Linux-Misc Digest #708, Volume #24 Sun, 4 Jun 00 11:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Strange problem with CVS (David Steuber)
Re: DSL under linux: No Joy :-< (Robert Heller)
Re: Installing Caldera 2.4 (Chez Smith)
Re: ISDN + Linux = HiSax ???? (Michal Safranek)
Re: (*****Linux Startup Error******) ("Marc Schlensog")
RealPlayer 7: Cannot open the audio device... (Ties Verkuil)
Re: (**********S.O.S.***********) ("David ..")
KA7 Linux Lockups (F. Heitkamp)
What does "Unix-like" mean? ("Andrew E. Schulman")
Re: What does "Unix-like" mean? (Rod Smith)
What distribution is most popular? ("jmt")
Re: Caldera 2.4, Netscape Broke. Any ideas? ("Jon McLin")
Re: What distribution is most popular? (Andreas Kahari)
Re: Can't use HTML mail with netscape (John Thompson)
Re: Need way to kill KDE (John Thompson)
Re: Zip for Linux (John Thompson)
Re: Freewwweb slow ? (mst)
Re: Caldera 2.4, Netscape Broke. Any ideas? ("Jon McLin")
Re: Can't create multisession with cdrecord and hp writer? (Stephen Rasku)
Re: What distribution is most popular? (Bit Twister)
Re: windows95 DUN/linux samba/tcp problems? (pastorJohn)
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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde
Subject: Strange problem with CVS
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:59:58 GMT
I have a two machine lan at home, both running SuSE 6.2. The lan
configuration looks like this:
{ 10bt ethernet } { 100bt ethernet }
DSL-Modem<-------->eth1 eth0<----------->Hub<------>eth0
| | /
Dual NIC Host Laptop Computer
with IP forwarding PCMCIA NIC
and ipchains with MASQ
There is no difficulty accessing mail, sending mail, using FTP,
Netscape, etc from the laptop computer.
There is a problem with CVS. A very strange problem. When I try to
access the anoncvs.kde.org CVS server from the dual NIC machine, I can
updage my KDE sources just fine ( apparently ). When I try to do the
same from the laptop, things start out ok and then the process
stalls. When I do a netstat --tcp, it shows the connection as
ESTABLISHED. I've run tcpdump on the dual nic machine to monitor what
goes over ppp0 ( My ISP uses PPPoE ) and I can watch the traffic. It
looks the same when CVS runs on either machine. The last thing I ever
see going over the wire from a CVS update on the laptop is an ack to
the CVS server.
At first, I thought there was a problem with the anoncvs.kde.org
server. This does not seem to be the case. My ISP has rather spotty
service and will randomly drop my connection which causes my Roaring
Penguin PPPoE client to reconnect and give me a different IP. This
has disrupted downloads but does not seem to be responsible for my
problem.
I have got the MTUs on my network set correctly as far as I can tell.
I get very good throughput when using FTP or HTTP from the laptop
computer.
This leaves me completely baffled. Does anyone have any clue as to
what the problem may be and how I can fix it? Is there any more
information I should provide?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DSL under linux: No Joy :-<
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:02:28 GMT
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:25:44 GMT, wrote :
JH> Paul Lew wrote:
JH> > PPPOE is the money making way (for the ISP) in providing DSL as it requires
JH> > signing in;
JH>
JH> How does that make them money?
It allows them to collect accounting information (when you login and
when you logout). They then charge by the number of hours & minutes you
are logged in. With a straight dhcp (pure Ethernet Tcp/Ip), they don't
know *who* logged in, since the dhcp server does not provide for
'logins' and 'logouts' -- they *could* try to bill by the Tcp/Ip
connection, but might run afoul of the local utilities commission -- it
would be like the phone co. charging by how long your phone was
connected to its phone jack, rather than how long you were actually on
the phone talking. With the login hack, they have *some* grounds to
stand on, since the login/logout can be argued as being a specific 'act'
on the part of the consumer (like dialing a number on the phone). It
probably makes more sense in a MS-Windows or MacOS context rather than a
UNIX on (UNIX/Linux people would bury the 'login/logout' games somewhere
in scripts living in /etc/rc.d/init.d/).
JH>
JH> --
JH> John Hasler
JH> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
JH> Dancing Horse Hill
JH> Elmwood, WI
JH>
--
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From: Chez Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.question
Subject: Re: Installing Caldera 2.4
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:11:07 GMT
Get linux boot disk and reinstall lilo onto hda MBR
to make lilo install onto MBR make sure the install=hda is in
/etc/lilo.conf
then boot linux and type info lilo to see how to get it to boot OS/2 and
windows.
