Linux-Misc Digest #206, Volume #25 Sat, 22 Jul 00 16:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (Karel Jansens)
Re: new to linux (Karel Jansens)
Re: [Samba] Shared dirs problem (sideband)
Re: mount hangs - cdrom and floppy (Mike)
Re: StarOffice =?iso-8859-1?Q?doesn=B4t?= show vfat partition
(=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Luis Domingo =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F3pez?=)
Re: Best Linux distribution for newbie (Edward R Hartung)
kab2 (Daniel)
Re: Threads and processes in Linux pique newbie (Dances With Crows)
Re: kernel problem (Dances With Crows)
Re: Networking/Ethernet help, can't ping neighbooring PC (Brent Burton)
Re: Gateway solo & Linux? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Linux ELF binaries under M$ (Michael Kelly)
Re: Linux & free ISPs
How do I get numbers from /dev/random? (Geoffrey Steeves)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (Michael Kelly)
Re: How do I get numbers from /dev/random? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Remove Apache from RedHat? (brucemohler)
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:52:34 +0200
From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Kelly and Sandy wrote:
[snip]
> There's EPOC32 Nice. Is this only for handhelds?
EPOC does not yet run on Intel hardware, AKAIK. It does run rings around
Intel boxes on ARM or StrongARM CPUs. SYMBIAN and PSION are very much
into the mobile market, and sofar no version of EPOC has been released
for desktop computers. PSION have, however, released the so-called
"Series 7" sub-notebook, which is like a Series 5 on steroids (larger
form-factor, colour screen, more memory, more expansion slots, more
overall fun).
If I were to be a first-time computer buyer, I would seriously consider
a Series 7, especially since my mobility demands are rather high: the
Series 7 is AFAIK the only notebook that will run for 10 to 20 hours
continuously on one battery charge. And it's extremely quiet (no hard
drives churning, no fans blowing).
It also reasonably cheap for what you get.
--
Karel Jansens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:23:30 +0200
From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new to linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> i'm very new to linux-mandrake and so far i liked it a lot but i'm facing
> a problem... i installed it and played with it, but my problem was when i
> had to restart my computer. when the computer restarted i did not have the
> graphical user interphase anymore, but the console. Can somebody tell me
> how to switch to GUI since i'm very new to Linux-Mandrake.
>
> thank you..!!
>
Assuming you logged in with your username and password (the console
bottom line should say something like
(your_user_name)@localhost (your_home_directory)$
just type "startx" (without the quotes), hit <ENTER> and you'll be on
your GUI way.
Alternatively, at the lilo boot: prompt (this is when your machine
starts up), type "linux 5" (again, lose the quotes), which will bring
you to a graphical login screen and subsequently (assuming you logged in
correctly, of course) directly to an X session.
There is a way to make lilo boot auomatically into graphical mode every
time, but personally I wouldn't advise this: there is always the risk
you FUBAR your X configuration and it's nice to know that you'll have a
console only a Vulcan nerve pinch away.
Incidentally, why did you *have* to restart your computer? I usually
only do that when I *want* to <G>.
--
Karel Jansens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: sideband <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: [Samba] Shared dirs problem
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:48:08 -0400
How big are the "few files" in question?
I've never had Samba hang on me... Of course, the largest file I've ever
shared off a Samba box was about 25 megs...
Well, I take that back... I've had Samba hang on me once.. but the reason
was that the drive that I'd mounted /home on had decided to thow 3 heads all
at the same time, and, well, there wasn't a filesystem to share... It hung
my Win95 box... But that was a few years ago.. It's possible that you're
having a similar problem. Is there anything in the logs about drive
interupts both before and after the other logmessage you reported?
Not really a whole lot to go on in your message... and Samba isn't the
easiest to diagnose.....
-SSB
Jos� Mar�a L�pez Lagunas wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> We're having some strange problems with our samba server. It's running
> on an Alphaserver 1200 with Red Hat Linux 6.1, kernel 2.2.13 and samba
> 2.0.7-4.
>
> The troubles we have are with some shared files. In a Windows 95/98
> system we try to read or write some files to the shared folder but the
> program hangs (the Windoze one, not Linux's of course). The only thing
> that happens on the server side is the great amount of log info that is
> generated. It can be seen a lot of such messages:
>
> [2000/07/20 11:58:04, 3] smbd/oplock.c: request_oplock_break (1140)
> request_oplock_break: sending a oplock break message to pid (8328) on
> port 1494 for dev = 802, inode = 345447, tv_sec = 3976c2f2, tv_usec =
> 875f7
>
> The funny thing about this is that happens only with a few files, and
> are always the same ones. We've been looking for docs, faqs, everything,
> but we've not yet discovered what is happening.
>
> I hope someone can help us. Thank you in advance.
