the LAN.
What I'm forced to do is kill the ethernet connection each time I want to
dail out. What can I do to have both connection working at the same time?
Thanks in advance!
knud
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From: linux consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which is the best linux distro - please vote
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:09:56 GMT
Thanyou for your response Andreas.
Andreas Kahari wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> joe 90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [1] Have you used more than one distribution of linux?
> > [ ] Yes (please go to question 2 - 'jedi' )
> > [ ] No (please go to question 5)
> >
> > [2] Which distributions of linux have you used - please list;
> [cut]
>
> [0] What was the purpose of the above "vote"?
>
To measure a number of linux sucess factors:
>
> [1] How many times have you seen the question "Which distro is the best"
> on c.o.l.m?
<!-- start oid="para1"-->
c.o.l.m. being what;
- if your reader was a 'stupid newbie', would the reader (male or female) be
likely to know what c.o.l.m stood for - if you didn't include a description
or working link to the description then bless you not for helping me save my
precious time. <-- end "para 1"-- )
> [2] Why didn't you go for the Linux Distribution HOWTO at
> <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Distribution-HOWTO.html>?
>
> [3] Did you try looking at <URL:http://www.linux.com/> or
> <URL:http://www.linux.org/> for info on the different distributions?
>
> [4] Did you know about comp.os.linux.advocacy?
>
< -- blurb -> para 2-->
yes, but have do not remember the exact 'correctness' required. Obviously I
should become 'more' aware.
< --end blurb-->
< --finally-->
Oh and yes, I did read the distribution how to, in depth, and repeatedly,
hence question 5.......
[5] What would be the 5 things you would change about linux if you owned
a big time linux distribution company?
Please list in order of most importance, 1=most important, 5=least
important
peace...
>
> /A
>
> --
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From: linux consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: votes wanted - easiest distro to use
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:13:08 GMT
thanks for your response
"J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" wrote:
> [F'up set]
>
Could you read the responses posted after yours - by more 'experienced users'
>
> joe 90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[5] What would be the 5 things you would change about linux if you owned
> > a big time linux distribution company?
>
> [6] Why do people seem to think one needs a big company to produce a good
> Linux distribution?
> --
> Ray Dassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: glibc, libc5, libc6
Date: 29 May 2000 18:21:21 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eddy Young wrote:
> Can anyone explain the differences, or point to a useful URL?
These are two (because "glibc" or "glibc2" is known as "libc6" on Linux)
different implementations of the C library. libc5 is obsolete.
http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/software/libc/libc.html
http://sourceware.cygnus.com/glibc/
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: p2c
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:57:07 -0500
How does one use p2c to compile pascal code?
Thanks
Please e-mail@
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: linux consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which is the best linux distro - please vote
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:19:03 GMT
Koos Pol wrote:
> On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:04:09 GMT, Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> | joe 90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > [1] Have you used more than one distribution of linux?
> | > [ ] Yes (please go to question 2 - 'jedi' )
> | > [ ] No (please go to question 5)
> | >
> | > [2] Which distributions of linux have you used - please list;
> | [cut]
> |
> | [0] What was the purpose of the above "vote"?
> |
> | [1] How many times have you seen the question "Which distro is the best"
> | on c.o.l.m?
> |
> | [2] Why didn't you go for the Linux Distribution HOWTO at
> | <URL:http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Distribution-HOWTO.html>?
> |
> | [3] Did you try looking at <URL:http://www.linux.com/> or
> | <URL:http://www.linux.org/> for info on the different distributions?
> |
> | [4] Did you know about comp.os.linux.advocacy?
> |
>
> I am afraid your pointers are invain.
If you read my response to his message, you will find that I have already read
the distribution how to and although I did not indicate it previously, am a
regular at both linuxhq.com, kernelnotes.org, linuxdoc.org and linux.com.
> If the original poster is neglecting
> all that info which has been given him for free -he only needs to look it up-
> I'll doubt that he'll be reading your news post. I expect him to be fixated
> at hist 17", waiting for the inbox to say "You have new mail" and expecting
> to see at least 67 enthousiasts voting for the favorit distribution...