Martin Racette wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> I'm having a weird problem, when I try to Install Linux Caldera 2.4,
> the installation goes all the to the end without any problem, I can
> even use it the first time, but there it stop
>
> When I try to boot Linux again I get an error that says something like
> "The Partition is not formatted", when I boot with the floppy I can
> see everything on the partition but I can't use anything, and not even
> boot Linux
>
> My set-up is :
>
> DISK 1
> Bootmanager (OS/2 WARP, Windows, Linux)
> OS/2 Warp 4
> Windows
> D:, E:, F:, G: (Which are for OS/2 only, HPFS)
>
> DISK 2
> LINUX
> LINUX SWAP
> H: (HPFS)
> I: (FAT16)
> J: (HPFS)
> K: (HPFS)
>
> DISK 3 (ZIP Drive)
>
> All my HDD and the ZIP Drive are SCSI
>
> Any help would be appreciated
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> Merci a l'avance
> Martin
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up,cz.comp.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michal Safranek)
Subject: Re: ISDN + Linux = HiSax ????
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:14:36 GMT
>modprox hisax type=163 io=120 irq=12
>first I didn't know what I had to put at TYPE= , but I tried some things,
>and becoz I have a Teles Bri 16.3(sux) adapter, I tried:
>"Teles"
>"ISA"
>"16.3"
>"163" --> that worked......
eh? i'm pretty sure that the '163' is wrong ...
>But what's next? I tried using Kisdn, but when I press the connect button,
>it doesn't connect!
>Does anybody recommend a ISDN linux program? I use RedHat....
I'm using hand-edited config files ... but that isn't the right choice for you,
is it?
Wejn
--
Name : Michal Safranek <wayne(at)mail.muni.cz>
Descr: jhrnet.cz admin, fi.muni.cz student, linuxfan, human being
Motto: Linux is an operating system. Windows is a Nintendo with keyboard.
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (*****Linux Startup Error******)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:09:25 +0200
N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> i log into Linux as either my user name or as 'root', ok then when i type
> in 'StartX' to go into Linux (Corel Deluxe) i get this error:
>
> Config Error: /root/xf86Config: 311
> Vertfresh (null)
> ^^^^^
You edit /root/XF86Config, go to line 311 and insert
a vertical refresh number. (Like 60-150 for 60Hz up to 150Hz)
> Vertical Refresh Value Expected
> X Convert to :0x0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
>
> ok what does that mean and WHAT CAN I DO, or where can i read to change,
> or fix it so i can get into Linux......Please Answere at my e-mail would
> nice.
>
> Frustrated Note: i have had this software for 2 WEEKS and have YET TO GET
> INTO THE PROGRAM.......EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED....Thanks.
Don�t shout, willya?
>
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ties Verkuil)
Subject: RealPlayer 7: Cannot open the audio device...
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:30:30 GMT
Hi All,
I have installed rp7.linux20.libc.i386.b2.rpm on Red Hat 6.0 and 6.1.
When I start RealPlayer, I get in both causes the error message:
Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it.
My soundcard is a Sound Blaster PCI 64 (ES 1371).
Which is working fine with XMMS etc.
Does anyone knows a solution for this problem?
Thanks in advance,
Ties Verkuil.
E-mail adress: Replace home with hotmail.
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (**********S.O.S.***********)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 08:26:59 -0500
N/A wrote:
>
> Config Error: /root/xf86Config: 311
> Vertfresh (null)
> ^^^^^
> Vertical Refresh Value Expected
> X Convert to :0x0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
>
> desribes the error when i log into Corel linux as root or my
> username........... how can i change this or any info is helpful.....luvya
> thanks.
The vertical refresh rate can be changed in the /etc/X11/XF86Config
file.
--
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
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Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (F. Heitkamp)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:59:07
Subject: KA7 Linux Lockups
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have WinNT, OS/2, Linux installed on a KA7.
My hardware is:
650 MHZ Processor.
Matrox Millenium II PCI.
Crystalizer Tidalwave ISA soundcard.
LSI (symbios) 53C875 narrow card.
LSI (symbios) 53C875 wide card.
3com C900 network card.
Hollywood DVD card.
Micron PC 133 128 MB RAM.
I've only noticed the system locking up when
using Linux and only when the system activity
is moderate to high. If the system is pretty
much quiescent it seems to stay up. To be fair
to Linux I haven't used OS/2 or WinNT under a
similar load. i.e. surfing the net, compiling
programs etc. all at the same time. I have
tried set the BIOS with as conservative settings
as possible, but so far that hasn't helped.
I have tried both 2.2.14 and 2.3.99 pre9 kernels
with no difference as well as X and no X. I'm
looking for any suggestions that may help find
the problem; both hardware and software.
Fred
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From: "Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What does "Unix-like" mean?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:18:26 -0400
Why is Linux often referred to as a "Unix-like" operating system, as
opposed to just a flavor of Unix? Is this some silly copyright problem?