>
> --
> Jos� Mar�a L�pez Lagunas, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Servicio de Organizaci�n T�cnica de Gesti�n e Inform�tica
> Conselleria de Bienestar Social, Generalitat Valenciana
> Paseo de la Alameda, 16
> 46010 Valencia, Spain
> Tel: +34 96 386 7811
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Subject: Re: mount hangs - cdrom and floppy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 22 Jul 2000 11:57:29 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On both cdrom and floppy, my mount hangs. I can play audio cd's and format
>
> Hangs?
>
> What command line are you giving?
> Do you get any error messages?
> If so, what are they?
> Have you tried the "-v" flag (verbose mode)?
> Have you tried the "-f" (fake) (along with -v) flag? (this doesn't mount,
~ # mount -v -f -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom/
/dev/hdc on /cdrom type iso9660 (rw)
~ # mount -v -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom/
mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[ End of story .. Now I can't even kill -9 the mount. ps lists it as being in
uninterruptible sleep state (D)]
~ # mount -v -f -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /floppy/
/dev/fd0 on /floppy type ext2 (rw)
~ # mount -v -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /floppy/
[ Same thing, uninterruptible sleep state (D)]
> What sort of disks? (DOSish, ext2)
iso9660, vfat, and ext2.
> What entries are there in /etc/fstab?
My fstab entries are on noauto
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ext2 owner,noauto 0 0
/dev/fd0 /floppy vfat owner,noauto 0 0
/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 0 0
> What type of CDROM (IDE/SCSI)? Supported by what (modules/kernel)?
IDE with no SCSI emulation compiled in.
~ # dmesg | grep hdc
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
hdc: FX001DE, ATAPI CDROM drive
hdc: ATAPI 4X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache
The modules currently loaded are:
vfat 9308 0 (autoclean) (unused)
fat 30976 0 (autoclean) [vfat]
nfs 28920 1 (autoclean)
lockd 31368 0 (autoclean) [nfs]
sunrpc 53316 1 (autoclean) [nfs lockd]
parport_pc 7252 1 (autoclean)
lp 5276 0 (autoclean) (unused)
parport 7380 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
iso9660 support is of loaded, and of course ext2 is as well. I've tried
different compilations of many kernels, including 2.2.2, vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0(RH
compilation), vmlinuz-2.2.5-15(RH comp), 2.2.5.. Same results in all cases.
> You can format (low level - "fdformat")?
> How about high level ("mkfs")? (file systems)
Yes, I can do mkfs as well.
Thanks and any further suggestions are greatly appreciated,
--
Mike
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Luis Domingo =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F3pez?=
Subject: Re: StarOffice =?iso-8859-1?Q?doesn=B4t?= show vfat partition
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:24:26 GMT
Hi Karel Jansens:
>
> Like it says basically: StarOffice 5.1 doesn't recognize my vfat
> partition.
> The /etc/fstab line says: /dev/hda2 /mnt/DOS_hda2 vfat
> user,exec,conv=auto 0 0
>
> StarOffice is the only program that has problems with this. It's not a
> big problem, just a minor nuisance; the vfat partition houses a
> minimalist win95 installation that caters for some games and the file
> transfer software for a parallel port scanner and a digital camera: I
> can simply copy the files needed to my ext2fs partition. It is kinda
> funky though...
>
> I run Mandrake 7 with GNOME.
>
> Someone in this group suggested I should mount with
> mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/DOS_hda2 -o umask=002,uid=0,gid=users
> but that doesn't seem to work.
>
> --
>
> Karel Jansens
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Same problem here. With StarOffice 5.0 I had no problems accesing my FAT and
VFAT partitions, but when installed version 5.1 at entering those kind of
partitions the directory listings were empty. No workaround here yet :-(
Jose Luis Domingo
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From: Edward R Hartung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution for newbie
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:30:09 GMT
Thanks so much for the info. I've already skimmed your website and found
it extremely helpful. Time to start taking bigger "baby" steps. Thanks
again. ERH
Rod Smith wrote:
>
> [Posted and mailed]
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Edward R Hartung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I was wondering which
> > would be the best Linux distribution for someone like myself who is
> > looking to use it both as a WIN98 replacement for my desktop needs and
as
> > a way to really learn about an operating system?
>
> Check my web page comparing various Linux distributions:
>
> http://www.rodsbooks.com/distribs/
>
> --
> Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.rodsbooks.com
> Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,alt.linux,linux.help
Subject: kab2
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:30:35 -0400
Help on this!
I'm trying to install a program call kab2. When i make the ./configure
it seems to work but when I do the make and make install I get those
error message:
- no rule to make target
-install-recursive error 1
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Threads and processes in Linux pique newbie
Date: 22 Jul 2000 18:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 00:42:51 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, I come from a Windows environment...and would like to know more
>about how Linux handle a program execution. I don't believe the way
>threads and processes is defined in Windows is the same in Unix or
>Linux. How about visibility of global variables or methods? Could
>someone give me some pointers, thank you very much.