>
I was not hopeful - for responses to this post, but a silent confidence felt that
at least one long term user who I did not know would provide his 'wise
experience' - I did read early in my tutorship that lessons learnt can be shared
to benefit.
Peace
> Koos Pol
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> S.C. Pol - Systems Administrator - Compuware Europe B.V. - Amsterdam
> T:+31 20 3116122 F:+31 20 3116200 E:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Check my email address when you hit "Reply".
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From: linux consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME newsgroups?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:20:05 GMT
If you go to RedHat.com and look carefully you should find pointers to the
info you are looking for.
MH wrote:
> Anyone know of any GNOME newsgroups? I found a German group, apparently
> inactive, but that was it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Patching the Kernel?
Date: 29 May 2000 22:39:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
you will need to download all the patches if you want to find
out how to patch the kernel read the man page patch
it would go something like this
cd linux-2.0.30
zcat patch-2.0.31.gz |patch -p1
cd ..
mv linux-2.0.30 linux-2.0.31
howp this helps
cya
James
On Mon, 29 May 2000 14:59:50 -0400, Nelson and Satasha Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm kinda a Linux newbie, who has never done anything with the kernel.
>I just reinstalled my Redhat 5.2 (apollo), and I'd like to patch the my
>kernel with the patches at LINUXHQ. My question is, are kernel patches
>similar to OS/2 fixpacks? What I mean is, does a later patch contain
>the all previous fixes? For example, does patch 2.0.38 have everything
>2.0.30 has, plus additional fixes?
>I'd just like to know before I download 38 patches.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Nelson
>
>User of OS/2 Warp 4, BeOS 5, Virus95 (for games), and hopefully Linux
>again.
>
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From: Flemming Bjerke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mounting ide-scsi device
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:02:05 GMT
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John wrote:
> I am trying to mount my ide CD-RW. X-Roast is able to use it through
> mkisofs and cdrecord. When I type mount /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom it gives
> me the kernel does not recognize /dev/scd0 as a block device (maybe
> 'insmod driver'?)
>
> I have scsi emulation support enabled under block devices in kernel
> configuation and ide/atapi cdrom support disable (this is for X-Roast)
>
> Under Scsi support I have enabled :
> SCSI support, SCSI disk, SCSI CD-ROM support, vendor-specific
> extensions, SCSI generic support.
>
> Under filesystems I have sio 9660 support as a module.
>
> There was another method I tried and got wrong major or minor number
>
> How do i mount my CD-RW.
>
> Thank you
I am about solve similar problems, but I suceeded mounting a CD in the
CD-RW, after having insmod the module for my SCSI controller. This is
quite easy: You find the module in: /lib/modules/2.214-5.0/scsi/
(depending on Your kernel no.). If there is a module corresponding to
Your SCSI controller, You can just
insmod <your controller module>
Then You can mount Your CD-RW, if it is one which is supported by Linux.
But, You have to do this each time You boot. I don't know if You have
tried this. It must be a way finding out whether You can mount Your
CD-RW. I have not yet tried to integrate this module in functioning of
the kernel, but if You can do it by insmod, it should be possible to
integrate it in the kernel functioning. Alternatively, it You can make a
small script with insmod and make a call when booting (not very elegant).
Flemming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
Date: 29 May 2000 08:57:06 +0400
In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner) writes:
:> Reasonable?! Internal modem is next worst thing to winmodem.
: But on the plus side, they don't require the purchase of a separate
: serial card for high-speed communication. And they don't take up more
: space, need a serial cable, or another power line.
Never needed one. Build-in serial ports on modern motherboards are
usiall good enough.
: Dunno. It's never happened to me. I can't imagine it's because our
: phone lines are better, because they're so bad that it's easier to
: replace them than fix them. Maybe our modems are better-designed?
I think that modems are same all over the world, but you've probably
never happened to depend on telephone switch station, which was build in
early 50's.