As a user, I find Linux to be a flavor of Unix, no more or less.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: What does "Unix-like" mean?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:29:29 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Andrew E. Schulman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why is Linux often referred to as a "Unix-like" operating system, as
> opposed to just a flavor of Unix? Is this some silly copyright problem?
Not copyright, but trademark. "Unix" is a trademarked name, and Linux
cannot be called "Unix" without paying fees for the right. AFAIK, to
date no Linux vendor has paid those fees. (There may also be testing
requirements or the like; I'm not positive about that.) Even if one
Linux vendor decided to certify its distribution as "Unix," that
certification probably wouldn't apply to the others.
There's also the issue of history. Linux doesn't share source code with
Unix, and wasn't derived from the same source code with changes (as, for
instance, the free BSDs developed).
> As a user, I find Linux to be a flavor of Unix, no more or less.
Thinking of it this way won't lead you far astray as an end user. If you
dig into kernel programming, though, you'll find differences. If you
refer to Linux as Unix without qualification, you could end up confusing
people or appearing ignorant, depending upon your audience.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: "jmt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: What distribution is most popular?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:38:25 GMT
I was just curious on which Linux distribution is the most popular that is
run by most users.
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: "Jon McLin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caldera 2.4, Netscape Broke. Any ideas?
Date: 4 Jun 2000 14:50:49 GMT
Thanks.
Only my regular user account has a left-over .netscape directory. Caldera
2.4 formats the /, /var, and /usr partitions. So the .netscape directory
in /root can only be from 4.72. Yet it exhibits the same problem.
I spent *a lot* of time trying to determine if there was some pattern to
when it would work, and when it would fail, with no success. In
approximately 30 trials, I've successfully connected to the POP server 3
times. There have been no equivalent problems in connecting to the news
server or http servers.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: What distribution is most popular?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Kahari)
Date: 4 Jun 2000 16:46:44 +0100
In article <BRt_4.3648$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jmt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was just curious on which Linux distribution is the most popular that is
>run by most users.
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff
>
>
>
I think Red Hat claims it's the most popular distribution. (Or was
that the most sold distribution? There's a slight difference...)
Slashdot ran a poll some time ago asking this question and got 81901
answers. S.u.S.E got 42%, Debian got 28% and Red Hat got 10%.
Slashdot has run similar polls before. See
<URL:http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl> for all polls.
/A
--
# Andreas K�h�ri, <URL:http://hello.to/andkaha/>.
# All junk e-mail is reported to the
# appropriate authorities, no exceptions.
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't use HTML mail with netscape
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:20:51 -0500
Wayne Sweet wrote:
> For Linux to "grow up" and go beyond a yahoo's play thing as a desktop OS, it
> must compete with other desktop OS's. With DSL becoming less expensive, the
> argument of long download time of html email will become moot.
Your argument assumes that the limiting factor is the connection
between your machine and the internet in general. If people
insist on adding superfluous fluff to the information they
transfer through the internet then the bottleneck could become
the available bandwidth on the internet itself. It is not likely
that an improvement in that bandwidth will be as easy or
inexpensive as the simple change from dial-up access to DSL. The
situation is quite analogous to the conservation of natural
resources in the physical environment. For many years people
assumed that the natural environment could be used as an endless
sink for their waste stream. Now we are left to deal with the
consequences of that irresponsible behavior. We should know
better now, I'd think. Just because you can add a pretty paisley
background and interesting sound effects to your emails doesn't
make it an especially good idea for general useage.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need way to kill KDE
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:25:58 -0500
Richard and Wendy Scott wrote:
> I am using Mandrake 7.0 and am a newbie.
> I need to run an app from the command line without X-Windows and KDE.
> I tried to run the app from the console but it says X-Windows can't be
> running.
> I have tried to log out and back in but there is no option when logging
> in.
> I also want to keep the graphical login with KDE starting automatically
> because
> my whole family uses it.
Press CTRL-ALT-F1 and you will be at a full-screen, text login
prompt. Log in, launch your app, and then press CTRL-ALT-F7 to
return to the X session. If you like (and it is a good security
measure if other people use the machine), put the app in a
background session and log out before returning to X.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zip for Linux
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:40:03 -0500
Bev wrote:
>
> brian moore wrote:
> >
> > It is foolish to install proprietary software when free and Free
> > alternatives exist.
> I'm amazed that it costs that much. We bought a legit copy just because
> we'd been using the program under DOS (maybe even cp/m, but that was a LONG
> time ago) for a long time and thought that the right thing to do was send
> them some money.