Execution is handled by a process called "fork and exec." If you're in
a shell and you execute "ls", then the shell first makes a copy of
itself. This is an exact copy, but it's in a different address space
and has a different PID (process ID) so it's a different process. Then
the process with the lower PID (the "parent process") goes to sleep,
while the process with the higher PID (the "child process") is
overwritten in memory with the "ls" program, which executes. When the
ls program finishes, it signals the parent process, saying "I'm
finished." The parent process executes a wait() for the child, and the
kernel reclaims the resources the child was using and removes the child
process from the process table. The parent wakes back up then, unless
the child process was executed in the background (as happens with most
programs you execute by point-and-clicking, shell commands you
execute with & after them, and daemons.) If the child went into the
background, the parent just keeps on doing whatever it was doing.
Whatever environment variables that the parent process had, the child
process has exact copies of, and the child can see them through the
standard C function getenv(). Is this what you meant by "global
variables or methods"? If you had a question about the scoping rules
for C, C++, or Java, then gcc and g++ try to follow the C and C++
standards about when variables/functions are in scope.
There's been a lot of argle-bargle about threads under Linux. The
overhead for creating a new process in Linux is very low (by design) and
processes can share memory and filehandles via IPC and semaphores. (See
any intermediate book on Unix C programming for an explanation.) Some
will say that Linux doesn't have a real thread implementation, but for
most normal user-space code, you don't have to worry about it. Search
Google for "Linux threads" to learn more and see a great deal of
shouting...
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Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin/ That which does not kill us
http://www.brainbench.com / makes us stranger.
============================/ ==Trevor Goodchild
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: kernel problem
Date: 22 Jul 2000 18:59:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:50:44 +0200, Joris Maes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I got the latest kernel version of kernel.org (2.2.16), unpacked it, I
>ran 'make xconfig', but then I encounterd my problem.
> I have a network card with realtek 8139 chip, but I can't choose the
>rtl8139.o module when I run 'make xconfig', it appears in grey. I found out
Hmm. linux-2.2.16/drivers/net/rtl8139.c exists for me, and I got my
kernel from the same source. Bug in xconfig, perhaps? What does "make
menuconfig" give you when you select drivers for Ethernet cards? Or you
could manually edit the Makefile in linux/drivers/net to make sure the
rtl8139 module gets built...
> I also read in a newsgroup somewhere that I could compile my kernel for
>my athlon 500, but the athlon doesn't seem to be specified between the 386's
>and 486's, also here any help is apprecaiated.
An Athlon is pretty much equivalent to a PentiumPro/II/III from the
kernel's point of view. The development series has an option to compile
the kernel specifically for an Athlon, but you will be fine with
choosing "PII".
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Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin/ That which does not kill us
http://www.brainbench.com / makes us stranger.
============================/ ==Trevor Goodchild
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Networking/Ethernet help, can't ping neighbooring PC
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brent Burton)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:06:26 GMT
"Brian Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
| However, when I do a netstat -rn I get the following output (with the
| loopback interface left out):
|
| Dest: 192.168.1.0 GW: 0.0.0.0 Genmask: 255.255.255.0 Flags: U Iface: eth1
|
| I then try to ping 192.168.1.2 (another PC connected to the same hub as the
| Linux box in question) and I get no response. That GW in the routing table
| doesn't look right to me. Shouldn't it be 192.168.1.1? The flags don't
| look good either, shouldn't they have a G in there? It is auto configured
| by the system when I do the ifconfig command, and I can't seem to get rid of
| or change it.
The settings on this are correct. It reports 192.168.1.0 because
that's the network address given the current netmask. The only
time you need the G flag is for your default route - it tells the
networking that default addresses (compared against the 0.0.0.0
destination entry in the routing table) are to be sent out
the gateway.
Make sure both the machines you're trying to ping between have
link lights, and try pinging from both machines. If no link lights,
check for a "swapped" ethernet cable or that one of the machines
isn't plugged into the crossover/X port on your hub.
Is your second ethernet card even seen by the system? Check out
the contents from 'dmesg' and see if it's detected.
cheers,
-bpb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Gateway solo & Linux?
Date: 22 Jul 2000 19:09:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:36:26 -0500, Craig Ewert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have just obtained a Gateway Solo laptop with a Pentium II processor.
>RedHat 6.1 does not install - cannot find drivers for the display.
>Winlinux 2000 also will not run because of the display.
>Does anyone know of a distribution that will work on this system? If
>so, please respond to my e-mail address. If you know of a better group
>to post this question to, that will also be appreciated.