: Problem is, serial ports are almost as overused as parallel ports. I
: can think of five devices off the top of my head - still being made,
: by the way - that require a serial port. Hopefully these problems
: will be solved by USB, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yes. I'm already thinking of getting multiport card. If I give up my
6-year old serial mouse, I would be able to go without, but I'm afraid
that modern PS/2 mouse woundn't work for more than couple of years.
:> Only thing that I don't like about external modem is that they require
:> something other than 5V DC or 12V DC. (typically 12V AC). If they need
:> some voltage, which I could get from the main power supply of machine,
:> I'd be able to get rid of those power supply units.
: You mean the transformers? Granted, they are annoying, but - over
: here, at least - there's no 5/12VDC power jack on the outside of our
: computers. So we wouldn't have anyplace to plug the modem in.
But you have various connectors inside case - for hard disks and so on.
Have ever seen how indicators on front panel or 486's coolers are
connected to them? Solder a long cable to such a device (female and
male connectors connected with 5cm of cable) and you only need to find a
hole in case to lead this cable outside.
Once I've used a hole for AT keyboard connector, and cables which
powered my Zip drive and scanner happily coexisted with keyboard itself.
: [drivers etc]
Photographing a volcano is just about the most miserable thing you can do.
-- Robert B. Goodman
[Who has clearly never tried to use a PDP-10. Ed.]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: oldest linux box?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:58:43 +0700
I keep on running TAVON 80386sx/25 Mhz since August 1995 with kernel
1.2.8 and still running well until today.
My friend run 80386sx at longer time than me in Thailand.
The oldest Thai linux was run at nuntana.animal.uiuc.edu
around 1991 to 1995 but that machine was gone.
Regards,
supat
=CA=D8=BE=D1=B5=C3=EC =BF=E9=D2=C3=D8=E8=A7=CA=D2=A7 (supat faarungsang) =
Kasetsart Univ., Nakorn Pathom,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sss.agri.kps.ku.ac.th/
office: (034)351892 home: (034)351843 fax: (02)5791120
mobile: (01)4127930 lab:(034)281053-6 ext 3434
voicechat: http://supat.dhs.org/ttt.html or http://go.to/supat
=A4=C7=D2=C1=B4=D5=A4=B9=E0=C3=D2=B9=D5=E8=B4=D5=E3=B4 =B4=D5=B9=D3=E9=E3=
=A8 =B7=D5=E8=E3=CB=E9=E1=A1=E8=A4=B9=B7=D1=E9=A7=BB=C7=A7 =
:)
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Pjtg0707 wrote:
> On 25 May 2000 12:34:59 -0500, John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr=
ote:
> >Jeff Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >:> Just curious, what's the oldest linux box that folks have these days=
?
> >
> >: I've got a 486sx25 that gets occasional use and a P75 that was a web s=
erver
> >: on a cable modem, serving around 5-8k of hits a day until I moved in O=
ctober.
> >
> >I'll lay good money that there are dozens (probably hundreds, maybe thou=
sands)
> >of 386sx16's out there still being used as simple terminals and/oor serv=
ers.
> >
> >(Just trying to keep there from being dozens (if not hundreds or thousan=
ds)
> >of followups from peeps who think 486/P5's etc are old -- no offence Je=
ff :-)
> >
> >john "just recently retired a 386sx25 / kernel 1.2 notebook" g
>=20
> I have a AMD 386/40 running apache with kernel 1.2.13 that serves up all =
my
> documentations and my cgi scripts on my lan; it won't retire anytime soon=
=2E
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From: Flemming Bjerke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: reccommended partitions and sizes
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:29:00 GMT
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"Steven Thurgood (1X0S)" wrote:
> I am at somepoint in the near future planning a fairly hefty overhaul
> of my linux system, and was planning on propperly partitioning things.
> currentlyeverything is banged in one large partition, which is probably
> not the best way to go.
> So recomendations:- what partitions do you think I should make (one for
> /tmp, /usr, /home?) and what sort of sizes?
> This is for a home pc, with maybe 2/3 users, for doing a variety of
> things; programming, graphics, music, office stuff. I'll want Xwindow
> and every app I use seems to need some riduculous amount of librarys
> I've never heard of, so lots of space required there.