Pkzip came out for DOS in 1989, well after CP/M had lost it's
position as the OS of choice. I've seen and used a 1990 CP/M
port of "unzip" but apparently "zip" proved difficult to
implement in CP/M because of the 64k memory restriction. In any
case, InfoZip's freeware implementation of zip has been around
virtually as long as pkzip and has always been available in a DOS
version. The zip format itself came into being as a result of
the terrible "Arc Wars" that pitted SEA against PKware over
alleged infringments on SEA's source code. Phil Katz released
the zip file format into the public domain in the hope of
avoiding such unpleasantness in the future. In retrospect, it
would seem that SEA cut off it's nose despite it's face on this
issue.
> Doesn't gzip come with most distributions?
Gzip does come with linux, but it is a very different animal than
zip. Gzip is in the tradition of Unix programs; it compresses,
but does not archive. Archiving is the provence of an archive
utility, eg tar or whatever. Zip, OTOH, does archiving and
compression in one fell swoop. Although gzip uses the same
compression algorithm as zip, the file structure is very
different as gzip files have no need for a directory of contents
and such.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Freewwweb slow ?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:51:56 -0400
fred smith wrote:
> (..)
> As for what do we want for free, well, to the person who added that
> comment to the discussion you've got a point, but OTOH if it's not
> usable there's no point in having it at all. Apparently in some regions
> it IS usable, but my experience in the Boston area is that it isn't.
> My query to support about their system performance didn't elicit any'
> *useful* answer and last time I tried it (week or two) it was still
> unusable.
>
It is quite usable in NYC - however, every once in a while there are
"pauses" of 1-2 minutes during which nothing goes through. And after
about 3h, it freezes and doesn't come back, but I suspect this has more
to do with my hardware, since it only occurs when I connect from my
laptop (the distro for both the desktop and laptop is Slackware 7.0 with
exactly the same settings).
MST
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From: "Jon McLin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caldera 2.4, Netscape Broke. Any ideas?
Date: 4 Jun 2000 15:02:10 GMT
Update:
Caldera's website is back up today (appeared to be down all day yesterday).
Their FAQ describes this problem with Navigator 4.72, and the offered
workaround is to use 4.7
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Rasku)
Subject: Re: Can't create multisession with cdrecord and hp writer?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:01:42 GMT
On Wed, 31 May 2000 18:23:21 +0300, Tuomas Launiainen wrote:
>I recently configured my HP CD-Writer Plus 8210i to burn in Linux. For
>some reason I can't write multisession, though. Why?
>
>cdrecord -vv -pad speed=4 dev=0,0,0 /mnt/cdr/img.iso
>
>Prints out:
.
.
.
>
>and the burning is succesful.
>
>However, when trying to create multisession as follows:
>cdrecord -vv -pad speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -multi /mnt/cdr/img.iso
>It prints:
>
.
.
.
>
>and nothing is recorded.
>
>Why? Has anyone had similar problems? What can I do?
I think you need to use the -data option for the HP drive.
--
...Stephen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: What distribution is most popular?
Reply-To: This_news_group
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:05:24 GMT
You could get a feel for the number from
http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.html
On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:38:25 GMT, jmt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was just curious on which Linux distribution is the most popular that is
>run by most users.
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From: j*[EMAIL PROTECTED] (pastorJohn)
Subject: Re: windows95 DUN/linux samba/tcp problems?
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:09:59 GMT
You missed the not-quite-blindingly-but-still-quite-glaringly
obvious...
The IP you give your WIN box for the internal network will be defined
under the TCP/IP settings for your ethernet card. The IP that your
ISP will give dynamically will be in the TCP/IP settings that are
bound to your modem. In your Start->Settings->Control Panel->Network
dialog you will have a listing of Adapters and their protocols. Each
adapter (Dialup, Ethernet card) will get its own protocol bound to it.
You should not get any errors.
If you want to get your Linux box to access the Internet, you will
need firewall software on your WIN box such as Proxy Plus. Then set
up your linux software for firewall access.
Good luck.
pastorJohn
John Kiehn
email in header is bogus, please reply here.
On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:56:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Smart)
wrote:
>At this stage I'm not asking for solutions to this, just to know if
>there is a potential problem here...........
>
>I have 2 boxes, one running Win95 and one running RH linux. I'd like
>to think about networking them together, with the RH box as a file
>server. I understand that I will need Samba to allow the boxes to
>communicate, and that they will use TCP/IP to do it. My plan would
>therefore be to use the 192.168.1.xxx scheme for use on internal
>networks as each machine will need a fixed IP address.
>
>However my win95 machine has an attached modem and is given a dynamic
>IP address by the server when I call my ISP. It seems to me that there
>will be a problem here with the fixed IP it will need to network with
>the linux machine and this Dyn IP when it needs to dial out.
>
>Is this problem surmountable, or am I trying to solve a problem that
>isn't really there? If I've missed the blindingly obvious, please
>don't hesitate to tell me :)
>Andy Smart
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (my 'spam collection' account)
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