RedHat 6.1 shipped with Xfree86 3.3.5, which is not the latest and
greatest. If the laptop uses a Rage Mobility chipset, then it's not
going to work under 3.3.5. There is support for the Rage Mobility under
3.3.6, and all the most recent versions of the big distros shipped with
3.3.6. SuSE 6.4, Mandrake 7.1, RedHat 6.2, etc. will probably recognize
the card.
A good resource for Linux on laptops is news:comp.os.linux.portable .
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Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin/ That which does not kill us
http://www.brainbench.com / makes us stranger.
============================/ ==Trevor Goodchild
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From: Michael Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux ELF binaries under M$
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:22:37 -0400
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:38:10 +0000, Dmitri V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Well, there are some tools, which allow us to run certain DOS/Windows
>apps under *nixes --- Wine, Wabi, Dosemu, VmWare, VNC, etc. But what
>about the reverce process - say, I compiled a brilliant program on my
>Linux box and am eager to show its recently added features to my
>girlfried, who runs Windows 98 and has no single chance to access any
>*nix machines, neither locally nor remotely (so, VNC does not help).
>
>In other words, what kind of Linux emulators exist on M$ (apart from
>VmWare)?
>
>Dmitri
The only thing that comes to mind in that case, if it's a GUI
application, use a RAD tool to prototype the user interface
for windows. IOW, use some GUI development
tool to make an user interface that looks reasonably like your
app, but has no "engine" behind it. Just a prototype to show
the bells and whistles.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & free ISPs
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:30:12 GMT
mst wrote:
>
> Hi-
>
> I've been using freewwweb for quite a while now - but as of this
> morning, they're officially dead. Bought off by Juno. The announcement
> at http://home.freewwweb.com says that you have to use a juno account
> from now on, however, Juno uses windows-only dialup software a la
> netzero, with an ads bar you're supposed to "interact" with, and they
> specifically mention NOT supporting Linux.
>
> So, I was wondering, what other free ISPs compatible with Linux are
> there? I know Worldspy was also bought by Juno. I'm specifically
> interested in having a local dial-up number in the NYC area. TIA,
>
>
> MST
OK people, free is good, but if you can stand the pain of shelling out
$10/YEAR, check out WorldShare.net Just regular old PPP as far as I can
tell, and at 83 cents per month it is pretty damn close to being free.
Works good here in DC.
HACKWORTH
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From: Geoffrey Steeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I get numbers from /dev/random?
Date: 22 Jul 2000 19:30:37 GMT
I'm trying to pull random numbers into a C program from /dev/random. I've
never accessed a device file before and wondered if anyone out ther could
let me know how to do this. Also, what will the return type be, long int?
Thanks for all the help!
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Geoff Steeves // University of Alberta Physics //
http://www.ualberta.ca/~gsteeves
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From: Michael Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:30:22 -0400
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:36:57 +0100, Kelly and Sandy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In all seriousness, is there anything else I should consider?
>
>
>With kind regards,
>
>
>Sandy
Hi Sandy. Before picking an OS one should decide what applications
the user needs most. It doesn't matter if an OS is easy to use or
faster or bullet proof if the apps you need aren't available for it.
If you are then left with several OSs that can run those apps then
at least you've narrowed the field. Saves time. :)
Good luck. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: How do I get numbers from /dev/random?
Date: 22 Jul 2000 19:47:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 22 Jul 2000 19:30:37 GMT, Geoffrey Steeves
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm trying to pull random numbers into a C program from /dev/random. I've
>never accessed a device file before and wondered if anyone out ther could
>let me know how to do this. Also, what will the return type be, long int?
>Thanks for all the help!
It's a file, therefore why not use fopen()? (You can also use open()
and read() if you so desire.)
int r[10];
FILE *ifp;
ifp=fopen("/dev/random","r");
for(i=0;i<10;i++)
r[i]=getc(ifp);
...will give you ten random numbers in the range 0-255. If you want
bigger numbers, you can combine these in various ways. Multiply r[0] by
256 and add it to r[1] for numbers between 0-65535, etc.
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Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin/ That which does not kill us
http://www.brainbench.com / makes us stranger.
============================/ ==Trevor Goodchild
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From: brucemohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Remove Apache from RedHat?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:03:45 GMT
Devon Harding wrote:
> How do I remove the apache installation from RedHat 6.2's server install. I
> want to install Apache from the source. I've tried 'rpm -e
> apache-1.3.12-2.rpm' but it say's 'package not installed'
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Devon
Another helpful hint is that whenever I want to see what product
and related rpm files are installed, I just (for example, to see what
apache-related files are installed):
rpm -qa | grep apache
The "rpm -qa" lists all installed packages. The grep just filters
for packages with apache in the name.
I do this all the time. I wish I had a better memory (must be using
the old 80ns stuff).
Bruce
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