>
> Also, a response to a previous query of mine said that I need some space
> free in order for some apps (in this case xfs) to run; where should this
> space be at?
>
> Finaly- I may be upgrading my hardware, specifically I need a lot more
> harddisk space (dont you always :), as my 5 gigs is pretty full ('bout 3
> gigs windows stuff, 1 gig linux, 1 gig files and misclellaneous bits and
> bobs). Is one giagantic harddisk (about 20 gig) best, or is several
> smaller ones better? (i would presume the smaller ones give better
> performance as they can be accessed in parralell, but I'm not too well
> versed in this area, and they would take up more wires and stuff).
> What about RAID? how does that work (sortof..not very well worded - i
> mean at a basic high level), and is it vaguely related to my situation,
> or is it more for folks running massive databases who need terrabytes of
> data stored?
>
> Cheers.
> -Steve
>
> --
> -----------------------------
> .Triggle
I have one basic consideration: safety of data files. This means that there
must be a partition for /home, since all datefiles are there (should be).
Then You can re-install everything and just tell Your distribution that
/home is on that partition. Furthermore, You should have another partition
(preferable on another HD) to which crontab backup Your datafiles every day
(using tar). You might even make safety copies two times a week too. Else,
You can have some extra partitions that You can mount some relevant place
in the filetree if necessary. The rest: I havn't found any good
explanations for placing different parts of the system on different
partitions. But, perhaps in case of re-installation, You can save some
installation work by having /usr on its own partition. The problem is that
it is difficult to know exactly how large the different partitions should
be. How many MB datafiles will 3 users have in two years??? One big
partition (except /home) avoids that some part of Your system runs out
diskspace. I have three Linux partitions: /, /home, /mnt/hdc1 (this one is
for backups).
Flemming
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From: jbritton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.certification.cisco,alt.certification.mcse,alt.certification.network-plus,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!!
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:22:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Andrew Dacey wrote:
> "A. G." wrote:
> >
> > If I had $20,000 I wouldn't need to take any test.
> <snip>
>
> Advantages:
>
> 1, after 30 days the course is done (and the knowledge is already
> fading). But with the home lab, you can keep using it for as long as you need.
>
> 2. Racks of glowing lights are just way cooler.
>
> 3. With that much gear you could probably use it to heat your home.
>
> 4. Envy of every geek in the city.
>
> 5. After finishing your cert exams you have a couple of options. You can
> sell the stuff off and get back most/all of the money you put in on
> gear. Or, you could use the gear to run an ISP out of your basement.
>
> Frugal
Hell what if the company you work for has a huge CCIE lab and you use it any time
you wanted to.
For $20,000 hmmm
1. New Truck
2. Kegs and Kegs and Kegs of real Beer
3. PARTYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4. Lawyers cause im bound to end up in jail with all that beer ;-)
5. fines and court costs
$20,000 should cover that ???
--
Jon
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Andrew Dacey wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"A. G." wrote:
<br>>
<br>> If I had $20,000 I wouldn't need to take any test.
<br><snip>
<p>Advantages:
<p>1, after 30 days the course is done (and the knowledge is already
<br>fading). But with the home lab, you can keep using it for as long as
you need.
<p>2. Racks of glowing lights are just way cooler.
<p>3. With that much gear you could probably use it to heat your home.
<p>4. Envy of every geek in the city.
<p>5. After finishing your cert exams you have a couple of options. You
can
<br>sell the stuff off and get back most/all of the money you put in on
<br>gear. Or, you could use the gear to run an ISP out of your basement.
<p>Frugal</blockquote>
Hell what if the company you work for has a huge CCIE lab and you
use it any time you wanted to.
<p>For $20,000 hmmm
<p>1. New Truck
<br>2. Kegs and Kegs and Kegs of real Beer
<br>3. PARTYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<br>4. Lawyers cause im bound to end up in jail with all that beer ;-)
<br>5. fines and court costs
<p>$20,000 should cover that ???
<pre>--
Jon
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